India's ₹2,814 Crore Bet To Break China's Grip On Critical Minerals | FP Explains

印度砸下281.4亿卢比,试图打破中国对关键矿产的掌控

India's Union Cabinet has approved a ₹2,814 crore Capex Support Scheme to set up two lithium and two nickel processing plants over five years, as the country tries to reduce its near-total dependence on imported refined battery materials. So why does processing matter as much as mining, how tight is China's grip on this part of the supply chain, and can India really build a foothold of its own?

印度内阁已经批准一项 281.4 亿卢比的资本支出扶持计划,打算在五年内建成两座锂加工厂和两座镍加工厂。印度目前几乎完全依赖进口精炼电池原料,希望借此改变现状。那么,矿产冶炼加工为什么和采矿同等重要?中国在这条供应链上的掌控力究竟有多强?印度又能不能真正站稳脚跟?

以下是印度网友的评论:

yukld-kv5fs
Breaking a monopoly isn't easy; it requires significant investment and a willingness to incur losses. It also demands technological expertise.

打破中国的垄断没那么容易,既要投入巨额资金,也要做好承担亏损的准备,还得有过硬的技术积累。

 

JosephTin
India love to talk very ambitiously. I.e. talking BIG! Let's see India do it. We are all waiting. The world is watching. Wishing India every success.

印度总爱立下宏大的目标,说白了就是大话先说在前头!我们拭目以待,看印度能不能落地。全世界都在盯着,祝印度一切顺利。

 

dhadumia
Compare India's manufacturing capacity pre and post 2014
Mobile phones manufacturing and export
Defence manufacturing and export
AI development (Private and Defence sector collaborating on develo it secretly)
Quantum computer/communications - At par with the top 3 countries
Solar manufacturing - 2nd behind China

There are many other sectors where India has progressed enormously post 2014. You can do a research by yourself.

You will see where India stands in next 10-15 years time

对比一下2014年前后印度的制造能力:

手机生产与出口、

军工制造和出口、

人工智能研发(私企和军方正在秘密合作研发)、

量子计算与通信——已经跻身全球前三梯队、

光伏制造——仅次于中国,排第二。

2014年后,印度还有很多行业进步巨大,你可以自己去查资料。再过十到十五年,你就能看到印度的实力了。

INDIANSARESICKMENOFASIA
@dhadumia Please, no more Galgotias scam. Assembling goods is not manufacturing goods. India only assembles solar panels using Chinese machinery and components. Stop posturing.

 别再拿这种噱头忽悠人了。组装不等于制造。印度只是进口中国的设备和零件拼装光伏板,别再装模作样了。

 

NatrajRamamoorthy-d4s
Different countries - different mindset. We love to think big, talk big and achieve big...you have a problem with that, Mr. Chinaman? First, go and free your inte et without monitoring by so that people can communicate without any hassle. Lecture India later!

每个国家想法不一样。我们印度人就喜欢格局大、敢畅想、干大事。你有意见吗?中国人?先把你们的网络放开,让大家自由交流,再来教训印度吧!

INDIANSARESICKMENOFASIA
@NatrajRamamoorthy-d4s India is too big on ego and arrogance and too little on shame, humility, honesty, and substance.

你们 印度人的自尊心太强、太过傲慢,不会自省、不够谦逊、务实

garnuster7365
@NatrajRamamoorthy-d4s talk big but achieve small, in other words, bragging, that’s why india remains a laughing stock of the world for years

印度人 说得天花乱坠,成果寥寥无几,说白了就是吹牛。这也是为什么印度这么多年一直被外界当作笑柄。

NatrajRamamoorthy-d4s
@garnuster7365 Guess you have not visited India, son. Watching YouTube videos from people who visit India spending 1 dollar and believing their asinine comments is one thing. Experiencing India in person, is something else! As for India being a laughing stock, guess you are still living in 3rd century! You have not seen the progress that India has made. First, have a decent budget to spend, visit India in person and then make a judgement...rest assured, you wont be disappointed ! From what i gather from your comments, Pakistan suits your budget better. go there for a vacation!

