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墨西哥的人均GDP略高于中国,两国人民的生活水平对比如何

As of 2021, Mexco's GDP per capita (PPP) is slightly higher than China's. How does the quality of life compare?

截至2021年,墨西哥的人均GDP (PPP)略高于中国,两国人民的生活水平对比如何?

 

 

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As of 2021, Mexco's GDP per capita (PPP) is slightly higher than China's. However, it is important to note that GDP per capita (PPP) is not the only indicator of the quality of life. Other factors such as access to education, healthcare, and basic necessities also play a significant role in determining the overall quality of life. Additionally, it is important to consider that Mexco and China have very different cultures and societies, so the concept of "quality of life" may also vary between the two countries. Overall, it is difficult to make a direct comparison between the quality of life in Mexco and China without more specific information on the various factors that contribute to it.

截至2021年,墨西哥的PPP略高于中国。但是有一点需要注意,PPP并不是衡量生活水平的唯一指标。其他因素,如教育、医疗和基本必需品也影响了民众的整体生活水平。此外,还要考虑到墨西哥和中国各自拥有非常不同的文化和社会,所以大家对“生活水平”的概念也可能也会有所不同,很难进行直接比较。

 

 

 

Aozao Zhou

I haven't been to Mexco, but I can find a lot of information about Mexco. I think the information of GDP or PPP response is accurate, that is, the average living standard in Mexco is slightly higher than that in China. This slightly higher standard of living is reflected in Mexco's higher average wage and lower prices of living materials.

Because Mexco is too close to the United States, and Mexco's urbanization rate has reached more than 80%, Mexco's industrialization foundation is not poor, and Mexco can import many goods from the United States at 0 tariff, so there are abundant materials and cheap prices in the Mexcan market.

However, I have seen several data from the public information, which makes me feel that there are great hidden worries about the development of Mexco.

我没去过墨西哥,但是我可以找到很多关于墨西哥的信息。我认为GDP或PPP反应的情况是准确的,也就是说墨西哥的平均生活水平略高于中国,这一点在墨西哥的平均工资较高和物价较低上也得到了反映。

因为墨西哥离美国太近了,墨西哥的城市化率已经达到80%以上,工业化基础也不差,还可以以零关税从美国进口很多商品,所以在墨西哥的市场上可以用便宜的价格买到丰富的商品。

但我也从公开信息中看到了一些数据,这让我觉得墨西哥的发展存在很大的隐患。

Mexco's economic growth has fluctuated seriously in recent decades, and the rebound is weak. On average, it will fall to a negative number every five years, and the growth is only 2% or 3%. There are few years with an increase of more than 5%. This is totally different from China's growth of more than 10% 20 years ago and still reaching more than 6%.

Public security in Mexco is not good. The international murder rate in Mexco in 2018 was 29 per 100000 people, and that in China was 0.527 per 100000 people. There is a huge gap.

There are problems in education in Mexco. The primary school enrollment rate in Mexco has been decreasing for more than a decade, reaching a new low of 95.3% in 2017, while the data in China is almost 100%.

Due to time constraints, I didn't check too many materials, but from these information, I feel that Mexco is the ceiling of its own growth, or has fallen into a middle-income trap, and I am more optimistic about China's future development.

近几十年来,墨西哥的经济增长波动剧烈,反弹乏力。平均每5年经济增速都会降到负数,增长率只有2%或3%,很少超过5%。这和20年前中国长期保持10%以上、如今依然保持6%以上的经济增速完全不同。

墨西哥的治安不太好。2018年,墨西哥的国际谋杀率为每10万人中有29起,中国为每10万人中有0.527起。这是一个巨大的差距。

墨西哥的教育存在问题。十多年来,墨西哥的小学入学率一直在下降,2017年达到95.3%的新低,而中国的这一数据几乎都是100%。

由于时间的限制,我没有查阅太多的资料,但从这些信息中,我觉得墨西哥已经到达发展的天花板,或者已经陷入了中等收入陷阱,我对中国未来的发展前景更加乐观。

 

 

 

Carlos Gutierrez

GDP per capita is meaningles, specailly the nominal quantity, it doesn’t accounts for the difference in cost of living.

