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印度最高法院拒绝同性婚姻合法化

India's top court declines to legalise same-sex marriage

印度最高法院拒绝同性婚姻合法化

 

 

NEW DELHI, Oct 17 (Reuters) - India's top court on Tuesday declined to legalise same-sex marriage and left it to parliament to decide, agreeing with Prime Minister Narendra Modi's government that the legislature is the right forum to rule on the contentious issue.

新德里10月17日(路透社)—印度最高法院周二拒绝同性婚姻合法化,交由议会决定,并表示支持总理莫迪政府的观点,即立法机构才适合对这一有争议的问题进行裁决。

The unanimous order by a five-judge bench came as a huge disappointment to the large LGBTQ community in the world's most populous country, five years after the court scrapped a colonial-era ban on gay sex.

这个由五名法官组成的法庭一致通过的裁决令这个全球人口第一大国的庞大同性恋群体感到非常失望。五年前,最高法院曾废除了殖民时期对同性恋的禁令。

There was no immediate response from the government to the court ruling but Modi's nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) administration had opposed petitions to the court on the issue, saying same-sex marriage is not "comparable with the Indian family unit concept of a husband, a wife and children".

政府没有立即对法院的裁决作出回应,但莫迪的印度人民党政府反对就此问题向法院提出请愿,称同性婚姻“无法与由丈夫、妻子和孩子组成的印度家庭单位概念相提并论”。

The court decision came in response to more than a dozen petitions filed since last year. The bench, headed by Chief Justice D.Y. Chandrachud, heard arguments in April and May and pronounced its verdict on Tuesday.

法院的该份裁决是对去年以来收到的十几份请愿书的回应。由首席大法官钱德拉楚德领导的最高法院在4月和5月听取了辩论,并于周二宣布了判决。

Chandrachud said there was a degree of "agreement and a degree of disagreement on how far we have to go" on same-sex marriage.

钱德拉楚德说,我们在同性婚姻问题上,“要走多远”存在一定程度的“共识和不同程度的分歧”。

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以下是美国reddit网友的评价:

DaddyVaradkar

conservative legislature like bjp wont touch this topic even in 2 decades

印度人民党等保守派立法机构再过20年后也不会轻易触碰这个话题。

 

 

BRD2004

Forget touching, they've plainly said they're against legalization because it goes against "sanskari values", and homosexuality is an "urban, elitist, concept".

他们明确表示,他们反对合法化,因为这违背了“梵天价值观”,同性恋是一种“城市的、精英主义的概念”。

 

 

iVarun

In principle this is obvious, Legislative is THE highest body in a Republic State.

原则上这是显而易见的,立法机关才是共和国家的最高机构。

 

 

Some-Track-965

It's principle not principal!

I am the anti-grammar police.

是原则principle,不是校长principal!

我是语法警察。

 

 

bhaikadriverr

but basic structure does not block all constitutional amendments. only a few which try to alter the very soul of the cobstitution like secularism. Today, more than ever the Basic Structure doctrine is more relevant.

但普遍法律原则并不能阻挠所有的宪法修正案。只有少数人会试图改变宪法的中心,比如世俗主义。现如今,基本结构理论比以往任何时候都更有意义。

 

 

MatthewPatttel

Not funny but a necessity for a not so mature de ocracy like us

这并不好笑,但对我们这样不太成熟的皿煮国家来说是必要的

 

 

account_for_norm

Religion is an institution, and we have given it as a fundamental right based on its importance. Why not whom to marry?

宗教是一种制度,基于它的重要性,我们赋予了它一项基本权利。为什么不能跟某人结婚呢??

 

 

SnooRadishes7630

This makes no sense. The Special Marriage act says that as long as one person says the vows to another, they can be married. Nowhere does it say one has to be the bride while the other the groom. Modifying this would in no way modify the act at all.

这毫无道理。《特别婚姻法》规定,只要一个人向另一个人许下誓言,双方就可以缔结婚约。从来没有规定说必须是一个新娘和一个新郎才可以。修改这一点压根都不用修改该法案。

 

 

DeleteMyLife

If you watched the judgment or read up, you would know that the contest was against S.4(c) of the Special Marriage Act, where it says "male" and "female", among other laws.

