中国吃透各国高铁技术，进而实现超越

How China Learned Every Country’s Train Secrets — And Then Outbuilt Them

中国吃透各国高铁技术，进而实现超越

High-speed trains used to be bespoke, artisanal engineering marvels built by Europeans and Japanese. China changed the math.

高铁曾是欧美日专属的定制化工程奇迹，凝聚着手工匠艺般的顶尖技术。中国却改写了这一格局。

以下是各国网友的评论：

Sacto1654
Well, China has the HUGE advantage of generally not dealing with land acquisition costs, which can get extremely high very quickly in the USA.

中国有个巨大优势，就是基本不用承担征地成本，而在美国，这类成本会涨得飞快，很快就高到惊人。

palvierflex4344
china also has the "advantage" of not dealing with safetly regulations, and building/ contruction code ! look up : tofudreg or the recent hong kong fires where money was beeing "saved" by using cheap netting instead of the more expensive mandatory fire retardant once !

中国还有个“优势”，就是不用遵守安全法规和建筑规范！去查查“豆腐工程”，或者最近中国香港的火灾——为了“省钱”，他们不用昂贵的法定阻燃网，反而用廉价网子。

LeoTung-g3n
C380A is a technology blending of Japan body but German power train to run much faster which give up the safety.

C380A是技术拼接产物，车身源自日本，动力系统来自德国，为了追求更快速度而牺牲了安全性。

DosDosDosDosDos787
Amazing to see..but china hsr gas huge debts.

看着确实厉害，但中国高铁背负着巨额债务。

Ohampion
less than the US and they have trains.

债务比美国少，而且他们还建成了高铁。

animeone9913
Some things are unacceptable in a country of 1.4 billion people. They need to create something that everyone can use.

在一个14亿人口的国家，有些事是不可接受的，他们需要打造人人都能用的东西。

Indusworldz
The most important thing is and main core difference between japanese and chinese mentality and there thoughts where japanese want to build with realibility, quality, you can see these things on there cars, bikes,trucks, trains everything and i can choose anything from japan blindly, same with there trains

日中两国心态和理念的核心差异，也是最重要的一点在于：日本人做事追求可靠性和质量，这一点在他们的汽车、摩托车、卡车、火车等所有产品上都能体现，我可以放心大胆地选择任何日本产品，他们的火车也是如此。

ntznbgzt
Resistance detected. Cmon disrupt yourself. Japan is not giant tech pioneer anymore. They just part of capitalism and "big" supply chain. Thats why japan dont have a sophisticated EV car. Its just lagged behind, too big supply chain, not agile enough to pivot, disrupt and adapt.

我发现有人在硬抬日本了。醒醒吧，该革新了。日本早就不是什么顶尖科技先锋了，他们只是资本主义和“大型”供应链的一部分。这就是为什么日本造不出高端电动车——他们已经落后了，供应链太庞大，不够灵活，无法及时转型、革新和适应变化。

timothyleung5574
products now may apply to Japan in a decade and china may face the stagnation Japan is facing now

现在的日本现状，可能十年后会轮到中国，中国或许会面临日本现在的停滞困境。

Guantimasao
USA and European Union don’t need bullet train or high speed train because they have undisputed king of sky Airbus and Boeing they have large network of national and international airports……….in Europe air travel from Ryan air is cheaper than railways

美国和欧盟不需要高铁，因为他们有空中霸主空客和波音，还有庞大的国内及国际机场网络，而且在欧洲，瑞安航空的机票比火车票还便宜。

PreciousAlpschindler
Whattttt TGV is not that bad

啥？法国高铁（TGV）没那么差吧。

hitlist2105
Yes but trains are certainly better environmentally plus people don't have to worry about bag weight limits. I just wish china was more de ocratic and trustworthy.

话是这么说，但火车在环保方面肯定更有优势，而且人们不用操心行李重量限制。我只希望中国能更民主、更值得信任一些。

socialism-i4b
Aeroplanes are known to cause 70 times more pollution then HSR or even normal trains

众所周知，飞机造成的污染是高铁甚至普通火车的70倍。

hitlist2105
@Guantimasao calling names when somebody make a valid counterpoint. How mature..

人家提出合理反驳，你就人身攻击，真够成熟的。

heocon0541
Nah the US and EU need high speed trains and more trains for that matter, literally the most efficient and (by experience) the most comfortable mode of transportation.