If you want to use GDP per capita then use the quantity adjusted by purchasing power parity, that mostly eliminates the difference on living costs.

And then, Méxco´s is 19,796USD vs China´s 16,117USD, but then the Humand Development Index would take more things in consideration that only how much the people makes in average.

Méxco’s is 0.779 vs China´s 0.761, so we still have a slightly higher quality of life in average.

人均GDP没有意义,特别是名义GDP,完全没有考虑到生活成本的差异。

如果你想参考人均GDP,不如用经过购买力平价调整过的数据,这个数据基本消除了生活成本的差异。

墨西哥人均GDP是19796美元,中国是16117美元,但人类发展指数会参考更多方面的数据,不仅仅是国民平均收入。

墨西哥的人类发展指数是0.779,中国是0.761,所以我们的平均生活质量还是稍高一些。

But in the end all of this doesn’t matter, our cultures are so different to each other that the specifics of what is a “good life” are different.

Then somebody mentioned things like high speed trains or the healthcare quality.

First, mexcans don't like to travel by train and outside the capital and its mediate surroundings areas the country side is as sparsely populated as the US midwest, so high speed trains wouldn't be profitable.

但归根结底这一切都不重要,我们的文化彼此不同,对“美好生活”的定义也是不同的。

有人提到了高铁或医疗质量。

首先,墨西哥人不喜欢搭乘火车出行,墨西哥首都及周边地区以外的乡村地区,人口和美国中西部一样稀少,所以高铁无法盈利。

This is the population distribution of Méxco.

这是墨西哥的人口分布。

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This is China´s.

这是中国的人口分布图。

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That is why in China makes sense to make high speed trains and in Méxco doesn’t , outside the cental area of the country and a couple of large cities in northen Méxco, Tijuana and Monterrey, some coastal small cities in the Pacific and Atlantic coasts, our territory is as underpopulated as the Mountain States or maybe the Midwest of the US.

这就是为什么在中国发展高铁很有意义的原因,除了中部地区和北部的几个大城市,墨西哥城、蒂华纳和蒙特雷,太平洋和大西洋沿岸的一些沿海小城市,我们国家和山区或美国中西部一样人口稀少。

A HST between Méxco city and Monterrey wouldn’t make sense, 80% of the track would be in the wilderness without large population centers to justify the construction.

Only the route Puebla-Méxco city-Queretaro-Guanajuato-Guadalajara has enough high density population centers to possible be viable but the topography of the country is extremely mountanious, especially in the central region where that high density population centers are.

在墨西哥城和蒙特雷之间修建高铁没有意义,因为该路段的80%都是荒野,没有大型人口中心来证明建设的合理性。

只有普埃布拉-姆萨西科-克雷塔罗-瓜纳华托-瓜达拉哈拉这条路线有足够的高密度人口中心,但墨西哥的地形非常多山,尤其是在高密度人口中心所在的中部地区。

A ver different situation compared with China’s flatter regions where most of the population lives.

Due that geological difference the costs of building HSR would skyrocket compared to Europe or China, that is why most of the intercity travel is done by either plane or bus and actually the price between bus and plane travel is roughly the same due the rough terrain and the lots of curves that our highways have, increasing time of travel and fuel comsumption.

这和中国大多数人口居住的平坦地区相比情况截然不同。

由于地理上的差异,与欧洲或中国相比,墨西哥建设高铁的成本会高出许多,所以大多数城际旅行都是靠飞机或公共汽车,而且崎岖的地形和高速公路上弯道众多,所需时间和燃料消耗都很多,公共汽车和飞机的票价大致相同。

And on top of that we have seen the kind of money black hole are high speed trains in Spain.

Not one AVE high-speed rail line is turning a profit, says new study

除此之外,我们还看到了西班牙高铁的资金黑洞。

一项新的研究表明,目前还没有高铁实现盈利。

That is why we are investing a lot in airports and it works most of the time with only the shit show the capital airport caused by the current president being the major setback, because outside the cental region our cities are like little islands in middle of the wilderness.

Americans and Canadians perform medical tourism to the country and the quality is as good as theirs but cheaper.

Only in the town of Algodones next to Yuma, Arizona there are 10,000 americans per day that seek medical care in that town and the whole border is like that.

