你绝对想不到，要想抗衡中国，我们美国究竟需要多少架F‑47战机

You Won't BELIEVE How many F-47's Are Needed to Beat China

你绝对想不到，要想抗衡中国，究竟需要多少架F‑47战机。

A bombshell Mitchell Institute report warns the USAF needs at least 200 B-21 Raiders and 300 F-47 NGAD fighters to deny China operational sanctuaries and win a Taiwan war—double current plans amid Beiing's massive buildup. Ex-F-15/F-16 pilot Ryan Bodenheimer breaks down the stealth deep dives, A2/AD tactics, and a realistic escalation scenario in this high-energy defense tech deep dive.

米切尔研究所一份重磅报告发出警告：美国空军至少需要200架B‑21突袭者轰炸机和300架F‑47 NGAD下一代战机，才能剥夺中国的作战安全区域，并在台海冲突中获胜。面对中国大规模军力建设，这一需求是现有计划的两倍。

前F‑15/F‑16飞行员瑞安·博登海默详细解析了隐身突防、反介入/区域拒止战术，以及现实可能的冲突升级场景，带来一场高能的国防科技深度分析。

以下是各国网友的评论：

JuneyP17
I mean you don’t get a bigger budget by saying we’re all set

你要是说装备已经够用了，那就别想申请到更多预算。

longshot7601
The study must have been sponsored by Northrop Grumman and Boeing.

这份研究报告肯定是诺斯罗普·格鲁曼和波音公司出钱赞助的。

timr7143
They did the same thing with the alleged “missile gap” that was portrayed during the Cold War but was far from reality.

冷战时期他们就搞过所谓“导弹差距”的把戏，现在又来这一套，根本和现实差得很远。

nipalife2391
@timr7143 It's better to go to war with more than you need than to go to war needing more than you have.

打仗的时候装备多到用不完，也比打到一半发现装备不够用要强得多。

boyeatsworld-vr9ci
You also can't beat China unless you have the arms to do so

没有足够的军事力量，你根本就不可能打赢中国。

TarnekepPortree
How far would it go back to the world war ii's strategy of building a lot of what's good over a few of what's perfect. The last guy obsessed with super weapons lost world war. two

这简直是退回到了二战思路：与其造几件所谓完美的武器，不如大量生产实用可靠的装备。上一个沉迷超级武器的人，最后输掉了第二次世界大战。

BillDoughzer69
What would you rather ? Not build and risk it or build it and risk it ? Power is power

你更愿意选哪种？不造装备去赌运气，还是造好装备再去面对风险？实力就是硬道理。

QuangDo-b9r
Wait. I thought Gordon Chang and other China hawks said China is collapsing, , China's missiles are filled with water.

等等，我记得章家敦这些对华强硬派不是一直说吗？中国快要崩溃了，中国的导弹里装的都是水。

Mytriumph650pre-unit
It's always a great idea to let your enemy know that you have a shortage of anything.

主动让对手知道自己缺这缺那，这做法简直蠢得不行。

KittyKittyCat-vf8zd
The military industrial complex just creates another excuse for money.

军工复合体只不过是又在找新借口要钱而已。

patmiller9388
Brought to you by the military industrial complex

这完完全全就是军工复合体搞出来的借口。

nosajimiki5885
I think someone forgot to count the Growlers and F-35s. This is a pure budget grab.

我看他们是故意不算上电子战飞机和F-35战机，这纯粹就是在抢预算。

ousinbilly1259
Kind of like having a gun in the house..I’d rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

这就跟家里放一把枪是一个道理，我宁愿有了用不上，也不要等到要用的时候却没有。

elypearl826
They need to bring out the UFOs.

他们干脆把不明飞行物都拿出来用算了。

davegaetano7118
Can we please have another reminder that the totality of China's military buildup was paid for by the huge trade deficit that we have run and continue to run with China?

我必须再提醒大家一句，中国扩军的资金，全都来自我们对中国长期且还在持续的巨额贸易逆差。

blainesitter9110
America needed a strong enemy after Russia hit the Vodka in the 1990's

自从90年代俄罗斯衰落之后，美国就急需树立一个强大的敌人。

jamskinner
That’s why we need a concerted effort to decouple as quickly as possible. Push this publically.

所以我们必须齐心协力，尽快和中国脱钩，并且公开推动这件事。

brian.z6592
@jamskinner even Marco Rubio said it'll unrealistically to decouple with China, we need to learn how to survive with another strong country, China is not another Soviet Union, it's just like another America.

