China's Pilots Admits India's Rafale Jets Have Edge Over J-16 Fighters In Close-Range Dogfights

中国飞行员承认：印度 “阵风” 战机在近距离缠斗中优于歼16 战机

A rare air exercise has produced an awkward compliment for India’s Rafale. During Egypt’s Eagles of Civilization 2026 drills, Chinese J-16 fighters reportedly faced Egyptian Rafales in medium- and close-range combat scenarios. Reports say Chinese pilots found the Rafale difficult to handle in close manoeuvring. There is no official scorecard, no confirmed kill ratio and no proof that the Rafale decisively defeated the J-16. The two jets have different strengths. The J-16 is larger, heavier and twin-engined. The Rafale is smaller and highly agile. For India, the timing matters. The Indian Air Force operates 36 Rafales and is considering 114 more. The Navy has ordered 26 Rafale-M fighters for carrier operations.

一场罕见的联合空中演习，来看人们对印度的阵风战机耐人寻味的评价。据报道，在埃及2026年 “文明之鹰” 演习期间，中国歼16 战机与埃及的阵风战机开展了中距和近距对抗科目。有消息称，中国飞行员发现在近距离机动对抗时，阵风战机很难对付。

不过本次演习没有官方战绩表，也没有空战交换比，没有证据证明阵风战机取得了对歼16 的决定性胜利。两款战机各有所长。歼16 体型更大、重量更高，采用双发动机设计；阵风尺寸更小，机动灵活性极强。

印度空军目前列装 36 架阵风战机，还在考虑增购 114 架；印度海军已经订购 26 架阵风M 舰载战斗机。

以下是印度网友的评论：

silafaupaulmeredith7251
Edge in close warfare but the pilot also stated the Rafale lacks electronic warfare radar capabilities and air to air beyond visiual missiles. Rafale also lacks range and payload compared to the F16. We also know the Rafale was shot down by J10c

阵风在近距离缠斗占优，但这名中国飞行员也提到，阵风的电子战、雷达性能和超视距空空导弹是短板。和F-16相比，阵风战机的航程偏短、载弹量也偏弱。而且我们都清楚，阵风曾被歼-10C击落。

 

winstondsouza8185
Good Video or excercise simulation performance by Rafales ! But the man behind the machine in a real fight situation is what counts to make it count!

阵风在演习模拟里表现亮眼！但真打起来，操控战机的飞行员才是决定胜负的关键！

 

krishna_Bharath
India has more battle field experience than chinese. thats why they are 3rd in air power index and higher than chinese air force.

印度空军的实战经验比中国丰富。所以在空中力量排行榜排第三，名次高于中国空军。

 

peterseth3296
Rafale is more agile in a close range dogfights

阵风在近距离缠斗时更加灵活。

SanjayGupta-nt9vn
@peterseth3296 who is waging dogfights in world moving to 7G.

 世界都快进入7G时代了，谁还会打近距离缠斗？

 

piscator2813
Lmao 6-0 Rafale trash

哈哈，6比0，阵风战机就是垃圾。

 

dragonbk123
Rafael is french not indian.

阵风是法国造的，不是印度国产战机。

 

NDN-t0938t
They also said, for close range, a smaller plane like j10C is better. And that for BVR and electronic warfare, the j16 was superior.

他们还提到，近距离对抗，歼-10C这类小型战机更占优势。而在超视距作战和电子战方面，歼-16更强。

 

ames-mc5hc
Rafale is the ultimate close range dog fighter. The J16 is a heavyweight fighter completely unsuitable for close range dogfights.

近距离格斗，阵风是顶级战机。歼-16属于重型战机，根本不适合近距离格斗。

 

ListenerNo.1379
France just banned Rafael in other countries to exercise with Chinese aircraft in the future, that tells you something, lol.

法国刚下令，禁止其他国家的阵风战机以后和中国战机开展演习，你品，你细品，哈哈。

 

vdotme
China wants India comfortable with the Rafales that got clapped by J-10s. Indians will swallow the bait with a rapturous "Jai Hind!"

中国就是想让印度迷信这款被歼10击败的阵风战机。印度人会上套，兴奋大喊“印度必胜！”。

 

krishna_Bharath
LOL. do you know the capabilities of J10. does any one bought J10 other than Pakistan and used in real war.

