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中国会对美国进行先发制人的攻击吗?《军事图片网》论坛里的这篇宣扬中国威胁论的帖子引起了外国网友热议,因此类文章宣扬内容大同小异故被译者忽略,只将外国网友的评论摘录下来以供大家参考。有网友称,“一方面,中国处在经济增长和繁荣的阶段。我认为,他们会希望花时间在解决自己经济问题和保持增长上面。和美国开战就彻底搞砸了,那么他们去思考是不是该这么干时,会得到难以置信的绝望。”

译者:ngageboy
译文来源:三泰虎论坛 http://bbs.santaihu.com
原帖地址:http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?231197-Would-China-Strike-the-US-Preemptively

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Would China Strike the US Preemptively?

中国会对美国进行先发制人的攻击吗?

《军事图片网》论坛里的这篇宣扬中国威胁论的帖子引起了外国网友热议,因此类文章宣扬内容大同小异故被译者忽略,只将外国网友的评论摘录下来以供大家参考。

以下为网友留言:

译者:ngageboy
译文来源:三泰虎论坛 http://bbs.santaihu.com/thread-7555-1-1.html

Braveheartnju:
I understand why this article fits the taste of Japanese and published by a Japanese magazine because its typical Japanese style of thinking.

我明白了为什么这篇文章适合日本人的胃口了,因为是由日本杂志出版的,具有典型的日本式思维。

Seiyuuki回复Braveheartnju

威士忌探戈狐步舞!你是怎么理解所涉及的这一切的?

(译者:此人从网名判断估计是个日本人,是说几个事物无直接联系但又放在一起,个人理解指对方怎么会联系到日本人的)

Comet回复Seiyuuki
x2. I kept on searching for the Japan angle but no luck. ah well, chinese inferiority complex at its best.

+10086。我也一直在寻找(是否从)日本的角度,但是运气不好(没找到)。哈,很好!中国人的自卑感在作祟。

TG211:
That’d be stupid. And the Chinese are not stupid. Cunning and ambiguous, yes.

傻逼文章。中国人不是傻子。(他们)既狡猾又暧昧,没错!

T-5 Killer
It would be a very stupid move I dont see it happening.

这将是一个非常愚蠢的举动,我不希望它发生。

JasonC
I knew all along the Chicoms will never catch/threaten the U.S. conventionally (planes, ships, missiles, and bombs). So, they will rely on cyber and satellite warfare. Preemptive? I wouldn’t rule it out for this very reason.

我知道中共一直以来从来没有赶上或威胁过美国(飞机、舰艇、导弹和炸弹)。因此,他们将依赖网络战和反卫星战。先发制人?也不能排除这个可能性。

Eagle9294
The U.S. and China are economically almost the same nation. This is ridiculous.

美国和中国在经济上几乎就是一个国家一样。这(论调)很荒谬。

Hildemel回复Eagle9294

Sounds like the Alliance in the Firefly series.

听起来像盟军中的萤火虫系列

(译者:此萤火虫应该指二战中的谢尔曼坦克,二战中美国生产最多的坦克,提供给过英国、法国,甚至当时的苏联。评论貌似指你中有我,我中有你之意)

Winged Doom
Of course they would, you don’t take warrior genes lightly!

当然(中国人)他们会这么做的,你们不能对有武士基因的(他们)掉以轻心!

Flagg
Silly……
US comparative global force projection capability is at it’s apex/zenith.
US debt to China is astronomical

China strike on the US would be the best thing ever for the US long-term
It could send China back to the 3rd world and remain as the sole financial and military superpower for the next 50 years.

China would be truly insane to start a conflict with the US.

But China creating a foreign/external distraction in it’s sphere of influence/control that it would have a 99.99% chance of successfully dominating is another story….something along the lines of a Chinese Grenada 1983.

