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居住在上海的中年父母要搬家去孟买,孟买宜居吗

My middle-aged parents that currently live in Shanghai are moving to Mumbai, and I am worried. Is Mumbai a good place to live?

我那目前居住在上海的中年父母要搬家去孟买,我很担心。孟买是个宜居的地方吗?

孟买

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Rachit Shah, ADAS engineer.

Mumbai is a great place to live. Do not worry. Yes, there are some people who cause problems, but that happens almost in any city in the world.

Survival you ask? Unless, they roam out with gold jewelry all over themselves and throw out money from their pockets every now and then.. It should be fine. It is definitely not like the cities in Singapore or Japan, where there are honest people everywhere.

But, Mumbai does have its own share of nice people.

If they get lost anywhere in Mumbai, all they need to do is ask any damn guy around them and they will show you the where to head to.

The police department is very helpful and vigilant. They work around the clock to make sure the city sleeps well. At nights one will surely see cop cars and blocks here and there spread throughout the city.

孟买是一个宜居的好地方。不用担心。是的,有些人会制造麻烦,但世界上几乎每个城市都会发生这样的事。

你问能否生存?除非他们身上戴满黄金首饰到处闲逛,时不时地从口袋里掏出钱来。否则应该没问题。孟买绝对比不上新加坡或日本这样的城市,这些城市里都是良善之人。

但是,孟买也有好人。

如果他们在孟买迷路了,他们只需要问问周围的人,他们会给你指路的。

警察局非常乐于助人、警惕性很高。他们夜以继日地工作,以确保这座城市的市民能安枕无忧。在晚间,人们肯定能看到警车和街区在城市各处巡逻。

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Living in Mumbai is a struggle to many, so there are some downsides to it. Please ask your parents to talk to neighbors to get some idea about the tax/cab/rickshaw fares before they start to travel around the city. If not, the public transport in the city is pretty safe.

Avoid using the trains at the start as your parents may not be well acquainted with the rush-hour crowd and the tips and tricks to board the train safely. Survival should not be an issue unless they really indulge in anything problematic. Please select a good location for them to live. All the suburbs and the towns on the western line are nice places to live.

对许多人来说,住在孟买是一种挣扎,因此也有一些负面影响。在你的父母在孟买各处走走之前,请跟邻居们了解一下出租车/人力车的价格。当然这个城市的公共交通是相当安全的。

开始时不要搭乘火车,因为你的父母可能不太了解高峰时间人群会有多可怕,也不知道安全上车的技巧。在这里生存应该没有问题,除非他们沉迷于某些不良嗜好。请为他们选择一个好的居住地点。郊区和西部城镇都是不错的居住地。

 

Sudhanshoo Maroo, Investor

If we consider various aspects of living viz healthcare, public transport, utilities, safety (esp for women), security, education, people, culture, cost of living, etc, I would imagine that Mumbai is the best city to live in, in India. However, when you benchmark Mumbai on those parameters with cities elsewhere in the world, it is in the bottom quartile. That probably speaks a lot about the poor quality of life in Indian cities.

I have never been to Shanghai so a relative comparison is not possible. A recent survey of 140 world cities places Shanghai (Rank 79) much above Mumbai (Rank 116)

如果我们考虑到生活的各个方面,比如医疗保健、公共交通、公共设施、安全(尤其是女性)、教育、市民、文化、生活成本等等,我认为孟买是印度最宜居的城市。不过如果你拿这些参数跟世界其他地方的城市进行比较时,你会发现孟买排到倒数25%了。这可能说明了印度城市生活质量的低下。

我从没有去过上海,所以无法进行比较。最近一项对全球140个城市的调查显示,上海(排名79)远高于孟买(排名116)。

 

Arya Patnaik, lives in Mumbai, Maharashtra, India

Mumbai is the Shanghai of India, the financial capital of India. Here are my personal ratings out of 10 for both the cities:

Security: Shanghai 8, Mumbai 5

I would have rated Mumbai much higher, but for the terror attacks. Otherwise Mumbai is as safe as Shanghai, mostly even better

Public Transport: Shanghai 7, Mumbai 7

Mumbai does not have a metro (yet), but its local trains, BEST buses/A/C buses, rickshaws & taxs are an epitome of convenience. Dadar station in Mumbai is the People Square station of Shanghai, although a tad bit more crowded!