就算是马尔科·鲁比奥也说过，和中国脱钩根本不现实。我们必须学会和另一个强存，中国不是第二个苏联，它更像是另一个美国。

kc2213
@brian.z6592 China is NOTHING like the US. It doesn't go around bombing small countries conducting regime change, and supporting genocides while lecturing other countries on human ri hts.

中国和美国完全不一样，中国不会到处轰炸小国、搞政权更迭，不会一边支持种族灭绝，一边还对别的国家指手画脚。

gujg2010
do you forget it is not you paid it is waht you need it to support your dialiy life from underwear to phones, computers, car parts, industry componts. how do you find alternative to support your life without pay to china?

你难道忘了吗？你从中国买的不是可有可无的东西，而是生活必需品，从内衣、手机、电脑到汽车零件、工业配件全都离不开。不跟中国买，你根本找不到替代品维持正常生活。

poorsport213
Make no mistake, WW3 is about gaining complete control of the masses.

别搞错了，第三次世界大战的真正目的，是为了彻底控制普通民众。

yanturner8318
I really don’t like that it’s hard to tell if anything is truly real info or news vs just speculation and garbage

我特别讨厌现在这种情况，根本分不清哪些是真实信息，哪些只是胡乱猜测和垃圾消息。

AcM.5233
Well, the F47s are coming with 1200 unmaned multi role drone jets as well

F-47战机还会搭配1200架多用途无人战斗机一起投入使用。

ak47-007
Claiming bankruptcy is a more likely coming .... noticed the poverty and drug issues alone with massive wealth redistribution in the US. How many of you guys ho for a war are living in a penthouse with a billion dollars in your bank account ? , the ones sending you to war are ..... they are not dumb enough to die in the south China sea but you just might be ? think about it!

美国更有可能先走向破产，看看国内的贫困问题、毒品问题，还有严重的贫富分化。你们这些天天喊打仗的人，有几个是住在豪宅里、银行里存着几十亿的？把你们送上战场的那些人，才不会傻到去南海送死，真正可能去送命的是你们自己，好好想想吧。

juliansilva5272
@ak47-007 "noticed the poverty and drug issues alone with massive wealth redistribution in the US" Nothing different than what was going on in the 60's-80's. Ironically, war is what kept the country afloat.

美国现在的贫困、毒品和贫富分化问题，和60到80年代没什么区别。讽刺的是，战争反而成了维持这个国家运转的手段。

kellerb9579
Don't worry. The next de ocratic president will cancel whatever fighter program launched by a republican president.

放心好了，下一届民主党总统上台，肯定会把共和党推出的所有战机项目全部取消。

Willinform
China bluffs with their water filled missiles

中国就是在虚张声势，他们的导弹里装的都是水。

precisionleadthrowing4628
Not really, they were building weapon systems and traitors on our side were building cycling paths and sending them industry, money and let them into academia to spy

根本不是这样，中国在全力打造武器系统，而我们这边的叛徒却在忙着修自行车道，把产业、资金拱手送给中国，还让他们进入学术机构进行间谍活动。

tydf229
Of course, China would be patiently waiting for the full deployment of all 500 new gen aircrafts around its border for sure. lol

中国当然会耐心等着美国把500架新一代战机全部部署到它周边，简直是笑话。

Realcjs
We’re basically ignoring what we learned in wwii.

我们现在基本上把二战学到的教训全都抛在脑后了。

MrBigblacksock
Our politicians are only worried about personal financial enrichment.

我们的政客只关心怎么给自己捞钱。

colinf.1198
that many jets, but how many experienced trained pilots?

战机数量是够了，可又有多少经验丰富、训练有素的飞行员呢？

toobigtofail4908
Wonder how many people who wrote this report own stocks in the military industrial complex?

真想知道写这份报告的人里，有多少人持有军工复合体的股票。

victorasul
DO NOT provoke or fight CHINA over Taiwan. Work together to be the best in the world.

不要为了台湾问题挑衅中国，不要和中国开战，我们两国应该携手合作，共同成为世界顶尖强国。

CornPopWazABadDude
Exactly. Imagine starting WW3 over a tiny island nation. Death and suffering for the entire world, over that tiny island is literally insane.

说得对，想想看，就为了一个小岛发动第三次世界大战，让全世界都陷入死亡和苦难，就为这么个小岛，简直是疯了。

featherychou2805
Middle powers couldn't be happier if the two great powers fight against each other.

如果中美两个大国打起来，那些中等国家最高兴了。

keyboardmanyoutube3189
only if that gives them a chance to gaining some benefits but I am pretty sure two great power also acknowledge that and could swap the world together

除非他们能从中捞到好处，但我相信中美两个大国都明白这一点，完全可以一起主导世界。

terrydawley3402
We have things that nobody even knows about.