傻傻的

美国拥有全球顶尖的力量投送能力。

美国对中国的负债是天文数字。

中国对美国的打击,将是美国长期以来发生的最好事情了。我们就可以把中国打回第三世界,并保持未来50年全球唯一的金融和军事超级大国了。

(目前的)中国将开始真正疯狂地与美国的冲突了。

但是,中国会有99.99%的机会成功主导另外一个事件——制造外国/外部矛盾,分散对他势力范围的影响/控制,事情就会像中国式的1983年格林纳达事件(注1)。

Prof68回复Flagg:
China is ten times less risk-averting now. So, even 99.9% chance is good enough.

中国现在(肯定)会以十倍的机会去规避(与美国冲突的)风险。因此99.9%的机会还不够。

RoamingEast
short answer? No. Long answer?.Nooooooooooo

简单的回答是:不可能。详细的回答是:不不不不不不不不不可能

T-5 Killer回答RoamingEast
BUT BUT DF-21 super missile? LOL

但是DF-21超级导弹呢?大笑

Impartial Bias
Not if they ever want to get their money back and their power marginalized back to a pre 1935 state they won’t.

如果他们不曾想过来要回他们的钱,他们的权利会被边缘化到1935年的(贫穷)状态,所以他们不会(不要那些钱的)。

MRAPer

A few so-called “sinologists” simply cannot get the simple fact over their head: China does not need to confront anyone anywhere in the world. Peaceful economic development will make their economy to reach the level of the America’s in a decade, and then overtakes that of the America’s from that time on. They are anxious of this mathematical certainty. So they write articles with the twisted logic that China will strike the U.S. first because they are weaker. Japan tried once in WWII. It ended up being nuked. China will do no such things. The articles simply reflect their own wishful thinking that the U.S. may still get an excuse to beat up China while they still can. Keep dreaming, because even the Taiwan problem will probably be solved peacefully, and the U.S. has little hope of beating China in its own turf even today.

一些所谓的“汉学家”幼稚连这么简单的事实都不理解:中国不需要对抗世界上任何地区任何人。和平的经济发展使他们的经济即将在十年内达到美国的水平,然后赶超美国。他们只关注于数值的确定性(而不懂政治和国际关系),所以,他们写了“中国因为较弱所以将先发攻击美国”这样的文章。日本在二战就试过了,结果被爆了菊。中国才不会做这种事。文章仅反映了这些“汉学家”自己的如意算盘——美国仍可能找一个借口去打败中国。继续做梦吧,因为台湾问题可能会和平解决,美国即使当下在自己的地盘里击败中国的希望也很渺茫。

Sootan回复MRAPer
You and the “nuked Japan” obsession again.
OTOH, there was a time when this forum would consider “The Diplomat” as an unreliable source. Too much baseless speculation and outright conspiratorial. Even had one dedicated bot to promote that site here.

你和痴迷“核平日本”的论调又来了。

另一方面,本论坛将“外交官”作为一个不肯靠的信息来源。他们有过多的毫无根据的猜测和彻头彻尾的阴谋。

IconOfEvi
The will is there, the means are not.
And as pointed out, it would be insane to do so now. Later, in the future? Not so much.
He’s one of our beloved Chicom bots, you should know this by now

想,不代表会做

正如文章所说,现在这么做将是多么疯狂啊,最后,未来怎么办?没剩什么了

Budgie
I think China would, but they’d have to feel they were under imminent threat of attack themselves. I doubt they’d lash out Barbarossa style for any reason – at least not under the current leadership. For all its faults, the CCP is a rational beast.

我认为中国会,但他们会在迫在眉睫的威胁之下不得不去攻击。我怀疑他们会以任何理由去抨击巴巴罗萨主意。至少不是在现领导人领导之下。综合所有缺点得出,CCP是一个理性的怪兽。

Kilgor回复Budgie
“For all its faults, the CCP is a rational beast.”
Given the current state of some Western governments, more so
Besides, when your enjoying the best Maotais and xiao lao po’s, why rock the boat.