不，美国和欧盟其实需要高铁，而且还需要更多火车。说实话，火车确实是最高效的交通方式，就我的体验来看，也是最舒适的。

josephnduaguibe
Am launching at the cope hard bros in the comment section

我要怼那些在评论区硬杠的家伙们。

भारतीय-1947
‘Won the race’? China’s bullet trains are a trillion-dollar debt trap... bleeding losses, propped up by subsidies, running empty through ghost-town routes, and hiding costs behind flashy PR. Most lines will never be profitable, ticket prices are politically fixed, and local governments are drowning in loans just to host oversized stations. If this financial black hole is a ‘win’, no wonder Trump ended up Your President

“赢得了竞争”？中国高铁就是个万亿美元级别的债务陷阱。一直在亏损，靠补贴支撑，在无人问津的“鬼城”线路上空驶，还靠花哨的公关掩盖成本。大多数线路永远都不会盈利，票价是出于政治目的设定的，地方政府为了修建超大型车站，早已深陷贷款泥潭。如果这个财务黑洞都能算“胜利”，那特朗普能当上你们的总统也就不足为奇了。

mangeshchalan8786
Bro do you think they don't know? They know it it's not for profit it's for service

兄弟，你觉得他们不知道吗？他们当然知道，这不是为了盈利，而是为了提供公共服务。

reinpinebook825
If scale, size and export. China wins. But if safety record and overall performance, they lost.

论规模、体量和出口，中国赢了。但论安全记录和整体性能，他们输了。

C.M.R-dk2uc
Yeah, didn't their HSR derailed prayers to the those who died.

是啊，他们的高铁不是发生过脱轨事故吗？为遇难者祈祷。

aira4739
Overall performance ? Fuxng 400af is much smoother than any Shinkansen Safety? Wenzhou collision trains are not Chinese made but foreign made

整体性能？复兴号400AF比任何新干线都平稳。安全方面？温州动车事故的列车不是中国制造的，而是外国产的。

Himanshu-x8s7i
so china got tech transfer for HSR? meanwhile bots were spamming how china built their own HSR!

所以中国高铁是靠技术转移来的？与此同时，还有一堆水军在刷屏说中国是自主研发的高铁！

never4ever386
This is common knowledge. That they were tech transfers in the begng. But China further developed these technology which has now superseded and not the same as what they purchased. China has also sold and transferred the Chinese technology to Indonesia.

这是常识，一开始确实有技术转移，但中国在此基础上进行了进一步研发，现在的技术已经超越了当初引进的版本，和原来的完全不一样了。中国还向印尼出售并转让了这项中国自主技术。

hitlist2105
Trains are a national good and shouldn't be expected to be profitable [japan is the exception not the rule].Just like how roads aren't expected to be profitable and some roads are barely used by anyone yet are still maintained properly

火车是公共福利设施，不应该指望它盈利（日本只是例外，不是普遍情况）。就像公路也不会以盈利为目的，有些公路几乎没人用，但依然会得到妥善维护。

stop_the_ig
And with the same quality as toy cars Heading to those deserted stations, raising prices ten times, yet 96% of routes are still operating at a loss, all supported by a massive debt of six trillion.

而且质量跟玩具车差不多，开向那些废弃的车站，票价涨了十倍，但96%的线路依然在亏损运营，全靠6万亿美元的巨额债务支撑。

Fuq-b8h
Cope harder. It's superior to whatever is in your country.

接着硬杠吧，中国高铁比你们国家的任何交通设施都先进。

aira4739
What is the relation between fusion power and maglev hyperloop?

核聚变发电和磁悬浮超级高铁有什么关系？

Divinedelulu
Let’s be honest the her is extremely safe. There was only 1 major accident along the network, and it wasn’t even because of the trains. So suck it up and admit that “” won this time

说实话，中国高铁非常安全。整个高铁网络只发生过一次重大事故，而且那根本不是火车本身的问题。所以别不服气，承认这次中国赢了吧。

karthikBruuh
who said China won the race unLimited Chinese propaganda unleashed

谁说中国赢了？不过是中国无底线的宣传罢了。

mei_tokisaki
does usa have mass network of hsr?

美国有大规模的高铁网络吗？

C.M.R-dk2uc
@mei_tokisaki the US is too obsess with cars so bad example, you should try comparing it to Japan.

美国太痴迷汽车了，这个例子不好，你应该拿日本来比。

mei_tokisaki
@C.M.R-dk2uc yeah. china got about 15 times more hcr length than japan (45,000 vs 3000)

是啊，中国高铁里程大概是日本的15倍（4.5万公里对3000公里）。

C.M.R-dk2uc
@mei_tokisaki and tell me how pprofitable are those it's one thing to build them, it's another thing if ttheiractually viable. They just build them to show oof while in Japan they actually studied to see if they would be viable and sustainable ,. China HSR is in debt and only sustaining through subsidy.

那你说说这些线路的盈利情况如何？建得出来是一回事，实际能运营下去是另一回事。中国建高铁只是为了炫耀，而日本在修建前会认真研究线路的可行性和可持续性。中国高铁深陷债务，只能靠补贴维持。

karthikBruuh
@C.M.R-dk2uc since 2010 china's fast rail project is in debt only . now they halted/ canceled all the project which were announced earlier linking un viable rural villages . to compensate that only they initiated belt and road. but that too face hurdle after srilanka hambantota port default . now countries like Thailand canceled their project and Nigeria facing same threat . China's are setting trap which opposition parties in each understood and agitated against it. now China unleashes EV but that can't hold it coz India too quickly adapt that technology except rare earth metals . if India do the same thing of China by import rare earth metals from Australia directly and refined it then china's dominance in EV becomes nullify .