哈哈。你了解歼10的性能吗？除了巴基斯坦，还有哪个国家采购歼10并且投入过实战？

vdotme
​ @krishna_Bharath the J-10 that walloped your Rafales (in real war)? Go on, tell us more about how crap it is

就是那架在实战中痛揍你们阵风的歼10？来来，歼10战机到底有多差。

 

IceCream-8888
Indonesia received its first J10
others countries orders on the way - Bangladesh, Uzbekistan, Azerbaijan, Myanmar, and Nigeria

印尼已经接收首批歼10。还有多国正在下单：孟加拉国、乌兹别克斯坦、阿塞拜疆、缅甸、尼日利亚。

 

ninersnation3298
NOBODY BEATS INDIA'S BIG MOUTH!!! TALK BIG, NOTHING ELSE!!!

没人比印度更能吹牛皮！只会说大话，没别的本事！

 

 

krishna_Bharath
Does J10 has a battle field experience?

歼10有实战经历吗？

ninersnation3298
@krishna_Bharath They should be buying the india's pride, the outdated garbage tejas!!!

你们该买印度的国产战机，也就是那些过时的垃圾光辉战机！

krishna_Bharath
@ninersnation3298 LOL. first look at your self before telling anything like this.
TEJAS is the best and praised by French and Japanese air chiefs. They flew the jet and praised it.
so dont write crap in comments unless you come with facts.
The real crap is your J16, J10 which flies in outdated 3rd gen engines. the engines produce black smoke when they fly.
Your J20 was spotted over Tib by Indian IAF planes particularly our SU30 MKI.

哈哈。说这种话之前先看看你自己。光辉战机性能顶尖，法国、日本空军司令都试驾过，并且大加赞赏。拿不出事实依据就别在评论区胡说。真正的垃圾是你们的歼16、歼10，使用老旧的第三代发动机，飞行时发动机还冒黑烟。印度空军战机，尤其是我们的苏30MKI，曾在中国西 藏上空发现过你们的歼20。

cashear1759
@krishna_Bharath dose operation sindoor ring a bell? Dose Pakistan 8: India 0 ring a bell?

还记得辛杜尔行动吗？还记得巴基斯坦空军对印度空军取得的8比0的辉煌战机吗？

 

shivaraml5692
Completely misrepresentation of issues. How many dog fights will be there in future. The rafale is far smaller so it is more maneuverable.

完全歪曲了重点。未来空战里，能有多少机会近距离格斗？阵风战机的尺寸小得多，所以机动性更强。

 

flamencoguy3000
J16 is a heavy fighter. It is not use for dogfights. Other fighters will be used. J10 C is enough to defeat Rafael.

歼16是重型战机，本来就不是设计用来近距离格斗的。这类任务交给别的战机就行。歼10C足以击败阵风。

 

 

CrypticGiant
It may a Chinese strategy to say Rafael is superior to encourage India to commit unwisely! Without hard facts, shouldn’t draw conclusions !

说阵风性能更强，或许是中国的计谋，引诱印度军备投入搞错方向！没有确凿证据，不该下定论！

 

flamencoguy3000
Rafael won't have a chance to get close

阵风战机根本没机会靠近对手。

 

ashishrana6411
J16 itself is a copy of SU30 MKI. As always another cheap copy.

歼16本身就是仿制苏30MKI。一如既往，又是廉价仿制品。

 

vdotme
Lol. India completed a domestic tank after 50 years and the program more than 20 times over budget, but it was outdated and the upgrade is not quite cutting it so you need to buy T-90s. J-16 is not a copy of the original Su27/30. Different & domestic engine, different & domestic radar, different & domestic avionics, different & domestic materials. Tejas is going the way of Tejas

哈哈。印度自研坦克花了50年才造出来，项目预算超支20多倍，成品却已经落后，升级效果也不理想，只能继续采购T-90。歼16并不是原版苏27/苏30的仿制品。发动机、雷达、航电、材料全部是国产自研，和原版不一样。光辉战机发展也就那样。

 

NDN-t0938t
Huh!? The j16 is derived from the AIRFRAME of the su30 and su27. It has completely domestic avionics, weapons systems, engines, composite materials, AESA Radar and EW suite.

