Around 100 Sukhoi Su-57 for the Indian Air Force? | हिंदी में
印度空军或将列装约100架苏57 战机
तो एक न्यूज़ द प्रिंट की साइट से निकल कर सामने आ रही है जहां पर यह इंडिकेशन मिल रहे हैं कि इंडियन एयरफोर्स द्वारा हो सकता है पांच से सात स्क्वाडन एसयू 57 फाइटर के ले लिए जाए। खैर अभी इनिशियल डिस्कशन ही यहां पर चल रहा है। पर पॉसिबिलिटी को देखा जा रहा है जिसके अंतर्गत दो स्क्वाडन एसयू 57 के ऑफ द शेल्फ रशिया से ले लिए जाए और बाकी तीन से पांच स्क्वाडन जो है यह इंडिया में ही मैन्युफैक्चर किए जाए उसी फैसिलिटी से जहां से 2330 एमकेआई मैन्युफैक्चर किए जाते हैं।
तो इंडिया के पास 2330 एमकेआई को लेकर पूरा इकोसिस्टम है और रशिया से एक टीम भी आ रही है जो कि यहां पर इवैल्यूएशन करेगी कि यह पॉसिबल है या नहीं। तो इस इवैल्यूएशन के बाद यह डिसाइड किया जाएगा कि इन प्लेटफॉर्म्स को इंडिया में बनाया जाना है या नहीं। बाकी अब यहां पर मैन्युफैक्चरिंग जो होगी उसमें क्या लेवल होगा, क्या परसेंटेज ऑफ इंडिजनाइजेशन होगा यह सब अभी देखना बाकी है।
据印度《印刷报》报道,印度空军有可能会采购 5 至 7 个中队的苏57 战斗机。不过目前双方仅处于初步讨论阶段,相关方面正在探讨一种潜在方案:先从俄罗斯直接采购 2 个中队的 “现货” 苏57,剩余 3 至 5 个中队的苏57 则在印度本土生产,生产场地将沿用目前制造苏 - 30MKI 战斗机的工厂。
印度目前已拥有一套完整的苏30MKI 生产生态体系,俄罗斯也将派遣一支团队赴印,对 “在印度本土生产苏57” 的可行性进行评估。此次评估完成后,才会最终决定是否要在印度本土制造该机型。至于后续本土生产苏 - 57 会达到怎样的技术水平、国产化率能实现多少,这些问题目前仍有待进一步观察确定。
以下是各国网友的评论:
tonystarc9567
100 problems 1 solution: Increase defence budget to over 100 Billion USD
哪怕再多问题,一个办法就能解决,即把国防预算提高到1000亿美元以上。
sagardahiya6138
Lagata h agle saal s hi 100Billion dollar budget hone wale hai. Ladli behna yojanao ka budget kata jana chaiye
看样子从明年起,国防预算就要达到1000亿美元了。应该削减“亲爱的姐妹”这类福利计划的预算
adityakkhullar
Finally some senseful acquisitions
总算有了些合理的装备采购计划。
vbalyan4353
5 Squadron Su57 , 8 Squadron Rafale , 16 Squadron Su-30 , 12 Squadron Tejas Mk1 , 12 Squadron Tejas Mk2
5个中队的苏-57、8个中队的“阵风”、16个中队的苏-30、12个中队的“光辉”Mk1、12个中队的“光辉”Mk2。
Mayank_and_Devansh_jadav
I don’t think we need to make any assumptions. They are just considering it. I’m sure the government is not foolish enough to sign such deals without concerns. I’m confident they will limit imports to specific numbers to ensure a better future for indigenous programs.
我觉得没必要做猜测,只是在考虑而已。政府肯定不会没考虑清楚就签这种大单,这点我信得过。他们一定会把进口数量控制在特定范围,好给本土装备项目留足发展空间。
S.L.0311
Diwali cam early for IAF, indo-russian defence cooperation holds tremendous potential despite any pressure tactics from doland duck
印度空军的“排灯节”提前来了。就算美国施压,印俄国防合作依然潜力巨大。
Khivrajsinghtanwar310
Su 57 with full tot no matter what is number. Atleast 100 best deal ever. World is working on 6th and we are working on 5th gen so it will reduce pressure on indian projects and it will complete all requirements
不管买多少架,苏-57必须附带完整的技术转让。至少买100架,这绝对是最划算的交易。现在全世界都在搞第六代战机,我们还在攻关第五代,买苏-57能减轻印度本土项目的压力,还能满足所有需求。
ankitmehta3113
This will make more sense. I am not a defence expert but I am saying again and again. China operates around 300 j-20 now and no. Are increasing day by day & As we all knows we have a threat of 3 fronts which may increases in future. Minimum no. Should be 100-140 of Su-57 Armed with R37/ Gandiva/ Astra series/ Brahmos/ zhircon/ Kinzhal and other weapons. And AMCA will not available till 2040.
