China unveiled its next gen, futuristic tank - Here's a deep analysis
中国新一代颇具有未来感的坦克亮相 —— 深度解析来了
China showed off a brand new main battle tank, expected to replace a large portion of China’s current tank inventory.
中国展示了一款全新的主战坦克,这款坦克预计大量取代中国现役坦克。
For years, rumors circulated about the new Chinese tank. It turns out that one of the earliest leaked photos matches the final design. Now, with parade rehearsals underway, the tarps have come off, and the new tank is quite an interesting machine. First off, it's not exactly small compared to the Type 99, China's heavy tank—it is about 10% shorter. Another comparison with scaled images shows a similarly wide hull, though that includes the thick side armor modules of the new tank. Height-wise, it's roughly equal to the Type 99A at the turret roof level. These figures are approxmate (within a few decimeters), but clearly, this is not a small tank. Its track width and length are about 10% narrower and shorter than those on the Type 99.
Tanks tend to aim for similar ground pressure, so track contact area offers clues to weight. If designed for low ground pressure like the original Soviet T-72, it might weigh around 40 metric tons. But as tanks have generally grown heavier over time without much track compensation, a weight of 45–50 metric tons is a more likely estimate. That would make it heavier than a T-72 and China's own Type 96, similar to the T-90, and a bit lighter than the late-model Leopard 2.
多年来,关于中国新型坦克的传闻一直不断。如今证实,最早流出的其中一张照片与最终设计完全吻合。随着阅兵彩排的推进,坦克上的篷布已被揭开,这款新装备的亮点也逐渐清晰。首先,与中国的重型坦克 99 式相比,它并不算小 —— 只是长度缩短了约 10%。通过等比例图像对比可见,两款坦克的车体宽度相近(不过新坦克的宽度包含了厚重的侧装甲模块);在高度上,以炮塔顶部为基准,新坦克与 99A 式大致相当。这些数据虽有几分米的误差(属于估算范围),但显然这款坦克绝非 “轻型”。其履带的宽度和长度,比 99 式窄了约 10%、短了约 10%。
坦克设计通常会追求相近的接地压力,因此履带接触面积可作为估算重量的线索。若参考苏联原版 T-72 坦克的低接地压设计,这款新坦克的重量可能在 40 吨左右。但随着时代发展,坦克普遍增重,而履带面积的补偿幅度有限,因此更可能的重量范围是 45-50 吨。这个重量使其比 T-72 和中国自研的 96 式坦克更重,与 T-90 相近,略轻于后期型号的 “豹 2” 坦克。
以下是各国网友的评论:
Raven-lo4wm
WW3 is going to be peak!
第三次世界大战怕是要打到最激烈的程度了!
fredsaga3708
Basically its 105mm gun serves as the auxlliary weapon for its weapon station. Tank dynamics has completely changed.
本质上,它的105毫米火炮是武器站的辅助武器。坦克的作战逻辑已经彻底变了。
stone1227
I doubt America can even afford a war with China, given that China's industrial capacity is 20x bigger and America is already $37 trillion in debt
我都怀疑美国打得起和中国的战争吗?要知道中国的工业产能是美国的20倍,而美国已经欠了37万亿美元的债了。
AlexanderJuliusK6
Four-sided phased array radar, intelligent active defense system, helmet-mounted sighting and attack, unmanned turret, and extended-range hybrid system—that's the visible part. The invisible parts (such as new intelligent ammunition that doubles the power of shells) may be even more terrifying. This is a true fourth-generation tank.
四面相控阵雷达、智能主动防御系统、头盔式观瞄攻击设备、无人炮塔、增程混合动力系统——这些都是能看到的部分。那些看不到的部分(比如能让炮弹威力翻倍的新型智能弹药)可能更吓人。这才是真正的第四代坦克。
xaozhong5198
there is more futuristic weapons coming on 3rd of Sep. Honestly,As a chinese and a fan of millitary, i seriously thinking those weapons are made for fighting Aliens
9月3号还会有更多未来感武器亮相。说实话,作为一个中国人,也是个军事迷,我真觉得这些武器像是用来打外星人的。
danwelterweight4137
If Aliens can travel millions of light years to us here there is no way our technology is anything close to anything they have
要是外星人能穿越几百万光年来到地球,我们这点技术跟他们比,根本就不是一个量级的。
MillardFeelmore
Modern 105mm darts at ludicrous velocities will still get the same job done.
现代105毫米脱壳穿甲弹速度快得离谱,照样能完成任务。
billy-n4j
...and a minute HE filler, making it almost useless in most situations... Taking a 105 apfsds against MBT frontal armor seems to be your idea of a good time, but my money is on the MBT, and not the "light" mountain tank.