鉴于目前一些西方政府来说,有过之而不及啊

此外,当你能享受最棒的茅台和小老婆们(中文拼音)时,还去捣腾啥?

Mangotree回复Kilgor
True. Why rock the boat? Whatever Global Times or People’s Daily for that matter wrote about the US, there’s maybe only 0.0000001% chance that China would send some military grade explosives to the US.
Kilgor, nowadays, we use the word “er nai” not “xiao lao po”.

的确,还捣啥乱啊?无论是环球时报还是人民日报都在为此事写美国,也许中国去打美国只有0.0000001%的几率吧。

Kilgor,现在,我们用“二奶”而不是“小老婆”了(中文拼音)

Rssmps回复Mangotree
“Kilgor, nowadays, we use the word “er nai” not “xiao lao po”.”
They’ve rolled from er to san now. Xiao san is the latest.
Also in context, this would not apply as the woman would have more money than american guy so bring the drinks to sugarmama quickly.

现在他们已经从二升到三(中文拼音)了。“小三”是最新的称法。

相同情况在美国就不适用了,因为美国女人比男人更有钱。所以快点带饮料过来给糖妈妈。

(译者:糖妈妈指高血糖孕妇)

WarToad
“er nai” – “xiao lao po” – “Xiao san” – I had to google these to figure out what was going on here. “Mistress” seems to be the more common translation.

“二奶”、“小老婆”、“小三”(中文拼音)——我股沟了一下才弄明白到底是怎么一回事。“情妇”一词似乎才是比较常用的翻译吧。

Kilgor回复WarToad
The head of the railways had (alleged) 18 mistresses.
The ruling class is like anywhere else, they aren’t going to start a major war unless they are desperate. Slowing growth is enemy no .1

Its good to be the king.

当局向其他地方一样,除非他们感到了绝望,不然不会打算开始一场大规模战争。增长缓慢才是头号敌人。

做大(dai)王的感觉很棒啊!

Chairborne Ranger
Unless they come in from the north, and maintain complete radio and forum-posting silence.

除非他们从北部过来,并保持完整的无线电、论坛发帖静默

Ought Six
On one hand, China is on a path of growth and prosperity. I think they want to spend time on addressing their economic issues and keeping that going. A war with America would completely screw that up, so they would have to be incredibly desperate to think that was the best thing to do.

That being said, there are certainly scenarios that could lead to a military confrontation with U.S. forces. The ChiCom leadership has spent much effort to stoke nationalism and anti-American feeling among its people. That is a force that could easily turn on them. If some unfortunate incident sufficiently outraged the Chinese people, the Chinese government could be forced to launch a military strike just to keep the peoples’ anger from turning on them. And China’s incessant bullying of its neighbors in an effort to steal all the natural resources in the South China Sea from them is another flashpoint that could easily lead to a direct confrontation between American and Chinese naval forces. I would expect a very limited strike in response from China in such circumstances, but these things have a way of getting out of control.

一方面,中国处在经济增长和繁荣的阶段。我认为,他们会希望花时间在解决自己经济问题和保持增长上面。和美国开战就彻底搞砸了,那么他们去思考是不是该这么干时,会得到难以置信的绝望。

话虽这么说,当然,还是有可能出现导致军事对抗美军的情况。中 共 领导已经花了很大精力在民众中激发民族主义和反美情绪。这是一种很容易挑动的力量。如果一些不幸的事件激怒了中国人民,中国政府可能会被迫发动军事打击,只是为了让民众的怒火从他们身上转移开。而中国不断欺负它的邻居并从南中国海那里窃取自然资源,这是一个很容易导致美国和中国海军之间形成直接对抗的另一个爆发点。我希望有一个非常有限的打击来回应中国的上述行为,但这么做也可能会造成一种结果——失控。

Plato回复Ought Six

“anti-American feeling among its people”

And this is today’s news:

“Ford China sales up 51% in first three quarters; Year-to-date sales exceed 600,000 units”

pretty anti-American if you ask me.

