从这里了解印度人对中国的看法

Navneet:哇!哇!上海(II)

2013-08-08 16:47 44个评论 字号:

Navneet:上海人说上海是中国的样板城市,是吗?如果真是的话,那么我要说:哦,好一个样板城市,哇,哇…..要是我们有能力打造这么一个能够向世界展示的样板城市,那多好啊!我强烈否认(上海是中国样板城市)这一说法,因为它给了我们一些容纳耻辱的空间。我去过许多其他中国城市,还去了一些农村,这些地方给我的印象是,如果中国以前正如我所听说那样拥挤、肮脏、穷到骇人听闻和缺少人权,那么中国的确已经是一个改头换面的国家。

译文来源:三泰虎博客 http://www.santaihu.com
外文标题:Wah! Wah! Shanghai- Part II
外文地址:http://travel.sulekha.com/wah-wah-shanghai-part-ii_travelogue_4389

In fact I should change the name of this post series and make it Wah! Wah! China

Shanghai people say is a showcase city of China, Is it ? If indeed it is then Oh What a showcase it is, Wah Wah… if we could have one such to show to the world what we are capable of. I strongly deny such a statement for it gives us some place to park our shame. I have been to many other cities of China and in some villages also and my impression is that China indeed is a transformed country, if as I had heard before it was an overcrowded, dirty place, with appaling poverty and lack of human rights.

事实上,我应该把本文的标题改为《哇!哇!中国》。

上海人说上海是中国的样板城市,是吗?如果真是的话,那么我要说:哦,好一个样板城市,哇,哇…..要是我们有能力打造这么一个能够向世界展示的样板城市,那多好啊!

我强烈否认(上海是中国样板城市)这一说法,因为它给了我们一些容纳耻辱的空间。我去过许多其他中国城市,还去了一些农村,这些地方给我的印象是,如果中国以前正如我所听说那样拥挤、肮脏、穷到骇人听闻和缺少人权,那么中国的确已经是一个改头换面的国家。

People are generally happy and contended. They are proud of their country and do their bit of contribution diligently. They are clean, affable, civil and helpful. Even those who are riding to their works on bicycles are neatly dressed up. Public transport system is efficient. The buses, the trains are immaculate, the stations spic and span. Public toilets don’t have too be searched for and unlike greedy European systems, no coins have to be dropped in for using the loo. The toilets are very clean and unlike India there’s always water in the taps and the WCs. The taps are not dripping or broken and all toilets have automatic hot air blower/dryer in working condition, for drying up wet hands, have soap dispensers with soap in them, have papers dispensers with paper rolls or napkins. The attendants are always around and seen cleaning and mopping. The lights and fans are all working. In fact about light and water I would like to say that in my last fifteen months in China, whether here in Shanghai, in the town, Dhinghai, Nanjing, Islands Changxing or Xiushan or a tiny village Ratio, I have never seen power disruption or water cuts even in the name of maintenace.

人们普遍快乐和满意,他们为国家感到自豪,辛勤地做出自己的一份贡献;他们穿着干净、友善、有礼貌和乐于助人。即使骑着自行车去上班的人也衣着整洁。公共交通系统非常高效,公交车和地铁无可挑剔,站台干干净净。

公厕很容易找到,与贪婪的欧洲公厕不一样,这里使用公厕不用投币。公厕非常干净,反观印度公厕的水龙头总是在滴水,而这里的水龙头既不会滴水,也不会破损,所有厕所都有可用于烘干手的自动热风机,装有皂液的皂液机,以及放有纸巾的纸巾盒。你总是能看到工作人员在擦洗和打扫。灯和风扇总是处于工作中。事实上,我要说的是,就我过去15个月在中国呆的经历来看,不管是在上海、南京,还是在乡镇、长兴岛、秀山或者小村庄,我从未遇到停电断水的情况,即便以维修的名义也未出现过。

Here in Shanghai, it’s the month of May now and I haven’t seen a fly or a mosquito. I haven’t seen a cockroach ever since I have come to China. All hedges, fences along the roads are pruned, trimmed, washed with water spray and are sprayed with chemicals that not only preserve them but also leave some gloss of freshness on them. Traffic cops are hardly ever seen at the cross-roads which at places are as big as football grounds and even at midnight even if there’s just one car, you would see it waiting for the signal to change.

