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为什么越南如此幸运,传承到了中国文化,为什么菲律宾没能传承到中国的文化

Why is Vietnam so lucky to get Chinese culture? Why can't the Philippines have Chinese and Japanese culture too? Why didn't China invade the Philippines?

为什么越南如此幸运,传承到了中国文化?为什么菲律宾没能传承到中国和日本的文化呢?

 

 

以下是Quora网友的评论:

Tristan Tan

Originally Answered: Why is Vietnam so lucky to get Chinese culture? Why can’t the Philippines have Chinese and Japanese culture too? Why didn't China invade the Philippines?

As a fellow filipino, what? We should be proud to have our own culture and be proud of our independence. Being a mix of filipino Chinese ethnicity, i do love Chinese culuture and respect it but for them to invade would be a bad way to think of it. If you love Chinese,Japanese culuture so much, why not just move there. We must also learn to love our culture, even if it is lacking, it is part of our identity as a pinoy!

作为菲律宾同胞,你提的这是什么鬼问题?我们应该为拥有自己的文化而自豪,为我们的独立而自豪。作为菲律宾和中国的混血儿,我真心喜欢并尊重中国文化,但我也不愿意面对中国侵略菲律宾的局面。如果你这么喜欢中国文化和日本文化,不如直接去中国和日本定居吧。我们必须学会热爱我们自己的文化,即使有不足,那也是我们菲律宾人身份认同感的一部分!

 

 

 

Jason

Why can’t the Philippines have its own culture? Japan and Vietnam are heavily influenced by the Chinese culture because they are geographically close to China. The Philippines, however, is southeastern to China and remotely located in the Pacific Ocean. There had been trade between the two, but obviously it was not enough to bring about cultural changes.

为什么菲律宾不能有自己的文化呢?日本和越南深受中国文化的影响,是因为它们在地理上临近中国。但菲律宾位于中国东南方向,地处太平洋偏远地区。两国之间曾有过贸易往来,但并不足以带来文化上的改变。

So my advice to you is to be practical, read more books and do not embrace cultural superiority in any form. If you really love the Chinese culture, please learn more about it before advocating for its superiority on Quora. Such actions will only defame the culture, making those unfamiliar with it think its a culture of ignorance, arrogance, prejudice and malice. And by the way, having such baseless pride won’t do you any good. It will only blind your eyes and stop you from learning the best of all cultures.

所以我给你的建议是要务实,多读书,不要有任何形式的文化优越感。如果你真的喜欢中国文化,那么请你在Quora上宣扬中国文化的优越性之前,多了解一点中国文化吧。你现在这种行为只会抹黑中国文化,让不明就里的人认为中国文化是无知、傲慢、偏见和恶意的文化。顺便说一句,这种莫名其妙的优越感对你并没有任何好处。它只会蒙蔽你的双眼,让你无法吸收所有文化的精华。

 

 

 

Angel Le

This question is so fucked up if you think about it. This seems so fetishized and having that internalized racism in your own filipino culture. Be proud youre southeast asian stfu!!!

如果你仔细想想这个问题,你就会觉得这个问题太操D了吧。未免也太自恋了,你们对自己的菲律宾文化还有这种种族主义。你该为自己身为东南亚人感到自豪!!

 

 

 

Anh Lam

Originally Answered: Why is Vietnam so lucky to get Chinese culture? Why can’t the Philippines have Chinese and Japanese culture too? Why didn't China invade the Philippines?

It’s not correct to say that Vietnam has Chinese culture. This is downplaying the unique development of Vietnamese culture.

你说越南有中国文化,这个说法是不对的。这是在贬低越南文化的独特性。

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Vietnamese culture is Chinese-like to untrained foreign eyes (like Korean/Japanese) but once you are familiar, you can see the unique styles to Vietnam, for example the curved roofs of Vietnamese traditional architecture.

在不明就里的外国人眼中,越南文化和中国文化确实很像,他们认为韩国文化和日本文化也很像,但只要你稍加熟悉,就能发现越南的独特风格,比如越南传统建筑中特有的弧形屋顶。

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There are many unique looking traditional buildings in Vietnam, the color combinations are not found in East Asian countries.

越南有许多独特的传统建筑,越南式的色彩组合在东亚国家中都是独一份的。

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White stone buildings with red doors at Quan Thanh temple.

真武观的白石红门建筑。

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Last empress of Vietnam wearing traditional royal clothes. No clothes in China or East Asia had this style.

越南最后一位穿着传统皇室服装的皇后。中国和东亚都没有这种风格的衣服。

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Modern version

Yet to the untrained eyes, they probably look Chinese like.

