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印度军队为何这么不堪一击

Why is the Indian Army so weak?

印度军队为何这么不堪一击?

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Rahul Jhabak, Full Time Enthusiast

Yes. Indian army is weak.

1.Indian Army is weak because it ranks 4th among the World’s Top Army Rankings.

2.It is weak because it has won 4 consecutive wars against Pakistan and 1 war against China.

3.It is weak because it has the world's fastest Cruise Missile BrahMos. It's range is approx. 450kms and travel between speeds 2.8 and 3 mach.

4.Indian army is weak because it has one of the longest range missile group AGNI. AGNI VI, which is currently under development, will have an undefeated range of around 12000 km.

5.Indian army is weak because it controls the world's highest battlefield, Siachen Glacier, which has an altitude of around 5000m Above sea Level.

6.Indian army is weak because it doesn't recruit people by force, thus having the largest “Voluntary” army in the world.

7.It is weak because our Army suffered only 2 casualties in the battle of Longewal, despite being heavily outnumbered. Such is the valour of our army.

8.Indian Army is weak because it carried Operation Rahat, the largest civilian rescue ever carried out by any country. A total of more than 20,000 people were successfully airlifted.

9.Last, but not the least, Indian army is weak because thay have never ever involved into any military coup, unlike Pakistan or Chile.

Our army is not Weak. So please don't ask such silly questions from next time.

是的。印度军队很弱。

1.印度军队很弱,因为它在世界顶级军队排名中才排名第四。

2.印度军队很弱,因为它已经连续赢得了4场对巴基斯坦的战争和1场对中国的战争。

3.印度军队的弱点在于它拥有世界上最快的巡航导弹布拉莫斯。它的范围大约是450公里,速度在2.8到3马赫之间。

4.印度军队实力薄弱,因为它拥有射程最远的“烈火”导弹群。目前正在开发的烈火六号导弹射程将达到12000公里。

5.印度军队实力薄弱,因为它控制着世界最高的战场——海拔5000米左右的锡亚琴冰川。

6.印度军队很弱,因为它不强迫征募,因此拥有世界上最大的“自愿”军队。

7.印度军队很弱,因为尽管我们的军队在人数上远远落后,但在隆格瓦尔战役中只伤亡了2人。这就是印度军队的英勇。

8.印度军队实力薄弱,因为它实施了“拉哈特行动”,这是迄今为止全世界实施的规模最大的平民救援行动。共有2万多人被成功空运。

9.最后一样重要的是,印度军队很弱,因为他们从未参与过任何军事政变,不像巴基斯坦和智利。

我们的军队一点儿也不弱。所以下次请不要问这么愚蠢的问题。

 

Alcatraz Dey, Human, Endurance Biker & Author (2018-present)

Me: Sometimes I feel so bad that I cannot reply befittingly to everyone who question the capabilities of the Indian Army.

Coursemate (Captain in 9 Para SF): From the past 70 years, we have kept the enemies away giving up our lives day after day. A few attacks hyped by the media are shown here and there and everyone loses their mind. Tell any one of these incompetents to spend one day with me in Siachen without food holding a rifle, roaming around the border to safeguard it. Let me see how many will point fingers then.

Despite having enemies on all sides, the army has kept us all safe for so many years and assisted in so many rescue operations selflessly.

It is not weak, it is tolerant because it gives us the right to open our phone, log in on social platforms and point fingers at it.

我:有时我感觉很糟,我无法对每一个质疑印度军队能力的人作出恰当地回应。

从过去的70年里,我们每天都在牺牲自己的生命阻止敌人。告诉这些无能的人,让他们和我到锡亚琴呆上一天,不带食物,拿着来复枪,在边境上巡逻,保卫这篇荼毒。让我看看有多少人还敢指指点点。

尽管四面受敌,印度军队这么多年来一直保护着国家安全,无私地进行了许多救援行动。

印度军队并不软弱的,相反它很容忍,因为它给了我们打开手机、登录社交平台大放厥词的权利。

 

Bhagyesh Gayakwad, Btech Mechanical Engineering & Defense Aspirant, ITM (2020)

1 U. S..

2 Russia.

3 China.

4 India.

So you can say we are weaker than above 3 countries but overall there are 195 countries in the world among which our position is number 4. Do you still think this is a bad position? If yes then have a look on the following things which shocked the whole world and make the Indian army, one of the deadliest army in the world

1美国。

2俄罗斯。

3中国。

4 印度。

所以你可以说我们比上述3个国家更弱,但总的说来,全世界有195个国家,我们的排名第4位。你还认为这个排名不够好吗?

 

Alok Kumar, This is where I desire to be!

Let me just narrate you a small incident.

A school headmistress (H) calls the father (F) of a student.

H: Hello Sir, this is Mrs.*****, the principal of ***** school where your son ***** studies.