孟买就是印度的上海,印度的金融之都。以下是我个人对这两个城市的评分(满分10分):

安保:上海8分,孟买5分

如果不是因为恐怖袭击,我对孟买的评分会高得多。在其他方面孟买和上海一样安全,甚至还更好

公共交通:上海7分,孟买7分

孟买(目前)还没有地铁,但当地的火车、最好的公交车、人力车和出租车也很便利。孟买的达达尔站就是上海的人民广场站,只是稍微拥挤了些!

Infrastructure: Shanghai 8, Mumbai 6

Dont expect the huge specialty malls with hundreds of brands in each, mom & pop stores open 24 by7, flyovers that go round & round, buildings as tall as the TV tower or roads as wide. Mumbai still gets a 6 because the traffic jams are not as bad, restaurants that remain open almost till midnight & no power cuts in the main city (no sir, not even in summers!)

Environment: Shanghai 4, Mumbai 6

People: Shanghai 8, Mumbai 9

Expect the same level of super helpful people, rarely experienced in any other part of the world. The only reason I awarded 9 to Mumbai is because most people can converse in English. I told you, these are my personal ratings.

Let me know if there are any other areas to be compared.

基础设施:上海8分,孟买6分

别期待能看到拥有数百个品牌的大型专业购物中心,商店7×24小时开门营业,立交桥一圈又一圈,建筑物和电视塔一样高,一样宽阔的道路。孟买能得6分是因为交通堵塞没有那么严重,餐馆几乎到午夜才打烊,主要城市不会停电(是的先生,就算夏天也不停电!)

环境:上海4分、孟买6分

人物:上海8分,孟买9分

这里的人也是一样超级乐于助人,这在世界上其他地方都很罕见。我给孟买打了9分的唯一原因是,大多数人都能用英语交谈。我告诉过你,这是我个人的评分。

如果还有其他需要比较的地方,请告诉我。

 

Prakash Thorat, lives in Mumbai, Maharashtra, India

Living life in Mumbai can be understood from the following figures.

  • Most populous city in India.
  • Contributes to India’ s 33% tax collection.
  • Ranks top 50 in Global Financial centre Index
  • Bombay stock exchange is 3rd largest in the world.
  • Capital of India’ Pharmaceutical and film production industries.
  • South Asian Regional Head office of many multinational corporations
  • Average rainfall 2400 mm. Almost 60% rain falls in two months.
  • Often 30 to 40% Rains will fall in 2-3 events creating massive temporary flooding.
  • At least 20 times the high tide will be more than 4.5 meters preventing rain water to drain in sea.

