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承包商:在马哈拉斯特拉,大坝价值的22%付了贿赂

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头一回,有位水利承包商透露如何支付贿赂来获取大坝合同。为拿到工作定单, 必须向低级职员直到政客,奉上工程价值一定百分比作为回扣。据他称,累计卡扣超过竞标价的22%。在这位驻设在普那的承包商要求下,本报不公开其身份。他最近给州政府和 总督写了一封强硬的信件,着重指出了这个被欺诈沾污部委的一贯做法。上周,州政府点头同意反腐局对前水利资源部长Ajit Pawar及其后任Sunil Tatkare,就他们在这项以千万卢比计算的水利欺诈中被指称的作用,开展公开调查。

译者:ken
来源:三泰虎论坛 http://www.santaihu.cn
外文:http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/In-Maha-22-of-dam-cost-paid-as-bribe-Contractor/articleshow/45579949.cms

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In Maha, 22% of dam cost paid as bribe: Contractor

承包商:在马哈拉斯特拉,大坝价值的22%付了贿赂

MUMBAI: For the first time, an irrigation contractor has revealed how bribes are paid to bag dam contracts. From the lowly clerk to the politician, a percentage of the project cost has to be offered as kickbacks in order to procure the work order. According to him, the total cut amounts to over 22% of the tender cost.

孟买: 头一回,有位水利承包商透露如何支付贿赂来获取大坝合同。为拿到工作定单, 必须向低级职员直到政客,奉上工程价值一定百分比作为回扣。据他称,累计卡扣超过竞标价的22%。

The Pune-based contractor, whose identity is being withheld by this newspaper on his request, wrote a strong letter to the state government and governor recently, highlighting the modus operandi in the scam-tainted department. Last week, the state government gave its nod to the Anti-Corruption Bureau to start an open inquiry against former water resources minister Ajit Pawar and his successor Sunil Tatkare for their alleged role in the multi-crore irrigation scam.

在这位驻设在普那的承包商要求下,本报不公开其身份。他最近给州政府和总督写了一封强硬的信件,着重指出了这个被欺诈沾污部委的一贯做法。上周,州政府点头同意反腐局对前水利资源部长Ajit Pawar及其后任Sunil Tatkare,就他们在这项以千万卢比计算的水利欺诈中被指称的作用,开展公开调查。

The letter by the contractor alleged that bribes are paid to the tender clerk, the accountant and staff of the respective divisions, the executive engineer, superintending engineer and his staff, chief engineer, executive engineer, executive director, secretary, chairman of the corporation and local MLA.

这位承包商信中指称,贿金付给了招标职员、会计和各分部工作人员、执行工程师、监督工程师及其工作人员、总工程师、执行工程师、执行董事、秘书、公司主席以及当地立法议员。

“All of them are entertained by the bidders, who give them cash fixed by the department unofficially,” said the letter. These amounts are paid just to procure the work order. But more money is demanded after the work is awarded. Officials who clear bills of contractors, too want their cut. “Approximate 10% of the billed amount in cash must be paid to the executive officers. Besides, there is what is called an adjustment amount, shared equally between contractors and officers,” it said. “This is a routine established procedure. No one feels they are doing anything odd,” said the contractor.

“他们全部被竞标者们款待过。竞标者们给他们现金,额度是这个部私下规定的,” 这信中说。支付这些钱只是为了拉来工作定单。但给了工作定单后,被索取的钱还要多。清付承包商帐单的职员也要自己的一块。“大约帐单金额的10%,必须付给执行官员。另外,还有所谓的调整款项,由承包商和官员平分,” 信中说道。“这是日常成规的做法。没谁觉得在干任何不正常的事情,” 这位承包商说。

The letter said any bidders who tried to challenge this procedure are “dealt strongly” by department officers. Either the contractor is forced to fall in line or leave the scene. “No bidder dares to challenge this system. Everyone wants to go with the flow and make sure they get a piece of the cake,” it said.

这信中说,哪个竞标者试着向这个做法挑战,都会被部里官员“狠狠收拾”。承包商要么归队要么退㘯。“没有承包商敢挑战这个制度。谁都想随大流以确保分一块蛋糕,” 信中说道。

The letter further said tender notices are not published in the “desired newspapers” (they are published in papers not widely read) as per the government resolution. “At the same time discrepancies are kept in these notices. No details are mentioned for payment of fees, addresses and contact numbers,” it said.

信中进一步说,招标通知不按照政府决议登在“要求的报纸”上(它们登在並非广为阅读的报纸上)。同时这些通知存在一些不归范之处。不提付费祥情、地址以及联系电话号码,” 信中说。

A senior department official told TOI: “Projects were awarded at hugely inflated costs. A work costing, say, Rs 100, was pegged at Rs 500 when tenders were floated. Secondly, the politically-connected contractors carried out sub-standard work as exposed by the Mendigiri committee report. Thirdly, these contractors did much less work, but charged double the amount from the department.”