现代版

但在不熟悉越南文化的人看来,这些东西都很中式风。

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Whale worship in Vietnam

越南的鲸鱼崇拜习俗

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Singing traditional songs on boat. Vietnamese culture is heavily associated with water, from rivers, lakes to the sea so there are many local festivals that are centred around boat activities.

在船上唱传统歌曲。越南文化与水(河流、湖泊及大海)有着密切的联系,所以当地很多节日都和划船有关。

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Annual pilgrimage on boats to Perfume Pagoda.

每年乘船前往香庙朝圣。

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Another type of Vietnamese traditional clothes not found anywhere else in the world.

这也是一种越南传统服装,在世界其他地方都找不到同款。

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Vietnam even has our own unique styles of arts, Đông Hồ paintings which are based on Vietnamese folklores and a more complex style called Sơn Mài (lacquer painting)

越南也有自己独特的艺术风格,东湖画是以越南民间传说为基础、带有被称为漆画的复杂风格的一种绘画形式。

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Vietnamese lacquer painting

Due to the power of the historic Chinese dynasties, Vietnamese elite readily absorbed high culture from Chinese civilization such as literature, arts, architecture, fashion, and military. Nevertheless it maintained its own local development. Vietnamese culture being similar to Chinese isn’t just because of historical invasion.

越南漆画

历史上中国王朝实力强大,越南精英阶层从中华文明中吸取精华,如文学、艺术、建筑、时尚和军事等。但越南保持了自己的本土特色。越南文化与中国文化相似,并不只是因为历史上曾被中国侵占。

 

 

 

Datu Ulap

Whoever said there are no stupid questions clearly never encountered this one.

No one ever claims Vietnam is “lucky” to get Chinese culture. What you’re doing here is making assumptions that Vietnam is just a derivative of Chinese culture, when that is not the case. Vietnam may have a lot of Sinoshperic influence, but it still retains many aspects that make it unique.

那些说Quora上不存在愚蠢问题的人显然是还没有遇到过这个问题。

没有人会说越南传承到了中国文化是很“幸运”的事。你这个问题单纯就是把越南作为中国文化的衍生品,而事实并非如此。越南可能受到过很多中国文化的影响,但它还是保留了很多独特的方面。

The Philippines actually does have Chinese and Japanese influence. Chinese people have traded with the Philippines for centuries, and many have immigrated to the Philippines in large numbers since the Spanish period. Of course, they left an impact on the local culture, including food, Hokkien loanwords, and even art and architectural styles.

菲律宾确实受到了中国和日本的影响。几个世纪以来,中国人一直和菲律宾进行贸易往来,西班牙殖民统治后很多中国人移民到了菲律宾。他们必然也会对当地文化产生影响,包括饮食、闽南语舶来词,甚至艺术和建筑风格。

Japanese people have also been living in the Philippines for centuries, many of them religious refugees.

日本人也在菲律宾繁衍了几个世纪,许多都是宗教难民。

 

 

 

Tisiphone Rose

“why is Vietnam so lucky to get Chinese culture”

HUH? I guess in a way, as long as the culture was not forced upon the Vietnamese people (I.e native Americans through residential schools). They are ‘lucky’ to have experienced a different culture and it has nothing to do with the fact that it just so happens to be Chinese culture.

“为什么越南如此幸运,能够传承到中国文化?”

啥?这个说法也不能说全错,只要中国文化不是强加到越南人头上就行,比如美国原住民被迫进入寄宿学校学习。他们很“幸运”地体验到另一种文化,只是碰巧遇到了中国文化。

“why can’t Philippines have Chinese and Japanese culture too?”

Philippines does. There are a lot of Chinese Filipinos and some Japanese Filipinos as well. HOW MUCH of it exsts, and how much of it make a big difference in the ‘total Filipino culture’ is another story.

“为什么菲律宾没能传承中国和日本的文化?”

菲律宾也有啊。菲律宾有很多华裔,也有一些日裔。这些群体有多大,对“菲律宾文化”这个整体有多大影响,又是另外一回事。

“Why didn’t China invade Philippines”

Because China does not have a history of sending ships and people to colonize everywhere around the globe? Han Chinese beliefs and religion and stuff believes in peace, calmness and serenity above everything. And historically, the main times China ever went to war is when their ‘peace’ is being threatened, or there isn’t peace in the land so they fight peace for the people.

“为什么中国不入侵菲律宾?”

因为中国没有派遣船只和人员到全球各地进行殖民统治的历史吗?中华民族的信仰和宗教等信奉和平,国泰民安高于一切。纵观历史,中国发动战争多半是因为中国的“和平”受到了威胁,或者中国领土上不太平,所以他们为了百姓的太平生活而战。

(I am excluding Manchurians, Mongolians…etc and many other minority groups in all of my answers above because the questions seems to be asking more for Han Chinese culture)

(我上面的回答中没有考虑满洲人、蒙古人等其他少数族群,因为这些问题似乎更针对的是汉族文化)

 

 

 

Chiu Yu

Originally Answered: Why is Vietnam so lucky to get Chinese culture? Why can’t the Philippines have Chinese and Japanese culture too? Why didn't China invade the Philippines?

