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Navneet:哇!哇!上海(I)

Navneet:哇!哇!上海。当我们提及世界上发展速度最快的经济体时,我们充满着自豪,因为我们常把中国和印度相提并论。但是,一盏灯泡终究不能与太阳相比较,即使灯泡也与太阳一样会发光,但两者的相似性也仅限于此。这样说会让我感到受伤,我的爱国博友肯定也会,但真相是让人痛苦的。也许民主有其优势,自由不能拿来比较,但如果自由意味着暴徒焚烧公共财产和填充自己的金库,给自己塑造雕像,炫耀满载的战利品,放任毛派炸毁火车,那么遗憾地说,我并不提倡此类自由。

译文来源:三泰虎 http://www.santaihu.com
外文标题:Wah! Wah! Shanghai- Part 1
外文地址:http://travel.sulekha.com/wah-wah-shanghai-part-1_travelogue_4330


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When we speak of the fastest growing economies in the world we are filled with pride as we name China and India in the same breath. Yes there is no denial to it. It's same like when we say we say Amitabh Bachchan is an Indian. It's the sense of belonging that gives a kind of good feeling but a lamp can't be compared with the Sun even though it gives light as does the Sun but the comparison ends there.

It's hurting me when I am saying and I am sure it will hurt my patriotic fellow bloggers too but the truth is indeed bitter. May be democracy has it's advantages and freedom can't be compared but if freedom means goons on the prowl burning public property and filling their own coffers or installing their statues and flaunting garlands loaded with loot, letting Maoists blow up the trains then, I am sorry to say that I am not an advocate of such a freedom. We really don't deserve it.

True, the warmth, the prices even abundance of things that we have in India is hard to compare with but so is the filth, the disorder, chaos, lawlessness, corruption and many other woes the country is reeling under. But I intend this blog to be a photo feature and want to let the pictures speak, so I should rather shut up.

当我们提及世界上发展速度最快的经济体时,我们充满着自豪,因为我们常把中国和印度相提并论。的确,没人会对此否认,这种自豪感类似我们说阿米塔布·巴强是印度人时的自豪感,给人一种良好的感觉。但是,一盏灯泡终究不能与太阳相比较,即使灯泡也与太阳一样会发光,但两者的相似性也仅限于此。

这样说会让我感到受伤,我的爱国博友肯定也会,但真相是让人痛苦的。也许民主有其优势,自由不能拿来比较,但如果自由意味着暴徒焚烧公共财产和填充自己的金库,给自己塑造雕像,炫耀满载的战利品,放任毛派炸毁火车,那么遗憾地说,我并不提倡此类自由。我们真的不配有这样的自由。

的确,印度人的热情、商品的物价等许多方面是(中国)无法比较的,但环境的脏乱差、人们不守秩序、无法无天、腐败横行等国家正在经历的痛楚也是(中国无法比较的)。我打算用图片的形式来展示本文,让图片来说话,我该闭嘴了。

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There is no litter on the road. You don't find even a stray dog, leave aside finding cattle on the road. They won't last anyway if they dare to come to loiter on the roads because meat is very expensive and the people will make good use of them rather than wait for the administration to show political will keeping an eye on the elections and caring for the religious sentiments of the people.

But political will is all powerful here and it's colour is deep red, the colour of blood and of danger. There is no opposition or whimper, discontent or stir. No public opinion or out cry. The permit system for entering Shanghai is so strong that I don't even see many birds flying about. Even though the spring is in the air. I haven't seen any butterflies even yet. And since my thoughts have brought me to the topic of the spring I will put some more pictures and let them sing the song I would like to.

公路上没有垃圾。你连一条流浪狗都找不到,更不用说在公路上发现牛了。如果这些动物胆敢在公路上闲荡,它们呆不久的,因为当地的肉非常昂贵,人们会把它们充分利用起来,无需等盯着选举和顾及人们宗教情感的当局表现出政治意志。

然而,中国的政治意志非常强大,且其颜色是深色的,是血的颜色,象征危险的颜色。根本就没有反对意见,没有抱怨、不满或煽动,没有公众舆论或公众抗议。上海的准入制度非常严格,乃至我看不到多少飞来飞去的鸟儿,虽然空气中已经弥漫着春意,我连一只蝴蝶也没看到过。既然我的思绪把我带到了春天的话题,我会多发一些图片,让图片来歌唱这一春天之歌。

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以下是评论部分:


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ghazala

Hi,

Beautiful pictures..!!

