从这里了解印度人对中国的看法

Navneet:哇!哇!上海(II)

2013-08-08 16:47 44个评论 字号:

Navneet:上海人说上海是中国的样板城市,是吗?如果真是的话,那么我要说:哦,好一个样板城市,哇,哇…..要是我们有能力打造这么一个能够向世界展示的样板城市,那多好啊!我强烈否认(上海是中国样板城市)这一说法,因为它给了我们一些容纳耻辱的空间。我去过许多其他中国城市,还去了一些农村,这些地方给我的印象是,如果中国以前正如我所听说那样拥挤、肮脏、穷到骇人听闻和缺少认全,那么中国的确已经是一个改头换面的国家。

译文来源:三泰虎博客 http://www.santaihu.com
外文标题:Wah! Wah! Shanghai- Part II
外文地址:http://travel.sulekha.com/wah-wah-shanghai-part-ii_travelogue_4389

In fact I should change the name of this post series and make it Wah! Wah! China

Shanghai people say is a showcase city of China, Is it ? If indeed it is then Oh What a showcase it is, Wah Wah… if we could have one such to show to the world what we are capable of. I strongly deny such a statement for it gives us some place to park our shame. I have been to many other cities of China and in some villages also and my impression is that China indeed is a transformed country, if as I had heard before it was an overcrowded, dirty place, with appaling poverty and lack of human rights.

事实上,我应该把本文的标题改为《哇!哇!中国》。

上海人说上海是中国的样板城市,是吗?如果真是的话,那么我要说:哦,好一个样板城市,哇,哇…..要是我们有能力打造这么一个能够向世界展示的样板城市,那多好啊!

我强烈否认(上海是中国样板城市)这一说法,因为它给了我们一些容纳耻辱的空间。我去过许多其他中国城市,还去了一些农村,这些地方给我的印象是,如果中国以前正如我所听说那样拥挤、肮脏、穷到骇人听闻和缺少认全,那么中国的确已经是一个改头换面的国家。

People are generally happy and contended. They are proud of their country and do their bit of contribution diligently. They are clean, affable, civil and helpful. Even those who are riding to their works on bicycles are neatly dressed up. Public transport system is efficient. The buses, the trains are immaculate, the stations spic and span. Public toilets don’t have too be searched for and unlike greedy European systems, no coins have to be dropped in for using the loo. The toilets are very clean and unlike India there’s always water in the taps and the WCs. The taps are not dripping or broken and all toilets have automatic hot air blower/dryer in working condition, for drying up wet hands, have soap dispensers with soap in them, have papers dispensers with paper rolls or napkins. The attendants are always around and seen cleaning and mopping. The lights and fans are all working. In fact about light and water I would like to say that in my last fifteen months in China, whether here in Shanghai, in the town, Dhinghai, Nanjing, Islands Changxing or Xiushan or a tiny village Ratio, I have never seen power disruption or water cuts even in the name of maintenace.

人们普遍快乐和满意,他们为国家感到自豪,辛勤地做出自己的一份贡献;他们穿着干净、友善、有礼貌和乐于助人。即使骑着自行车去上班的人也衣着整洁。公共交通系统非常高效,公交车和地铁无可挑剔,站台干干净净。

公厕很容易找到,与贪婪的欧洲公厕不一样,这里使用公厕不用投币。公厕非常干净,反观印度公厕的水龙头总是在滴水,而这里的水龙头既不会滴水,也不会破损,所有厕所都有可用于烘干手的自动热风机,装有皂液的皂液机,以及放有纸巾的纸巾盒。你总是能看到工作人员在擦洗和打扫。灯和风扇总是处于工作中。事实上,我要说的是,就我过去15个月在中国呆的经历来看,不管是在上海、南京,还是在乡镇、长兴岛、秀山或者小村庄,我从未遇到停电断水的情况,即便以维修的名义也未出现过。

Here in Shanghai, it’s the month of May now and I haven’t seen a fly or a mosquito. I haven’t seen a cockroach ever since I have come to China. All hedges, fences along the roads are pruned, trimmed, washed with water spray and are sprayed with chemicals that not only preserve them but also leave some gloss of freshness on them. Traffic cops are hardly ever seen at the cross-roads which at places are as big as football grounds and even at midnight even if there’s just one car, you would see it waiting for the signal to change.