现在是5月,我在上海看不到一只苍蝇或蚊子。自从来到中国以后,我从未见过一只蟑螂。道路边上的树篱和栅栏修剪整齐,还有人洒水喷药,不仅保护了绿化,且给其披上了一层光泽新鲜。

你在十字路口几乎看不到交警,有的十字路口甚至堪比足球场大,即便是晚上只有一辆汽车,你也会看到它在等着通行的信号灯。

There are survillance cameras everywhere. It’s not that the people don’t violate traffic rules, they do and it appears that it is allowed but it’s kind of watch and drive understanding. No horn honking, no skirmishes, swearings or raising of middle finger. I haven’t seen an accident in the last fifteen months. Some months ago death sentence was handed over to a taxi driver for drunkan driving that resulted in death of four persons. The justice system is so efficient that in serious crimes the hearing or deliverance of justice can be as fast as with in a month.

到处是监控摄像头,并非人们不违反交规,他们其实也违反,且看来是被允许的。没人乱鸣喇叭,没人起冲突、咒骂或者竖中指。在过去15个月里,我从未见过一起事故。几个月前,一名出租车司机酒驾撞死4人,结果被判死刑。中国的司法体制非常高效,严重犯罪的听证和审判最快可以在一个月内完成。

The corrupt officials are routinely tried and punished severely. It’s not that there is no grievance or frustration, in fact it’s a lot and the anger is being directed against helpless children as recently there have been many attacks on the school children by the disgruntled people ( I will post a separate article on this) but without commenting on such incidents I would like to say that some of the culprits have already been executed after being held guilty and now the government has announced that it’s allowing shoot at sight against such incidents. Obviously we who have seen democracy at it’s best or worst can’t understand this because in our country even those who have single handedly killed hundreds of innocent people, waging a war against the nation are being defended.

But Well this series is for showing you the best of Shanghai- so let’s leave all the talking for some other post…So here enjoy the pictures.

通常来说,腐败官员会受严惩。实际上,这里并非不存在不满或失望,其实有很多,只不过这种愤怒被转移到了无助孩子身上。最近就发生了许多起不满者针对小学生的袭击事件(我会单独就此写一篇文章),其中一些罪犯被判有罪后已经被处决,政府宣布碰到此类事件时允许(警察)当场开枪。

显然,对于目睹过民主最好和最坏情况的我们对此难以理解,因为在我们国家,即使是一手杀死数百名无辜者的凶手或对其他国家发动战争的战犯也会得到辩护。

本文旨在向你们展示上海最好的方面,还是写其他博文时再来长篇大论吧,以下欣赏图片:

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我居住的小区

以下是印度网民的评论:

译文来源:三泰虎博客 http://www.santaihu.com

binagupta

nkb: kab ki ticket lein?? haha incredible shanghai indeed;)

哈哈,令人难以置信的上海 😉

jaijui

navneet ,
i was so thrilled to hear the nice things about shanghai and other places
but what about corruption ? during the earthquake when schools collapsed due to bad construction parents of dead children wanted justice… they were crushed
fulangong ..off shoot of buddhists why are they being persecuted ?
what about our Arunachal being usurped by them
what about hackers stealing technology ..?
sorry re u may not have answers
i was just saying
jai

看到上海这么漂亮真是激动,那当地的腐败呢?地震时,豆腐渣的学校大楼倒塌,失去孩子的父母要求得到正义…..

佛教徒为什么受迫害?

还有他们在侵占我们的阿邦

黑客窃取技术

抱歉,也许你答不来

我只是说说而已

navneetkumarbakshi

Hi Jai,

Nice to hear from you about politics. If we look it so, then how do you rank America and the Britain as far meddling in the world affairs and playing diabolic game of death and mayhem, enslaving human beings and looting nations is concerned and India for corruption and moral rot? Do you remember the name of the IAS officer who made millions out of flood relief for Bihar victims and he even earned international praise for his effort before being exposed.