这么做才更合理。我不是国防专家,不过中国现在已经有大约300架歼-20了,数量还在一天天增加。而且众所周知,我们面临“三线威胁”,未来威胁还可能加剧。所以苏-57至少得买100到140架,还要配备R-37远程导弹、“甘迪瓦”导弹、“阿斯特拉”系列导弹、“布拉莫斯”导弹、“锆石”导弹、“匕首”导弹以及其他武器。毕竟印度国产的先进中型战斗机到2040年前都没法列装。
NATTYAL899
Remember this is speculation but not confirmed news, still time to wait
要记住,这只是猜测,不是已确认的消息,还得再等等。
MRBasu-rg9nw
Atleast we will have 10 years more time ...but e 100 hi thik he usse jada nhi
至少我们还有10年时间,不过买100架就够了,多了不要
krisbrao
We shouldn’t have two tongues. Assess the threat, analyse the resource availability, decide on the path.
我们不能言行不一。先评估威胁,再分析现有资源,最后确定该走哪条路。
nujitganguly2029
Ever wonder, why we face delays in decision making ? I think that is THE MOST important question to get answer of
有没有想过,我们决策为什么总是拖拖拉拉?我觉得这才是最该搞清楚的问题。
technitium7
Given the current track record of MK2 and AMCA, there's no way IAF will have inducted decent (or any) numbers of MK2 before 2035 and AMCA before 2040. That's sufficiently far away that we don't need to reserve capex for those right now. The only way to get any reasonable timelines out of ADA/HAL would be to put them under air force and subject the scientists there to the up or out career trajectory of IAF where results matter and not talking big. I had done an internship at one of the aerospace labs during my college days and people there spend more time on lunch breaks and chai-gupshup than they actually spend on work.
看“光辉”Mk2和先进中型战斗机现在的进展,印度空军2035年前不可能列装足够数量(甚至可能一架都列装不了)的“光辉”Mk2,AMCA更是2040年前都没戏。既然还早得很,现在没必要为这两个项目预留资本。要让印度航空发展局和印度斯坦航空有限公司给出合理的时间表,唯一的办法就是把它们划归空军管辖,让那里的科研人员遵循空军“要么做出成绩,要么淘汰”的晋升规则——在印度空军,看的是实绩,不是吹牛。我大学时在一家航空实验室实习过,那里的人花在午休和闲聊上的时间,比正经工作的时间还多。
kailashsingh7169
Rightly said economy leadership and ecosystem matters the most...we do need every little thing made in india to achieve it...for it big players will have to come together with funds r&d etc..they will get their profits in time
说得对,经济实力、领导层决策和产业生态才是最重要的,要实现“印度制造”,每一个小环节都不能少。为此,大厂商必须联合起来,投入资金搞研发,假以时日,他们自然能赚到钱。
NavazPasha-c7y
If even purchased both su 57 and rafale we should be mindful and careful that it will not affect our indigenous programs and atlast we defence enthusiasts can only hope both imports and domestic platforms succeed better than expected.
就算同时买了苏-57和“阵风”,我们也得留意,别让这些进口装备影响本土装备项目。最后,作为国防爱好者,我们只能希望进口装备和本土装备都能比预期发展得更好。
NikhilSingh-de5vj
Agar hum annually 11 lakh crores rupees ka petroleum import kar shakte hai to iska 1/4th to apni security ensure karna ka liye weapons par kharch kar sakte hai "Make in India" priority honi chahiye lekin urgent needs ko imports se bhi kuch pura karne ma koi burai nahi.
既然我们每年能花110万亿卢比进口石油,那拿出其中四分之一的钱,用来买武器保障国家安全总可以吧?“印度制造”固然要优先,但通过进口满足紧急需求,也没什么不对。
marcusaureliusanonymous
One important thing to note here is that these deals are not one time purchase, instead these purchases will be over long period of time with purchase spread over a number of years!! Still, on these platforms we need our own mission computers, complete control over source code, own data link, own GAN based uttam radar!