现在是5月,我在上海看不到一只苍蝇或蚊子。自从来到中国以后,我从未见过一只蟑螂。道路边上的树篱和栅栏修剪整齐,还有人洒水喷药,不仅保护了绿化,且给其披上了一层光泽新鲜。

你在十字路口几乎看不到交警,有的十字路口甚至堪比足球场大,即便是晚上只有一辆汽车,你也会看到它在等着通行的信号灯。

There are survillance cameras everywhere. It’s not that the people don’t violate traffic rules, they do and it appears that it is allowed but it’s kind of watch and drive understanding. No horn honking, no skirmishes, swearings or raising of middle finger. I haven’t seen an accident in the last fifteen months. Some months ago death sentence was handed over to a taxi driver for drunkan driving that resulted in death of four persons. The justice system is so efficient that in serious crimes the hearing or deliverance of justice can be as fast as with in a month.

到处是监控摄像头,并非人们不违反交规,他们其实也违反,且看来是被允许的。没人乱鸣喇叭,没人起冲突、咒骂或者竖中指。在过去15个月里,我从未见过一起事故。几个月前,一名出租车司机酒驾撞死4人,结果被判死刑。中国的司法体制非常高效,严重犯罪的听证和审判最快可以在一个月内完成。

The corrupt officials are routinely tried and punished severely. It’s not that there is no grievance or frustration, in fact it’s a lot and the anger is being directed against helpless children as recently there have been many attacks on the school children by the disgruntled people ( I will post a separate article on this) but without commenting on such incidents I would like to say that some of the culprits have already been executed after being held guilty and now the government has announced that it’s allowing shoot at sight against such incidents. Obviously we who have seen democracy at it’s best or worst can’t understand this because in our country even those who have single handedly killed hundreds of innocent people, waging a war against the nation are being defended.

But Well this series is for showing you the best of Shanghai- so let’s leave all the talking for some other post…So here enjoy the pictures.

通常来说,腐败官员会受严惩。实际上,这里并非不存在不满或失望,其实有很多,只不过这种愤怒被转移到了无助孩子身上。最近就发生了许多起不满者针对小学生的袭击事件(我会单独就此写一篇文章),其中一些罪犯被判有罪后已经被处决,政府宣布碰到此类事件时允许(警察)当场开枪。

显然,对于目睹过皿煮最好和最坏情况的我们对此难以理解,因为在我们国家,即使是一手杀死数百名无辜者的凶手或对其他国家发动战争的战犯也会得到辩护。

本文旨在向你们展示上海最好的方面,还是写其他博文时再来长篇大论吧,以下欣赏图片:

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以下是印度网民的评论:

译文来源:三泰虎博客 http://www.santaihu.com

binagupta

nkb: kab ki ticket lein?? haha incredible shanghai indeed;)

哈哈,令人难以置信的上海 😉

jaijui

navneet ,
i was so thrilled to hear the nice things about shanghai and other places
but what about corruption ? during the earthquake when schools collapsed due to bad construction parents of dead children wanted justice… they were crushed
fulangong ..off shoot of buddhists why are they being persecuted ?
what about our Arunachal being usurped by them
what about hackers stealing technology ..?
sorry re u may not have answers
i was just saying
jai

看到上海这么漂亮真是激动,那当地的腐败呢?地震时,豆腐渣的学校大楼倒塌,失去孩子的父母要求得到正义…..

佛教徒为什么受迫害?

还有他们在侵占我们的阿邦

黑客窃取技术

抱歉,也许你答不来

我只是说说而已

navneetkumarbakshi

Hi Jai,

Nice to hear from you about politics. If we look it so, then how do you rank America and the Britain as far meddling in the world affairs and playing diabolic game of death and mayhem, enslaving human beings and looting nations is concerned and India for corruption and moral rot? Do you remember the name of the IAS officer who made millions out of flood relief for Bihar victims and he even earned international praise for his effort before being exposed.

