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如果说俄罗斯的经济规模仅约等于德克萨斯州,为什么北约需要不断扩张来制衡俄罗斯?

If Russia’s economy is roughly the size of Texas, why does it take an ever expanding NATO membership to defend ag inst Russia?

如果说俄罗斯的经济规模仅约等于德克萨斯州,为什么北约需要不断扩张来制衡俄罗斯?

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Blake Bennett

Lives in Tennessee (2011–present)Author has 1.2K answers and 2.9M answer viewsFri

Perhaps because Russia keeps invading neighboring countries? Just a thought.

NATO isn’t expanding because Russia can beat them. They’re expanding because countries need their help. They’re expanding BECAUSE they’re such an overwhelming force for the bully.

What’s mind blowing is that NATO was 10 years from self destructing for lack of purpose. Members were at each other’s throats over decimals of percents, and cutting budgets on the assumption that no one would ever need a military again. Good job Russia.

可能因为俄罗斯不断入侵邻国?不过这只是我个人的想法。

北约扩 张不是因为怕被俄罗斯打败。他们扩 张是因为很多国家需要他们的帮助。他们扩 张是因为他们的实力对于对手而言是个灭霸的存在。

但让人意外的是,北约10年前开始自毁前程。成员国们为了鸡毛蒜皮的事吵得不可开交,认为如今已没有国家需要军队了,削减了预算。俄罗斯好样的。

 

 

 

Dan O Brien

Former Retired Scientist / Chartered EngineerAuthor has 24.9K answers and 6.1M answer viewsSun

Firstly when NATO was formed Russia or more correctly USSR was much much bigger and comparable to the entire capacity of the USA and Western Europe. With the col pse of the USSR, NATO did disarm to a large degree. However the Western Central Europe countries released from the Iron curtain, wanted the security of NATO. They feared a Russian resurgence. Regrettably they were correct.

首先,北约成立之初,俄罗斯——或者说得更准确些——苏联,要强大得多得多,美国和西欧加在一起都不在怕的。随着苏 联的,北约也大规模裁减军备。但西欧、中欧国家从铁幕中解放出来后,向北约寻求安全感。他们担心俄罗斯再次复苏。很遗憾,他们是对的。

 

 

Roxolan Tonix

Russia / US expertAuthor has 1.3K answers and 2.1M answer viewsSun

NATO does not need to expand to defend its esting members, it expands because it allows more members who want to get under the umbrella of NATO prection. Ifanything, expansion is more a liability to the rest of the alliance, but offering the umbrella to vulnerable countries is the whole point why it was created.

北约不需要为了保护现有成员国而扩 张,北约扩 张是因为它允许更多成员国进到北约的保护伞下。如果说有什么不同的话,那就是扩 张对北约其他成员国来说更像是一种责任,但为脆弱国家提供保护正是北约成立的全部意义所在。

 

 

Albert Beck

Former Infantry Officer, U.S. Army at (1963–1992)Author has 2.8K answers and 121.6K answer viewsSep 16

Russia’s economy isn’t attacking Ukraine— Russian armed forces are. That is a nation of about 145 million assaulting a nation of perhaps 25 million, about 10 million males who stayed home to defend. And with very little arms and equipment/ ammo/ supplies when the attack came back in February.

攻击乌克兰的不是俄罗斯的经济,而是俄罗斯的武装力量。一个有着1.45亿人口的大国,攻打一个人口仅为2500万(其中1000万男丁宅在家中)的小国。二月份袭击再次发动时,乌克兰的武器和设备、弹药补给少得可怜。

 

 

Jai Sulrei

lives in Texas (2002-present)Author has 13.3K answers and 30.1M answer viewsUpdated Sep 22

Because Russia keeps behaving in a manner that, by outcome, hurts its own security.

Before Russia invaded Ukraine-

Sweden and Finland were neutral.

The Baltic republics were isolated with their backs to the Baltic and a long frontier with Russia. NATO had a small battalion sized force there to act as a trip wire should Russia invade.

