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拜登宣布他将签署一项法案,迫使中国科技巨头字节跳动做出选择:要么剥离大受欢迎的社交媒体平台TikTok,要么封杀TikTok,TikTok会成为下一个华为吗

Biden announced he would sign a bill forcing Chinese tech giant ByteDance to make a choice: either divest its popular social media platform, TikTok, or face a ban.  Will TikTok become another Huawei?  How do you view it?

拜登宣布,他将签署一项法案,迫使中国科技巨头字节跳动做出选择:要么剥离大受欢迎的社交媒体平台TikTok,要么封杀TikTok。TikTok会成为下一个华为吗?

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以下是Quora网友的评论:

Weiguo Wang

As it turns out, there is no freedom of speech in the West, and TikTok is simply speaking the truth that American politicians don't want to speak. The West criticizes itself and other countries with different standards.

事实证明,西方并不存在言论*由,抖音只是说出了美国政客不想承认的真相。西方就是用两套不同的标准来评判自己和其他国家。

 

 

 

Tim Onstad

Congressmen have been running their mouths about it, but I don’t think I’ve heard of Biden announcing any bill against bytedance or ban tiktok

国会议员一直在谈论这件事,但我还没有听说拜登真的宣布了任何针对字节跳动或禁止tiktok的法案。

 

 

 

MaryBeth VanderMeulen

The US has every right to protect US citizens from a potential threat. It is one of the reasons we vote people into power, so they can protect us. Unfortunately, many young people have found this platform appealing because it is where other young people like to congregate.

美国完全有权利保护美国公民免受潜在威胁。这是我们投票为竞选人投票,让他们上台掌权的原因之一,这样他们就能保护我们。但很遗憾,很多年轻人发现这个平台很有吸引力,因为其他年轻人也喜欢聚集在这里。

While I cannot blame them for wanting such a platform, Tik Tok does have many down sides and the biggest one is the ownership by ByteDance which means the co unist government in China is taking all of the data and using it.

You may not think this is a problem but since China is continuously gathering information they can use for future assaults against large like the US and Canada, it is vital we take note and do something ...

虽然我不能责怪他们喜欢这个平台,但抖音的问题确实不少,最大的问题就在于它属于字节跳动,这也就意味着中国可以获取和使用所有用户数据。

你可能不觉得这是个问题,但中国如果不断收集信息,就可以用这些信息来攻击美国和加拿大等国家,我们必须重视并采取行动……

 

 

 

David Yin

banning tiktok means nothing to China. bytedance is not public listed. Employment is mainly outside China, they probaly don’t break revenue back yo China and no tax to China either. Through all these years, it’s hard to find anything Chinese not sanctioned by the US nowadays. To China this is pretty much just another day.

封杀抖音对中国毫无意义。字节跳动并没有上市。就业主要在中国境外,他们可能不会影响中国的收入,也不会向中国纳税。这么多年来,我们已经很难找到可以豁免美国制裁的中国产品了。对中国而言,这已经是家常便饭了。

On the other hand, China barely touched anything American yet. Back bone of the US stock market, Apple, Tesla, Walmart, Microsoft, etc are still remain untouched at all. And there are so many ways to screw them especial China still produce over 80% Apple products and 50% Tesla not to mention revenues generated from China. At one point, China will start to test the impact of breaking these back bones, we can just simply claim a fire inspection to hault Tesla Shanghai’s production for a week or just a few days and test the impact to the US market, same thing for Apple.

另一方面,中国还没有对美国产品下手。苹果、特斯拉、沃尔玛、微软等美国股市的顶梁柱至今还没有受到影响。中国有很多法子可以用,尤其是现在,有超过80%的苹果产品和50%的特斯拉产品都是在中国生产的,更不用说从中国产生的收入了。也许到了某个时刻,中国也会开始试着对他们痛下狠手,很简单,我们只需要求进行防火检查,让特斯拉上海的生产线中断一周或几天,看看对美国市场有多大的影响,对苹果也可以如此。

So Tiktok is at best a pawn to China, I would say Tesla or Apple is more like a Bishop / even a Queen to the US. It’s not going to be the worst exchange we can make.

所以抖音充其量只是中国的棋子,而特斯拉和苹果更像是美国的大主教甚至女王。这绝不是我们能做的最糟糕的交易。

 

 

 

Desmond Tao

Huawei’s mobile phone business took a dip and had now been rebadged under Honor (still accessing Google). Huawei phones now on their own OS which I hope will be increasingly adopted by global apps. Huawei telecoms business definitely took a hit but I believe the TVs and Computing division are really picking up.. So pretty sure Bytedance have something up their sleeves.

