Chinese tech opens shop in Germany: Can Europe still catch up in cutting-edge technology? | DW News

中国科技企业登陆德国：欧洲在尖端技术领域还能迎头赶上吗？

In the tech industry, Germany was once a role model for China. Today, both are learning from each other – for example, in Thuringia, where the Chinese corporation CATL manufactures battery cells.

在科技行业，德国曾是中国的标杆。如今，两国正相互取经——比如在图林根州，中国企业宁德时代就在当地生产电芯。

以下是各国网友的评论：

anthonyokoth8140
When German automakers were exporting to and dominating the Chinese auto market, no one called it "over capacity". All of a sudden, when the reverse becomes true, then.....

以前德国车企往中国出口汽车，垄断中国市场的时候，没人说这是产能过剩。现在情况反过来了，就开始说三道四了

Peter-j1v5x
Yes 30 years ago , and has not moved forward since .

可不是嘛，三十年前就那样，之后就一直原地踏步。

badtechnology-po6io
Yea haha, same with the semiconductor production technology right? Where europe has a monopoly… everyone has strengths and weaknesses

哈哈可不是嘛，半导体制造技术不也一样？欧洲以前还垄断呢。说到底，谁都有自己的强项和短板。

Diamonddogs1726
@badtechnology-po6io you guys have asml, arguably the most valuable technological asset Europe has, and a few fabs producing chips on wafers that were cutting edge 15 years ago. Still useful for cars but its uses are limited beyond that.

你欧洲有阿斯麦啊，这可是欧洲最拿得出手的科技王牌。可也就几家晶圆厂，还在生产十五年前的尖端芯片。车用还凑合，其他方面基本没什么用了。

badtechnology-po6io
@Diamonddogs1726 The video really only mentions one asset of china aswell tbf... Yes china is leading in battery technology, but western companies are leading in wafer technology. (Europe is lagging behind there, but china around 5-6 years behind as well...) TSMC and Samsung are about to release the 1nm process, while china just released the 5nm node.

说实话，这里也只提了中国的一个优势而已。没错，中国电池技术领先，但西方企业的晶圆技术还是领先的。欧洲这边确实落后，可中国也落后个五六年啊。台积电和三星都要出1纳米工艺了，中国才刚搞出5纳米。

Peter-j1v5x
@badtechnology-po6io Europe or one country ??

你说的是欧洲，还是某一个国家？

badtechnology-po6io
@Peter-j1v5x u know that asml works with over 5000 companies spread all across europe? Furthermore, these machines are a shared effort between asml and Zeiss, which is a german Company, so yea, id say Europe

你不知道吗？阿斯麦和欧洲五千多家企业都有合作。而且这些光刻机，是阿斯麦和德国蔡司联手造的。所以我说，这就是欧洲的实力。

EdL-r9y
The remainder of Europe is becoming a giant Italy. Increasingly obsolete economy reliant on a fading legacy of cultural prestige rather than innovation and technology

欧洲其他国家，都快成一个大号的意大利了。经济模式越来越落伍，不靠创新和科技，就靠日渐衰落的文化底蕴撑着。

mrsoisauce9017
The problem is that the EU is a confederation comprised of 27 different member states each pursuing their own national interests above anyone else. This does not happen in a federation

问题出在欧盟就是个邦联，二十七个成员国，个个都把本国利益放在第一位。联邦制就不会这样。

ashdav9980
@mrsoisauce9017 A European federation will not work without a dic ship to enforce it. The people and cultures are too different and you would inevitably get a few countries dominating and silencing the others, and draining the resources from the others. You can’t convert Europe to something similar to the US, where all states make up a whole.

欧洲想搞联邦制，不靠独才强制推行根本成不了。各国的人和文化差异太大，最后肯定是几个大国说了算，压制小国，榨取小国的资源。欧洲根本变不成美国那样，各州能凝聚成一个整体。

JojoJoget
They pivoted themselves off the US instead of standing on their own. Bad mistake.

他们不学着自己独立，反而跟着美国走，这步棋大错特错。

Diamonddogs1726
You all should have been asking this question 25 years ago, it’s too late now. You’ll never catch up.

这个问题你们二十五年前就该问了，现在晚了，永远都追不上了。

j2klegend
Not entire Europe but Germany and France losing their edge. UK for decades running on old industrial glory.

不是整个欧洲不行，是德法两国在失去优势。英国几十年来，都在吃工业时代的老本。

vav_v
Good thing Europe had been develo all those rare earths in Greenland… oh, wait, whoops

还好欧洲之前想着开发格陵兰的稀土资源，哦对了，这事黄了。

mrsoisauce9017
@vav_v in all fairness, the Greenlandic people have opposed any attempt to harvest resources from Greenland. If they didn’t, Denmark would have been mining boatloads of resources out of the island a long time ago

说实话，格陵兰当地民众一直反对资源开采。要是他们不反对，丹麦早就从岛上挖走海量资源了。

DavidMoses-p9d
So Germany and France invited so many engineers to their country but still losing? LOL

这么说，德法招了那么多工程师过来，还是不行？哈哈。

mrsoisauce9017
@DavidMoses-p9d do you know how hard it is to raise money across the EU? That’s the biggest driver of this technological stagnation the EU finds itself in. When the EU completes the single market, that will no longer be an issue

你知道在欧盟境内融资有多难吗？这就是欧盟科技发展停滞的最大原因。等欧盟统一大市场建成了，这个问题就迎刃而解了。

IK_MK
Wait... Europe was in the tech race?

等等，欧洲什么时候参与过科技竞赛了？

miked5362
The race to the bottom. Sounds like even their news reports are being outsourced to china

怕是在比谁更落后吧。听着，他们连新闻报道，怕是都外包给中国了。

leventelajos5078
Europe started everything

所有的技术，都是欧洲先搞出来的。

JamesFugee
CATL is actually a good company. It innovates, and produces quality products at affordable rates.