嗨,

图片漂亮!

navneetkumarbakshi


Thanks Ghazala will post more pictures. Shangahi is indeed beautiful plan a vacation here this summer with your children they will love it and so will I.


谢谢Ghazala


我会再发一些图片上来的。上海的确漂亮,筹划一下把你孩子带过来一起度假,他们会喜欢的。


ghazala


Dear Navneetji,


You are the BEST..! We were planning on visiting BALI this summer,
But hubby dear has some important projects coming up..!
:(
Thanks, will surly keep your offer in mind next time,
ghazala..


你是最棒的!我们今年夏天计划去巴厘岛度假,但老公有一些重要的项目要做!


:(


谢谢,下次会考虑你的建议的。



Sudha H Sharma

Navneet,

I'm impressed with the almost sterile environment, the well maintained roads and structures and the well trimmed hedges and flower bushes, but well there will always be a but for we are dealing with China here :))) give me our polluted and dirty roads and poor infrastructure any day atleast I know that my spirit will be free and unrestricted here :)))

Infact come to think of it China does not even let their rose bushes grow in a haphazard manner even that is restricted :)))))

Cheers,
Sudha

看后真是令人印象深刻,几乎一尘不染的环境,维护良好的道路和建筑,修剪整齐的篱笆和花丛灌木,不过我们谈到中国时总会在后面加个“但是” :) 我们的公路虽然脏,基础设施虽然差,但我们至少精神是自由的,不受限制 :)

细想一下,中国连玫瑰丛都不允许其自由生长,就连这个也受限制 :)

Divya V

Dear Navneet!

I live in singapore and have quite a few frds from mainland china.. I have an invitation from my ex-roommate's family as well.. hopefully next year will make it.. you pictures only make me want come there even more :))

I agree to your initial statements and voice the same sentiments. Freedom is important, but then India, Freedom seems to be the only thing important! Its nice to find people in Sulekha who have choosen to live in the East.. minority we are here really (He he he!) as this space is clogged with people living in the West.. I have no complained abt the west, have lived there for a very short tie though, but there is something abt the east I find mystical! In fact there is another blogger Raj Armugam who shared the same sentiment with me quite a while ago.. He used to live in singapore and now migrated to australia.

Looking forward for more spring pictures!

我住在新加坡,有许多来自中国大陆的朋友.....我也收到了来自前舍友的邀请....希望明年能成行......你的图片让我更想去那里了 :)

我对你文章一开始表达的看法表示赞同,在此我也表达同样的感想。自由是重要的,但在印度,自由似乎成为了唯一重要的事情。

很高兴在Sulekha发现有人选择住在东方,我们在当地是少数族群(呵呵!),这里挤满了西方人......我对西方并无抱怨,在那里居住过很短的一段时间,相较之下我发现东方有一些神秘的东西!很久以前,另一位叫Raj Armugam的博主就表达了与我类似的观点。他以前住在新加坡,现在移居到澳大利亚了。

期待你分享更多春意盎然的图片!

navneetkumarbakshi


Dear Divya,
Even I extend you an invitation. Next year I am not sure, if I will be there or even if in China whether I will be in Shanghai or not. Yes Divya freedom is important but it is not a license to rape the nation. If it comes to that then whip is necessary. Being in Singapore you know what it means to mess with the law and that knowledge is enough to set 99% right others are sent to the gallows here and in China and in Singapore they may escape capital punishment but they know they may not breathe the air of freedom so they obey. In east we are not looked down upon. We are their equals, there is no racial disparity and no hatred and above all there is a fraternal feeling to make you feel comfortable if the source of discomfort is your own heart.


就连我也想向你发出邀请。明年不确定是否会在中国,甚或即使在中国,不确定是否会在上海。自由的确重要,但并非是强奸国家的许可证。如果事情到那种地步,那么鞭子是必要的。你住在新加坡知道干扰法律意味着什么,这一认识足以让99%的人端正言行,其余的送上绞刑架。在中国和新加坡,人们也许能逃脱死刑的惩罚,但他们知道自己也许无法呼吸自由的空气,所以他们选择服从。我们在东方不会受歧视,人人平等,当地并不存在种族歧视和仇恨



kamalji

Dear Navneet,

this is heaven man, what lovely pics.And i agree with u, about india, mayawati, the corrupt politicians, and most of all these Maoists who can blow up anyone and we are powerless to do anything.shameful really.