华为的手机业务出现下滑,现在已被改成荣耀了(仍在使用谷歌生态)。华为手机现在有了自己的操作系统,我希望这些操作系统可以越来越多地被全球应用程序采用。华为的电信业务肯定受到了打击,但我相信电视和计算部门已经开始恢复。所以我很肯定,字节跳动也有自己的应对之策。

 

 

 

Joseph Boyle

Generally the President does sign bills that Congress passes. The alternative, vetoing the bill, is rare.

I doubt TikTok is going away. I’ll believe that when I see it.

通常情况下,总统会签署国会通过的法案。但是要否决法案,实属罕见。

我不相信抖音会被封杀。除非我亲眼所见,不然我不信。

 

 

 

Peter Kaye

Simple, the US isn’t all that important, TikTok still has the rest of the world, it’s just that US kids will miss out once again, because of their politicians paranoia. Do you really think TikTok or bytedance really care? Just like Huawei they will just keep doing their own thing and thumb their noses at Biden, he doesn’t matter one iota

很简单,美国也没有那么重要,抖音还有其他国家,只是美国孩子会因为美国政客的被害妄想症,再次错过抖音。你以为抖音或字节跳动真的在乎吗?就像华为一样,他们只会继续做好自己的事,对拜登嗤之以鼻,他啥也不是。

 

 

 

Nari Kyo(秋霞)

If this bill is successfully implemented, it will prove that the US is a dic ship that can ignore public opinion.

What will Americans do with a dicta rship?

如果法案成功实施,那么足以证明美国就是一个可以无视民意的独才国家。

美国人会怎么做呢?

 

 

 

Bill Chen

Tiktok, like Huawei, has been operating stateside for years. Unfortunately, both became too successful for their own good and reached industry-leading status.

Tiktok’s days are numbered, on NATIONAL SECURITY grounds, because the argument is business (especially tech) leadership = threat to America.

That is why iaomi/Vivo/Oppo does great business with Android and the playstore, but Huawei doesn’t.

和华为一样,抖音已经在美国运营多年了。不幸的是,抖音和华为都太过成功了,达到了行业领先的地位。

从国家安全的角度来看,抖音的好日子快到头了,因为美国人的理由就是商业(尤其是科技领导地位=对美国的威胁。

这就是为什么小米、Vivo、Oppo可以跟Android和playstore合作愉快,但华为不行的原因。

Tiktok has been trying in vain for years to ward off American political attack. In fact, the divestment of Tiktok from Bytedance has been publicly pushed since Donald’s first re-election campaign. For Joe to repeat Donald’s hustling means there is plenty of votes to be bought.

Tiktok is Chinese-owned, so it won’t step on any American tail—the ones that matter anyway. It’s the perfect sacrificial lamb to deliver another 4 years of Democrats holding sway.

多年来,抖音一直在努力抵挡美国的政治攻击,但都徒劳无功。事实上,自特朗普首次竞选连任以来,就一直在公开推动将抖音从字节跳动剥离。对拜登来说,重复特朗普的这项倡议意味着他可以获得大量选票。

抖音是中国企业,它不会危害到任何美国人的利益,而美国人的利益非常重要。抖音就是一只完美的待宰羔羊,可以让美国民 主党在接下来的4年里继续掌权。

At least Tiktok can tell the world with no pretense that it has made every effort to comply with exacting Federal demands, from corporate structure to data handling and countless audits and investigations.

The same legal and economic arguments made against Donald’s original attempt at forcing a Tiktok sale hasn’t changed—it will do more harm than good, to America. If the legislation comes to pass, Tiktok will leave the US, just like it has left India, because the Chinese government will block any sale reached by Bytedance.

至少抖音可以毫不掩饰地告诉全世界,它已经尽了一切努力来遵守联邦政府的严格要求,从企业结构到数据处理,还有数不胜数的审计和调查。

从特朗普最早试图强迫字节跳动出售抖音到现在,美国人提出的法律和经济理由一直没有改变,因为这对美国来说弊大于利。如果该法案获得通过,抖音将撤出美国市场,就像它撤出印度市场一样,因为中国会阻止字节跳动达成的一切出售协议。

I won’t be surprised if Tiktok’s data stateside gets seized or mined on the sly. But we won’t know the latter, at least publicly.

It’s just “might is right” and the scourge of power.

Nothing much to justify, or argue about.

If there is a lesson here, it’s not to set up shop in India or the US if you have world-beating technology. They will hustle you out of town if they can’t steal it.