啊？歼16只是机体源自苏30、苏27。航电、武器系统、发动机、复合材料、有源相控阵雷达、电子战套件全部是国产自研。

 

flamencoguy3000
It has surpassed the SU27 or 30. Except for the shape everything else is different and superior to the Sukhoi planes.

它性能已经超越苏27、苏30。除了外形，其余全部部件都不一样，而且性能优于苏霍伊战机。

 

calvindrosario8871
Tell it like it is. The Chinese found the Rafale's radar and engine to be underpowered when compared to the J-16, however, since the Rafale is a smaller aircraft, they admit it is more agile than the J-16. Since future engagements with any opposing air force is expected to occur at Beyond visual ranges and strike missions at standoff ranges this is not an advantage unless the IAF plans to allow the enemy to get up close to them.... India is going in full on for the Rafale because it has no other choice. The SU-57 will bring sanctions, that would leave the option of more Rafales or to go in for JAS-39 Gripens (new initial costs would be a damper), and since procurement of any American aircraft remains taboo, it will be either more of the Rafales, or the SU-57, and the choice has to be made soon, since the IAF squadron strength is expected to drop quicker than the planned deliveries of the 114 new Rafales, and the AMCA will not be available for another decade or more before the first squadron stands up, and here to it remains to be seen whether it will live up to the talk or be obsolescent on arrival. The best-case scenario for the Tejas MK1 and MK2 would be for these aircraft to take on the Close Air Support and short to medium strike roles for targets on both land and sea.

实话实说。中方飞行员对比后认为，阵风的雷达、发动机性能弱于歼16。但阵风机身更小，所以比歼16更灵活。

未来空战大概率是超视距作战，打击任务也会在防区外完成。除非印度空军主动放敌人近身，否则近距离灵活算不上优势，派不上用场。

印度全力采购阵风，其实别无选择。采购苏57会引来制裁，剩下的选项要么继续买阵风，要么选鹰狮JAS-39（新机采购起步成本很高）。所以只能二选一：增购阵风或者苏57，而且必须尽快敲定。印度空军战机中队规模缩减速度，会快于计划采购的114架阵风交付速度。国产AMCA隐身战机，还要十年以上才能组建第一个中队，到时候是不是真的如宣传的那么厉害，还是说到服役就已经落后，目前都不好说。光辉MK1、MK2最好的定位，就是承担近距离空中支援，以及陆海目标的中近距打击任务。

bixudiwon6363
@calvindrosario8871 it is a sin to tell truth in India

在印度，讲真话都是罪过。

 

krishna_Bharath
LOL the way you tel is like a donkey telling the lion that you are under powered than me. Chiese jet engines are all under powered and not even close to 4th gen engines.

哈哈，你这说法，就好比驴子跟狮子说你的动力不如我。中国航空发动机推力全都不足，连第四代发动机都比不上。

calvindrosario8871
​ @krishna_Bharath whatever makes you sleep better my friend.. though you shd speak with the IAF and maybe they will tell you what they think.

朋友，你怎么想开心就好。不过你可以问问印度空军，听听他们真实看法。

krishna_Bharath
@calvindrosario8871 same applicable to you. you are only propagating what chinese global times or China tell you to say. we dont have that in India. we have a freedom of speech, freedom of knowledge etc. so we know what our armed forces are doing and protecting our country. we dont need to fake anything may be we hide but not over react or fake as like chinese.
I sleep peacefully because my country is protected. you can't because the threat is not from outside for you and it is from inside for you.

这话对你同样适用。你只是在复述《环球时报》或者中国想让你说的内容。我们清楚本国军队如何保家卫国。我们不需要造假，就算有所隐瞒，也不会像中国那样夸大。

我能安心睡觉，因为我的国家有军队守护。你却不行，因为你的威胁不是来自外部，而是内部。

calvindrosario8871
​ @krishna_Bharath Patriotism is good but you're not hel the IAF when you don't question bad decisions or propaganda by the MOD or the IAF. The truth always comes out. FYI ...I am Indian.

 爱国是好事。但对于印度国防部、空军的错误决策和宣传不加质疑，这并不是帮印度空军。真相总会浮出水面。顺便说一句，我是印度人。