这就是为什么我们为机场上投入了大量资金,因为在中部地区之外,我们的城市就像荒野中的小岛一样孤立。

美国人和加拿大人也会到墨西哥进行医疗旅游,因为医疗水平和他们本国一样好,但医疗费用更低廉。

仅在亚利桑那州尤马附近的阿尔戈多内斯镇,每天就有1万名美国人来求医治病。

And even the US state of Utah flies their public employees to Méxco to fill their prescriptions and even get some healthcare and still give such employees a bonus in cash, 500 USD if they accept that deal and still save between 40–60% in healthcare costs.

US insurer sends public employees to Mexco for cheaper drugs

Some mentioned if our infrastructure is crumbling like the USA’s.

I think that this video that compares the state of Méxco City’s metro system vs New York´s metro represents the attitude of each country towards preventive maintenance of public infraestructure.

甚至连美国犹他州都把公共雇员送到墨西哥医院开处方,甚至进行治疗,如果员工接受,除了能节省40-60%的医疗费用,还能得到500美元的现金奖励。

美国保险公司派遣公职人员到墨西哥购买价格更实惠的药品。

有人提到墨西哥的基础设施像美国一样破败不堪。

我认为这段比较墨西哥城与纽约地铁状况的视频就能反映各国对公共基础设施预防性维护的不同态度。

We are cheap, I won’t deny that, but for that very reason my government puts a lot of emphasis in preventive maintenance of public stuff. It is cheaper to make preventive maintenance than rebuild something that crumbled due the lack of maintenance.

我们得物价便宜,我不否认这一点,但正因为如此,墨西哥政府非常重视公共设施的预防性维护。预防性维护比重建要便宜多了。

 

 

 

Tony Tan

Do citizens of Mexco have the luxurious fast train to travel from one end of the country to the other?

How's the healthcare and education being provided in Mexco?

Does Mexco also having crumbling infrastructure like in the US?

墨西哥公民有豪华快车贯穿全国吗?

墨西哥的医疗水平和教育状况如何?

墨西哥的基础设施也像美国一样破败不堪吗?

 

 

 

Richard Bourne

Mexco is was more developed in years past because its workforce is more productive. Per capita, Mexco produced more wealth each year than China.

Take a look a Mexco City, it’s a huge city with a modern downtown, clean efficient subway. The suburbs are filled with posh suburbs and vast industrial tracts full of factories. However Mexco only has one Mexco City, the next largest cities are Guadalajara are Monterrey, and they have much smaller downtowns and only 2–3 metro line, right? China has Beiing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, Shenzhen etc.

早年墨西哥是比中国更加发达,因为劳动力生产率更高。按人均计算,墨西哥每年创造的财富超过中国。

看看墨西哥城,这是一个大城市,有现代化的市中心,干净快捷的地铁。郊区到处都是豪华景象和工厂林立的广阔工业区。但墨西哥只有一个墨西哥城,第二大城市是瓜达拉哈拉和蒙特雷,它们的市中心就要小得多,只有2-3条地铁线路。而中国拥有北京、上海、广州、深圳等许多大城市。

Consider that Mexco is 10 times smaller than China.

A Mexco that was equal in size to China would be 10 times bigger. A Mexco that was equal in size to China would have 10 times more of everything. It would have cities the size and quality of Mexco City, so a little larger and more developed, some a little smaller and less developed. It would have 20 cities the size of Guadalajara and Monterrey, again some a little bigger, some smaller.

墨西哥比中国小10倍。

如果墨西哥的领土能和中国一样大,那么墨西哥的经济绝对会比中国大10倍,会有很多和墨西哥城一样大一样发达的城市,甚至还会有一些城市更大、更发达。墨西哥也会拥有20个跟瓜达拉哈拉和蒙特雷一样大的城市,同样,也会有一些更大,有一些略小。

Mexco is a poor country to a lot of people, because it isn’t a rich country. More accurately it is a middle income country. There are a lot of people in Mexco who are quite wealthy, but there are also a lot of people in Mexco who are dirt poor.

对很多人来说,墨西哥是一个贫穷的国家,更准确地说,是一个中等收入国家。墨西哥有很多富人,但也有很多穷人。

 

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