Yesterday one high ranking officer was given death sentence here for corruption and bribes and two days ago one business tycoon was sentenced to fourteen years jail term for similar wrong doings. As far as exercising right over the land is concerned, what do you say about Kashmir, Punjab (Khalistan), Gorkhaland, Nagaland, Jai Maharashtra, Maoists, Kurds, Chechenya, Basque in Spain and almost every nation has them. Do you know how Taiwan was created and who were responsible. Who were responsible for the division of India and why America supports Pakistan? What was the cause of Vietnam war? How Taliban came in to existence? Who were mujhahedeens and which country supported their cause? I am not sure whom Tibet belonged to but a lot of good I hear has been done to the land after it’s accession.

很高兴看到你对政治的评论。如果我们这么看,那么你又如何看美英对世界事务的干涉,如何看美英玩弄死亡游戏,奴役别国人民,掠夺其他国家。你还记得吗,印度一位官员从对比哈尔邦灾民的粮食救济中赚了几百万,在被曝光前他还赢得了国际赞誉。

昨天,中国一位高官因腐败受贿而被判死刑;两天前,一位商业大亨因类似罪行而被判14年。

你知道台湾问题是如何产生的吗,谁的责任?谁对印巴分治负有责任?为什么美国支持巴基斯坦?越南战争爆发的原因是什么?塔利班是如何出现的?

我不确定西藏属于谁的,但我听说并入中国后,西藏得到了很多实惠。

Dr Madhvi

Shanghai is beutiful in your pics.
China has used Iron hand to achieve what it is. They needed too perhaps since their population was highest in the world…..i don’t know now.
India is a not a democracy, its more of a chaos now.
Nice blog.

Madhvi

你图片上展示的上海很漂亮。

中国用铁腕手段取得了当前成就。他们拥有世界上最多的人口,也许这种手段正是其所需…..

印度不是一个民主国家,更像是乱糟糟的国家

navneetkumarbakshi

Thanks Madhavi,

They still use iron hand and I feel to some extent it is required. Take the case of Singapore. Laws there too are very strict. If you give a long rope to the people chaos is what results in. In India democracy means impunity.

他们仍然采用铁腕手段,我觉得某种程度上是需要的。就拿新加坡来说,当地的法律就非常严格。

在印度,民主意味着不受惩罚。

azad582002

nice pics
lot of diffrence now and then 1976
been in twice 1975 n 1976

不错

现在和1976年有很大差别

去过两次,分别是1975年和1976年

avneetkumarbakshi

Yes Azad the real changes have come in the last decade.

是的,真正的改变出现在过去十年

V-S-Gopal

Hi NKB,
I liked this blog very much.
I have been to China in 1980 and 1995, and that is all. But I have every reason to believe your word that India has been ashamed by its all-round development. We are still plodding here with corrupt and inefficient governance. Luckily the private sector has been India’s saviour from ignominy.

I have a few questions. Is the one-child norm still mandatory? Are people hygienic with at least one bath a day? I don’t get to see motor-bikes,scooters and three-wheel autorickshaws in any photos. Are they absent in China including in small towns?

You have not said anything here about Expo.
Cheers!
vs gopal

嗨,Navneet,我在1980年和1995年去过中国。我完全有理由相信你说的话,印度被中国全面发展所羞辱。我们仍然在缓慢发展,备受腐败和低效困扰。幸运地是,私营领域挽回了印度的体面。

我有几个问题。独生子女政策仍然是强制性的吗?人们讲卫生吗,是否至少一天洗一次澡?我在你发的照片上看不到摩托车、踏板车和三轮嘟嘟车。是否在包括小乡镇的地方都看不到这些?

你在文中也未提及上海世博会。

navneetkumarbakshi

Dear Gopal ji
It’s a pleasure to find you visiting here. I miss so many of your and others audio blogs because here in China I can’t get Youtube can’t see the “play strip” included in the blog posts.
In my next blog on Shanghai/China I will put the pictures of other cities and towns.

