原帖标题：India-China: The carrier race
China and India are neck-and-neck in their development of new-generation aircraft carriers. Both navies now have ‘new’ ships undergoing sea trials, and the race is on to see which will be the first to undertake landing trials for fixed wing aircraft.The Times of India reports that India’s new carrier, a heavily modified ex-Soviet vessel named INS Vikramaditya which recently went to sea for the first time in its renovated state, will start aviation trials later this month. The new Chinese carrier, another heavily modified ex-Soviet vessel of so far unknown name, has now made eight sea trials, though nothing other than a helicopter is known to have landed on its huge deck.
Whoever wins the symbolic race to be the first country to land and launch fixed-wing aircraft, it is worth remembering just how far behind both countries are to the Americans. And it’s not just the fleet of 11 aircraft carriers operated by the US Navy, each of which is far more powerful than the Chinese or Indian vessel. It’s the ‘mini’ carriers that the US Navy is now introducing, the America class.
These are ostensibly amphibious assault ships, but can be configured to act as ‘light’ aircraft carriers. Displacing 45,000 tons and with the ability to carry 20 strike aircraft, they will actually be around the same size as India’s new carrier and arguably more capable than either the Indian or Chinese vessel.
That's why US is the superpower in the world, not only it's bigger AC's are more in no.(11), more in size (2.5 times) & can carry 3 times fixed wing aircrafts, than IN or PLAAN but even it's smaller AC's are bigger than what both India & China has.
No doubt that, USA is No.1!!
Race is everywhere, no matter you accept it or not!!
What race ???
USA is winner 20 years ago and will be so for 15 years minimum
I don't know about china but India isn't plannng any CBG that will operate around the world. Indian focus is clearly on IOR not beyond that
We are the only one from Asia operating ACC for a long time . No race .
well there is certainly a renewed effort by almost all the major power in the world to build bigger & more powerful AC's which can project state power around the world:
India - currently operating only 1 old AC INS viraat, India will induct 45000 tonnes INS vikramaditya by the end of 2012 with a complement of mig-29k's on it + it is building more than 40k tonnes IAC-1 which will be inducted around 2015/16 + it plans to induct a much bigger (maybe 60k tonnes + nuclear powered + CATOBAR) carrier IAC-2 till 2020.
China - currently having no AC, China is conducting sea trials of Varyag carrier + it plans 2 more AC's which can be greater than 60k tonnes + nuclear powered.
Britain - It is building two AC's of Elizabeth class of which first will be inducted by 2016, it will be having F-35s on it + it is more than 65k tonnes.
France - currently the only navy outside US to operate a nuclear powered carrier it plans another bigger carrier of 75k tonnes + nuclear powered conventional carrier.
Russia - currently operating only one carrier it plans bigger carrier with nuclear power around 2020 timeframe.
US - no doubt the world leader in operating AC's it plans to introduce a new tech called EMALS which will make AC carries more aircrafts + it also plan to build medium weight AC's also.
i think yes there is a race. yes the external agency espionage game is going on.India can't let China to become dominating force in Indian ocean .this is just beginning of the era who ever wakes that will win . yes we can't match with Chinese defence budget but we have to fight till the gap between the two countries becomes uncrossable.
China is looking at US, will soon catch up in GDP. in a not long future, China should have 6 AC at 80K-100K tons each, the AC fighter should better or match f35. each of those fleet is very pricy.
11 years ago, Chinese GDP was $1T, vs US $10T, last year was $7.5T vs $15T, if no big surprise, within next 3 years, they will have same GDP. in next 10 years, China will have around 50% more GDP than US, 6 AC is peanuts of costs. India need to speed up the race or falling too far behind.
For now and the next 5-7 years India has the clear advantage wrt ACCs over China.
The Chinese are playing it smart............build up naval vessels first, so that you can escort the carriers later. I don't know why Indians think that just because they had a carrier there is some sort of a race?
Being capable making every part of the carrier indigenous was our first job.
No doubt For pakistan china always plays smart.
Both countries doing well building ac's which will significantly add to their power projection capabilities. Atleast they can bully smaller and weaker neighbours with these ac's
There is a reason why America has been so persistent with the F-35B. With that aircraft you ll see Japan, Australia, UK all with these LHD/Mini Air craft carriers.
there is no race, these are weapons of peace and both countries want to control their oceans and maintain peace. china these days is using its navy to scare weak countries, be a good boy china
There is no race. China will have 2 nuclear powered AC of more than 100000 tons along with conventional AC that will dwarf india's largest AC. They will have 2/3 times number of Nukes subs compared to india's conventional subs imported from
France.With a population of 1.5 billion and a country 3 times larger than india, technologically and logistically couple of decades
ahead can not be compared to a country such as india. This kind of comparison is just to belittle china as expected from
an article by a indian for self satisfaction.
We just got independence just before 24years from yours,but now we are in this position now,what about your country.....?.Now you are more or less a vassal state of India.
Your own army admitted that they are no match for china. Its not my statement. India is destined to be some sort of middle power under chinese shadow.
india is destined for whatevr it is, but do u have any idea what bangladesh is destined for??
Race result will be :
Year India China
2014 - 2 - 1
2015 - 2 - 1
2016 - 2 - 2
2020 - 2 - 3
2022 - 3 - 4
2025 - 4 - 6
So the race will be evenly matched, but china will have more powerful ACs, and we will have 2 medium and 2 larger ones..
Even with 2-3 years of delay, India will manage 4 ACs by 2025 which is enough to defend IOR..
年份 印度 中国
2014 2 1
2015 2 1
2016 2 2
2020 2 3
2022 3 4
2025 4 6
the cost or larger and advance AC is times higher than small ones. the performance/power is also times. In my opinions, one US 100K ton AC is around 2 Chinese 70K ton ACs, 70K ton AC is roughly equals to 3 of 40k ACs. that metric is based on the same generation of fighters. If one of US AC employs 5G f35 and you dont, then no fight.
one F35 can beat 5+ F16 or Mig31, Chinese J15(su33) has dual engines and more advance than m31. once the J20 or J21 stealthy navy version is on AC, they are more powerful. Chinese dont like AC under 60k, performance wise lose. has no upgrade future.
its again depends on the which fighter they are carrying and number of ships associated with the carrier battle group......
Well why to get so much disperate from now onwards. By 2015-16 india will have its indigenious aircraft career and china there owns. then we can better compare each others capabilities precisely. Now both countries are having AC which are build during Soviet Era not by themselfs. !fact will remain same that America will dominate in Ac by both technological and capability wise.
India should concentrate on nuclear attack submarines and land based fighter/bomber .
We dont need more than 3 AC
this is australias aircraft carrier
When did they send Tiger Wood's vacation home to Australia?
yeh after all he was a marine?? lmaooooo