There was no hope Ukraine was going to be admitted to NATO anytime soon. At most everyone believed, including myself, that Ukraine would fall in a couple of days if Russia attacked.

Russia’s military was vastly overestimated in its effectiveness.

Germany and a number of NATO nations were NOT living up to NATO treaty commitments to spend 2% of their GNP on their own military. (I listed 5% originally, thank you Mr. Wilms)

因为俄罗斯行事总是损敌一千自损八百。

在俄罗斯出兵乌克兰之前-

瑞典和芬兰保持中立。

波罗的海诸国背对波罗的海,与俄罗斯共享漫长的边境线,因此孤立无援。北约在那里驻扎了一个小规模营的部队,在俄罗斯进攻时可以稍微牵制一下。

短时间内乌克兰不太可能被北约接纳。大多数人(包括我自己)都认为,如果俄罗斯发动进攻,乌克兰几天内就会沦陷。

俄罗斯军队的战斗力被大大高估了。

德国和一些北约国家并没有履行北约条约的承诺,将国民生产总值2%用作本国军费。

Just SINCE the invasion-

Sweden and Finland are in the process of joining NATO. Suddenly the Baltics ARE defensible from Russian attack. The Fins can bottle up the Russian fleet and Sweden is one large aircraft carrier parked just over the horizon.

Germany has decided to increase and modernize its military just since the invasion.

Ukraine now may indeed end up joining NATO. Instead of the Baltics being isolated its Belarus that is now surrounded on three sides by anti Russia nations.

自从出兵以来-

瑞典和芬兰正加入北约。突然之间,波罗的海诸国有能力抵御俄国的攻击了。芬兰可以封锁俄罗斯舰队,而瑞典有了一艘大型航空母舰。

自从俄罗斯出兵以来,德国就决定升级军事力量,展开现代化进程。

乌克兰现在可能真的会加入北约。波罗的海诸国并没有被孤立,反倒是白俄罗斯已经被反俄国家三面包围了。

 

This would NOT have happened if Russia had not decided to invade Ukraine.

It gets worse for Russia.

If Russia is defeated, that encourages Belarusians to rise up ag inst Presi nt Alexander Lukashenko?

The single biggest enemy of Russia IS Russia.

如果俄罗斯没有决定出兵乌克兰,这一切都不会发生。

对俄罗斯来说,局势变得越来越糟。

如果俄罗斯输了,白俄罗斯人会不会顺势开始反对总统亚历山大•卢卡申科?

俄罗斯最大的敌人就是俄罗斯自己。

 

 

Ian Tully

MA in History & Po itical Science, University of Dundee (Graduated 1975)Author has 715 answers and 83.6K answer viewsSep 16

Despite the number of personal firearms in Texas it it is not organized for war in the same way as Russia which has put the Military at the top of it's priorities since recovering from the post-Co unist recession. The expanding NATO membership is simply a case of all Russia's neighbours wanting the prection membership gives. Anyone outside has no guarantees that NATO will aid them. You'll ne that although NATO has armed Ukraine and trained their recruits it has not committed any of it's Military to Ukraine's defence. Indeed it has been careful not to provide the Ukrainians with armor that would turn a defensive war into a counter aggressive one.

Finland and Sweden have got the message and now want in.

尽管德州有大量私人枪支,但并不像俄罗斯那样是为了战争组织起来的。俄罗斯从后经济衰退中恢复元气后,就把军队放在了首要地位。

北约的不断扩 张,归根到底不过是因为俄罗斯的所有邻国都希望得到北约的保护。

其他国家都没办法保证北约会伸出援手。虽然北约向乌克兰提供了武装,训练了新兵,但北约没有出兵保护乌克兰。事实上,北约一直小心谨慎,未向乌克兰提供过能够把防御战变成反攻战的装甲装备。

芬兰和瑞典想通了这一点,现在也想加入北约了。

 

 

William Meinert

Studied History & Military Science at University of GeorgiaAuthor has 5.4K answers and 1.7M answer viewsSep 17

Expanding NATO membership is not about needing more support to defeat Russia. It’s about giving countries that have much smaller resources than Russia the ability to deter Russia from attacking them.