如果你观看了判决现场或仔细研读,你就会知道这场诉讼是针对《特别婚姻法》第4(c)条的,其中就规定了“男性”和“女性”,其他法律也有明确表述。

 

 

kv_the_orca

It's a misleading headline. The Court did all that it could.

这是一个误导性的标题。法院已经尽其所能了。

 

 

100beep

From my understanding (here as a visitor who’s been paying some attention to this), it’s really not the job of the courts to do so. And if they did it anyways, there would be far too many complaints about “legislating from the bench”

根据我的理解(作为一个长期关注这个问题的人),这真的不属于法院的工作范围。如果他们真的不管不顾地做了,会有太多关于“法官立法”的抱怨。

 

 

Traditional-Set-4478

What pains me to see tho is not the decision of Supreme Court, but the glee with which people on social media are celebrating homophobia and making derogatory comments. This is the true face of our country -- we are among the most regressive, backward and racist kind of people and like to call ourselves "developed" -_-

令我痛心的不是最高法院的决定,而是人们在社交媒体上欢欣鼓舞地庆祝恐同症,并发表贬损性言论。这就是我们国家的真实面貌—我们是最倒退、最落后、最种族主义的一群人,却喜欢标榜自己是“发达国家”。

 

 

sleeper_shark

“If my kid sees a couple driving a white Honda, wouldn’t he think it’s abnormal? Because he would see his parents black Skoda as normal”

That’s what your friend sounds like. You can make this argument for all kinds of classist, sexst, racist, nonsense

“如果我的孩子看到一对夫妇开着一辆白色本田,他不会觉得这很不正常吗?因为他觉得他父母的黑色斯柯达才是正常的。”

这就是你朋友说的话。你可以对各种阶级主义者、性别歧视者、种族主义者和胡说八道的人提出这个问题。

 

 

Alternsss

Actually you are right. In india, it won't be accepted at all by the most. No freaking chance. The society needs a change. This rule means not much when 99 percent of the population are homophobic

事实上你是对的。在印度,大多数人根本无法接受这一点。完全不可能。社会需要改变。当99%的人都恐同时,这条法律也没有太大意义。

 

 

misconfigbackspace

I think, for whatever reason, the courts are respected highly by the majority of the Indian population (as they should). Deeply entrenched issues like marital rape and heterosexual-only marriage, which are deeply tied to patriarchal social norms might face the same response as Dowry laws. The law exsts on paper, but in reality, is openly flouted. Fortunately, people don't protest violently against court judgements.

我认为,无论出于何种原因,法院受到大多数印度人的高度尊重。婚内强奸和异性恋婚姻等根深蒂固的问题,与父权社会规范紧密相连,可能会面临与嫁妆法同样的下场。法律存在于纸面上,但在现实中却被公然蔑视。但幸好人们不会对法院判决进行暴力抗议。

 

 

heretic27

Exactly, it’s ironic as hell when I tell people that India is still not safe for LGBTQ people and they’re like which era are you living in, it’s perfectly legal and all that bs.

没错,当我告诉人们印度对同性恋人群来说不是安全之地时,他们会说,你究竟生活在哪个时代啊,这是完全合法的。

 

 

orkrjrrhheh

I meant was why someone should hide their identity. Isn’t it parents’s job to tell their kids what’s normal and what’s not. India is anyways a conservative country it’s not like kids will catch gay couples making out or something.

我觉得为什么有人要隐藏自己的真实取向。父母不是有责任告诉孩子什么是正常的,什么是不正常的吗?不管怎么说,印度是一个保守的国家,孩子们不会看到同性恋情侣亲热什么的。

 

 

bhumit012

Public profanity is not allowed so regardless of gender the kid should not be seeing anyone kiss to begin with. I swear people do the most crazy mental gymnastics to justify outdated views.

在公共场合行为不端是不能允许的,所以无论性别,孩子就不应该看到任何人接吻。我发誓,人们会做最疯狂的心理练习来证明过时的观点是正确的。

 

 

SkyDome217

Nepal has legalized same sex marriage but india can't lol.

尼泊尔已经将同性婚姻合法化了,但印度还不能。

 

 

Different-Result-859

Kids don't actually think like that.

In societies where gay couples are seen as normal, kids just accept it as normal.