自2010年以来，中国的高铁项目就一直处于负债状态。现在他们已经暂停或取消了所有之前宣布的、连接偏远农村的不切实际的项目。为了弥补这一点，他们才发起了“一带一路”倡议，但在斯里兰卡汉班托塔港违约后，这个倡议也遇到了阻碍。现在泰国等国家已经取消了相关项目，尼日利亚也面临同样的风险。中国在设陷阱，每个国家的反对党都看清了这一点，并且发起了抗议。现在中国又大力推广电动车，但这也坚持不了多久，因为除了稀土之外，印度也在快速适配这项技术。如果印度也像中国那样，直接从澳大利亚进口稀土并进行提炼，那么中国在电动车领域的主导地位就会被瓦解。

mei_tokisaki
@C.M.R-dk2uc original Japanese National Railways (JNR) debt exceeding $200 billion at privatization.... yeah how is japan not in debt or almost any other mega railway projects? very biased statement

日本国有铁道（JNR）私有化时，债务超过了2000亿美元。所以说，日本难道就没有债务吗？几乎所有大型铁路项目不都有债务吗？你的说法太有偏见了。

C.M.R-dk2uc
@mei_tokisaki that was the initial star it was pretty new technology and went over budget yes, but China has many example to follow in order not to have the same issue they could have looked at Japan and Europe HSR and see what works and did not work and done studies on what is profitable line to create. What China did was blindly build many line even if their not use. They did so fast that they had an accident, prayers to those who died. The shikansen has been in operation for more than 50 years with no major accident asside failure om derailment during earthquicks.

日本那是初期情况，当时高铁还是新技术，超支是事实，但中国本可以借鉴很多例子来避免同样的问题。他们可以参考日本和欧洲的高铁，看看哪些可行、哪些不可行，再研究哪些线路能盈利。但中国却盲目修建了很多无用的线路，而且建得太快，导致发生了事故，为遇难者祈祷。新干线已经运营了50多年，除了地震期间发生过脱轨事故外，没有出现过重大事故。

C.M.R-dk2uc
@karthikBruuhthey also don't have a good safety record l, I think a bridge made by a Chinese company collapse somewhere in Europe, and a bridge made by a Chinese company collapse in my country it's only been a couple years since it was built too, and something about a railway made by a Chinese company in Thailand or Malaysia can't remember having some issue too

中国的安全记录也不好，我记得欧洲有座中国公司建的桥塌了，我国家也有一座中国公司建的桥塌了，而且建成才几年时间。还有，中国公司在泰国或马来西亚建的一条铁路，好像也出了些问题，具体记不清了。

mei_tokisaki
@C.M.R-dk2uc source？no idea about thailand or malaysia. japan railway accidents happen everyday

有来源吗？我不知道泰国或马来西亚的事，日本的铁路事故倒是天天都有。

C.M.R-dk2uc
@mei_tokisaki forgot which country, but there is one I remember in sebia in a train station canopy collapse that is being renovated by a Chinese contractor part of the belt and road. Also wasn't there a bulding being built by a Chinese construction company that collapse in an earth quick, their the only ones that collapse and funny enough there was another unfinished building in the country that did not collapse.

忘了是哪个国家了，但我记得塞尔维亚有个火车站顶棚在翻新时塌了，承包商是参与“一带一路”项目的中国公司。另外，是不是有一座中国建筑公司在建的大楼在地震中塌了？当时只有那栋楼塌了，有意思的是，同一个国家还有一栋未完工的大楼却没塌。

rattlehead999
Just like everything else, they steal, don't comply with agreements, intellectual property, patents, or anything else and do as they wish

就像其他所有事情一样，他们只会窃取技术，不遵守协议，无视知识产权、专利等一切规则，为所欲为。

franklee538
We will see how long the infrastructure lasts

看看这些基础设施能撑多久。

thethree60five
They are building thousands of infrastructure and employing millions. How long do roads last? How is American road infrastructure? it is a safe infrastructure and transportation and protects the movement of people and that means economy. Something America can never understand. Government Working for the betterment of it's people, not the billionaires.

他们正在修建数千个基础设施项目，创造了数百万个就业岗位。公路能用多久？美国的公路基础设施现状又如何？中国高铁是安全的基础设施和交通工具，保障了人员流动，而人员流动关乎经济发展。这一点美国永远都不会明白——政府是为人民谋福祉，而不是为亿万富翁服务。

paulfitz61
Still not as safe as the Shinkansen, has China ever developed anything without copying.

还是不如新干线安全，中国有自主研发出来的东西吗？