If sl very vanished from world then why can't caste sy em vanish from India?
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Amar Vamsi Krishna, A Mechanical Engineer with a fr for life
They still est and get reservations.
Because Indians are the most narrow minded, selfish people in the world. Some section and states of India wants to live in the past and never wants to move ahead. They drive Cars but in reality they are going to the future still in the bullock carts
Manjeet Mehta, studied at Krishna Institute of Engineering and Technology, Ghaziabad
1. I didnt want to hurt anyone but think about points wisely.
2. Caste sy em can't be removed until we remove caste based reservation.Even school going kids are aware of caste of their friend.
3.If caste reservation is removed after 10 years of independence as discussed during 1950 .I guarantee that most of us have forgotten what is caste .as only our caste certificate again and again tell that hey I'm sc or st or general
4.Every Sc/St should think about it because reservation help them to get govt. Job or help in college but they also have to live with a shame (ask yourself).
5.If reservation is removed then coming generation will forget about caste sy em and country will soon be in list of developed nation.
K Sree Harsha, Mechanical Engineering
Well caste sy em is not at all sl very ,chatur varna ( caste sy em ) was just a social structure that was successfully imparted in society according to duties and occupation ,and today we have different social structure in our society 'the occupation or duties ' relating to varna is lost but only caste feeling is left among the people ,Even in chatur varna everybody is equal !
Rswamy Subrnian, Enrich your thoughts, and live a life of your own.
Slavery has not vanished, only the word sl very has been substituted by other words. A desire to control one person by another in any form is sl very. Knowingly or unknowingly, it is still happening in every part of the world. A sy em that restricts the activities of people on the basis of ethnicity, nationality, re gion, etc. are sl very. A desire to control one nation by another is also sl very. It is a universal phenomena, and is also an inbuilt mind-set of every person. Only the law of the land differentiates it.
This really happened when I was studying
I had a servant who used to work in my house. Suddenly her wife got ill at that time. so he borrowed Rs.10000 from my father for her medicines and treatment & transport .As he admitted her in a go nment hospital, the doctor who checked her opted some treatment. after 2 days she died , So my servent gave a police compnt on doctor who treated her .What the truth is that the doctor is not minimum e gible for performing a surgery as the hospital recruited him based on his caste rather than his merit.This is most bitter in dent & my servent decided to give up the case after some time bcz he can't afford to hire lawyers for the case.Trust me guys this is not only the in dent many such in dents happen in go nment hospitals of India
I am not ag inst caste sy em but caste sy em may be more prevalent in education ,How can be caste sy em really opted in employment wing?
Yogisha Selvanathan, works at Indian Revenue Service, Income Tax (2017-present)
It's origin is the major reason . Slavery, feudalism etc were abolished because they didn't have their origin linked to re gion unlike caste sy em . Caste sy em is based on the re gious beliefs of Indians (particularly Hindus and later had its influence even among Chr tians and Mus ms in India ). If we need to abolish caste sy em it will trigger the re gious sentiments of the people and go nments that come to power also want to play safe and use it for their own benefits and po iticise caste which makes it even more difficult to abolish .
Neha Shrivastava, quixotic
Firstly sl very and caste sy em are two very different things. It's not as reletable as- that since crude oil prices have gone down in world market, why doesn't petrol prices come down.
People never wanted to be sl ves, there was no sense of community or belongingness with sl ves - may be because they never had the fre m to intermingle with each other and discuss their issues.
While caste sy em has a sense of identity with people. It gives them a sense of belonging to a group or community. People don't just want to get out of their castes coz belonging to a caste is not cruel upon them in any way. In fact it has its own merits too.
There are of course some negative effects with it, especially when po itics tries to take advantage of the community feeling for their vested interests.
But you can't just take away people's since of belonging suddenly, you can't expect them to give up their sense of community.