民众的反美情绪高涨

这是今天的新闻:

福特中国前三季度增长51%,年销售预计超过60万辆

你如果问我的话,我会说:好漂亮的反美啊

注1:格林纳达事件:

信息来源: http://www.nongli.com/today/todayxx-8247.htm

1983年10月20日深夜,太平洋上悄悄地行进着一支庞大的舰队,舰队上的美国官兵,正按照五角大楼的命令,发出各种信号,要求这支延绵数海里的舰队,保持队形全速前进。这支舰队太壮观了。由“独立”号航空母舰居中,“关岛”号两栖作战舰为先导,其余8艘舰只紧随居后,1900名海军人员组成。美国特混舰队,现在的方向还是黎巴嫩。

突然,五角大楼来了一道急电令,要他们朝加勒比海地区的格林纳达驶去。军令如山倒。尽管大多数官兵并不了解去格林纳达和他们的利益有何相关。

庞大的舰队终于被格林纳达军方发现了。10月21日,军方宣布,国家面临外来袭击危险。但为时已晚。

10月25日当地时间凌晨5时40分,美国靠着强大的海上力量作后盾,和加勒比其它国家的军队在格林纳达正式登陆。入侵部队占领了首都圣乔治的机场,美国伞兵部队登陆后,同格林纳达军队发生战斗。

美国总统里根同一天宣布,美国是“应东加勒比国家的一致要求”而出兵的,目的在于帮助“恢复民主制度”。

格林纳这位于列斯群岛南端,总面积344平方公里,人口11. 1万。格林纳达原是英国殖民地,1974年2月7日宣告独立,成为英联邦成员国。1979年成立了以毕晓普为首的新政府。毕曾宣布他的政党“新宝石运动”是社会主义倾向。1983年10月12日,格林达发生政变,总理毕晓普被软禁。19日,支持毕晓普的一派在首都组织了千人的示威,同军队发生冲突,毕晓普和3名内阁部长被军方打死。军方于10月20日成立的新军事委员会,接管政权。10月25日,美国突然以“保护”侨民为借口入侵格林纳达。到26日美军已占领格林纳达大部领土。

美国五角大楼人士说,这次行动是自从越南战争以来美国最大的一次军事行动,也是美军1965年入侵多米尼加共和国以来第一次干涉行动。

在这次入侵过程中,美国军方人士说,至少有3名美国军人、3名格林纳达军人、12名古巴派驻在格林纳达工作的人在战斗中被打死,23名美国军人和22名古巴人受伤,32名苏联在格林纳达的军事顾问和200多名武装的古巴人员被俘。

到10月30日,美国军队在格林纳达岛及其附近海域的总人数已达1.5万人。29日美国宣布俘获了格林纳达前总理伯纳德·科尔德。

11月16日美国宣布不迟于12月23日撤回它在格林纳达的战斗部队。

在这之前11月15日,格林纳达由英国女玉伊丽莎白二世在格林纳达的代表——保罗·斯库恩总督任命的顾问委员会的9人临时政府宣誓就职。顾问委员会主席阿利斯特·麦金文尔是在格林纳达出生的经济学家。

美国军队入侵格林纳达后,在联合国引起极大的震动。联合国秘书长德奎利亚尔立即发表声明对这一事件表示严重关切。安理会10月25日下午,应尼加拉瓜的要求举行紧急会议,对美国入侵格林纳达事件进行辩论。10月25日安理会对圭亚那、尼加拉瓜和津巴布韦联合提出的关于格林纳达局势的决议案进行表决。中国、法国、苏联等11国投了赞成票,美国反对,扎伊尔、多哥和英国弃权。决议案因遭美国否决而未能获得通过。

在这次战斗中16名美国人死亡,77名受伤,3人不知下落,大约630名被里根称为“古巴暴徒”的人被俘在对格林纳达采取的军事行动中,一架美军奇努克直升机被击落在格林纳达海滩。



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