Yesterday one high ranking officer was given death sentence here for corruption and bribes and two days ago one business tycoon was sentenced to fourteen years jail term for similar wrong doings. As far as exercising right over the land is concerned, what do you say about Kashmir, Punjab (Khalistan), Gorkhaland, Nagaland, Jai Maharashtra, Maoists, Kurds, Chechenya, Basque in Spain and almost every nation has them. Do you know how Taiwan was created and who were responsible. Who were responsible for the division of India and why America supports Pakistan? What was the cause of Vietnam war? How Taliban came in to existence? Who were mujhahedeens and which country supported their cause? I am not sure whom Tibet belonged to but a lot of good I hear has been done to the land after it’s accession.

很高兴看到你对政治的评论。如果我们这么看,那么你又如何看美英对世界事务的干涉,如何看美英玩弄死亡游戏,奴役别国人民,掠夺其他国家。你还记得吗,印度一位官员从对比哈尔邦灾民的粮食救济中赚了几百万,在被曝光前他还赢得了国际赞誉。

昨天,中国一位高官因腐败受贿而被判死刑;两天前,一位商业大亨因类似罪行而被判14年。

你知道台湾问题是如何产生的吗,谁的责任?谁对印巴分治负有责任?为什么美国支持巴基斯坦?越南战争爆发的原因是什么?塔利班是如何出现的?

我不确定xz属于谁的,但我听说并入中国后,xz得到了很多实惠。

Dr Madhvi

Shanghai is beutiful in your pics.
China has used Iron hand to achieve what it is. They needed too perhaps since their population was highest in the world…..i don’t know now.
India is a not a democracy, its more of a chaos now.
Nice blog.

Madhvi

你图片上展示的上海很漂亮。

中国用铁腕手段取得了当前成就。他们拥有世界上最多的人口,也许这种手段正是其所需…..

印度不是一个皿煮国家,更像是乱糟糟的国家

navneetkumarbakshi

Thanks Madhavi,

They still use iron hand and I feel to some extent it is required. Take the case of Singapore. Laws there too are very strict. If you give a long rope to the people chaos is what results in. In India democracy means impunity.

他们仍然采用铁腕手段,我觉得某种程度上是需要的。就拿新加坡来说,当地的法律就非常严格。

在印度,皿煮意味着不受惩罚。

azad582002

nice pics
lot of diffrence now and then 1976
been in twice 1975 n 1976

不错

现在和1976年有很大差别

去过两次,分别是1975年和1976年

avneetkumarbakshi

Yes Azad the real changes have come in the last decade.

是的,真正的改变出现在过去十年

V-S-Gopal

Hi NKB,
I liked this blog very much.
I have been to China in 1980 and 1995, and that is all. But I have every reason to believe your word that India has been ashamed by its all-round development. We are still plodding here with corrupt and inefficient governance. Luckily the private sector has been India’s saviour from ignominy.

I have a few questions. Is the one-child norm still mandatory? Are people hygienic with at least one bath a day? I don’t get to see motor-bikes,scooters and three-wheel autorickshaws in any photos. Are they absent in China including in small towns?

You have not said anything here about Expo.
Cheers!
vs gopal

嗨,Navneet,我在1980年和1995年去过中国。我完全有理由相信你说的话,印度被中国全面发展所羞辱。我们仍然在缓慢发展,备受腐败和低效困扰。幸运地是,私营领域挽回了印度的体面。

我有几个问题。独生子女政策仍然是强制性的吗?人们讲卫生吗,是否至少一天洗一次澡?我在你发的照片上看不到摩托车、踏板车和三轮嘟嘟车。是否在包括小乡镇的地方都看不到这些?

你在文中也未提及上海世博会。

navneetkumarbakshi

Dear Gopal ji
It’s a pleasure to find you visiting here. I miss so many of your and others audio blogs because here in China I can’t get Youtube can’t see the “play strip” included in the blog posts.
In my next blog on Shanghai/China I will put the pictures of other cities and towns.

You came here fifteen years ago but at the pace they are progressing it seems half a century. I have seen a town complete in every respect come up in one year. I have seen stretches of roads carpeted and trees planted on both sides and carpet of grass laid on side walks overnight. The trees are not planted as saplings but young adults and grass is grown in carpets in nurseries and rolled out literally like carpets. I have yet to post the pictures of their multi-level bridges and elevated highways. They have laid underwater tube across hangpu river to join shanghai to other islands and that tube already has four lanes road but two way metro running through it alongside hasn’t been started.