F: Hello.

H: We are pleased to inform you that we have started a new system of accessing the progress of students during the class tests which allows the parents to get to know their childs' performance as an when the test is taking place.

F: All right.

H: I am now going to transfer this call to the Maths teacher, Mr.***** who is about to conduct a test for your child. Please stay connected!

The Maths teacher (M) takes up the call and introduces himself to the father of the student and tells him that he should stay connected as his sons' performance will be accessed right in front of him. The test starts!

我来给你们讲一件小事。

女校长(H)给一名学生的父亲(F)打电话。

H:先生您好,我是***** *夫人,您儿子*****就读的****学校的校长。

F:您好。

H:我们很高兴地通知您,我们已经启动了一个新的系统,可以在考试期间了解学生的进度,这样家长就可以在考试时了解孩子的表现。

F:好的。

H:我现在要把这个电话转给数学老师*****先生,他要给你的孩子做一个测试。请保持联系!

数学老师(M)接起电话,向学生的父亲做了自我介绍,并告诉他保持通话,他儿子的成绩即可就将呈现。测试开始!

译文来源:三泰虎 http://www.santaihu.com/48542.html 译者:Joyceliu

M: Ma'am do you think he (son) will be able to solve this problem?

H: I doubt.

M: Actually I think he won't. He is useless.

H: I guess, he is not at all attentive in class.

M: You can leave this one, don’t waste time.

Hearing all this, the father of the student gets furiated.

F: What sort of teachers are you. You aren't letting him try even and overall discouraging him badly. He won't know his real potential unless and until he tries.

M: Mr.***** this is exactly what you have been doing since past one month on the social media.

Sharing posts and commenting that our defence forces are nowhere close to that of China and in case an urgency arises we won't be able to counter them. Isn't that discouraging your own peers and mates who are selflessly ready to sacrifice their life for people like us. Shouldn’t we motivate them and stand alongside?

The father of the student feels ashamed and dejected on hearing this.

I think, you must have got your answer. It’s the common people like us who make the Indian Defence strong or weak.

M:女士,你认为他(儿子)能解决这个问题吗?

H:我怀疑。

男:实际上我认为他不会。他很没用。

H:我想,他上课一点也不专心。

M:你可以走了,别浪费时间了。

听到这一切,学生的父亲大发雷霆。

F:你们是什么样的老师?你们都没让他试试,只是一直打击他。除非他试一试,否则他不会知道自己真正的潜力。

M:先生。这就是你一个月来在社交媒体上一直在做的事情。

分享帖子并评论说,我们的国防力量远不及中国,如果出现紧急情况,我们将无力反击。这难道不是在打击你的同伴和伙伴吗?他们为我们这样的人无私地牺牲自己的生命。难道我们不应该激励他们,站在他们一边吗?

学生的父亲听了感到十分羞愧和尴尬。

我想你已经得到了答案。像我们这样的普通人,能让印度的国防变得强大或脆弱。

 

Kunal Singh, B.tech ECE from Vellore Institute of Technology, Vellore (2020)

Ohh Man! you made me laugh.

We are 4th largest army in the world and you think we are weak.

Man there is a psychological problem with this world if you are “peace loving” then they think you are weak that’s why you don’t fight with me.

May be we have less defense budget that doesn't mean we have a weak army.We have less budget because we have 10 times cheaper technology.

哦亲!你的问题让我忍不住笑了。

我们是世界第四大军队,你却认为我们很弱。

兄弟,这个世界上有一种心理疾病,如果你“爱好和平”,他们就会认为你很脆弱,所以你才不跟我斗。

也许我们的国防预算比别国少,但这并不意味着我们的军队很弱。我们的预算更少,是因为我们有便宜十倍的技术。

 

Anup Singh, works at Indian Air Force

Well, you must either be stupid or really stupid to put up such a question on a really useful forum. I did not say that you are acting stupid because no one can be so stupid.

Do you know anything about indian defence forces? Or you think you know anything about defence forces of China or Pakistan? Only a stupid idiot, such as yourself would dare comparing armies. We lost 1962 because of idiocrisy of Mr. Nehru. Similarily, we won 1965 and 1975 because our leaders gave the top brass free hand to go about.

But, it is a different situation altogether. Battles are not only won by weapons, it is also won by strength of our backs and tactical leadership, which I am sure you know nothing of.