孟买的生活可以通过以下数据了解一番。

  • 印度人口最多的城市。
  • 贡献了印度全国33%的税收。
  • 全球金融中心指数排名前50。
  • 孟买证券交易所是世界第三大交易所。
  • 印度制药行业和电影制作行业之都。
  • 许多跨国公司南亚地区总部所在地。
  • 平均降雨量2400毫米。近60%的降雨集中在两个月内。
  • 2-3次降雨通常会带来30-40%的降雨,造成大规模的短期洪涝。
  • 一年中至少有20次潮水高度超过4.5米,雨水无法流入大海。
  • Extreme population density 27000 persons in one square km.
  • Large floating population.
  • 52% live in slums and another 18% old buildings constructed hundred years back..
  • High structural density with 3 million structures.
  • 57 slums locations with 2.5 million are located in high tide line.
  • City coast line 170 km
  • 266 places can’t be stopped from getting flooded in high rains.
  • Extremely conested roads and 3 million vehicles.
  • Water supplying lakes located 140 km away (except two in city area catering to just 10%).
  • 人口密度极高:每平方公里2.7万人。
  • 流动人口规模很大。
  • 52%的人居住在贫民窟,另外18%的人居住在100年前建造的老旧建筑中。
  • 建筑密度高,有300万栋建筑。
  • 高潮线上有57个贫民窟,人口达250万。
  • 城市海岸线达170公里。
  • 暴雨时,266个地方注定被淹。
  • 道路极其狭窄,车辆达300万辆。
  • 供水湖泊位于140公里以外(城市地区的两个供水湖泊只能供应10%)。
  • 3 million people live around area prone to landslide.
  • Ask citizens what their problems are .20% say Housing, 15% education, 15% health,10% water and sanitation. Only 7% complain about employment.
  • 609 heritage buildings and 33 heritage precincts.
  • 70% activities are in service sector
  • The per capita income of mumbai is double the national income.
  • Everyday 4.5 million people enter mumbai and 4.46 millions leave out.
  • The central and western local trains carry 7 million people everyday while 5.5 are carried by transports.
  • BEST operates on 500 routes 4500 buses including 400 air-conditioned.
  • 79% of city roads below width of 30 mtrs.
  • 300万人居住在易发生山体滑坡的地区。
  • 询问市民他们有什么烦恼,20%的人说住房,15%的人说教育,15%的人说健康,10%的人说水和卫生。只有7%的人抱怨就业。
  • 拥有609栋文物建筑和33个文物区。
  • 70%的商业活动都集中在服务行业。
  • 孟买的人均收入是全国国民收入的两倍。
  • 每天有450万人进入孟买,446万人离开。
  • 中西部地区的火车每天载客量为700万人次,其中550万人次由交通工具运送。
  • BEST拥有500条线路、4500辆公交车,其中400辆安装了空调。
  • 79%的城市道路宽度在30米以下。
  • Passenger traffic in suburban railway increased since its inception but capacity of infrastructure increased only by 2.3 times.
  • In peak hour, one local train carry 4500 passengers against capacity of 1750.
  • Mumbai airport handles 31 million foreign tourists and 54 million domestic tourist a year.
  • The mumbai airport handles 685 flight a day that is one landing or take off every after 2 mins
  • Water daily requirement is 4000 mld but supply is 3350 mld. But per capita supply is higher than national standard.
  • Only 62% water is billed rest is free to poor people.
  • City generates 2680 mld sewerage water but only 1700 mld is collected.
  • There are 176 outlets from where city water gets into sea.
  • City generates everyday 800 trucks of garbage and 4700 tons construction debris.
  • 郊区铁路自建成以来客流量增加,但基础设施容量仅增加2.3倍。
  • 在高峰时段,一列本地列车载客量为4500人,但荷载量仅1750人。
  • 孟买机场每年接待3100万外国游客和5400万国内游客。
  • 孟买机场每天起降685次航班,每2分钟降落或起飞一次
  • 日需水量4000 mld,供水3350 mld。但人均供应量仍高于国家标准。
  • 只有62%的供水是收费的,余下的都是免费供应给穷人的。
  • 城市污水排放量为2680 mld,但回收量仅为1700 mld。
  • 有176个城市用水入海排水口。
  • 城市每天产生800辆卡车的垃圾和4700吨建筑垃圾。
  • Only 10 % garbage is recycled. Despite these odds, Mumbai declared as cleanest mega city of India.
  • 590 mld water per day can be generated if citizens harvest rain.
  • Only 65% city is developed.15 lakh crores are required to fully develop it.
  • 1.1 million houses are required. 1.3 lakhs flat unsold as developers refusing to cut down prices.
  • 80% citizens go to private doctors for treatment .7% babies are born at home
  • 仅10%的垃圾得以回收。尽管比例不高,孟买依然被评为印度最干净的大城市。
  • 如果市民收集雨水,每天可产生590mld的水。
  • 该城只有65%的地区得到开发。完全开发需要15万亿卢比的费用。
  • 该城有110万套住房的缺口。由于开发商拒绝降价,13万套公寓尚未售出。
  • 80%的市民找私人医生看诊治病,7%的婴儿在家出生。

 

Salil Deshpande

'Worried about their survival'? Don't know what you have been reading, but there's really no cause for alarm. Sure, it's a bustling city. Sure, the traffic sucks, as do the rentals. But by any standards, Mumbai is livable. Eminently.

It only gets better if you have a fatter wallet, which will give you flexbility when choosing your locality. This is the single most important decision you make in Mumbai. Your experience will depend largely on where (and how) you live.

That apart, Mumbai pretty much has it all. Plenty of comforts, the best medical facilities, all kinds of eat-outs, vartiety in entertainment and recreation, excellent connectivity to the world, 24x7x365 power supply (not so for rest of the country) and a cosmopolitan, expat-friendly culture.

