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婆罗门的统治地位在今天的印度仍然存在吗

Is Brahmin dominance still true today in India?

婆罗门的统治地位在今天的印度仍然存在吗?

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Joseph Taylor

The notion of Brahmin dominance in India is a complex and nuanced topic that varies across regions, communities, and social contexts. Brahmins, historically positioned as the priestly and intellectual class within the Hindu caste system, have wielded significant influence in certain spheres of Indian society, particularly in religious and cultural domains.

However, it's important to recognize that India has undergone significant social, political, and economic changes over the years, including efforts to address caste-based discrimination and promote social equality. Government policies and affirmative action measures, such as reservations in education and employment for historically marginalized groups, have aimed to mitigate the effects of caste-based disparities.

婆罗门在印度的统治地位是一个复杂而微妙的话题,因不同地区、社区和社会背景而异。婆罗门在历史上是印度教种姓制度中的祭司和知识分子阶级,在印度社会的某些领域,特别是在宗教和文化领域,有着举足轻重的影响力。

但我们也要看到,多年来印度经历了重大的社会、政治和经济变革,包括解决基于种姓的歧视、促进社会平等的努力。印度政府的政策和平权行动措施,例如在教育和就业方面为历史上处于边缘地位的弱势群体预留名额,减轻基于种姓的不平等现象。

While Brahmins may still hold influence in certain sectors, particularly in religious institutions and traditional occupations, their dominance is not uniersal or unchallenged. India's social landscape is diverse and dynamic, with individuals from various castes and backgrounds participating in different aspects of public life.

Moreover, discussions about caste and its implications are ongoing in Indian society, with movements advocating for social justice, equality, and the empowerment of marginalized communities. Therefore, while Brahmin influence may persist in some contexts, it is not accurate to characterize it as a universal or unchanging aspect of contemporary Indian society.

虽然婆罗门在某些领域,尤其是在宗教机构和传统职业中仍具有一定的影响力,但他们的统治地位已经不复往昔了。印度的社会形势十分多样、不断变化,出身不同种姓和背景的个人都积极参与公共生活的各个方面。

此外,印度社会也一直开展种姓及其影响的讨论,发起倡导社会正义、平等、赋予边缘群体权力的运动。所以,虽然在某些情况下婆罗门的影响可能持续存在,但已经不再是当代印度社会的普遍或不变的特色了。

 

 

 

RKS

No. Power lies with all people in a de ocracy. If you take any specific upper caste, they are in minority.

Neither there is any concrete evidence that it was it true in past because powerful Kings came from different castes.

不。在皿煮国家,权力属于全体人民。如果你拿某个特定的高种姓来说事,他们只是少数群体。

也没有任何具体的证据可以证明这曾经是事实,因为有很多国王就来自不同的种姓出身。

 

 

 

Sharad Pant

There is no dominance of Brahmin. In opposite I observed that the people of SC, ST community are getting higher position on the basis of reservation and then they are torchering the open community people to take revange because they have mindset that their ancestors were exploited and torched by open community people.

婆罗门并没有占据统治地位。相反,我观察到表内种姓, 表内部落的民众基于预留制获得了更高的地位,然后他们对开放社区的民众进行报复。因为他们有一种心态,认为他们的祖辈受到了开放社区民众的剥削和压迫。

 

 

 

A Singh

The current BJP and Congress of 80s are Brahmin dominated. As long as they are in power hatred across communities will exst.

目前的人民党和80年代的国大党是以婆罗门为主的。只要他们掌权,社区之间的仇恨就会一直存在。

 

 

 

Upadhyay Rathi Raj

Brahmins by definition, aren't the rulers but essentially, teachers, guides, scientists, advisors, philosophers, etc. Anyone, who has attained these wisdoms and qualifications, becomes a Brahmin.

However, people wrongly assume that castes are automatic and by birth.

The wise and knowledgeable persons always dominate others so that they too are guided on correct paths of life.

If someone assumes himself a Brahmin or Kshatriya or Vaisya or Shudra, is absolutely wrong.

根据定义,婆罗门并不是统治者,而是老师、导师、科学家、顾问、哲学家等角色。任何人,就只要拥有这些智慧和资格,就可以成为婆罗门。

但人们错误地认为种姓是天生的。

有智慧、有知识的人总是要管理别人,让他们能接受引导,走上正确的人生道路。

如果有人自称是婆罗门、刹帝利、毗湿奴或首陀罗,那是绝对错误的。

 

 

 

Rohit

Yes Brahmins are very dominant in every sphere. Exactly I have seen this with my own eyes. In my team, there were 3 guys alongwith 2 bosses (Both Brahmins). I had the best profile (from reserved quota). But still I am given low level work and the other Brahmin guys are given all the best and plum works. As a result, my annual appraisals are suffering and I get low grades. If I say anything, I am being scolded like anything. And my Brahmin colleagues are treated so well like pigs. Naturally, I am going into depression and suffering mentally.

