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班加罗尔可以和深圳媲美吗

Is Bangalore comparable to Shenzhen?

班加罗尔可以和深圳媲美吗?

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以下是Quora网友的评论:

Titus D'silva

The short answer is no. It is not comparable.

What Karnataka and Bangalore need is economic growth.

For the next 30 years, we should keep petty issues aside and focus only on economic growth. Issues like Lingayat vs Vokkaliga, Hindu vs Muslim, Marathi vs Kannadiga should be put on the back burner. We can revisit them later when we are prosperous.

简单说,答案是否定的。两者没有可比性。

卡纳塔克邦和班加罗尔需要的是经济增长。

从现在起往后30年,我们必须把鸡毛蒜皮的事情放在一边,一心一意搞经济。我们要搁置林伽雅特 vs 握卡利伽、印度教徒vsmsl、马拉地人vs卡纳迪加人等问题。等我们有钱了再来处理。

And definitely, I think there are structural problems with politics in Karnataka like how Mr Kanthaswamy Balasubramaniam mentioned. People are not voting based on development but all sorts of third rate issues like caste, religion and ethnicity.

当然,我认为卡纳塔克邦的政治存在结构性问题,就像Kanthaswamy Balasubramaniam先生提到的那样。卡纳塔克邦的民众投票不是基于发展,而是基于种姓、宗教和种族等各种三流问题。

This is what I do to make the city a better place. Firstly, I vote. That's the only way we have to change political leadership. Going out and voting isn't that hard. I have seen too many students and young people who couldn't care less about voting.

Secondly, I work to be excellent in my career. This may not make a big difference but it helps. Your excellence in your career not only benefits you but also helps boost the reputation of the local work culture.

Lastly, I think we in Karnataka badly need a local version of the Aam Aadmi Party. AAP is one of the best parties around. They improved Delhi's infrastructure, GER, hospital bed to population ratio among many other things.

Hopefully, mismanagement by these national parties will trigger uproar similar to how it happened in Delhi.

我所做的一切都是为了让这座城市变得更美好。首先,我会严肃投票。这是我们改变政治领导的唯一途径。出门投票并非难事。我见过太多的学生和年轻人对投票毫不关心。

其次,我努力做好自己的工作。这也许不会有太大的影响,但总是有好处的。你在工作上表现优秀不仅对自己有好处,也有助于提升当地工作文化的声望。

最后,我认为卡纳塔克邦亟需一个本地版的平民党。平民党是最好的政党之一。他们改善了德里的基础设施,医院床位与人口的比例等等。

希望国家政党的管理不善能引发类似德里事件那样的骚动。

 

 

 

Kanthaswamy Balasubramaniam

Good Lord No

Not even the greatest optimist can compare any City in India to Shenzen. Shenzen and Shanghai are simply impossible to compare to any Indian city and even any Asian City except maybe Tokyo and Seoul.

上帝啊,不

哪怕是最乐观的人也不敢把印度的任何城市和深圳相提并论。除了东京和首尔,印度任何城市甚至亚洲任何城市都比不过深圳和上海。

Shenzen was Chinas first SEZ established by Deng under the SEZ committee act of 1979–80

It is the Sixth Largest Financial Centre in Asia after Shanghai, HK, Tokyo, Beiing, Singapore and its GDP is $442 Billion, four times larger than Bangalore and 14% of Indias GDP

深圳是根据1979-80年经济特区委员会法案建立的中国第一个经济特区。

深圳是继上海、香港、东京、北京、新加坡之后的亚洲第六大金融中心,GDP为4420亿美元,是班加罗尔的四倍,占印度GDP的14%。

#1 Manufacturing

Shenzhen has the largest manufacturing base on earth. On an average day - you have 96,500 Different manufacturing units making between 7000 to 1.5 million units of various products in a day.

Bangalore has around 24,000 manufacturing units at the best and productivity is around 24% of Shenzens at best

Shenzen has a Skilled workforce of 2.31 Million , highest for any city on earth except Shanghai (3.44 Million) , Bangalore has only 2.64 Lakh certified Skilled Workers , 61% from other states.

1、制造业

深圳拥有全球最大的制造业基地。平均每天有96,500家工厂生产7000到150万件不同的产品。

班加罗尔最多有24000个工厂,生产力最多只有深圳的24%左右。

深圳有231万名熟练工人,是除上海(344万)以外全球工人最多的城市。班加罗尔只有26.4万合格的技术工人,其中61%都来自其他邦。

#2 Design and Development

36% of Chinas R&D is in Shenzhen. Highest for a Chinese City. Shenzen based patent applications were more than 5.85 Million while Viable Patents were 26,700 (Applications mean Zilch, even i can file an application)

Bangalore has 19.1% of Indias R&D but the Total Capital is only 9.1% of Shenzens. Only 2135 Viable patents were filed from Bangalore