You came here fifteen years ago but at the pace they are progressing it seems half a century. I have seen a town complete in every respect come up in one year. I have seen stretches of roads carpeted and trees planted on both sides and carpet of grass laid on side walks overnight. The trees are not planted as saplings but young adults and grass is grown in carpets in nurseries and rolled out literally like carpets. I have yet to post the pictures of their multi-level bridges and elevated highways. They have laid underwater tube across hangpu river to join shanghai to other islands and that tube already has four lanes road but two way metro running through it alongside hasn’t been started.

One child policy seems to have been relaxed a bit after male-female ratio having gone a bit off chart. Now the permission is financial status based. If you can afford, you can have. Also if farming is your profession then you can have a second child if the first one is a female.

Plenty of people ride scooters, bikes and mobikes but with public transport system being so efficient long distance commuters prefer to use that.

Auto rickshaws are allowed on some stretches only I believe, as I have seen only some waiting outside a few metro stations. In small towns cycle rickshaws are common too.

People are far more cleaner and hygiene conscious than they are in India. They dress up cleanly and one time bath is common. I have seen them bathing in the villages where water has to be drawn from the well and even there solar water heaters are there atop almost every house while here in shanghai piped gas supply is there in every apartment and on line gas heater are so efficient that running hot water is available anytime in any tap in the apartment.

I have just made one visit to the expo so far and that was rather disastrous. I chose saturday, went late in the evening and thought of starting from the well.. Indian Pavilion- it was pathetic, Indian Tourism and other government funded stalls hadn’t even been set up and

I Went on 22nd May i.e. a good 22 days after official opening of the exhibition. Then I thought since it was late I decided to visit the adjoining Saudi Arabian Pavilion. That was another wrong decision, the queue was so long that it took me three and a half hour to reach the pavilion and frankly I didn’t find it very impressive and shots of the grandeur of the Royals were a kind of put off to an ordinary human being like me.

Though I have enough pictures to make a blog post but that would be belittling the extravganza at display here and last Saturday it was raining. May be I will go again next week or delay as my wife and son are coming a week after, but surely I will post a lot about expo too.

Best Regards,
Navneet Bakshi

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看到你访问这里很高兴。

我在下篇博文会发一些其他城市和乡镇的图片。

你15年前来中国,但是以他们的发展速度,看起来像是半个世纪。我曾亲眼目睹一个完整的乡镇在一年内建完,路边的绿化一夜之间完成。树木不是从树苗种起,而是直接种上小树,一块块的草皮像地毯一样铺开。

我还未发多层大桥和高架路的图片。他们打通了一条穿过黄浦江的隧道,把其他岛屿与上海连接起来,这一隧道有四车道,但穿过这一隧道的双向地铁尚未开通。

由于性别比例失调,独生子女政策有些放松。要看经济能力,如果你承担得起,那就可以要孩子。此外,如果你是农民且第一个孩子是女孩,那么你可以要第二个孩子。

许多人骑踏板车、自行车和摩托车,由于公共交通系统非常高效,长距离通勤的人会更喜欢公共交通。

三轮嘟嘟车应该只能在部分地段可以使用,我在一些地铁站外看到过一些,在小乡镇也是挺常见的。

与印度人比起来,中国人穿着要干净得多,卫生意识更强,每天洗一次澡是普遍的。我曾经在农村看到有人从井里打水洗澡,每座房子上面都安装有太阳能热水器,上海的每套公寓都有管道天然气供应,燃气热水器非常高效,你随时能用上热水。

迄今为止,我只去过一次世博会,情况很糟糕。去的那天是星期六,原本想从印度馆开始看起的,结果悲剧了,印度的摊子还未摆起来。

5月22日,也就是世博会开始后的第22天,我又去了。原以为太迟了,我去了邻近的沙特馆。结果又是一个错误决定,队伍排得很长,我等了三个半小时才进入馆中。坦白说,并没啥令人印象深刻的东西可看。

虽然有很多图片作为素材,足以写成一篇博文,但发到本文来会喧宾夺主。

也许我下周或晚些时候还会再去,我的妻子和儿子一周后会过来。



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