My sincere suggestions is that you should check yourself for Iodine deficiency. It can cause brains to respond slowly. And pls stop asking such foolish questions or people would mistake your identity with that of Rahul babas

嗯,你居然在一个这么一个论坛上提出这样的问题,你要么愚蠢,要么非常愚蠢。我并不是说你在装傻,因为没有人会这么傻。

你了解印度国防军吗?或者你以为你很了解中国或巴基斯坦的国防力量?只有像你这样的白痴才敢对军队之间作比较。因为尼赫鲁先生的愚蠢,我们在1962年输了。可我们在1965年和1975年都取得了胜利,因为我们的领导人放手让高层自由决定。

但是,这是完全两码事。战争的胜利不仅靠武器,也靠我们的后援力量和战术上的领导,我相信你们对此一无所知。

我真诚的建议你去查一查自己是否缺碘。缺碘会导致大脑反应缓慢。请不要再提问这种愚蠢的问题,否则人们会把你和拉胡尔先生的身份搞错的。

 

Deepak Tewari, Trainee at KPIT Technologies (2016-present)

My sympathies are with the one who asked this question. Indian Army is weak because of the type of people who ask these type of question.

It is weak because:

1.It uses SSB procedure to select officers. SSB is regarded as the toughest exam in the world. (Yes you heard that right… world). So to become a part of the weak, you have to clear a damn tough exam. (Offf butthurt)

2.It is the fourth strongest armies in the world.

3.It currently has 14.5 lakh active personnel and 11.5 lakh reserve personnel. Ranked second in terms of active personnel. (OMG so weak)

4.It actively engages in help activities during natural calamities( only a weak army can coordinate well in all kind of terrains and situations)

5.Last but not the least, it gives us soldiers who say the following kind of weak words:

我同情提出这个问题的人。印度军队很弱,因为人们会问这样的问题。

它很弱,因为:

1.它使用SSB程序来选择官员。SSB被认为是世界上最难的考试。(是的,你没听错……全世界)。所以要成为弱者的一部分,你必须通过一场难得要死考试。

2.它是世界上第四强大的军队。

3.现有现役人员1450万人,预备役人员115万人。活跃人员排名第二。

4.在自然灾害中积极参与救援活动(只有弱小的军队才能很好地协调各种地形和情况)

5.最后同样重要的是,它给了我们说这种软话的士兵:

If death strikes me before I prove my blood, I swear I will kill death.

-Capt. Manoj Kumar Pandey.

If a man says he is not afraid of dying, he is either lying or he is a Gurkha.

-FM. Sam Manekshaw.

These soldiers not only said it, they proved it.

如果死亡在我证明我的血统之前就来袭,我发誓我会杀死死亡。

-Manoj Kumar Pandey。

如果一个人说他不害怕死亡,他要么是在说谎,要么就是廓尔喀士兵。

-Sam Manekshaw。

这些士兵不仅说了这些话,而且做到了。

 

Major wars/conflicts India has fought after independence are:

India-China Military conflict of 1967:

It was not a war, but a conflict. Result: Indian victory.

Indo-Pakistani War of 1965:

Result: Inconclusive. Ceasefire. No boundary changes.

Indo-Pakistani War of 1971:

Result: Indian victory. No boundary changes.

Indo-Pakistani War of 1999:

Result: Indian victory. No boundary changes. Pakistan was pushed back.

Even knowing the history of mighty Indian army, asking this question is looking silly from you. Hope you I cleared your doubt.

只要我们看看世界上最强大的国家名单,我们就会清楚印度在世界上最强大的军队名单中所处的位置。印度只比另外三个国家弱,但比其他国家都要强。

印度独立后发生过的主要战争/冲突有:

1967年中印军事冲突:

这不是一场战争,而是一场冲突。结果:印度胜利。

1965年印巴战争:

结果:不确定。停火。边界线不变。

1971年印巴战争:

结果:印度胜利。边界线不变。

1999年印巴战争:

结果:印度胜利。边界线不变。巴基斯坦被击退。

即使知道强大的印度军队的历史,提出这个问题也是极其愚蠢的。希望我的回答让你脑子清醒一点了。

 

I would like to mention one more thing here :-

Do you ever heard about Siachen ?

- Siachen is the worlds largest battle ground, at a height of over 7,000 meters, is located in the Kashmir region of Jammu and Kashmir. For years, India and Pakistan have been fighting over the region of Siachen.

Presently India holds two-thirds of the glacier and has commands over two of the three passes whereas Pakistan controls Gyong La pass.

The Indian Army controls a few of the highest peaks. The situation of the area is as such that Pakistani Army cannot get up to the glacier.

And you're saying, Indian Army is weak army!

(A Proud Indian)

因为印度军队接受的是在地球上对抗人类的训练,而不是外星人。

因为,它是地球上第四强大的军队,并不那么弱!

我想在这里再提一件事:

你听说过锡亚琴吗?

锡亚琴是世界上最大的战场,海拔7000多米,位于查谟克什米尔地区。多年来,印度和巴基斯坦一直在争夺锡亚琴地区。

目前,印度控制着三分之二的冰川,并控制着三个通道中的两个,而巴基斯坦控制着Gyong La pass。

印度军队控制着一些最高的山峰。该地区的情况是,巴基斯坦军队无法到达冰川。

而你居然敢说,印度军队是软弱的军队!