而且高爆弹药(HE)装药量少得可怜,大部分情况下几乎没用。你觉得用105毫米脱壳穿甲弹(APFSDS)去打主战坦克(MBT)的正面装甲是个好主意?但我赌主战坦克能赢,而不是这个“轻型”山地坦克。
CyberPanda-yl1db
Bloggers and many ppl in the comments section don't seem to understand what systematic warfare is. It's just a unit of the PLA
博主和评论区里很多人好像都不懂什么是体系作战。这坦克只是中国人民解放军作战体系里的一个单元而已。
asdfghjasd-p6g
Please make a comparison, can 20 j10c destroy the entire indian air force
求对比分析,20架歼-10C能摧毁整个印度空军吗?
qiu7318
yes, they can.
能,肯定能。
xushenxn
when this tank appears, there is no 100mm above weapon in 5 miles radius.
这款坦克出现的地方,方圆5英里内不会有100毫米以上口径的武器能存活。
believeingood5875
Those who worry that China's new tanks may forget that China is the world's largest producer of Drones, and its production capacity far exceeds that of the second place by more than 10 times. At present, Guangdong Province produces about 500,000 Droness every month. There are at least 10 provinces with the same industrial capacity in China. No tank from any other country can live to see this new tank from China in the battle field.
那些担心中国新坦克的人,可能忘了中国是世界上最大的无人机生产国,产能比第二名高出10倍还多。现在广东省每个月大概能生产50万架无人机,中国至少还有10个省份有同样的产能。在战场上,其他国家的坦克根本没机会见到这款中国新坦克(就会被摧毁)。
bryanblaze_
Drones are making tanks obsolete imo
在我看来,无人机正在淘汰坦克。
P3RF3CTD3ATH
Not when you're the manufacturing superpower of the world and make all the drones for yourself anyway
可要是你是世界制造业超级大国,所有无人机都能自己造,情况就不一样了。
chrysllerryu4171
its not an MBT, its a LIGHT TANK, its easy to transport to taiwan than heavier MBT
这不是主战坦克(MBT),是轻型坦克。比起更重的主战坦克,它更容易运到台湾地区。
gjbsas
In my opinion, the future battlefield of the tank is a weapon responsible for propulsion and support. It is basically unnecessary to cover and suppress the firepower. The threat and damage caused by a Rainbow 4 drone are stronger than any tank in the world. China's 105-caliber armor-piercing bomb can already destroy any armored vehicles and tanks in the world, so there is no need to equip a larger and heavier gun barrel!
在我看来,未来战场上的坦克是负责推进和支援的武器,基本上不用承担火力压制任务。彩虹-4无人机造成的威胁和破坏,比世界上任何坦克都强。中国的105毫米穿甲弹已经能摧毁世界上任何装甲车辆和坦克了,没必要装更大更重的炮管!
stc2828
So China secretly started mass producing MBT with no turret crew first
这么说中国已经在偷偷量产无人炮塔主战坦克了?而且是第一个这么做的?
tyrannosauruswrecks5904
China is once again ahead of everyone, just like their 6 gen fighter programs. The next war will be fought with ai, drones and robots. The old school heavy tanks would be destroyed without even seeing where the enemies are. Just like J-10C's with next gen PL-15 shot down Rafales with AWACS support, where Rafales didn't even see them coming.
中国又一次走在所有人前面了,就像他们的第六代战斗机项目一样。下次战争会用人工智能、无人机和机器人来打。那些老式重型坦克连敌人在哪儿都没看见,就会被摧毁。就像搭载新一代PL-15导弹的歼-10C,在预警机(AWACS)支援下击落“阵风”战斗机那样——“阵风”连对手的影子都没看到。
hotdstoneynonononono2225
They why is the export forms of all these weapons not chosen by other nations to arm themselves, why choose Russian, US, Swedish, or Dutch. All of the nations listed sell more weapons than china, some singularly double china, Sweden sells 1 billion worth each year alone. China total sales last year are only ~400$ million of mostly small arms and artillery shells to Russia, there is currently not one nation except China that uses Chinese armor, and the only nation with jet sales just canceled (Pakistan) for Russian exports.
那为什么这些武器的出口型号没被其他国家选来列装呢?为啥他们选俄罗斯、美国、瑞典或者荷兰的武器?上面说的这些国家,武器销量都比中国高,有的甚至是中国的两倍。瑞典光一年就卖10亿美元的武器。中国去年的武器销售额总共才约4亿美元,而且大部分是卖给俄罗斯的轻武器和炮弹。现在除了中国自己,没有任何国家用中国的装甲装备;唯一买中国战斗机的国家(巴基斯坦),最近也取消订单转买俄罗斯的了。
xphoid2011
I think this is only an intermediate stop gap at best. The future is fully autonomous. Why put 3 humans in harms way in an expensive piece of equipment if the same could be done without it? As Ukraine has clearly pointed out, it doesn't matter how advanced the tank is (be it old cheap soviet one, or more modern wester ones), they are just easy targets for focus drone attack, where few thousand or at most tens of thousands of dollars will all but guarantee a kill of a multimillion dollar tank. The future rests with cheap autonomous, moderately armored (maybe against small arms only), platforms that can a smaller number of large caliber rounds
我觉得这款坦克顶多算是个过渡产品。未来的趋势是完全自主化。既然不用人也能完成任务,为啥要把三个人放在昂贵的装备里冒险呢?就像乌克兰战场清楚显示的那样,坦克再先进(不管是老旧廉价的苏联坦克,还是更现代化的西方坦克),都很容易成为无人机集中攻击的目标——花几千美元,最多几万美元,几乎肯定能摧毁一辆价值数百万美元的坦克。未来的方向是廉价自主平台:装甲不用太厚(可能只防轻武器),但能发射少量大口径弹药。
Peizxcv
NATO tanks are simply too big, heavy, and expensive to field in large number in a world war setting.