部里一位资深官员告诉印度时报:“工程以大为虚夸的价格放出。一项工程价格,比如说,100卢比,而当向竞标者提出时,靠挂在500卢比。第二点是,正如Mendigiri(水利资源部总工程师)领导的调查委员会报告所揭露的那样,有政治关联的承包商施工不合标准。第三点,这些承包商做的工作很少,但向这部门双倍收费。”

He added, “Professional contractors were virtually driven out after ministers started influencing awarding of contracts. Politicians became partners of small-time contractors, who in turn entered politics.”

他追说道,“在部长们开始对签订合同施加影响后,专业水平的承包商实际上被撵走了。政客们成了三流承包商的合伙人,而这些承包商转而又步入政治。”

Over the past few months, the state government has tried to revamp the scam-tainted department by posting bureaucrats with a “clean track record”. In October, the department scrapped the pre-qualification tender process where the corruption used to start. The pre-qualification guidelines were so manipulated that only a chosen few contractors could make the grade to bid for the multi-crore contracts.

过去几个月,通过委任有着“历来廉洁记录”的官僚,州政府已经在偿试改组这个被欺诈沾污的部委。10月份,该部取消了投标资格预审程序,腐败惯常由此起动。资格预审指南被篡改成这样:只有少数被选中的承包商可以晋级、参加竞标价值千万卢比以上的各种合同。

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译者:ken
来源:三泰虎论坛 http://www.santaihu.cn/thread-9123-1-1.html

Jay K•24225• • shahid•Canada•

Voters are the losers. After all, it is the voters who keep electing unfit / corrupt candidates, without kicking the tires ..

选民们倒霉。总之,还是选民们不加选择,推上了不合适/腐败的候选人…

 

Sushil Gupta•57971• •india•

This is everywhere in all type of contracts this is nothing new .This is almost impossible to stop this .

在所有类型的合同中,都是这样,没啥新鲜。这个几乎不可能止得住。

 

Girish•1713• • Jay K•in my head•

Voting changes nothing. We don’t need democracy. Voting is a fake reality in which a common man is embroiled in it.

选举啥也改变不了。我们不需要皿煮。选举是个虚假的现实,普通人被卷在里面。

 

P Kumar•1428• • Jay K•

“Wonder how this low life character got elected?” by the ignoramus masses who vote along caste and religious lines. I have this recurring thought that democracy was a wrong choice for newly independent India as it imposed a model of governance which requires people making wise choices. however Indians had no time to wisen up after liberation to make choices that could liberate them from the divisiveness engendered by the firangs and the hangover of their own medieval socio-political structures. A benevolent dictatorship or communism was required and we could have equalled China by now.

“奇怪这品格低下的家伙是怎么” 被按种姓、宗教投票”的无知大众“选上来的?” 。这种想法在我脑中反复出现:对当时新独立的印度,皿煮是个错误的选择,因为它的治理模式需要人民做出明智的选择。然而解放后的印度没时间聪明起来,去做出可能把自己从白人引起的分裂状态、以及自己中世纪社会政治结构中解救出来的选择。那时需要个仁慈的独裁政体或gcd,那样到现在我们也许已经与中国拉平了。

 

Prof.K.B.Reddy Kypa•

What is new about it except that it came from the mouth of the man who paid it.
It is the simple truth known to everybody. By any rare chance if any officer is willing to do the job without expecting anything in return , no body is prepared to believe it.

除了是从一个自己付了贿金的人口中说出外,这有什么新奇。这是众人皆知的简单事实。极少可能的情况下,要是哪个当官的不求回报、自愿干事,都没人愿意相信。

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      • Girish•1713• • Jay K•in my head•Voting changes nothing. We don’t need democracy. Voting is a fake reality in which a common man is embroiled in it.选举啥也改变不了。我们不需要皿煮。选举是个虚假的现实,普通人被卷在里面。————————————————————–可是三哥们是不会造反的,他们的教义教会了低种姓三哥像牲口一样活着

      • Girish?1713? ? Jay K?in my head?Voting changes nothing. We don’t need democracy. Voting is a fake reality in which a common man is embroiled in it.选举啥也改变不了。我们不需要皿煮。选举是个虚假的现实,普通人被卷在里面。————————————————————–可是三哥们是不会造反的,他们的教义教会了低种姓三哥像牲口一样活着

  1. 《蒋公仁德录》

    民国三十八年,匪建都北平。左右请轰炸, 蒋公惜京畿古建,曰:不忍也,遂止。
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    忽复起,大呼三声:勿忘在莒!勿忘在莒!勿忘在莒!言讫,崩。

  2. 这种大型工程贪污贿赂很正常,平心而论在中国也不可避免。所以印度斯坦人民不必沮丧,你们拥有民主这种优势是先天的,要走自己的路一直走,不要往两边看。看,多么蓝的天、、、、、、 [酷]

  3. P Kumar•1428• • Jay K•

    “Wonder how this low life character got elected?” by the ignoramus masses who vote along caste and religious lines. I have this recurring thought that democracy was a wrong choice for newly independent India as it imposed a model of governance which requires people making wise choices. however Indians had no time to wisen up after liberation to make choices that could liberate them from the divisiveness engendered by the firangs and the hangover of their own medieval socio-political structures. A benevolent dictatorship or communism was required and we could have equalled China by now.