有一点很重要:这些采购不是一次性买卖,而是会分摊到好几年内完成。不过,就算买了这些战机,我们也得用自己的任务计算机、完全掌握源代码、用自己的数据链,还要装自己的氮化镓基“乌塔姆”雷达!
vision_bihar_2035
We now support you as you i believe that we must not import till our domestic industry gets enough budget
在本土产业拿到足够预算之前,不该进口装备。
Ajay_GangadharSingh
Agar aapko lagta hai ki aap govt se zyada pata hai capabilities aur limits ka toh aap mahaan hain..!!
要是你觉得自己比政府更清楚国家的能力和局限,那你可太“伟大”了!
Creepy_monkey
72 su57 4 squardons , one squardon in north east one on ladak one on j&k and one on rajasthan
72架苏-57,编成4个中队。一个中队部署在东北部,一个在拉达克,一个在查谟和克什米尔,还有一个在拉贾斯坦邦
shreepkkk
Bilkul shi points uthaye hai matrix bhai ne jo sarkari culture ne mari hai tejas mk2 ki jab design amca ka 2016 mai clear hua toh sala ccs clearance 9 saal baad 2025 mai ?ye kesa system hai be ?itte mai toh mass production mai chla jata amca
说得太对了!都是政府体制拖了“光辉”Mk2的后腿。先进中型战斗机(AMCA)的设计2016年就通过了,结果内阁安全委员会(CCS)的审批要等到9年后的2025年?这是什么破制度啊?这么长时间,AMCA早该进入量产阶段了!
yashkumar4150
It is quite certain that 36-54 su 57 are coming. Its good dor now. Need of the hour.
基本可以确定,会买36到54架苏-57。目前来看这是好事,也是当下急需的。
nxp2619
ek baar 20-30 billion extra kharch krne se konsa hamari gdp gir jaayegi, we didnt spend for IAF in decades. Its time to spend some big chunks for our national interest
就算多花200到300亿美元,我们的GDP难道会因此下降吗?几十年来,我们在印度空军身上的投入一直不够。现在该为国家利益花一大笔钱了。
Dexterj8704
Insane. But capital expenditure is not going to support both. But if govt divert funds from Free bee to defence it is a achievable and also an achievement.
买这么多战机,听起来很疯狂,但资本支出撑不起两个大项目。不过,如果政府把“免费福利”的资金转移到国防上,这事不仅能成,还能算是一项成就。
jayantochatterjee6413
HAL is Responsible for the situation India finds itself in today..That and past Governments step motherly treatment for R&D on Jet Engine Technology..40 years of past Congress Governments Apathy has created a crisis where we need Fighter planes yesterday not today..Modi Govt has given full support to the Defence Sector and this will continue.. there is another bit of encouraging news on the Fighter front..With Dassault pulling out of the 100billion European FCAS 6th generation combat jet development Germany is looking at India to replace Dassault..this is a golden opportunity for India to gain on ground real time expertise in collaboration with European partners in 6th generation Technology.
印度现在的处境,印度斯坦航空有限公司(HAL)要负全责,还有过去的政府不重视喷气发动机技术的研发。国大党政府40年来的漠不关心,导致了如今的危机——我们早就该有新战机了,而不是等到今天。莫迪政府给了国防部门全力支持,而且会一直支持下去。另外,战机领域还有个好消息:达索公司退出了耗资1000亿美元的欧洲第六代战斗机研发项目,德国正考虑让印度接替达索。这对印度来说是个黄金机会,能和欧洲伙伴合作,实时掌握第六代战机技术的实战经验。
satyajitmishra7855
Hum ko current situation ko v dekhna hai vai ...jo galti decades pahele ho chuka hai us chij ki duhai dena koi sence nehi bana ta
兄弟,我们也得看看当下的情况啊。现在纠结几十年前犯的错,根本没意义。
pagaldhruba5760
Bhai ,, kuch v ho jaye defense budget ko 300 billion+ toh at length Karna chaiye globally kafi war dekhne ke bad
兄弟,不管发生什么,印度的国防预算都得大幅提高到3000亿美元以上。现在全世界这么多战争,不能再含糊了。
cyphergaming24
We need different budget for own programs and use defence budget for rafale and su57
本土装备项目应该有单独的预算,国防预算专门用来买“阵风”和苏-57。
amolsingh7428
42 squadron se 54-55 squadron jbki ab hamare pass satellite + drone bhi hai
印度空军得从现在的42个中队增加到54到55个中队,而且我们现在还有卫星和无人机。
VYXEN_PUBG
Govt needs to increase funds!