One child policy seems to have been relaxed a bit after male-female ratio having gone a bit off chart. Now the permission is financial status based. If you can afford, you can have. Also if farming is your profession then you can have a second child if the first one is a female.

Plenty of people ride scooters, bikes and mobikes but with public transport system being so efficient long distance commuters prefer to use that.

Auto rickshaws are allowed on some stretches only I believe, as I have seen only some waiting outside a few metro stations. In small towns cycle rickshaws are common too.

People are far more cleaner and hygiene conscious than they are in India. They dress up cleanly and one time bath is common. I have seen them bathing in the villages where water has to be drawn from the well and even there solar water heaters are there atop almost every house while here in shanghai piped gas supply is there in every apartment and on line gas heater are so efficient that running hot water is available anytime in any tap in the apartment.

I have just made one visit to the expo so far and that was rather disastrous. I chose saturday, went late in the evening and thought of starting from the well.. Indian Pavilion- it was pathetic, Indian Tourism and other government funded stalls hadn’t even been set up and

I Went on 22nd May i.e. a good 22 days after official opening of the exhibition. Then I thought since it was late I decided to visit the adjoining Saudi Arabian Pavilion. That was another wrong decision, the queue was so long that it took me three and a half hour to reach the pavilion and frankly I didn’t find it very impressive and shots of the grandeur of the Royals were a kind of put off to an ordinary human being like me.

Though I have enough pictures to make a blog post but that would be belittling the extravganza at display here and last Saturday it was raining. May be I will go again next week or delay as my wife and son are coming a week after, but surely I will post a lot about expo too.

Best Regards,
Navneet Bakshi

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看到你访问这里很高兴。

我在下篇博文会发一些其他城市和乡镇的图片。

你15年前来中国,但是以他们的发展速度,看起来像是半个世纪。我曾亲眼目睹一个完整的乡镇在一年内建完,路边的绿化一夜之间完成。树木不是从树苗种起,而是直接种上小树,一块块的草皮像地毯一样铺开。

我还未发多层大桥和高架路的图片。他们打通了一条穿过黄浦江的隧道,把其他岛屿与上海连接起来,这一隧道有四车道,但穿过这一隧道的双向地铁尚未开通。

由于性别比例失调,独生子女政策有些放松。要看经济能力,如果你承担得起,那就可以要孩子。此外,如果你是农民且第一个孩子是女孩,那么你可以要第二个孩子。

许多人骑踏板车、自行车和摩托车,由于公共交通系统非常高效,长距离通勤的人会更喜欢公共交通。

三轮嘟嘟车应该只能在部分地段可以使用,我在一些地铁站外看到过一些,在小乡镇也是挺常见的。

与印度人比起来,中国人穿着要干净得多,卫生意识更强,每天洗一次澡是普遍的。我曾经在农村看到有人从井里打水洗澡,每座房子上面都安装有太阳能热水器,上海的每套公寓都有管道天然气供应,燃气热水器非常高效,你随时能用上热水。

迄今为止,我只去过一次世博会,情况很糟糕。去的那天是星期六,原本想从印度馆开始看起的,结果悲剧了,印度的摊子还未摆起来。

5月22日,也就是世博会开始后的第22天,我又去了。原以为太迟了,我去了邻近的沙特馆。结果又是一个错误决定,队伍排得很长,我等了三个半小时才进入馆中。坦白说,并没啥令人印象深刻的东西可看。