宁德时代其实是家好公司，一直在创新，产品质量好，价格还实惠。

BZXRQMVL
i feel like in a few years every single car will be electric

我感觉再过几年，所有的汽车都会是电动车。

DL0868
Europe relies on US for everything ... that's the fundamental issue!

欧洲什么都靠美国，这就是根本问题！

rogermas6087
Need Digital euro, Visa Mastercard controll the Wold

欧洲得推出数字欧元，现在维萨和万事达掌控着整个世界。

ltpm711
That's like me asking if I am too late to a school class while the class already passed...25 years ago.

这就好比上课，人家二十五年前就下课了，你现在才问迟到了没。

fahmad7194
Europe needs to stop thinking like it is an appendix to the USA

欧洲别再把自己当成美国的附属品了。

roym7905
The pendulum has already swung east many decades ago

几十年前，局势就已经开始向东倾斜了。

christopherchen6170
and it aint gonna swing back

而且再也回不去了。

LizTaylor-iu1oj
EU is losing everywhere

欧盟现在干什么都不行。

johnnyHew
Europe doesn't need high tech, they need moral high ground, that's it!

欧洲根本不需要高科技，守着所谓的道德制高点就行了，就这样！

Zolo_LR4
Europe been struggle and busy for/to filling up their fridge foods …. Rather than thinking about cutting edge technology…. You are already into the dusk

欧洲人还在为填饱肚子奔波，哪有心思搞尖端科技。早就日薄西山了。

peterwong4779
German should pay attention to German taxpayers first

德国首先该考虑本国纳税人的利益。

linkdiablo4476
Between research only and go until to production line is defferent thing. There is more invention but only few go to mass production.

光搞研究，和把研究成果落地到生产线，完全是两码事。现在发明不少，能大规模量产的没几个。

KiddingMartin
we are still learning how to use chopsticks; we can't finish our noddles - how are we going to be ready for the tech race?!

我们连筷子都还没学会怎么用，面都吃不完，还谈什么科技竞赛？

adammmmmWWW
In my sector, in the US if you worked over seas it used to always be somewhere in europe. Now it’s mostly china I know a lot of smart people who work in china and get payed good for the cost of living and they can save. it seems they are wng the race for talent too

我所在的行业，以前美国人出国工作，基本都去欧洲。现在大多都去中国了。我认识很多聪明人都在中国工作，当地生活成本低，工资还高，能存下不少钱。看来中国在人才竞争中，也赢了。

davecai999
Germany auto industry heavyweights such as VW, BWM and Daimler could reap tremendous benefits from the cooperation with Chinese players such as CATL and remain leading players in electric auto world. Now that's a win-win for Germany.

大众、宝马、戴姆勒这些德国汽车巨头，和宁德时代等中国企业合作，能获得巨大利益，还能保住自己在电动汽车领域的领先地位。这对德国来说，才是真正的双赢。

wrightvcx2249
Once you live in Europe, you realize it is a left, co unist, pseudo liberal state. It is a highly regulated controlled state. That is the major reason for its failure. No matter what people say about the US, but it is the only free and capitalist country remaining in the world.

在欧洲生活过就知道，这里就是个左翼、伪自由的地方，管控特别严格。这就是欧洲发展失败的主要原因。不管别人怎么说美国，它都是世界上仅剩的自由资 本主义国家。

tykki
East Asia manufactured over 89.5% of the world's batteries?

全球百分之八十九点五的电池，都是东亚制造的？

ReuterL
Market competition theory is fun as long as you are the winner of the competition. if you are the loser, you will start to not like the competition

只要你是赢家，市场竞争理论就听着顺耳。要是输了，就开始反感竞争了。

gabrielperezmurillo3583
Was Europe even on the race for high tech ?

欧洲真的参与过高科技竞赛吗？

imakn
so europeans are telling us that chinese with their 5000 years of history don't know long term planning

合着欧洲人是想说，有着五千年历史的中国人，不懂做长远规划？

jlindsa
In fairness, China is playing chess while most of Europe is playing America's game. Instead of making counter products to American products, European people are just buying whatever America has to offer. Build locally, buy locally and that's especially important for online services. China may be making knockoff american products but they are also reducing their dependency on american products & services in the process. Where is Europe's Alibaba to the USA's Amazon?

说实话，中国是在下一盘大棋，而欧洲大部分国家，都在跟着美国的节奏走。美国出什么，欧洲就买什么，也不想着搞点替代产品。本土制造、本土采购，这点对互联网服务尤其重要。中国就算仿美国的产品，也在这个过程中，降低了对美国产品和服务的依赖。美国有亚马逊，欧洲的阿里巴巴在哪？

mengreat6982
It's too late, far too late now to catch up with China tech superpower, forget it, EU can't even name who's the culprit in northern gas pipeline explosion..... Shameful

太晚了，想追上中国这个科技超级大国，早就来不及了。别想了，欧盟连北溪天然气管道爆炸的真凶都不敢指认，真丢人。

Nahnowy
LOL. Meanwhile in reality; Europe still produces the majority of scientific output, has cutting edge tech in industrial automation, robotics and semiconductor equipment manufacturing. The entire aerospace sector is completly dominated by Airbus and SAP is litteraly the foundation for every large manufacturing company in the world. Keep building opinions on headlines loser. Shameful

哈哈，现实里欧洲的科研成果还是占全球大多数，工业自动化、机器人、半导体设备制造，这些领域的尖端技术都还在欧洲手里。航空航天领域完全是空客的天下，全球各大制造企业，基本都靠思爱普的系统支撑。就只会看个标题就发表观点，真可悲，丢人现眼。

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