Brahmins are a curse to our society.

是的,婆罗门在每个领域都占据统治地位。没错,这是我亲眼所见的。我的团队中有3个员工和2个老板(都是婆罗门)。我的能力是最优秀的,但我仍然得干低级的工作,而其他婆罗门人就能得到最好的工作。我的年度评估因此也很糟糕,得分很低。不管我说什么,都会被责骂,而我的婆罗门同事却被人捧上天。我因此陷入了抑郁和精神上的痛苦。

婆罗门就是印度社会的诅咒。

 

 

 

Shakthi K Velu

Disclaimer : I am not For or Against any religion or caste or group. I am writing this as an Indian who has suffered discrimination and pain over generations because of those. You may please correct me if I am wrong with true facts , else ignore and pass by. Thanks.

The answer is YES. Of course.

May not be now. But they were doing nothing other than proving that they were god’s agent and they want them to be placed in a very important position in the society. ( Does it mean dominance? )

免责声明:我不支持也不反对任何宗教、种姓或群体。我写这篇文章,单纯是因为我是印度人,印度人世代都在遭受歧视和痛苦。如果我说错了什么,请不吝指教,否则请忽略并跳过。谢谢。

答案是肯定的。当然存在。

也许不是现在。但他们过去一直在做的事就是证明自己是上帝的代表,他们希望自己在社会中具有非常重要的地位。(这是不是就意味着统治地位?)

In India the community was grouped as per the works they did and there was no High or Low to start with. Only because of these kind of people who said “Iam the Toppest” as they stand next to God’s (statue) , others started saying “I am second, third , fourth and so on. This has resulted in the complete shit of cast discrimination.

在印度,各个社区根据所从事工作的不同进行分组,并没有高低之分。就是因为这些人站在上帝(雕像)旁边,自称“我的地位最高”,其他人也开始争先恐后排出了第二,第三,第四等等,这才导致了基于种姓出身的社会歧视。

There are many professions which are inter-dependant and essential for on human exstence/living. The one and only profession that can be an exception is that what was done by those group. This would allow a common man to connect with the GOD directly. Why we need an agent in between? To retain the position GOD was used. We cant live without a tailor , barber, teacher, musician or name any profession. Can’t we live without a Pandit or a Purohit who does poojas on our behalf for money? Why are we not educated with those so called Mantras which are so essential for human kind? Why was it retained by only one set of people?

许多职业相互依存,都是人类生活中不可缺少的。而唯一可以或缺的职业就是那些婆罗门所做的事情。没有婆罗门,普通人才可以直接与上帝联系。为什么我们需要中间人呢?他们为了保持自己的地位,利用了上帝。我们离不开裁缝、理发师、教师、音乐家或其他职业。难道我们离了梵学家或普罗希特就没法活了吗?为什么没人传授我们那些对人类而言必不可缺的祷文?为什么只有那一小撮人能接触祷文?

Instead. They should had allowed others to learn , teach and there by community would develop as a whole. It took 100 yrs to understand this and now you may see the result by yourself. Everyone has the right to study and go ahead.

Our India is very very diverse with culture and living. But still, every corner those discrimination still exsts.

他们应该允许其他人学习、教学,这样社区才能发展成一个整体。人们花了100年才明白这一点,现在你自己就看得到结果了。每个人都有学习和进步的权利。

我们印度的文化和生活非常丰富多样。但是,这些歧视仍然存在于社会的每个角落。

One simple question. Why is such a hatred on Brahmins? Why are they questioned and cornered. There should be a reason right? Unless they sow they cannot reap. It is as simple as that.

Nevertheless. Everything is changing very fast. I have couple of friends from that section, who suffer such hatreds for no mistake of them. I wish all of us grow together embracing all human, kee caste and creeds away.

Jai Hind

有一个简单的问题。为什么人们对婆罗门如此仇恨?为什么他们遭人质疑,被逼入绝境。应该是有原因的,对吧?有果必有因,事情就是这么简单。

但世间万物都在快速变化。我有几个朋友就来自那个群体,他们平白无故遭受了这样的仇恨。我希望我们所有人都共同成长,拥抱所有人,远离种姓和信仰。

印度必胜!

 

 

 

Raja Nath

No Brahmin dominance in India after the rising of OBC post Mandal Committee recommendations. The only dominant social group is OBC in India. Since they are the majority community in India. Dominant OBC groups do not care about Brahmins. Hinduism custodianship has passed from Brahmins to other castes mainly the OBC who are in the fore front for safeguarding Hindu interests and they have become the dominant social group.