北约成员国数量的增加,并不意味着北约需要更多的助力来击败俄罗斯。而是让那些资源比俄罗斯少得多的国家可以有能力抵御俄罗斯对它们的攻击。

 

 

Peter Ned

Author has 4.8K answers and 1.4M answer viewsSep 16

Because Russia is a loony state and may attack any nearby country without reason, as recently happened with Ukraine. Some of the nearby countries are not NATO members, now they are becoming ones to prect themselves.

NATO does not need more members to defeat Russia, we can see that Ukraine alone can do that. But the smaller countries want to join NATO to be sure Russia will not attack them.

俄罗斯会毫无缘由地攻打邻国,最近乌克兰就是个活生生的例子。俄罗斯有些邻国现在还不是北约成员国,但为了保护自己的国家已经在努力加入了。

北约并不需要更多的成员国来击败俄罗斯,乌克兰就可以独立做到。但有些小国希望加入北约,来躲避俄罗斯的进攻。

 

 

Evan Gilbert

Author has 115 answers and 8.8K answer viewsSep 16

It's not “ever expanding".

If your neighbor is a crackhead known for breaking into houses, and you buy a security sy em or join a neighborhood watch, it's not “ever-expanding” arms race.

Especially if that crackhead neighbor (Russia) starts whining that they're being unfairly targeted.

If they weren't breaking into places, there wouldn't be a reason to buy into some security.

Secondly, just having a small economy doesn't mean they can't kill; look at wars in Africa, or south Asia, (or Ukraine) and ask if the size of the economy is changing the nature of the violence.

It's completely unrelated, and having a lot of money does not form a shield or prect. Never worked for Byzantium or Rome.

北约并没有“不断扩 张”。

如果你的邻居是个以擅闯民宅著称的瘾君子,你被迫购买安保系统或加入邻里监督组织,这算不上“不断扩大的”军备竞赛。

尤其是在那个邻居开始抱怨他们受到了不公平对待的情况下。

如果他们没有先登门入户,别人就没有理由购买安保产品。

其次,经济规模小并不等于不会杀戮;看看非洲、南亚(或乌克兰)的战争,看看经济规模是不是会改变的本质。

这是完全无关的两回事,财富无法成为盾牌或保护。拜占庭或罗马都没有成功过。

 

 

Chris Record

Former CEO, CFO, General Counsel, InvestorAuthor has 2.9K answers and 746.8K answer viewsUpdated Sep 19

Russia has a population of around 150 million while Texas has a population that has recently grown to 30 million. Russia finds itself hemmed in and having difficulty providing the standard of living that its populace has been promised but denied. In order to meet the expectations of its people, Putin and Russia seek lebensraum, “living room”. This policy has caused war time after time with the Nazis’ and Hitler delcaring their need for more and more land. Putin’s intentions have been proven to be the same. Dangerous.

俄罗斯有1.5亿人口,而德克萨斯州的人口最近才增长到3000万。

俄罗斯发现自己被包围了,难以向民众提供承诺过却未能实现的生活水平。

为了满足民众的期望,普京和俄罗斯想要寻找空间。

这一政策导致了一次次的战争,

就像纳粹那样大言不惭地宣告他们需要越来越多的土地。

事实证明,普京也是这么打算的。实在危险。

 

 

Carlos Eŭ Th

Observing lifeAuthor has 4K answers and 3M answer viewsSep 20

NATO does not need Latvia, or Finland, or Ukraine, or Georgia, to defend ag inst Russia.

But Latvia, Finland, Ukraine, or Georgia each need NATO to better defend themselves from pential Russian aggression.

It is not NATO than needs (wants) to expand. It is the different smaller countries that need (want) to associate.

北约不需要拉脱维亚、芬兰、乌克兰或格鲁吉亚的力量来抵御俄罗斯。

但拉脱维亚、芬兰、乌克兰或格鲁吉亚都需要北约来更好地保护自己,让自己免受俄罗斯的潜在威胁。

不是北约想要扩张,而是一批小国家需要(想要)报团取暖。

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