我们手里还有很多别人根本不知道的秘密武器。

larrycameron8826
I do not underestimate the USA war machine.

我从来不会低估美国的战争机器。

wy3131
Yes, never underestimate the US war machine, how they can continue to win battles and lose the war… From Vietnam to Iraq and Afghanistan. The only thing the US war machines are good for is against small weak countries. Otherwise a militarily weak China fought to a stalemate against the US back in early 1950s, now, good luck and keep dreaming! One more thing, China is the only country that has fought every other member on the UN Security Council and not have lost in the last 80 years. Think about it!

没错，永远别低估美国战争机器，他们最擅长的就是打赢一场场小战斗，却输掉整场战争。从越南到伊拉克、阿富汗都是如此。美国战争机器也就只能欺负弱小国家。当年军事落后的中国都能和美国打得不分胜负，现在更是可想而知，祝你们好运，继续做梦吧。还有一点，中国是过去80年里，唯一一个和联合国安理会所有常任理事国都交过手且没有输过的国家，好好想想吧。

larjam3866
China counts their fishing boats as part of their Navy. All their weapons have false promises and can't deliver. They copy our weapons but don't have the tech that make them for show only.

中国把渔船都算进海军力量里，他们所有武器都是吹嘘出来的，根本达不到宣传效果。只会抄袭我们的武器，却没有核心技术，只能拿来装样子。

teddeebayre3433
The last time their was a build-up like this it didn't end well for the builders. We waited until the last minute but came through by hunkering down

上一次出现这样大规模扩军的时候，搞扩军的一方最后下场都不好。我们就算等到最后一刻，只要沉住气也能挺过去。

unknown-zc8be
I have no idea where we are going to get the infrastructure to build 200 more 6th generation platforms.

我真想不明白，我们要去哪里找足够的工业基础和设施，来再造200架第六代战机。

Ben_the_Ignorant
How many F-47's were needed to destroy chinese weaponry in Venezuela? Zero.

要摧毁中国在委内瑞拉的武器装备，需要多少架F-47？答案是零架。

aphil4581
If u don't know the air force still has small shuttles going back and forth to deep space still. I have heard there are plans for secret space platforms to be built for offensive purposes. We also have produced 700 F-35's on its way to 1000 soon. There still in full production right now with every country in the nonco unist world wanting more after Venezuela. They sneak in and message back to missile trucks where and when to launch missiles at a safe distance We need to take more for the USAF.

你可能还不知道，美国空军至今还有小型航天飞机在深空往返执行任务。我还听说有计划建造用于进攻的秘密太空平台。我们已经生产了700架F-35，很快就会突破1000架，目前还在全力生产。委内瑞拉事件之后，所有非*主义国家都想增加采购。这些战机能悄悄潜入目标区域，给导弹车传回坐标，让他们在安全距离发动攻击。我们必须为美国空军争取更多资源。

herewego_g
aside from providing open-source intelligence, think tanks are founded by the very people who have financial interests in that area. It may be true, that we need more of something, but also true that the beneficiaries of this conclusion will be connected to the think tank.

这些智库除了提供开源情报之外，本身就是由在相关领域有经济利益的人设立的。就算我们真的需要更多装备，得出这个结论的受益者，也一定和这些智库脱不了关系。

KenHelmick-r7r
Are these the same people who, back in the late 60's, claimed that we were far behind the Soviets because their MiG-25s were ultra-maneuverable super-fighters?

是不是还是同一批人，在60年代末说苏联的米格-25是超机动战机，我们已经远远落后苏联？

flossordie2256
This feels like that time everyone said we needed a 1T military budget to beat Russia, and then it turned out Russia's equipment had wheels that melt in the sun, and no fuel.

这感觉就像当年所有人都说我们需要上万亿美元军费才能打败俄罗斯，结果却发现俄罗斯装备的轮子能被太阳晒化，还没有燃油。

johnshepard7630
They want a bigger budget. Absurd

他们就是想要更多预算而已，太荒谬了。

DrivingInFocus
We need to build war machines like car companies build cars, minus all the recalls obviously.

我们造战争机器，应该像汽车厂造汽车一样流水线生产，当然要把召回问题去掉。

MrRingai
Australian govt is a bunch of clowns. Second only to uk.

澳大利亚政府就是一群小丑，仅次于英国。

Max-zv1bu
Australia is just seeking some attention in geopolitics, by being confrontational with China. I hope they don't get ruined by getting involved in unnecessary military conflicts.

澳大利亚只是想通过对抗中国，在地缘政治里刷存在感。我希望他们不要因为卷入不必要的军事冲突而把自己毁掉。

davidyu3815
Forget it. You can't beat China.

别想了，你们根本打不赢中国。