Rohith Pothepalli, indian
No people of India will not accept it and without the ve bank po iticians can't do anythng. ....
best thing to do is apply reservation for everyone including OC , BC , SC ,ST
Based on the population and. ....Let us suppose, We have 40 % Oc population 30 % BC population
20 % SC population 10 % ST population
基于人口，让我们假设，我们有40% 最高级种姓人口、30%低种姓人口、 20%表列种姓人口、10%表列部落人口
Reservations should be like
Gen -50% ( as our constitution says reservation should not exceed 50%)
Now social justice and equality ensures its place
Discmer : above discussion and numbers are took for example ... Take it easy ....
I will give you a direct and straight forward answer. The caste sy em is the biggest co ption of Indian society. Unfortunately, people are not aware of the reality of ancient India and the vedic period. In vedic literature like the rigveda, there is not a single mention of any kind of caste sy em and there is also no mention of any re gion. People were simply classified according to their profession( teacher, businessman, worker etc). The caste sy em has been created by the british to divide and rule India. The aryan invasion theory was a theory used by the british to divide and rule the country. Unfortunately, people are not aware of these things and they blindly accept what is handed down to them by society. People should do some research and understand that India never had any kind of divisions and that everyone was treated equally. The vedic period upholds everyone as equal and upholds the dignity of labour. The vedic period is the reality of India because it speaks of only one race that is the human race and the vedic literature speaks just about spirituality and not about any caste sy em or re gion. I hope that my answer helps you. Cheers
Vishal Paike, works at Technothlon
Condition of Shudras today is much more different than it was before independence. Before independence Shudras were treated miserably by our caste sy em. So they did want caste sy em to vanish from our society.
After independence, reservation was introduced which meant to increase the representation of lower caste people in society so they can fight ag inst the injustice of caste sy em . But today group of people from these castes are using reservation again and again unfairly. They feel that they should be privileged because their ancestors have suffered and they will never let go of this reservation.
On the other hand, (so called) upper caste people are crying because of their losses due to reservation. Today these people want to call themselves backward or lower caste just to get reservation. We can look at the Jat movement in Rajsthan, Patels in Gujrat, Marathas in Maharashtra. All these castes are considered to have major representation in their own states.
But they still want to be called backward.
Reservation, which was introduced to reduce the gap between different castes, has itself become a poison dividing the society.
Thus, people will never let go of the caste sy em to eat the fruits of reservation and reservation will not end until the caste sy em is vanished. It has become a deadlock.
So it is safe to say that caste sy em won't ever vanish from India.
Vishal Nagula, Indian by birth
Answer is a partial YES. We are still following the older caste sy em only with very less changes made in them. But today, in 21 century things have changed a lot but caste sy em is not much updated.
Mainly people who are pursuing education are suffering due to this sy em. According to me this sy em should be modified because there are SC people who are quite rich and also general people who sometimes can't even afford bread and butter. So the modification has to be done to eliminate this biasness. And in some crucial fields like education and medical this sy em has to be removed completely.
Mani Duraisamy, Po itically (In)Correct
Because caste sy em is different from sl very
Slavery has got profit motives. Humans were traded as commodities with a price tag attached to them. Caste sy em never works like that. The question likens the Shudras to velleins, helots and Negroes. This is wrong. True, there was and is institutionalized discrimination practiced ag inst Shudras- but some wont call it discrimination, rather we would call it 'culture' and 'personal fre m' when we refuse to rent room to a certain caste. But thats a different topic altogether.
Anyway, coming to the main question: Why cant caste sy em vanish from India?. Because caste is an identity- an occupational identity. I have not seen any Shudra being traded by upper-castes. I dont think we have sunk so low as that-( I would love to be contradicted though). Shudras get paid based on the work they do. Inequality is a part of life and its needed for the flow of wealth, privileges and education. But when its forced upon us ag inst our free will, then thats discrimination. The problem comes when they are not allowed to grow up further and move in to other professions, or that they dont get enough opportunities to further their career prospects. This is where discrimination begins.