I am from Taiwan.

I argue in China’s defense a lot on Quora, because as a scientist, the distortion and mendacity of Western propaganda about China offends my intelligence. It further offends me with its hideous whitewashing and euphemism about Taiwan’s gross transgression on de ocracy.

我来自中国台湾。

我经常在Quora上为中国辩护,因为作为一名科学家,西方对中国的编排歪曲和虚假宣传简直是对我智商的侮辱。西方对中国台湾严重违反皿煮的丑恶行径的粉饰更进一步冒犯了我。

For exactly the same reason, if you are from the Philippines, I would sincerely advise you not to blindly worship any other culture and naively take any other culture as your savior. Every culture, or nation, in the world works chiefly for its own interest. There is no selfless, altruistic nation in the absolute sense, China included. At best, it would leave you alone, or perhaps strike some deal from which both can profit. Japan is even much worse than China, if you think Japan is hel you, better watch your back for a knife!

一样的道理,如果你来自菲律宾,我诚心建议你不要盲目崇拜其他文化,傻傻地把其他文化当作救世主。世界上每一种文化、每一个民族,都会优先照顾自己的利益。世界上没有绝对意义上的无私、利他的国家,中国也不例外。它最多不干涉你,或者和你达成一些互惠互利的交易。日本比中国恶毒多了,如果你认为日本是在帮助你,你最好小心他们对你下黑手!

You can admire the culture of any other nation, and you should, to be an honest and open-minded person. But in the meantime, you are the only one that is looking after your own interest. Nobody else is.

你可以欣赏其他国家的文化,你应该做一个诚实和开放的人。但你还应该做唯一一个关心自己利益的人。没有其他人会关心你的利益。

 

 

 

Lê Vinh

Originally Answered: Why is Vietnam so lucky to get Chinese culture? Why can’t the Philippines have Chinese and Japanese culture too? Why didn't China invade the Philippines?

Oh my…Can't stop laughing. You should know that it took 300 years after Vietnam gained its independence from China to be recognized as an independent country. One thousand years of Chinese territory and hundreds of years to fight against China's sovereignty claim. If our ancestors thought like you, there would be no Vietnam and I would be talking in Chinese right now.

天啊,我要笑疯了。你应该知道,越南从中国独立出来后,花了300年的时间才被视为一个独立的国家。越南被中国吞并了一千年的时间,又花了数百年时间对抗中国的统治。如果我们的祖先也跟你一样,越南就不会存在了,我现在也得说中文了。

 

 

 

Valerie Van Kerckhove

Well, Vietnam is indeed lucky.

It got its native culture.

It got some Chinese culture.

It got some Southeast Asian culture.

It got some European culture.

嗯,越南确实很幸运。

越南有自己的本土文化。

越南也有一些中国文化的因素。

越南还有一些东南亚文化的因素。

越南更有一些欧洲文化的因素。

Also, it got to kick the behind of most of the world's superpowers: the US, the Chinese, the Soviet Union and the French back when they were a colonial empire.

And now Vietnam also has a fast develo economy.

Isn't Vietnam lucky? It got a bit from everyone but still managed to keep its independence and unique traits.

此外,越南还在已沦为殖民地的时期,狠狠打败了世界上大多数超级大国:比如美国、中国、苏联和法国。

现在越南拥有高速发展的经济。

这么说的话,越南不就是很幸运吗?它吸纳百家之长,但仍然保持了自己的独立性和独特性。

 

 

 

Bang Na

Originally Answered: Why is Vietnam so lucky to get Chinese culture? Why can’t the Philippines have Chinese and Japanese culture too? Why didn't China invade the Philippines?

Vietnam is lucky to be able to absorb Chinese culture???? Do you mean braid culture?

Vietnam has never had such a strange hairstyle. Braid braiding is Chinese culture, not Vietnamese culture.

越南很幸运,能够传承中国文化????你说的是辫子文化吗?

越南历史上从未有过如此奇葩的发型。编辫子是中国文化,不是越南文化。

 

 

 

Harsh Manral

Originally Answered: Why is Vietnam so lucky to get Chinese culture? Why can’t the Philippines have Chinese and Japanese culture too? Why didn't China invade the Philippines?

That is a totally wrong conception totally based upon Wishful thinking! All the mentioned Countries have got wonderful Cultures of their own!

这是一个错到离谱的概念,完全是一厢情愿的想法!这几个国家都有自己精彩的文化!

 

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