如果抖音在美国的数据被偷偷扣押或挖掘,我也不会感到惊讶。但我们不会听到这种消息,至少在公开场合不会。

这就是"强权即公理"和权力的祸害。

没什么好辩解的,也没什么好争论的。

如果要说有什么教训,那就是如果你掌握了世界一流的技术,千万不要在印度或美国开展业务。如果他们不能把你的技术据为己有,就会把你赶出他们的地盘。

 

 

 

Chris Keath

It is exactly the US so-called forced technologies transfer.

The US secretary of commerce Gina Raimondo warned the world that:

这就是美国所谓的强制技术转让。

美国商务部长吉娜·雷蒙多曾警告全世界:

1). The US will remotely make billions of computers with the US softwares, apps etc screen blank all over the world.

2). The US will remotely switch off the Boeing airplanes engines, and jet fighters engines while in sky all over the world.

1). 美国将远程制造数十亿台带有美国软件、应用程序的电脑,让世界各地的电脑屏幕一片空白。

2) 美国将远程关闭在世界各国上空飞行的波音飞机和喷气式战斗机的引擎。

3). The US is remotely stealing and transmitting your iPhone data and can remotely crush billions of Apple iPhones all over the world.

4). The US will remotely detonate the US smart bombs and smart missiles you bought from the US in the world.

etc.

3). 美国正在远程窃取和传输你的iPhone数据,可以远程摧毁世界各地数十亿部苹果iPhone。

4). 美国将远程引爆你从美国购买的美国智能炸弹和智能导弹。

等等。

The US has demonstrated the ability by remotely shutting down its GPS and public SWIFT systems in some regions/countries and confisticated some countries private and government money.

It is a real threat. So stay away from the US products, apps, softwares etc, and take immediate actions now to secure your countries national securities.

美国已经通过远程关闭某些地区/国家的GPS和公共SWIFT系统,没收某些国家的私人财产和政府资金,展示美国的能力。

这是一个真正的威胁。所以,远离美国的产品、应用程序、软件等,立即采取行动保护你们国家的国家安全。

 

 

 

Rico. W

What the US government really want, is to control the source of media and information. It will be so much easier to brainwash the American people without free flow of information. However, it’s a wishful thinking, coz the damage is already done. The constantly lying behaviour of the US government has been largely exposed. The double standards of de ocracy, human right, freedom, or any other moral high grande has been vastly recognised. There is no ban of any social media can repair the damage.

The world has seen the real colour of the US Empire, there is no way to unseen it.

It is TOO LATE.

美国政府真正想要的是控制媒体和信息的来源。如果没有信息的自由流动,他们就可以轻轻松松地给美国人民洗脑了。但这只是一个一厢情愿的想法。美国政府不断撒谎的行为在很大程度上已经暴露了。全世界都知道了他们对人*、自由等的双重标准。社交媒体的封杀令都无法修复这种负面影响。

全世界都看到了美帝的真实面貌,没有办法视而不见。

太迟了。

 

 

 

KokHin Lim

China will take counter actions. It will force Apple to ask sell its shares to Chinese companies before it can continue being made in China at a third of the cost if it is made elsewhere!

中国将采取反制措施。可能会迫使苹果将股票出售给中国公司,换取继续在中国生产的授权,如果苹果在其他地方生产,成本将高达原来的三倍!

 

 

 

Feng Lu

The U.S. sanctions against Huawei have created an entire industry chain in which Huawei does not rely on U.S. technology.

美国对华为的制裁也促使华为打造了完全脱离美国技术的完整产业链。

 

 

 

Pete Okuhira

Let them (including Biden) do it. If Trump takes over the Oval Office and enforce this law with the “iron fist”, the U.S. will be the first country in the West to know the devastating consequences to their economy. Then what might or might not happen next, is Trump and his administration, along with the senate and the congress and possibly the Pentagon and the intelligence community and think tanks may resort to military actions against China. Or might do covert operations against China to destabilize the country from within.

让他们(包括拜登试试呗。如果特朗普入主总统办公室,真的采取“铁拳”政策,那么美国就会成为率先遭遇经济出现毁灭性后果的西方国家。接下来特朗普和他的政府、参议院和国会,甚至五角大楼、情报界和智库,可能会对中国采取军事行动,或者可能会对中国进行秘密行动,从内部破坏中国的稳定。

The fact is, China's economy is well intertwined with the rest of the world. There's no way that the U.S. and the rest of the western world countries will destroy or even damage China's economy. And if the U.S. does ban Tik Tok, guess who's going to stand up and fight against this ban? You guess it: the entire Generation Z

事实上,中国经济与世界其他地区紧密相连。美国和其他西方国家不可能摧毁甚至也无法损害中国经济。如果美国真的封杀抖音,猜猜谁会站出来反对这道封杀令?你猜对了:那就是整个Z世代新新人类群体。

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