虽然有很多图片作为素材,足以写成一篇博文,但发到本文来会喧宾夺主。

也许我下周或晚些时候还会再去,我的妻子和儿子一周后会过来。

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    • 我已经看了这个人的几篇博文了,我们要走的路还长,而且觉得规划方面是个很严重的问题。
      例如,
      (1)从卫星地图看,停车位特别少,现在的城市里很多车都是乱停,或者乱划一些区域来停,或者下大雨很多地方就会瘫痪之类的,如果以后更发达了,不知道这些是不是隐患???
      (2)还有春运,为什么觉得解决就那么难?我觉得很好处理的,当然这个话要站在国家的长期规划治理层面来说,为啥不吧一些劳动密集型、具有战略价值、且可以往内地或者西部转移的(不造成环境破坏和水污染的)产业转移?合理分配工地,在运输成本方面,国家可以调控啊,人们就近务工,长远看还可以节省能源消耗,而奔走上千公里务工的交通费用用没必要出了,这样春运还那么难解决吗?(德国的就是这样的,很多世界很知名的企业生产地都是在一些小地方)这个不仅让中国大地社会更公平,而且让社会发展完善。
      (3)国家咋不吧当地民众的平均收入,用来做当地政府的政绩考核??然后采取暗访,如造假一经查到那这个政府从上到下通通判刑,而现在的,偏偏是通过一些高楼大厦来考核政绩,这样只会助长腐败。悲哀啊~!!
      等等。。。。。。。(大伙完善完善)
      我的感觉是很多事情国家处理根本就没抓住关键的部位~!!希望我是肤浅的,国家对这些比我看得远高明多了。 😈 😈

      • @皮九 : 停车位的话,好多停车场是地下停车场吧,卫星图上能看出来吗?另外,好多规划是较早以前做的,也许当时想不到会有这么多车。

        劳动密集型产业向中西部转移是目前政府正在做的吧。再说随着东部各种成本的提高,企业要么创新,要么转移。这个是很自然的事情,那么春运的问题或许慢慢就不是问题了。
        第三点的查到造假从上到下通通判刑是不可能的了,如果这样那这个地方的政府运行不就瘫痪了?

      • 我觉得国家多几个人像你那样思考是好的,不过我也说一下我的意见:
        1. 城市的地皮多贵你也应该知道,其实很多停车区域已经是不得已而为之,政府想多点地皮建大楼弄点收入,又不得不划出相应的地方来搞停车位,只是在平衡矛盾。我觉得应该每栋大厦下面应该搞2层以上的地下停车场,也要规划好在相应的地方建作为市政设施的停车场大楼,地面和地下都有几层那种,然后对乱停的车辆开具大的罚单!
        2. 春运的解决真的很难。你不能为了那一个月不到的客流量大建铁路,而在平时十一个月空置。现在高铁什么的就已经是解决的其中一个方案,也就是提高通行速度达到疏通的目的。
        3. 还有个产业转移的问题,国家早就在做,什么西部大开发的就是。不过事情也没那么简单,假如你是老板,住在上海,让你的厂搬去甘肃的小城镇,你也要去那里常住,甚至带上家眷,你会怎么想。或者是,你在上海的公司好好地干了好几年,做了个中层,现在公司让你长期去甘肃的小城镇那边常驻,也许你也要带上家眷,反正是非去不可的,你会考虑跳槽或辞职吗?所以你也要考虑到公司发展的很多问题。
        4. 当地民众的平均收入,用来做当地政府的政绩考核??那就悲催了。说老实话话,我不认为缺氧气缺水的西.藏和多山路难行的四川它们的平均收入,能高过都是平原外加航运发达的沿海地区。你的意思是说那些地方的官员就活该给这个政府从上到下通通判刑??呵呵,你还真的敢想!
        综上所述,我一介平民都能看出这些,你觉得国家这笔帐不会算?所以也不用随便说很多事情国家处理根本就没抓住关键的部位。至少国家真的在努力改善当中,也正在迅速改善当中。

        • 你这种是典型的懒人思维,抓住细节丢掉了整体把握。考核政绩应该根据生活水平提高的程度,而不是高楼大厦,经济繁荣应该让老百姓得到实惠,这是对的。你丫瞎鸡巴扯什么区域不平衡,你这种傻逼才会简单拿2边的数字来对比的好吧,西藏的经济永远不可能比上海繁荣,但西藏的平均收入是全国提高最快的地区之一,同时西藏也是中国出高官的地区之一,上届BOSS就是一例。