北约的坦克太过大、太重、太贵了,在世界大战级别的场景里,根本没法大规模部署。
remliqa
So it's an MBT with a light tank weapon ?
这么说它是一款装了轻型坦克武器的主战坦克?
joelau2383
Nothing fight alone these days. I am sure it would be supported by drones or NLOS missiles to take out enemy MBT, it only need to hold the line.
现在没有任何装备是单打独斗的。我敢肯定,这款坦克会有无人机或非视距导弹支援,用来摧毁敌方主战坦克,它自己只需要守住防线就行。
iupring
China produces everything from cheap to high-end products. You're poor, so you can only buy cheap Chinese goods, but the Chinese military is not. Judging by this tank, your country can't even produce it, let alone copy it. That's the gap between you and China, let alone mass production. I don't want to destroy your Western pride, but I hope you can save some face and not be beaten by the Chinese weapons you call garbage in a real confrontation.
中国从廉价到高端的产品都能造。你穷,所以只能买中国的廉价货,但中国军队可不一样。单看这款坦克,你们国家连造都造不出来,更别说仿制了。这就是你和中国的差距,量产就更不用提了。我不想打击你们西方人的自豪感,但希望你们留点面子,别在真正的对抗中,被你们口中的“垃圾”中国武器打败。
chlim9478
Don't underestimate that 105mm, it still can wrought damage if use correctly.
别小看那105毫米火炮,用得好照样能造成重创。
robertgittings8662
You can see how easily that language play into the quality of the videos chinese have confirmed many times that's the new tank has helmet see through vision goggles
中国人已经多次证实,这款新坦克配备了头盔式透视观瞄镜。
AlphaAurora
Considering terrain in Asia, most engagements will probably be BVR with drones hitting tanks, or short range where 105mm is more than sufficient. So may as well go for more mobility. Makes sense considering expeditionary needs and mobility restrictions in East Asia. Only issue is power generation for future electronic systems IMO.
考虑到亚洲的地形,大部分作战场景要么是无人机超视距(BVR)打击坦克,要么是近距离作战——而105毫米火炮在近距离完全够用。所以不如追求更高的机动性。结合远征需求和东亚地区的机动限制来看,这逻辑是合理的。在我看来,唯一的问题是未来电子系统的供电问题。
biboloxo
According to Chinese sources, the new tank ammunition that will be used on this tank has a penetration value equal to that of the 125 mm gun of the Russians. This tank doesn't lack firepower at all.
根据中国方面的消息,这款坦克将使用的新型坦克弹药,穿深和俄罗斯125毫米火炮的弹药相当。这款坦克根本不缺火力。
TerraNova_1000
Tanks in general may go the way of the horse. Drones on the other hand… China showcased a mosquito size surveillance drone. In the future, think of an AI like Skynet controlling massive drone swarms.
总的来说,坦克可能会像马一样被时代淘汰。但无人机就不一样了,中国已经展示过蚊子大小的侦察无人机了。未来,可能会出现像“天网”那样的人工智能,操控大规模无人机蜂群。
kevint.8553
Who does China think they're going to fight with MBTs? What mission are they planned for?
中国觉得自己要用主战坦克跟谁打?这些坦克计划执行什么任务?
ngelarch5352
rofl!!! china copied the USA and built their own M-10 Booker... but the USA figured out it was a bad idea and cancelled it at the last moment. Now china is stuck making their copy, ahhhh hahaha! Syke chinese dumbasses!
哈哈!中国抄袭美国,造出了自己的“M-10布克”轻型坦克。结果美国发现这主意不行,最后关头取消了这个项目。现在中国可惨了,还在量产这个抄袭货,哈哈哈!蠢货中国人!
adamromanowicz7221
Same thing happened with russia and usa with f-15 made to combat mig-25. Mig-25 turned out to be crap and f-15 turned out to be the best plane in it's time. Usa is over.
俄罗斯和美国之前也有过类似情况:美国造F-15战斗机,是为了对抗俄罗斯的米格-25。结果米格-25就是个垃圾,而F-15成了当时最棒的战斗机。现在美国不行了。
mostlygibberish
Most China's next gens are command platforms rather than weaponry by themselves.
中国大多数新一代装备,本身更像是指挥平台,而不只是武器。
thefunniestfritz
Comparing Chinese tanks to Israeli tanks is anti-semitic. America’s greatest ally would never export technology like this to America’s greatest enemy
把中国坦克和以色列坦克对比就是反犹行为。美国最重要的盟友以色列,绝不会把这种技术出口给美国最大的敌人(中国)。
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