Regards

kamal

哥们,这可是天堂啊,真是好看。我同意你对印度腐败政客的看法,最重要的是那些谁也敢炸的毛派,我们却对此无能为力。真是可耻。

navneetkumarbakshi


Can't say Sir, I haven't seen heaven and don't think I will get to see it ever. Isilye main sochata hoon jo mila hai use hi swarg samajh ke jeeo. Yes India's condition is very very sad. I feel bad for my nation. Democracy is being used as a license to rape Bharat Mata sab Maadar??? hain saale.


先生,我说不准,我没见过天堂,也不认为以后能看到.......印度的状况的确非常可悲,我为国家感到难过。民主正被当做强奸印度的许可证.......



binagupta

nkb: only one word: awesome!

只能用一个词来形容:令人惊叹!

navneetkumarbakshi


Indeed it is Bina. I will post more pictures


Bina,的确如此,我会再发一些图片上来。



jaijui

navneet ,
i loved seeing this
so clean chinese have that discipline we Indians dont dare to come close to LOL
kya karen hum aisey hi hain
please post more
Jai

这个我喜欢看

非常干净,中国人遵纪守法,我们印度人连边都沾不上,(笑)

再发一些图片上来吧

navneetkumarbakshi


will post more Jai- my heart bleeds. we are ourselves to blame for our sorry state


Jai,我会再发一些上来的,我的心在滴血,国家的可悲状况是我们自己一手造成的。



Nargis Natarajan

Hi Navneet..............

WOW! Those pictures surely speak for themselves. I wonder though why we call them sky scrapers as these buildings hardly seem to graze or scuff the sky. Rather they enhance the beauty of the natural painting above. So technically the term should have been sky enhancers :-} And of course those marathon green environmental friendly tennis balls are totally awesome!
And one more thing Navneet....The patriotic me just can't leave without commenting on what you wrote above ;-} Sure, the lamp cannot be compared to the sun...but what would we do without the lamp? Especially since Mr. Sun refuses to show his face in the night. And one can't deny the fact that sometimes the exciting rays of the 'Sun' can be too glaring compared to the 'softness' of the pedestrian lamp :-}

哇啊!图片本身就证明了一切。不知道为什么我们要用摩天楼(sky scrapers)来形容,这些大楼基本没有给人摩擦天空的感觉,反倒更像是加强天然绘画的美丽 ,所以应该说是”强天楼“(sky enhancers) :-}

还有一件事,爱国的我无法对你文中的观点不予置评 ;-} 灯泡当然无法与太阳比较,但要是没有灯泡怎么办?特别是太阳晚上并不会出来。有一点你无法否认,即太阳的光芒有时候太耀眼了,无法与灯的柔和相比较 :-}

Aditi Ray

Very beautiful pictures, Navneet. I am curious about the permit system that you mention, is there no freedom of movement for people even within their own country?

非常漂亮!Navneet,我对你说的准入制度非常好奇,是否是本国人民无法在国内自由移动?

navneetkumarbakshi


As such there is no restriction but you can't loiter around without a purpose. Like if you come to work in Shanghai from another province, you have to show up at the police station within three days and they will give you a temporary permit of residence and you can stay and work but you can't become a Shanghai citizen for ten years and thus certain advantages that come with it like medical and insurance cover etc. you can't get, you have to buy your own. So beggars can't just board the train and come and start begging here or a fruit seller can't put his Redi (cart) here anytime he likes to. I haven't yet seen a beggar here in Shanghai, though in other city where I was before, I would see some.


并没这方面的限制,但要有证件。比如你从其他省份来到上海工作,你必须在三天内去派出所报到,他们会给你一个暂住证,你可以在当地居住和工作,但你在十年内成为不了上海公民,无法享受相应的医保社保,必须得自己买。所以乞丐无法登上列车来到这里乞讨,或者水果摊贩无法随时推着车过来贩卖水果。我在上海没有见过乞丐,但以前在其他城市有见过一些。



sunkan

great pics making one long to go and have a look directly..sunkan

图片很棒,让人看了很向往,给人一种身临其境的感觉.....

navneetkumarbakshi


Yes Sunkan, Indeed very tempting and the reality is more pleasant.