It's unclear what your parents are going to be here for. The only other place which might be (marginally) better is Pune. Senior-citizen friendly, good weather, increasingly multi-cultural and definitely more affordable than Mumbai.

Hope this helps.

“担心他们能否生存”?不知道你之前看到了什么,但真的没有必要惊慌。当然,这是一个繁华的城市。当然,交通糟透了,房租也一样。但以任何标准衡量,孟买都是适宜居住的。非常宜居。

当然,若你荷包鼓鼓,你选择住所会更加灵活。这是你在孟买做出的最重要的决定。你的体验将在很大程度上取决于你住在哪里(以及住得如何)。

除此之外,孟买几乎拥有一切。这里有舒适的环境,最好的医疗设施,各种各样的餐馆,娱乐设施齐全,与世界互联互通,电力供应24×7×365全年无休(印度其他地区就达不到了),以及国际化、对外国人十分友好的文化。

现在还不清楚你父母来这里干什么。唯一可能(稍微)更好的地方是浦那。对老年人十分友好,天气好,文化多元,生活成本也比孟买更便宜。

希望我的回答对你有帮助。

 

Vikrama Dhiman,

For the elderly and I am assuming retired people, Mumbai is definitely not the place to be at. Its not elderly friendly by any stretch of imagination. The life is hectic, public transport crowded and health care bustling at seams. Only plus point is that people are generally helpful and its generally more secure. As they would live in an apartment complex, they would have security but constant haggle of other dwellers. If they have relatives living close by, it would be great help.

Bangalore is another city which comes to mind. The weather is good, generally less pollution, lots of open stretches. If you live around where you need to be, no problem of traffic either - although the public transport sucks.

However, the pick of the lot would be Chandigarh, Dehradoon or other hill stations - other than an extreme winter climate, everything going for it.

对于老年人,假设是退休的老人,孟买绝对不是一个宜居地。无论怎么想,这里对老年人都不太友好。生活忙碌,公共交通拥挤,医院人满为患。唯一的好处是,人们普遍乐于助人,而且通常更安全。因为他们会住在公寓大楼里,所以他们会有安全感,但经常得和其他住户起争执。如果他们有亲戚住在附近,那就太好了。

班加罗尔是我想到的另一个不错的城市。天气很好,总体而言污染也较少,有很多开阔地带。如果你住在你得去的地方附近,交通也不会有问题——尽管公共交通很糟糕。

不过,最佳的选择会是昌迪加尔、迪赫拉顿或其他避暑山区——除了极端的冬季气候,一切都很好。

 

Anil Bahuman, lives in Mumbai, Maharashtra, India

Arguably, the best city in India. Cosmopolitan, meritocratic and chic. If your idea of paradise is a land of only rich people - Mumbai is not for you. But in Mumbai's coastal waterfront when you see the rich and poor alike enjoying the waters, sand and skyline, you can't help admit that this is as close - as egalitarian - as paradise can get. There is no doubt that life is a struggle in this city for something like 99% and this needs to be improved. In spite of its glaring faults, Mumbai is a good place to call home

孟买可以说是印度最好的城市。大都会,精英汇聚,又很潮。如果你认为天堂是富人的天下,那么孟买不适合你。但在孟买的海滨,当你看到富人和穷人都在享受着海水、白沙和地平线时,你不禁会承认,这是跟天堂最接近、最平等的地方。毫无疑问,在这个城市生活,对99%的人来说都必须辛苦奋斗,这一点需要改善。尽管孟买有明显的缺点,但它是一个可称为家的好地方。

 

Anonymous

Mumbai is not a healthy place to live for children and old people. Life expectancy in India is 69 years but for those living in Mumbai, it is 59 years. I returned home to Mumbai after over 25 years and find it difficult to get around, take a walk, cross the road and there is a constant haze of smog.

Unless your parents were living in Mumbai earlier, have been away for less than 5 years, have a place to live in south Mumbai or on the island city till Mahim off main roads, they should consider other options.