看样子你没来过印度。别听网上说的,亲自来印度,你的感受会不一样!说印度是笑柄?你怕是还活在古代,根本没看见印度的发展。先攒点钱亲自过来看看再下结论,放心,我们印度不会让你失望的。看你发言,你的预算可能只够去巴基斯坦,去那边度假吧!

独孤月-r2t2s
​ @NatrajRamamoorthy-d4s Have you ever been to China?

 你去过中国吗?

 

Dan-d1s8k
Even if India has access to the abundance of lithium and nickel India still needs China's knowledge and technical know-how to build EV batteries which China rejects with a smile. That must be frustrating for India.

就算印度能拿到充足的锂矿、镍矿,造动力电池依旧离不开中国的技术,而中国会笑着拒绝提供技术。这肯定让印度很头疼。

dhadumia
True. But acknowledging a problem exsts is the first step towards addressing the problem. India lags not only in Lithium and Nickel processing capability but in many other sectors. However, India is turning the tide. Before 2014, India had negligible defence and electronics/phones export. In fact, for phones India imported about 85% of its phones for its people till recent times but now India not only meets its domestic requirements but is the 2nd largest global exporter of phones after China and our defence exports have been surging at record speed. So, hang on and let's talk about this in 5 years time.

没错。但承认问题,是解决问题的第一步。不光锂、镍冶炼加工,印度还有很多产业都落后于人,不过形势正在好转。2014年前,印度几乎没有军工和手机电子产品出口。就在不久前,印度85%的手机都靠进口,现在不仅能满足国内需求,还是全球第二大手机出口国,仅次于中国;军工出口也在高速增长。我们耐心等着,五年之后再来讨论这件事。

 

Lsy-j7m
China is "vishawaguru" in rare earth. India is still an apprentice.

中国是稀土领域的“世界导师”,印度还只是学徒。

 

Ni-f8j8c
The great 'announcement and timeline' Minister.

印度这位部长就擅长公布计划、画时间表。

 

F.Checker
Another BS to be independent just by saying!

又是嘴上喊着自主,空话一套。

 

teoeehuat8742
Country like US have to beg & knee down on China Rare Earth.
Because Refining of material is a major problem.

就连美国,在稀土这件事上都得向中国低头。原料冶炼提纯才是最大难关。

 

raylee5030
Isn't this the same minister that promised India would have AI models in 10 months!

这不就是那个承诺十个月内印度就能拿出AI大模型的部长吗!

 

activelistener4484
"India is prepared to wait 5 years - 50 years - 500 years.." -- Ajit Doval
Time is on our side. Keep yap whatever to let you sleep well at night.

阿吉特·多瓦尔说过:“印度愿意等五年、五十年,甚至五百年。”

时间站在我们这边。你们随便怎么说

 

dhadumia
Well, this is not a subsidy for the entire industry/market but for only setting up the factories. Once the factories are set up the factory owners will look after themselves. Besides, there are huge demands for these minerals so I'm pretty sure once the factories are established they will have huge orders/demands to fulfill which is currently procured from China

这笔钱不是给全行业补贴,只用来建厂。工厂建好之后,就得靠企业自己运营。而且这类矿产原料需求很大,我相信厂子建成之后不愁订单,我们现在都是从中国采购的。

francisiiman9932
@dhadumia Do you have any realistic idea of how much capital is required just to set up ONE lithium or nickel refining plant?

You can't buy an entire fine-dining restaurant fully stocked with master chefs and culinary engineers for the price of a cup of coffee.

Capital is only the tip of the iceberg. The real bottlenecks are proprietary technology, complex chemical engineering, specialized equipment, and operational know-how. You can't expect a kindergarten toddler to deadlift 200 pounds just because there's a demand for it.

你真的清楚,单独建一座锂或者镍冶炼厂要多少钱吗?

想用一杯咖啡的钱,买下一家配齐大厨和研发团队的高端餐厅,根本不可能。

这点资金只是杯水车薪。真正卡脖子的是专利技术、复杂化工工艺、专用设备和运营经验。不能只因为市场有需求,就指望幼儿园小孩硬拉起200磅的重量。

francisiiman9932
@dhadumia There's an old Chinese saying: 'Think thrice before you speak.' It seems your minister only speaks and never thinks.