在曼达尔委员会提出建议后,印度的婆罗门不再占据统治地位了。目前唯一占据统治地位的社会群体是印度的落后阶层。因为他们才是印度的主流群体。落后阶层不关心婆罗门。印度教的监护权已经从婆罗门转移到其他种姓,主要是落后阶层手中,他们站到了维护印度教利益的最前线,已经成为占据统治地位的社会群体。

 

 

 

Andy Joe

Actual hierarchy is Kshathriya, Braahmin, Vysya, Sudra / Soo-dr;

History shows when people of higher class oppress lower class, rebellion takes place; same thing happened within Hindus; Kings or rulers became greedy, obsessed with worldly pleasures, etc;

Braahmin dominance is true, but not in all walks of life! Braahmins have genetically higher intelligence, due to their practice of daily rituals, reciting of mantras, etc;

If a non-braahmin practices such systems, in 2–3 generations later, NextGen kids will be smarter than rest!

真实的等级体系应该是刹帝利,婆罗门,吠舍,首陀罗。

历史表明,当上层阶级压迫下层阶级时,就会发生叛乱;印度教徒内部也发生了同样的事;国王或统治者变得贪婪,沉迷于世俗的享乐。

婆罗门的统治地位是不假,但并非在各行各业都是如此!婆罗门有更高的智力基因,这是因为他们日复一日地实践日常仪式,背诵咒语等。

如果其他种姓也这么做,那么在2-3代之后,他们的后代也会比其他人聪明的!

 

 

 

V.S. Ram

According to me, a gentleman or gentlewoman who is capable of asking questions on Quora, is highly educated and very well informed. He/she will be reading news items on both print media and electronic media and kee him/herself abreast of the goings on in India. It is tangible and palpable that who is dominating whom, who, despite having high cerebral prowess, is placed on the backburner and who, despite being average is placed on high pedestal in India. He/she is also aware of the ill-effects of such open discrimination. There is a saying - there is no need of a mirror to see the wound on one’s palm. But people still ask questions and people like me, in order to remove the mental cobwebs occupying some minds, waste our precious time..

在我看来,一个有能力在Quora上提问的先生或女士,肯定受过高等教育,见多识广。他/她可以阅读纸质媒体和电子媒体上的新闻,了解印度的最新动态。在印度,谁在统治谁是显而易见的,谁空有聪明才智却被无法施展,而谁尽管资质平平却被捧得很高。他/她也意识到这种公开歧视的不良影响。有句话说得好—手掌上的伤口无需镜子也能看到。但人们还是会问问题,而我这样的人,为了清除某些人脑中的混乱思维,浪费了自己宝贵的时间…

 

 

 

 

Ashwin R

I don’t see their dominance.

They are mostly discriminated in the name of Brahmin.

They are good people. Even one of close friend is Brahmin, we have no problem.

Its a political thing to say about hindus and castes

我没看出他们的优势。

他们大多都因为婆罗门的身份而受到歧视。

他们都是好人。就算我有一个婆罗门密友,我也觉得OK。

这是有关印度教徒和种姓的政治话题。

 

 

 

Anil Bajpai

Not at all!!!! The times when Brahmins used to teach and lead all the castes are gone. Consider this:

I have seen Brahmins working as a barber in barber shops.

I know Brahmins working as security guards.

Brahmins are driving autos.

Brahmins are working as labours in construction sites.

Brahmins are working as a sweeper in municipality offices.

Brahmins are working as a worker in leather factories.

Brahmins are selling Bhel puri at road side thelas.

Only in rural areas of our country, still you can see Brahmins trying to be superior. In cities everything has changed. Today an educated and rich person don't need a surname. I have seen 10’s of my friends who are from lower castes, running factories and offices and giving jobs to several Brahmins.

Times are changing.

完全没有了!!!婆罗门教导和领导所有种姓的时代已经一去不复返了。想想看:

我见过婆罗门在理发店当理发师。

我认识婆罗门在当保安。

婆罗门在开汽车。

婆罗门在建筑工地做苦力。

婆罗门在市政办公室做清洁工。

婆罗门在皮革工厂当工人。

婆罗门在路边卖普里饼。

只有在印度的农村地区,还能看到婆罗门试图维持自己的优越感。但在城市里,一切都变了。如今,受过良好教育的富人不需要姓氏。我有10多个低种姓朋友在经营工厂和办公室,给几个婆罗门提供工作岗位。

时过境迁啦。

 

 

 

Nsvd Murali Prasad

I think it is there from ancient times till today. Nobody cares brahmins from ancient times till today. It is only on paper.

我觉得,从古至今都是如此。从来都没有人关心婆罗门,一切都只是纸上说说而已。

 

 

 

Shrishti Rathi

No! The majority is being discriminated and supressed at any way the so called helpless minorities can!

不!大多数人受到各种歧视和压迫,而所谓的弱势少数群体反倒能作威作福!

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