(一个自豪的印度人)

 

Umang Kheria, Budding Entrepreneur

I won't provide you with facts to prove how true your claim is.

But this one question tells us a lot about you.

1.Most probably you are not an Indian . You are from a country which has an army weaker than India and you are jealous of this fact.

2.Maybe you once had some kind of altercation with this weak army , where you were thrashed /beaten up (punished)for committing a crime.

3.This weak army had a surgical strike once in a country which is known to harbour terrorists , maybe you are a proud citizen of that beautiful country(no hard feelings for the innocent ones) .

4.Also , maybe one of the pellet gun shots hit you hard. But it was your fault , why did you throw stones ?

我不会向你摆事实来证明你的说法是多么正确。

但是这个问题向我们泄露了很多关于你的信息。

1.你很可能不是印度人。你来自一个军队比印度还弱的国家,你嫉妒这个事实。

2.也许你曾经和这支软弱的军队发生过冲突,你因为犯罪而被痛扁过。

3.这支软弱的军队曾经在一个以窝藏恐怖分子而闻名的国家进行过一次外科手术式的打击,也许你正是这个美丽国家的一个自豪的公民。

4.也许还有一颗子弹曾经狠狠地击中了你。但这是你的错,你为什么要扔石头?

 

Abhilash Kesav, Sr Designer at Dell EMC India (2018-present)

Nope Indian Army is not weak nor their men are weak.

They are thin compared to American or European counterparts because of the regimen & diet that they undergo. Please remember this doesn't mean they are weak.

What Indian army lacks when compared to US is infrastructure to project power across the world.

Couple of the answers pointed out that we are ranked 4th in world after China, which is dumb stupid reply, we are better than China because our military is Battle Hardened and experienced thanks to the Pakistan.

Hypothetically only county that could defeat India in an conventional war is US, even they would probably spiral down economically and disintegrated due to the war.

Yes due to undue stress coupled with worry of their family leading difficult life in India, they have high rates of deaths due to exhaustion or heart attack.

不,印度军队并不弱,他们的人民也不弱。

由于他们的养生之道和饮食结构,与美国或欧洲的士兵相比,他们很瘦。请记住,这并不意味着他们很软弱。

与美国相比,印度军队缺少的是在世界各地展示实力的军备设施。

一些答案指出,我们排在中国之后,排在世界第四,这是愚蠢的回答,我们比中国更好,因为多亏了巴基斯坦,我们的军队是经历过历练的。

我猜,只有美国能在常规战争中打败印度,即使他们可能会因为战争而在经济上收到创伤甚至崩溃。

是的,由于压力大,加上担心他们的家人过着艰难的生活,他们因为疲惫或心脏病发作,死亡率很高。

 

Krishnan, studied Master of Business Administration Degrees at Indian Institute of Management, Ahmedabad

Who told you that the Indian Army is weak ? It is among the best in the world. Of course, there are areas in which other armies have relative strength in terms of weapons systems. Fortunately, thanks to Chinese and the new political dispensation, the military is being given its due attention.

谁告诉你印度军队很弱?它是世界上最好的军队之一。当然,在某些领域,其他国家的军队在武器系统方面有相对优势。幸运的是,由于中国军队和新的政治体制,印度军队得到了应有的关注。

 

Dhruv Singhal

Hey! Are u completely illiterate?? If so, go commit suicide right away. There is so much information available on the web. Read it in case u r barely literate or better. In case u r from an under developed country like Pakistan, I can easily forgive u for being illiterate. But in case u r from China, well, God help that country becoz I thought they have a satisfactory education system (not as good as Singapore, Western Europe or the U. S.). The difference between India and the war loving countries of the world is that we approach defense from the perspective of maintaining our sovereignty & peace, not for creating trouble for other countries in the neighborhood & beyond. Do not forget the defeat gifted by the Indian forces to Pakistan in the 3 - 4 wars the latter initiated, just becoz Pakistan is now using demons (asuras or terrorists) instead of soldiers to fight a scattered war against India & other countries.

嘿!你是大字不识一个的文盲吗?如果是这样,赶紧自杀谢罪吧。网上有这么多的信息,好好读一读吧。如果你来自巴基斯坦等欠发达国家,我愿意原谅你的无知。但是如果你来自中国,那么,上帝保佑那个国家,因为我以为他们拥有令人满意的教育系统(虽然比不上新加坡、西欧或美国)。印度和全世界爱好战争的国家的区别在于,我们是从维护国家主权与和平的角度来进行防御,而不是为了给周边国家制造麻烦。不要忘记印度军队在巴基斯坦发动的3 - 4次战争中给巴基斯坦带去的失败打击,巴基斯坦现在用恶魔(阿修罗或恐怖分子)代替士兵进行针对印度和其他国家的战争。

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