        • (1)关键是现在的规划还是有问题,以前没想到可以理解,但是现在还是出现很多问题,我给我的家人(借钱给兄弟姐妹)在城里一共买了五套房,你知道小区里的规划是怎么样的???小区住户1758户,但地下停车场车位455个,这个小区2010年开建的,难道还是想不到以后的车更多?土地贵那是客观存在的问题,谁叫国家人口那么多?不能成为发展规划乱象的理由,(这些或许是规划监管乱的问题),唯一应该做的是想办法解决,你说的停车场大楼是不是十几层楼都是停车场?还有汽车电梯那个?好像在那里看到过。我想这个可以考虑成解决方案。
          (2)真做到工厂产地在全国形成一张网结构似的、各地合理分散开来,务工人员走向也就分散了,我不觉得会出现一个月的客流量大的现象。现在大多数都往沿海一带去,春运的时候那是个单行线你知道吗???给你说个例子,快临近春节 的时候,从我们内部过去的车人少得很,有些长途客运车还开着空车去沿海一带拉人。回来居然出现一票难求;等到春节过后,初七八,从来沿海一来到内陆来的车也很松了,但出去的有些在火车站要整上几天。
          (3)你说的第三点我觉得嘛,怎么说?国家如果不为广大人民利益考虑,而只是为了部分有钱人着想,那我就没办法了,真的!!酒泉卫星发射中心那是国家的,按理说为了那些科学家生活条件安逸舒适,他可以在一个很好的地方建立起来,但还不是照样在戈壁上做到了,每一个地方你真正去建设它,它就可以成为一个好地方。
          还有就是:既然要办事,要做企业,又怕吃苦,又不想付出,我的天,早晚会变成三哥的。
          (4)第四点我不说了。
          (5)有些人读书越多贡献越大,但有些人读书多了,居然把自己的思想束缚住了,真是个悲剧。很多情况,大学毕业出来,找个地方上班,上了一年,感觉钱不够用,又不想上班,怎么办?晚上很多自己也想了自己干点什么,好 了,想啊,想啊,听说买饼赚钱,怎么做好卖,才好吃,但朋友同学看到多没面子,还有起早贪黑的,算了,听说买粉面早餐也很赚钱,可是很讲究的,要好吃,要卫生,卫生没问题,可是好吃怎么做得出来啊,怎么办,去找个人教,怕人家又不愿意教我,自己摸索?平时我都是外面吃的,桌子上的方便面盒几天了我都还没丢,算了。要不开店?那现在什么能赚到钱呢?现在都流行网上购物,那要不搞个网店怎么样,又可以上网,但怎么操作呢?当地能行吗?怎么发货?信誉度怎么建立,感觉怎么那么难啊,算了。要不办个我现在有点技术的小作坊吧,虽说是小作坊,但投资也得20万啊,我根本就没钱,想都别想了,算了。明天还上去上班吧,真是的,国家怎么不像米国那样民主,不管人民的死活,可恶的GCD,我们怎么就不如其他国家呢?比如印度??生在中国真是太不幸了,有钱我就移民。(真担心这辈子能不能有钱的那一天)
          我想说的是,典型的自我精神束缚的表现,先想一些好的出来,然后又想一些可能出现的困难出来,结果是相互抵消了,或者更沮丧,第二天的我还不如原来的我。一个人有好的想法、想做什么就认真去对待,有问题去想办法解决,对个人还说得过去,但对一个号称5000的文明古国,别人办到的好的地方,自己办不到?那只能证明这个国家什么????(可别忘了一个国家是由人民组成的)

          • 说到产业转移问题,我觉得你还是想得太简单了,为什么当初在沿海形成外向加工业,就是因为海运发达啊,产品生产出来后直接运到海港运出去了,产品成本就降低了。设想一下,如果把这些企业设在内地,就凭那时道路状况和车辆,交通运费就吓死人了,还有商品价格竞争力吗;另外形成规模后,相应配套产业也起业了,人口就集聚起来了,但中国人那时只有劳动力便宜,只能暂时委屈老百姓进行长途迁徙了,这是中国人不幸,但在当时也没有办法的。
            要说产业转移,也不是一朝一夕的事,从东部向中部再到西部,要经过二三十年吧。再者你说产业规划,你设想要做成全国一张网似的,设想是好,但这要考虑到各地经济、交通、资源、地型、人口集聚什么,不可能摊大饼啊,但这需要多大成本啊,就为解决春运问运?现在毕竟不是计划经济,全是公有制企业,按国家规划搞,你也要考虑到私营企业的利润啊。我看“山”就说的没错,抓住细节丢掉了整体把握。
            至余你举了酒泉卫星发射中心例子,为了那些科学家是有必要的,但不具备推广性,你说做企业不能怕吃苦,不能不想付出是对的,但也不能蛮干吧