是的,Sunkan,的确非常吸引人,现实更是令人赏心悦目。



Dr Madhvi

navneet
Shanghai and beijing are the chinese showcases...don't be befooled....rural china or other than these two cities is very dull with lot of other problems....thats what my son said who stayed there for 6 months.
madhvi

navneet,上海和北京是中国人用来炫耀的,别被欺骗了.....中国农村或者说这两个城市以外的地方非常枯燥无味,存在许多其他问题.....我的儿子在那里呆了6个月,他就是这么说的。

navneetkumarbakshi


Madhavi,


I was staying in a village in an island for nine months. I will post the pictures of that village and my experiences of living there too in one of the blogs.Rights are curbed here yes, prices are high, living expensive and salaries small, power in a few hands and consequent corruption but there is accountability, order and discipline unlike chaos, insurgency, terrorism, jingoism in India. Have heard myself too about it but haven't seen though I have gone to many cities in China.


Madhavi,我在某岛上的农村呆了9个月。我以后会在博文中把那个村以及我在当地生活经历的一些图片发上来。权利是受限制的,物价不低,生活成本很高,工资低,权力掌握在少数人手中并相应滋生了腐败,但有审计,人们遵守秩序和纪律,反观印度则是一片混乱、到处暴动、恐怖主义和沙文主义盛行。我也听说过你说的情况,但没有见过,虽然我去过许多中国城市。



Jayati Gupta

Hi Navneet
I can follow your thoughts about Shanghai ... I remember when I had posted about this country - a lot of people gave it a side glance... it was literally impossible to talk about China... anyone who spoke was branded a communist (as if one cannot appreciate b'coz of ...) The truth is we may differ in political thoughts but what the people have done thru grit and determination deserve a good word.
Ether

Navneet,我理解得来你有关上海的感想.....我记得我曾经发了一篇有关中国的文章——许多人对此侧目而视......根本就没法理性讨论中国......否则会被视为共产主义者......两国也许在政治思维上存在差异,但还是应该对人们通过决心取得的成就给个赞。

navneetkumarbakshi


Yes Ether, we must rise above our narrow minded views and appreciate the achievements of others and try to learn.


是的,我们必须走出狭隘思维,要懂得欣赏别人的成就并努力借鉴。



sridharaa

Hi Navneet,

Nice write up and the pictures.
Cheers

写得不错,图片也很棒

annaakka

Lovely pictures.. my husband visits China so I have seen many pictures.. he is always impressed at their advancements and how clean they are and many positive things going for them.

好看.....我的丈夫去过中国,我看过许多照片,中国的进步、环境的整洁等令他印象非常深刻,他还说了很多中国好的方面。

navneetkumarbakshi


Yes annaakaa they are way ahead of us, very clean, organized and proud of their country.


是的,annaakaa ,他们遥遥领先我们,非常整洁、非常有组织性,人人为国家自豪。



karan diwan

Dear Navneetkumarji,
i agree wt every word of yours, beautiful pictures ,i was in shanghai 6 months back,i tell everybody,UK,USA or any other country is like a public loo compared to shanghai,we hv no class in anything compared to them, we will only screw this country bits & parts, wt dacoits who are our politicians n large un controlled n rowdy population we are headed for slumbhai, what you see of mumbai now is the best, after 10 years it will be the dharavi of Asia.A lot of people try to put chinese achivements down,first lets get anywhere where they are n then talk abt it.I have written a couple of blogs on china earlier and how i was impressed,we hv generations to go,before we catch up.
rgds//kd

亲爱的Navneet,你的每一句话我都同意,这些图片很好看。我在上海呆过6个月。不管碰到谁,我要说的是英国、美国或者其他国家相比上海就是个公厕,我们根本就没有能够与其相提并论的地方。

许多人想方设法贬低中国人的成就,还是先达到他们的成就再来嘴炮吧。我以前写过几篇关于中国的文章。中国给我的印象非常深刻,我们要好几代人来追赶。

katokatha

don't know when wud be going to China,
ur blogs make me feel like going there right now, best wishekk

不知道什么时候会去中国

你的文章让我看了想立马去那里

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