2、设计和开发

中国36%的研发在深圳,是中国所有城市中最多的。深圳的专利申请超过585万件,而可行专利有26700件。

班加罗尔拥有印度19.1%的研发资金,但总资本仅为深圳的9.1%,只有2135项可行的专利。

#3 Infrastructure

Shenzen has the best road connectivity after Shanghai. The third longest network of Roads and Expressways and an average width of 132 feet for Domestic Roads (Highest in China) and 225.3 feet for Expressways

Bangalore has the fourth best road network connectivity in India after Mumbai and Delhi and Gurgaon and averages only 67.5 Feet (Domestic) and 98.9 feet - 114 feet (Expressway)

3、基础设施

深圳的道路连通性仅次于上海,拥有第三长的道路和高速公路网络,国道平均宽度为132英尺(中国最高),高速公路平均宽度为225.3英尺。

班加罗尔的道路网络连通性仅次于孟买、德里和古尔冈,平均宽度只有67.5英尺(国内)和98.9英尺- 114英尺(高速公路)。

#4 Startup Shelf life

Bangalore start ups have a 3.73 year Median Startup Shelf life (Tech) and 4.28 years (Non Tech) and only 1.5% with Certified Tech , the rest being Bloated BHAJI PAO Startups or Hair Cutting Saloons

Gurgaon has better Start ups with a 4.66 yr Median (Tech) with 8% with certified tech.

Shenzhen has an average startup shelf life of 8.83 years (Tech) with 21.4% Startups with certified Tech

4、初创公司寿命

班加罗尔初创公司的平均创业寿命(科技)为3.73年,非科技公司为4.28年,科技公司仅为1.5%,其余都是饮食店或理发沙龙

古尔冈的创业公司好一点,平均寿命4.66年(科技),科技公司占8%。

深圳创业公司的平均寿命为8.83年(科技),科技公司占21.4%。

#5 Leadership

Shenzens Municipal Committee has 5 Stanford/Cambridge(UK)/Monash/LSE alumni and three self made 90s tech billionaires. They have performance evaluators and their sole priority is Schenzens Development

Bangalore is in charge of a handful of gentlemen who probably cannot spell “Entrepreneurship” or “Farhanitrate Prerajulisation” and whose learning and global awareness can fit the back of a postage stamp.

5、领导人

深圳的领导人,有5名斯坦福、英国剑桥、莫纳什、伦敦经济学院校友和3名90年代白手起家的科技亿万富翁。他们有业绩评估人员,他们唯一考虑的就是深圳的发展。

班加罗尔的领导人是一小撮可能连“企业家精神”(Entrepreneurship)或“Farhanitrate Prerajulisation”都拼不出来的绅士,他们的学识和全球意识用一张邮票大小的纸头就能写完。

They have no evaluations except screaming about Kannada language and bashing Hindi

Their sole priority is Power and Vokkaliga vs Lingayat power balance

Its the same for almost all cities

Rabble, Unworthy leaders, Poor Quality Standards and Appeasement linked Labor laws

The only City that can become Indias Shenzhen if handled properly, in 15–25 years is

GURGAON

他们除了为卡纳达语呐喊、抨击印地语之外,没有其他事忙

他们唯一考虑的是权力和林伽雅特 vs 握卡利伽的制衡

几乎所有城市都是如此

乌合之众,德不配位的领导,低劣的质量标准和绥靖主义的劳动法

如果治理得当,唯一能在15-25年内成为印度深圳的城市是:古尔冈

 

 

 

Anonymous

No!

Joke of the year!

No fucking way!

India is 30 years behind China, and China has lifted millions out of poverty, China has excellent infra and so on.

Do check some videos by westerners who visited China during quarantine, and so on.

不能!

这简直是年度笑话!

毫无可能!

印度落后中国30年,中国让数百万人摆脱了贫困,中国拥有出色的基础设施。

看看到过中国的一些西方人拍摄的视频就知道了。

 

 

 

Chris Ebbert

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How does one compare Mumbai & Beiing?

Those two are not really comparable. They are completely different worlds.

Mumbai is a bustling harbour city with a strongly commercial flavour, and it has a wild and uncontrollable side where people sleep and live rough.

Beiing is a capital, and feels and is very political, very white collar, and very clinically clean. Nothing unpresentable is visible in Beiing.

如何比较孟买和北京?

这两者毫无可比性,是完全不同的世界。

孟买是一个繁华的海港城市,有着浓厚的商业气息,但它也有野蛮和失控的一面,民众过着风餐露宿的生活。

北京是首都,非常政治化,非常白领,又非常干净,没有拿不出手的地方。

 

 

 

Nikhil Bhaskaran

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Does India have any cities comparable to Shenzhen?

In simple words : No !!

The closest city though, I think is Bangalore .

印度有可以和深圳相比的城市吗?

简单地说就是:没有!!