对于儿童和老人来说,孟买不是一个对健康有益的居住地。印度人的预期寿命是69岁,而孟买人的预期寿命才59岁。25年后我回到孟买的家,发现到处都是雾霾,散步、过马路都很困难。

除非你的父母之前曾住在孟买,离开孟买也不满5年,在孟买南部或在这个海岛城市远离主干道的地方有居所,否则他们应该考虑其他选择。

 

Subrahmanyam Kvj, lives in Mumbai, Maharashtra, India

I would strongly second what Anon user wrote. Mumbai is indeed a good place to live, but it all depends on what kind of area that you are willing to accept and the associated cost, commute-time challenges. The city is quite safe and has a public transport system that, well, works. But you can expect a crowd practically anywhere you go, given Mumbai's huge population. Healthcare facilities, particularly from the private sector are top-notch. Traffic snarls are common and that is all the more reason why they should consider staying as close to place of work as possible (assuming they are).

You might also want to consider your parents living in the satellite cities of Thane or Navi Mumbai which have, IMO, a better quality of life

我强烈支持Anon网友所写的内容。孟买确实是一个宜居的好地方,但这完全取决于你愿意接受什么样的地区,还要综合考虑生活成本和通勤时间的问题。这个城市的治安不错,有发达的公共交通系统。不过,考虑到孟买人口众多,走到哪里都是人挤人。医疗设施,尤其是私立医院的医疗设施是一流的。交通堵塞很寻常,这也是为什么他们应该考虑尽量住在离工作地点近的地方。

你也可以考虑一下让你的父母住在塔纳或新孟买的卫星城,在我看来,这些城市的生活质量会更好。

 

Harsh Mehta, studied at Mumbai, Maharashtra, India

It is a Good Place to Live …… But there are some big Advantages & Problem with Mumbai …. So First Lets start with Advantages as follows:-

1- Limitless Opportunities , there is reason it is Considered City of Dreams

2- Metropolitian Society , we have All kind of People in Mumbai regardless of Caste , ethnicity etc

3 - Relatively Quite Safe than Other Indian Cities, mumbai Police is one of the Best in the Country

4 - Good Restaurants and A great Night Life

5 - Good Education System

6 - Amazing Coast Line , If the coast Line is Maintained and Kept Clean it is really Beautiful

孟买是一个宜居的城市,但是孟买也有很多优势和问题。所以,我们先说说优点吧:

1 -有无限的机会,被称作梦想之城是有理由的

2 -大都市社会,孟买有各色人群,不分种姓、种族等

3 -相对于印度其他城市孟买更安全,孟买的警方是印度最好的警方之一

4 -拥有优质餐厅和美好的夜生活

5 -良好的教育体系

6 -令人惊叹的海岸线,如果海岸线得以保养、维持整洁,它真的非常漂亮

Now Lets Talk abt Disadvantages as Follows :-

1- It is very Expensive , both in terms of cost of living and Real Estate also and we have Octroi tax which makes every Item Expensive .

2- Quality Of Infrastructure is Horrible , Roads are in a very Bad shape in most parts of the city due to high Corruption and substandard quality of construction , Railways are Packed above their Normal Capacity, Drainage systems always fail in monsoon which results in the City getting Water Logged during Monsoon

3-Air Pollution is Very High

4- It is very Cramped Up and there is always very High Traffic so takes a lot of time to travel from Point A to B

5 - Not very Easy to Find Domestic Help

6 - Quality Of Life not very High if we compare the amount of Money we spend on a Daily Basis ..

So these are some basic Things i could come up with , but regardless of all the shortcomings i just love my City as a Fanatic , i wud say

现在我们来谈谈它的缺点:

1 -孟买的物价高,生活成本和房地产价格都很高,我们有商品入市税,提高了所有商品的价格。

2 -基础设施的质量很可怕,由于腐败严重和不合格的建设质量,城市的大部分地区道路状况很糟糕,火车总是超载,雨季时城市排水系统总是出问题,导致城市积水。

3 -空气污染非常严重

4 -非常拥挤,交通总是非常拥堵,所以从A地到B地总要花费很长时间

5 -要想找家政,不太容易

6 -如果我们对比一下每天的日常花费,生活质量并不是很高

这些就是我能想到的一些基本的东西,但尽管有这些缺点,我还是很热爱我的城市。

 

Anonymous

Mumbai is a great place to live if you own the place you are living in. The rent rates are one of the highest in the world.

As far as life goes, there are lots of people around (literally). So your parents won't feel lonely, thats for sure. There is absolutely nothing you can't do there, so if they have hobbies to get them through the day - things should be fine.