    “奇怪这品格低下的家伙是怎么” 被按种姓、宗教投票”的无知大众“选上来的?” 。这种想法在我脑中反复出现:对当时新独立的印度,皿煮是个错误的选择,因为它的治理模式需要人民做出明智的选择。然而解放后的印度没时间聪明起来,去做出可能把自己从白人引起的分裂状态、以及自己中世纪社会政治结构中解救出来的选择。那时需要个仁慈的***政体或gcd,那样到现在我们也许已经与中国拉平了。

    你这无耻的皿煮叛徒。。。居然敢祈望GCD来拯救印度。。。我代表那个一串英文198几的,和把自己ID和性病联系起来的。。。以及一切曾经存在过却被喷跑的皿煮精英鄙视你。。。 [鄙视] [右哼哼]

  4. Venkataraman Venugopal•1155• •Chennai, Tamil Nadu•

    All Govt departments employees indulge in this corrupt way Only when they correct themseklves, India can develop

    所有政府部门的职员都沉迷于这腐败之道,只有当他们自我改过,印度才能发展

    自我改过?。。。。 [挖鼻屎]

  5. Venkataraman Ramaprasad•843• •Tiruchirappalli, India•

    Will Modi act on this! He has 5yrs to do this. Please! Save India!

    穆迪会对此采取行动吗!他有5年来干这事。求您啦!救救印度!

    穆迪跪在湿婆神像前:湿婆神啊会对此采取行动吗!您有5年来干这事。求您啦!救救印度!!!!。。。 [可怜]

  6. P Kumar?1428? ? Jay K?

    “Wonder how this low life character got elected?” by the ignoramus masses who vote along caste and religious lines. I have this recurring thought that democracy was a wrong choice for newly independent India as it imposed a model of governance which requires people making wise choices. however Indians had no time to wisen up after liberation to make choices that could liberate them from the divisiveness engendered by the firangs and the hangover of their own medieval socio-political structures. A benevolent dictatorship or communism was required and we could have equalled China by now.

    “奇怪这品格低下的家伙是怎么” 被按种姓、宗教投票”的无知大众“选上来的?” 。这种想法在我脑中反复出现:对当时新独立的印度,皿煮是个错误的选择,因为它的治理模式需要人民做出明智的选择。然而解放后的印度没时间聪明起来,去做出可能把自己从白人引起的分裂状态、以及自己中世纪社会政治结构中解救出来的选择。那时需要个仁慈的***政体或gcd,那样到现在我们也许已经与中国拉平了。

    你这无耻的皿煮叛徒。。。居然敢祈望GCD来拯救印度。。。我代表那个一串英文198几的,和把自己ID和性病联系起来的。。。以及一切曾经存在过却被喷跑的皿煮精英鄙视你。。。 [鄙视] [右哼哼]

  7. Venkataraman Venugopal?1155? ?Chennai, Tamil Nadu?

    All Govt departments employees indulge in this corrupt way Only when they correct themseklves, India can develop

    所有政府部门的职员都沉迷于这腐败之道,只有当他们自我改过,印度才能发展

    自我改过?。。。。 [挖鼻屎]

  8. Venkataraman Ramaprasad?843? ?Tiruchirappalli, India?

    Will Modi act on this! He has 5yrs to do this. Please! Save India!

    穆迪会对此采取行动吗!他有5年来干这事。求您啦!救救印度!

    穆迪跪在湿婆神像前:湿婆神啊会对此采取行动吗!您有5年来干这事。求您啦!救救印度!!!!。。。 [可怜]

  9. “奇怪这品格低下的家伙是怎么” 被按种姓、宗教投票”的无知大众“选上来的?” 。这种想法在我脑中反复出现:对当时新独立的印度,皿煮是个错误的选择,因为它的治理模式需要人民做出明智的选择。然而解放后的印度没时间聪明起来,去做出可能把自己从白人引起的分裂状态、以及自己中世纪社会政治结构中解救出来的选择。那时需要个仁慈的***政体或gcd,那样到现在我们也许已经与中国拉平了。其实全世界人民都是实事求是的,人类永远是物质大于精神的,在西方媒体的拼命抹黑下,TG还是以实绩获得了国内外很多民众的好感

  10. 我早说过:选举过程的皿煮不代表决策过程也皿煮,我还说过:皿煮放在发达国家或许是有义的,而放在印度那就是有害的。因为印度还很落后,没有打下良好的基础,包括物质生产基础、财富积累基础、生产方式和制度基础以及上层建筑基础,一群没有什么经验积累的草民搞皿煮,只能影响发展进程,拖累和空耗社会的成本,腐败政客及其官僚们也就顺理成章的享受着皿煮带来的红利,国大党是这样,人民党也将会这样,不会例外滴。

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