中国有句老话:三思而后行。你们这位部长好像只会放话,根本不深思。

 

urwithharsh
Nothing would happen, all would go to corruption as usual !
Squeeze tax from middle class and eat that money in corruption under different schemes.. all Political parties are same.

最后什么成果都不会有,钱照旧被贪掉!从中产身上收税,借着各种项目名目中饱私囊,所有政党都一个德行。

 

airrodgers1242
mean while in China they moving to LFP no ni needed and sodium battery no lithium needed

与此同时,中国已经转向磷酸铁锂电池,不需要镍;还有钠离子电池,不需要锂。

 

vishalchoudhury7174
Ambani is already funding companies working on sodium ion tech, mr smart ass.

安巴尼已经在投资钠离子电池相关企业了,别自作聪明。

carholic-sz3qv
@vishalchoudhury7174 blablabla!!!! Actions is what matters! Talking is just useless! When China says something it does it!

 光说没用!要看实际行动!中国说要做什么就一定能做成!

 

ThomasThomas-y8f
False narrative boast
From this minister nothing will work out in the end

纯属夸大宣传。这位部长提出的项目,最后大概率不会实现

 

ndukasmith
What is the point of having a fake Neighbor that is trying to upend you at every corner? I don't remember China. Saying that they were trying to break up India's grip on the. IT and service industry........ A lot of people lost jobs in the West because all those service. And IT jobs went to India. And Indians.

有这么一个处处跟你较劲的邻居有什么意思?我从没听过中国说要打破印度在IT服务业上的优势。很多西方人丢了工作,就是因为这些IT和服务岗位流向了印度。

 

roshan.kalwar_official
Honey bees and public subsidy amount must dilute and use for defence only.

补贴资金不该分散,应当全部投入国防领域。

 

Anil_Dikshit
India will break USA's grip on Youtube, Instagram, Intel, A.I., Boeing, etc
Bangladesh will break India's grip on Call Centres and Bollywood !

印度会打破美国在油管、Ins、英特尔、人工智能、波音等领域的垄断。

孟加拉国则会抢走印度的呼叫中心和宝莱坞的优势!

 

JLDaDragon
Lip service itself won't get you anywhere, so it's no use trying.

只靠嘴上喊口号成不了事,折腾也没用。

 

angelosupsup3726
Philippines 2nd largest cobalt and nickle in the world. Few months ago uranuim is been discovered around camarines
We have abundant of coal, a lot in panay islands and semirara instead we prefered to buy from indonesia.
Largest discovered of copper in mindanao regions.

菲律宾的钴、镍储量全球第二。几个月前,卡马里内斯地区还发现了铀矿。我们煤炭储量充足,班乃岛、塞米拉拉岛都有大量煤,却宁愿从印尼进口。棉兰老地区还发现了超大铜矿。

 

GlobalGyanDecode
Achha topic uthaya! Isi tarah ka ek aur angle maine apne channel Global Gyan Decode par explain kiya hai: China 1978 se Factory of the World kaise bana. Dekhna, aapko pasand aayega

从另一个角度讲解过:中国从1978年开始,是怎么一步步成为世界工厂的

 

wongpeter8744
Lithium and nickel is not critical minerals actually, they are easy to produce products

锂和镍其实算不上关键矿产,加工门槛不算高。

 

lastpoet1
it is not depend it is catching up. hey keep going maybe u can perfect it we will need them for space and earth. also it will give that boost ur economy needs. when was the last time u created something on ur own for the earth. u have all these tec engineers who could in theory get new training in different tec cause they should be able to understand the math or take all the math guys training and working on new ideas or perfecting old ones. start testing across the country and get them all together to start the new system.

这不叫依赖,这叫追赶。加油,说不定你们能把技术打磨成熟。航天、民用领域都需要这些材料,也能拉动你们的经济。你们多久没有独立研发出能惠及世界的东西了?你们有不少工程师,理论上可以接受新技术培训,他们能吃透相关数理知识。集中数学人才,钻研新思路、优化现有技术,在全国铺开测试,搭建全新产业链体系。

 

mknndvcvv
3 years ago India claimed it's would soon become a Lithium Superpower because a huge lithium reserves was founded in J&K. End-up it is just a hot air.

三年前,印度宣称查谟克什米尔发现巨型锂矿,很快就能成为锂资源强国,到头来是一场空