The Brits when they were ruling us ned how , the Dalits, women and other minorities were so under-represented. Thus they introduced the concept of Communal Award
As a result of the Third Round Table Conference, in November 1932, the then Prime Minister of Britain Ramsay Macdonald gave his 'award', known as the Communal Award. It provided separate representation for the Forward Caste, Lower Caste, Mus ms, Buddhists, Sikhs, Indian Chr tians, Anglo-Indians, Europeansand Dalits. The Untouchables were assigned a number of seats to be filled by ion from special constituencies in which Untouchables could ve.
This was later modified into the present reservation sy em- which aims to bring proportional representation of castes in academic and educational spheres.
In summary: Caste sy em cant vanish from India, because its a social hierarchy and a unique identity. Its the birth-based discrimination and prejudice we have to target- not the identity.
I dont agree with some answers here which says reservation fuels the caste divide. Caste divisions were present long before the British came here and will be there in the future also.
And reservations - though a flawed sy em needs to be modified, is the best solution that our law-makers could come up with to improve the representation of castes.
Vishwajeet Joshi, bjp loyalist , India Observer .
To answer this question, an understanding of caste sy em and factors that affected it is necessary . Hence I will try to provide a brief according to my understanding. I would request readers to correct me if they feel any information presented is baseless or untrue.
The Indian Caste Sy em did not originate in its 18th or 19th Century rigid form. It is a sy em which metamorphosized itself into the Evil as we identify it .
When Caste sy em originated in Vedic period it was merely a classification of Profession with a goal of maintaining order in Society while pursuing self realization leading to a chance to attain Moksha for everyone.
Nobody was born a Shudra or Brahmin .It was a profession of choice. Equating Shudras to sl ves is incorrect as nobody chooses to be sl ve.The caste sy em derives from the Karma Siddhanta which professes that an individual can attain enlightenment by doing his duty with complete devotion.
Yagya was a elaborate ceremony performed many times in the Vedic age and was believed to be invocation of GOD. Performing Yaga was believed to be way of pleasing GODS and gaining favor or Virtue which lead to Peace , Prosperity and ultimately Moksha for the participating individuals. Members from each Varna contributed to this and the Virtue (or Fruit or Result of Yagya) obtained would then be distributed equally to all involved.
The 4 Varnas or castes differ in the percentage of involvement in the materialistic world and how they contributed to Yagya.
Bramhan would be a sect of people who would study scriptures and aim for enlightment by means of Knowledge or higher learning . They were expected to not aim for lavish lifestyle or wealth
Bramhins being extremely poor. Bramhans studied Vedas and performed Yagya by chanting vedic hyms that pleased the GODs.
Kshatriyas would be sect of people who would be more involved in the Worldly matters compared to Bramhan , they were allowed to collect Wealth and enjoy Royal life but with the caveat of being able to renounce everything in a moment when time beckons and be ready for WAR. Kshatriya provided for the Security and disciplined and safe environment in which Yagya could be performed.
Vaishyas would be a sect of people who would indulge in Trade and accumulate wealth .Their duty involved generating revenue and distributing the wealth to the needy and contributing to GDP. Vaishya helped to finance the Yagya ceremony .
Shudras were a sect of people who would be totally involved in materialistic world. They were supposed to perform all the day to day task of maintaining cleanliness , constructing houses, doing agriculture, other profession like Blacksmith, cobbler ,potter , Scavengers etc. They would contribute to Yagya by arranging all items for the ceremony including food and goods.
Hence Shudra were equals performing an important function in the society and hence were not be treated as Slaves.
However, like any sy em the Caste Sy em was not designed for drastic changes that would occur over a period of 2500 years. In due course of time due environmental factors ( like Epidemics, Contagious diseases at an era when vaccination was not available) untouchability became a part of Caste Sy em.
Since Shudra would be the sect of people who would be involved in Cleaning and hence more exposed to unclean environment , members of other Sect started to ill treat them. The entire concept of Virtue and Karma Siddhanta gave way to illogical traditions and customs and eventually blind belief.
Hindu society hence started to crumble and other re gions became more attractive .
My whole point is Shudra were important part of society and equals and not to be compared with Slaves. The Utopian concept of equality is not correct as we are all inequals in our mental , physical and financial capabilities.