要论最接近深圳的城市,那只能是班加罗尔。

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About experience:

Lived in Shenzhen for 8 years

Lived in Bangalore for totally few months (on and off visits )

我的个人经历:

在深圳生活了8年

在班加罗尔住了几个月(经常往来此地)

 

 

 

Abishek Raju

Shenzhen, China's Silicon Valley relies on as the substitute city for Hongkong representing China’s south zone for their Trade & Manufacturing exports, Technology, and well-connected ports. Shenzhen’s boundaries are deeply connected with Guangdong (Manufacturing HUB for China) in the east and Hong Kong (Eastern Global Financial Centre) in the south.

深圳,中国的硅谷,在贸易和制造业出口、技术和交通便利的港口方面,是中国南方地区的第二个香港。深圳与中国东部的广东(中国制造中心)和南部的香港(东方全球金融中心)紧密相连。

Thus Shenzen’s geographical locations including the nearby cities have got faster and more high-end transportation facilities to travel across the states from Guangzhou to Hong Kong via Shenzhen. It is rated as one of the highly developed territories as per World’s Human Development Index; where tourism, nightlife, and technology development are at their best and it is attracting world travelers and businessmen forever.

因此,深圳的地理位置,包括附近的城市,拥有更快、更高端的交通设施,可以从广州经深圳到香港。根据世界人类发展指数,深圳被评为高度发达的地区之一。深圳的旅游业、夜生活和科技发展都非常发达,长期吸引着世界各地的游客和商人。

According to the statistics mentioned above, in the last 10 - 12 years Shenzhen’s population is multi-folded to skyrocket. Skyscrapers and Residential towers were more common to accommodate the whole population meeting all the living standards, and the city kept on expanding. In this decade, one of the important initiatives done by the Shenzhen government is to keep the city clean and transform public transport to run through electricity, it can be either a train, bus, or anything to bikes followed by London and Amsterdam.

Till now we had talked about the phenomenal past, and forecasting the future for Shenzhen will be tremendous to see the omega-class environment and can be the 1st city in the world to make it.

在过去的10 - 12年里,深圳的人口成倍增长。摩天大楼和住宅楼能为深圳市民提供满足所有生活标准的居所,城市不断扩大。在这十年里,深圳政府的重要举措之一是保持城市整洁,并将火车、公共汽车、自行车等公共交通设施升级为电动车辆,紧随其后的是伦敦和阿姆斯特丹。

到目前为止,我们介绍了深圳辉煌的过去,而深圳的未来可能会极其精彩,也许能成为世界上最好的城市。

Rationally, comparing the same scenario with Bengaluru aka Bangalore, we can see great developments happening in the city’s infrastructure and its facilities compared to any other city in India but not equating to the standards of Shenzhen. Bangalore’s transformation equates to 30% of its progression with Shenzhen. Nostalgically, Bangalore is affected by traffic issues. Commuting between two ends is always difficult for every individual. But on the good side, Bangalore metropolitan government initiated the Metro Rails to connect nooks and corners. However, it’s in progress.

如果和印度其他城市相比,班加罗尔的基础设施正在发生翻天覆地的变化,但还是无法跟深圳相提并论。班加罗尔的转型只完成了深圳发展的30%。班加罗尔深受交通问题的影响,民众的通勤很困难。但好的一面是,班加罗尔市政府启动了地铁轨道的建设,但还未完工。

India’s Silicon Valley has already attracted global investors, being in the IT service industry for nearly 15 years, innovations from Startups and Enterprises started blooming more than ever in India. Although Infrastructure concerns, the city has a great atmosphere of people with various talents across all industries, food culture, and nightlife at its best in India.

Revolution for Digital Payments has begun in Bangalore, adopted by every common man in the city, and now the usage statistics of digital payments were at their peak & No. 1 in the entire world.

印度的硅谷已经吸引了全球投资者,我已从事IT服务行业近15年,创业公司和企业的创新超越了以往所有时候。尽管基础设施令人担忧,但这座城市的氛围很好,聚集了各行各业的人才,饮食文化和夜生活都是印度最好的。

班加罗尔已经开始进行数字支付的革命了,每个市民都能使用,现在数字支付的使用数据已达到顶峰,在全世界排名第一。

Rather than comparing everyone, or different countries or cities, let us support the earth to begin its new evolution for standard living by accommodating a greener lifestyle by avoiding plastics, adopting solar & electricity for transport, better standards to improve agriculture, food adulteration and many aspects to consider. These activities cannot begin by the government at its fullest without the support of every citizen, let us adapt quickly to have a better and healthier lifestyle heartily.

与其比较每个人或每个国家或每个城市,不如推动标准生活的发展,减少塑料的使用,用太阳能和电力能源为交通运输供能,用更高的标准改善农业生产,让人们过上更环保的生活方式。如果没有公民们的支持,政府无法大力推动这些举措,让我们迅速拥抱变化,拥抱更好、更健康的生活方式。

 

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