But on the other hand, if they plan to work when in Mumbai then God help them! Commuting is hell.

如果你拥有自己的居所,孟买是一个非常宜居的地方。这里的房租之高是全球之冠。

就生活而言,人口很多(真的很多)。所以你的父母不会感到孤独,这是肯定的。在孟买,绝对没有什么是你做不了的,所以如果他们有兴趣爱好可以度日——一切都会很不错的。

但另一方面,如果他们计划在孟买工作,那么愿神保佑他们!在这里通勤简直是人间地狱。


Eric DaCosta, lives in India

Mumbai is exceptionally survivable. Particularly if you're living in the suburbs. Places from Borivli to Malad do have areas with a comparatively lower level of traffic.

Commuting is problematic during rush hours (8-11 am and 4.30-8 pm) but otherwise quite comfortable.

It may not be the exact same standard of living as Shanghai, but it isn't uncomfortable at the least.

Like Salil I would also recommend Pune (Aundh in particular). It is fairly less crowded and has wide open spaces and lesser traffic in the interior areas

孟买是一个非常容易生存的城市。特别是如果你住在郊区的话。从博里夫利到马拉德,这些地方的交通相对不那么方便。

上下班高峰期(早上8点到11点,下午4点30到8点)会是个问题,但其他时间却很舒服。

这里的生活水平可能和上海不一样,但至少不会让人感到不舒服。

像Salil一样,我也推荐浦那(尤其是阿恩德)。它相对不那么拥挤,有较宽广的开阔空间,城区内交通不那么拥堵。

 

Stanford Sequeira, Dream Chaser & NYU Grad

Not to be very harsh, but this is the reality

Bombay was a good place, Mumbai - well is no more. If you are thinking of moving here with older parents, please drop the idea immediately, As for your parents - I’m sorry but this place is not senior citizen friendly, They will have a tough time. Think twice before you send them here. Mumbai doesn't have the capability to give senior citizens a trouble free life.

不想说得很难听,但这就是现实。

孟买曾是一个好地方,孟买——好吧,好景不再了。如果你想搬到这里和年长的父母一起住,请马上放弃这个想法,至于你的父母——我很抱歉,这个地方不适合老年人,他们得熬上一段。把他们送到这儿来之前,务必三思。孟买无法让老年人过上无忧无虑的生活。

 

Navin p, studied at James Cook University

I lived in Mumbai for 2 years, I'm basically from calicut Kerala a small beach side city, currently residing at Singapore.

You will get fair quality of life style if you reside at worli/navi Mumbai/church gate area, transportation is quite cheap but its kind of rough, if you intend to use the suburban trains for daily transportation it will be hard struggle. You will feel very claustrophobic unless you are a crowd lover and can tolerate loud noises.

Finally my opinion/advice is to chose pune over Mumbai as they are elderly people.

我在孟买生活了两年,我来自卡利卡特喀拉拉邦,一个小的海滨城市,目前居住在新加坡。

如果你住在渥里/新孟买/教堂门地区,你的生活质量会很不错,交通很便宜,但是有点粗犷,如果你打算搭乘市郊火车来进行日常交通,那会很艰难的。除非你是一个喜欢拥挤的人,并能忍受很大的噪音,否则你会感到非常幽闭恐惧的。

最后,我的观点/建议是选择浦那,而非孟买,因为他们是老年人。

 

Dhwani Bharma

Mumbai is the best place you can live in India. This city is actually the city that never sleeps .The people are amazing and helpful also very friendly. You get all facilities here and everything is so convenient. The best place to live in Mumbai would be either, any place in south mumbai or bandra carter road or linking road.

孟买是你在印度能居住的最好的地方。这个城市是个不夜城,当地人很善良,乐于助人,也很友好。这里设施齐全,一切都很方便。孟买最宜居的地方是,孟买南部或班德拉卡特路或支路的地方。

 

Shobhana Kapoor, teacher

I love Mumbai and inspite of all its short comings I can't think of living anywhere else. I feel Mumbai's transport system , cosmopolitan outlook , education system,health care are better than other cities in India.

我爱孟买,尽管它有很多不足,但我想不出还能住到其他哪里去。我觉得孟买的交通系统、国际视野、教育系统、医疗条件都比印度其他城市要更好。

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