孩子们不会这么想。

在同性恋得到接纳的社会里,孩子们也会把它当作正常的事情来接受。

 

 

a_stopped_clock

Was india so anti gay pre colonialism or rather pre mughals? I don’t think Hinduism explicitly mentions what sexuality is right or wrong, right?

印度在殖民*义前还是莫卧儿王朝前会极力反对同性恋吗?我不认为印度教明确提到哪种性取向是对是错,对吧?

 

 

Angry-Cyclops

No, the first laws that prohibited same sex relationships were introduced under the British Raj, including the one that was removed as unconstitutional a couple years ago.

不,第一部禁止同性恋的法律是在英国统治时期引入的,包括几年前因违宪而被取消的那部法律。

 

 

Square-Effective8720

Too bad for Indians who were ho to get married and still aren’t allowed. So for the High Court, I guess it’s still better to marry a person of the opposite sex even if you don’t want to. That should make for some really unhappy marriages.

对于那些希望结婚但得不到许可的印度人来说,这简直太糟糕了。所以对于高等法院来说,我想最好还是和异性结婚。这应该会导致一些不幸福的婚姻。

 

 

LuckSubstantial4013

Four people need to marry someone of the opposite sex. Then the two couples can live together . It’s far from how it should be.

四个人和异性结婚,然后这两对夫妇可以一起生活。但这远不是它该有的样子。

 

 

Revo_Int92

I am far from being a "woke" person, but really, basic human rights... c'mon, this shouldn't be even a discussion, how the hell something like this can be prohibited

我本来不是一个“觉醒”的人,但说真的,这只是基本的人*…拜托,这根本都不需要讨论,这种事为什么会被禁止。

 

 

Didact67

It’s India, so it’s a miracle they decriminalized homosexuality at all.

这是印度,所以他们如果把同性恋合法化,那就真的是个奇迹了。

 

 

AudeDeficere

I am always impressed by India’s high ranking court (s). At least from my admittedly sadly limited understanding, whenever I hear about them they act befitting of their station.

我对印度的高级法院一直印象深刻,至少从我自认可怜的有限理解来看,每次听到他们,他们的行为都与他们的社会地位相称。

 

 

Tikkiiiiii

There is going to be a long fight ahead, and I hope it pans out the exactly the way it should. Let's appreciate and hope for the best! And please ignore these dumbass spewing 'Win' and nonsense all because they have never themselves felt or went through what every LGBTQ person did. We'll surely leap ahead and think beyond male and female one day. Until then, best of luck!

未来还会有一场漫长持久的战斗,让我们欣赏并期待最好的结果吧!请忽略这些蠢人说的“他们赢了”等等废话,因为他们从来没有感受过或经历过同性恋人经历的痛苦。总有一天,我们肯定会超越男性和女性的界限。在那之前,祝你好运!

 

 

ManagerBig4870

Going downhill means getting worse. How are things getting worse for gay people in India?

走下坡路意味着变得更糟。印度同性恋者的处境是如何变得越来越糟的?

 

 

SkyDome217

India media can't even ask any meaningful questions to politician. I guess queer rights organizations can start lobbying congress, aap, trinamool, since they spoke up for queer rights during section 377 debacle.

印度媒体甚至不能对政客提问任何有意义的问题。我想同性恋权利组织可以开始游说国会了,因为他们在377条款崩溃时为同性恋群体的权利发声。

 

 

cherrybombvag

As a bisexual woman, I don't think our country is ready for it. Change should be organic. We struggle to implement basic laws and queer people are denied equal treatment. I fear that had this happened, the country would push back with intense homophobia. Things are getting much better than they used to be. (It's not perfect but you must realise that homosexuality is punishable and/or outlawed/ persecuted even in countries far richer, far more developed and with much better implementation of laws than ours).

I have hope for the future.

作为一名双性恋女性,我认为我们的国家还没有准备好。改变应该一步步进行。我们努力执行基本法律,同性恋者被剥夺了平等权利。我担心,如果发生这种情况,这个国家会以强烈的恐同症予以反击。现在的情况比过去好多了。(虽然还不够完美,但你要明白,在比印度富裕得多、发达得多、法律执行得更好的国家,同性恋依然还是会受到惩罚和/或权利受损/迫害)。

我对未来充满希望。

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