印度政府得加钱!
alokkumarsahu9318
It is next to impossible buy Rafael and su 57 and it not affect local programs. Better to wait till next year budget release .
又买“阵风”又买苏-57,还不影响本土项目,这几乎是不可能的。不如等明年预算公布了再说。
mohit6579
Everyone should just follow the money, Indian Tax collection for 2024-25 cumulatively at 43.3lakh cr!! In 2013 we collected a total of 11 lakh cr as tax. India has the money, it’s just not spoken about much in public. Now think about how much money India will make in the coming 15-20yrs, since capital Investments are deferred as per stages of completion. So chill
大家看看钱的情况就知道了:2024-2025财年印度税收总额已经达到433万亿卢比!2013年的时候,我们的总税收才110万亿卢比。印度有钱,只是没在公开场合多提而已。而且资本投资是按项目完成阶段分期投入的,想想未来15到20年印度能赚多少钱,所以别慌。
saumenbhadra5439
I will be happy if it happens.
要是能成,我会很开心。
cyphergaming24
We can buy 114 rafale and 100 su 57 . It would be crazy. We can do some emi like system for payment russia and france both are one of best allies
我们可以买114架“阵风”和100架苏-57,虽然听起来很疯狂,但可以搞个类似“分期付款”的方式付钱。俄罗斯和法国都是我们最好的盟友之一。
mtf_savage_beasts2565
AMCA banna suru hoga 2050, 2060 bhi ho sakta hai aur Tejas MK2 banega 2036 se 2040 ke beech.
先进中型战斗机(AMCA)大概2050年才会开始造,甚至可能拖到2060年。“光辉”Mk2则会在2036到2040年之间造出来。
akshaya5551
Ppl need to stop worrying about tejas mk2 and Amca uska prototype keliye funds already released hai, aur uska order testing ke baad 2033 and 2034 mein honewala hai, current requirement is important now exsting squadron strength increase karni hai usse pehle, money won't be a issue in this
大家别再担心“光辉”Mk2和AMCA了。这两个项目的原型机资金已经批了,测试完成后,订单会在2033到2034年下达。现在最重要的是满足当前需求,先把现有中队的规模扩大,钱不是问题。
vsmart9
We have 700 bn forex reserve. We can use 100bn from that for national defense.
我们有7000亿美元的外汇储备,完全可以拿出1000亿来用于国防。
vrushalingale1719
We need su57 with al51f engine with tot n source code
我们要买的苏-57,得配备AL-51F发动机,还要附带技术转让和源代码。
nehegavshdb
जबतक खुदका इंजन नहीं आता तबतक Domestic aeroplanes के बारे में कोई बात ना ही करें।
只要我们自己的发动机还搞不出来,就别谈什么国产飞机了。
n.jknowledgevolgs4119
114 su57 with transfer of technology and sorce code+ 80 raffel with transfer of technology and sorce code kharid lena chahiye
应该买114架附带技术转让和源代码的苏-57,再买80架附带技术转让和源代码的“阵风”
ankitpanda1860
Idk know why there is so much delay. we are not getting the proper roads but please lets not move poorly with defense related matters.
我不知道为什么总是拖这么久。就算我们修不好像样的公路,也请别在国防相关的事上掉链子。
MasterKumar-nr2ib
आप ठीक हो भाड़े के टटू कभी जंग नहीं जिताते युद्ध का घोड़ा हमेशा खुद का ही होता है।
你说得对,靠别人给的“玩具”永远赢不了战争,打仗最终还得靠自己的装备
Vikrant956
Thoda number kam karke vo Paisa Jet engine development mein aur AMCA ke programme mein lagana chahiye, like 80 rafale + 50 su 57 in next 7-8 years
我们应该少买几架战机,把省下来的钱投到喷气发动机研发和AMCA项目里。比如未来7到8年,买80架“阵风”加50架苏-57就够了。
Omgadage07
Opration sindoor ke baad hamari sarkar ki nind khuli hai . Itna delay kar diya .
“辛杜尔行动”之后,我们的政府才算醒悟,但还是拖了这么久。
dkh8703
Everything could have been different today had Indian Diplomats had not walked away from Su-57 joint venture with Russia. We could have had these machines not only for cheap but als modify it to our needs much easy. Plus, it would be a critical step up for our own AMCA program.
当初印度外交官要是没退出和俄罗斯的苏-57联合研发项目,现在一切都会不一样。我们不仅能以更低的价格拿到苏-57,还能更轻松地根据自己的需求改造它。而且,这本来能为我们自己的AMCA项目打下关键基础。
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