      • 兄弟 事情不是想象的那么简单 高速发展的时期 你不可能做的那么面面俱到的完美 中国作为一个大国穷国 首先要解决发展的问题 所以就要使能促进发展的元素最大化 这样就不可避免的产生很多问题 否则 中国也到不了今天的样子

  1. 来到中国的就是不一样,不想坏阿三,不分青红皂白一顿喷粪,不过好像他只写了好的方面

  2. 与印度人比起来,中国人穿着要干净得多,卫生意识更强,每天洗一次澡是普遍的。
    ——————
    提问的印度人本来很骄傲 结果被打脸 何必让他们知道真相呢 继续做梦吧

  3. 我觉得阿三没有欧美人公正。阿三是在国内乱喷,到了中国后一百八十度转弯了……
    中国政府应该多邀请一些阿三的喷子来中国旅游。(会不会赖在这里)

    • 我认为非法滞留就不要客气。比如广东有一部份外劳就是非法滞留打工的,这种查到应该坚决处理。关起来,或罚款,遣返。容留非法劳工的老板,房东和中介要罚到倾家荡产,否则产业升级就是空谈。虽然国内沿海成本增长,本来国家的打算是让这些企业要么产业升级,创新,要么往中西部迁移。如果容留大量非法外劳,那估计产业升级,创新和西部开发就成一句空话了。

  4. 其实英国佬种下了邪恶的种子,中国人根本不想侵占印度的什么东西,我们自己深刻明白被侵略的痛苦,但中印间的小国,被印度侵占了不少,我们想法是让他们自己决定或者永远独立,可以促进大家一起发展。但若印度想吞并的话,我想中国也应该吞并,毕竟那边还有很多黄皮肤的亚洲人。

  5. 尼玛、说的我都脸红了。。。。。典型的洋五毛,印度华吹。。。不过我喜欢,啊哈哈、、

  6. 引用 “看到你访问这里很高兴。

    我在下篇博文会发一些其他城市和乡镇的图片。

    你15年前来中国,但是以他们的发展速度,看起来像是半…”

    ___________________________

    小虎子,下篇博文什么时候发呢? :mrgreen:

  7. 这个网站我是前段时间关注的,现在基本每天都会看,超级喜欢三泰虎的贴子,贴子每天上线少了点,如果每天有5-10篇就好了。

  8. 第一个,你说对了,规则得不好。第二,春运一次的费用明显比成千上万次把分散在各地的货物运到一起便宜多了,产业链在一个地区集中,少了很多运费,如果你看下地图会发现那些都在沿海,就可以知道,造近海运港口是多么重要。第三,国家把平均收入当成政绩,一个毛病就是会提高企业成本,中国发展密集劳动产业,就是因为人工便宜,人工多。当然你可以说,我不要赚这种血汗钱,可是中国有十三亿人口,不要密集劳动型产业,就业率怎么保证?

  9. 公厕很容易找到,与贪婪的欧洲公厕不一样,这里使用公厕不用投币。公厕非常干净,反观印度公厕的水龙头总是在滴水,而这里的水龙头既不会滴水,也不会破损,所有厕所都有可用于烘干手的自动热风机,装有皂液的皂液机,以及放有纸巾的纸巾盒。你总是能看到工作人员在擦洗和打扫。灯和风扇总是处于工作中。事实上,我要说的是,就我过去15个月在中国呆的经历来看,不管是在上海、南京,还是在乡镇、长兴岛、秀山或者小村庄,我从未遇到停电断水的情况,即便以维修的名义也未出现过。——————————————————–我想说他说的绝对不是公厕啊!街上的公厕哪有那么好。另外关于供电供水什么的,在我们看来是理所当然的事情对他们而言居然是惊奇和值得羡慕的。。。