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台“国防部”近日向“立法院”送交最新版的“2013年中共军力报告书”,宣称未来不排除大陆展开三栖作战直接攻夺台湾。与该报告书一起送交“立法院” 的,还包括台军2014年度预算报告,提出将编列巨额预算向美国采购武器装备。台湾东森新闻评论称,台军期望通过渲染“大陆武力威胁”谋求军备预算顺利过 关的意图“不言而喻”。有岛内分析认为,近年来两岸军力已严重失衡,台“国防部”希望通过渲染解放军对台威胁,为寻求美国援助和提升军备找借口,同时也展现台军强化自身实力的决心,以化解岛内不满。

译者:ngageboy
来源:三泰虎论坛 http://bbs.santaihu.com
原帖:http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?231115-Taiwan-military-China-able-to-invade-by-2020

Taiwan military: China able to invade by 2020

台湾军方:中国(大陆)能够在2020年入侵

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该论坛英文帖是某台湾网友发布的,中文类似报道较多译者就不再转译,只将美国网友的留言翻译过来共大家参考,这里转载一篇来自凤凰网的类似报道以作补脑,该文发表于9月2日——

台“国防部”近日向“立法院”送交最新版的“2013年中共军力报告书”,宣称未来不排除大陆展开三栖作战直接攻夺台湾。与该报告书一起送交“立法院”的,还包括台军2014年度预算报告,提出将编列巨额预算向美国采购武器装备。台湾东森新闻评论称,台军期望通过渲染“大陆武力威胁”谋求军备预算顺利过关的意图“不言而喻”。

据台湾《自由时报》8月31日报道,“国防部”最新提交的“2013年中共军力报告书”称,尽管大陆短期内“挑起台海战事”的可能性低,但两岸军事冲突可能性仍存。目前大陆已具备对台进行军事威慑、封锁、火力打击与夺占外岛的能力,并且规划在2020年前建立起可以大规模的武力攻台的战力;美国国防部在今年5月的报告中,也明确指出大陆正推动建立攻台并有效防止外军介入的能力,显示大陆“以武促统”的思维并未改变,并未放弃对台使用武力的选项。报告宣称,未来大陆可能分别同时采取军事威慑、封锁作战及火力打击方式,通过引发台湾内部恐慌、逼迫台湾屈服求和;更有可能在取得制电磁权、制空权及制海权的情况下,对台实施三栖攻击,以求速战速决,争取在外力介入前攻克台湾。

同时,台“国防部”提交的2014年度预算报告编列3127亿元(新台币,下同),其中有关购建新型军事装备的预算大幅提高,包括编列56亿元预算采购两艘“佩里”级导弹护卫舰以提升海军战略,斥资2.8亿建立“重要指管单位暨雷达站电子防护系统”以防备大陆可能利用电磁脉冲zha弹攻击台湾雷达设施,编列24亿元为“经国”号战斗机进行性能提升,使该战机具备发射“万剑”武器系统的能力,以执行“远距制压作战”和“防空制压作战”任务等。为反制解放军巡航导弹等精准攻击,台军还规划采购65套全球卫星系统(GPS)干扰器,以提升台军重要设施在敌方首波饱和攻击中的存活能力。

有岛内分析认为,近年来两岸军力已严重失衡,台“国防部”希望通过渲染解放军对台威胁,为寻求美国援助和提升军备找借口,同时也展现台军强化自身实力的决心,以化解岛内不满。但有台军方将领私下透露,未来几年台湾的防务会陷入最低点,首先当局财政窘迫导致预算额度下降,接下来是募兵制将吞食大量有限预算,作战训练维持经费不足将导致装备妥善率下降,台军未来发展“实在令人忧心”。(李俊峰)

以下为美国网友留言:

译者:ngageboy
来源:三泰虎论坛 http://bbs.santaihu.com/thread-7581-1-1.html

Seems Taiwan is on it’s own.

似乎台湾是靠自己。

Vinny 121 ND:
Is it really in China’s best interest to invade a small country? 1600 ballistic missiles is more than enough to kill everyone on that island.

入侵一个小“国”是否真的符合中国(大陆)的最佳利益?1600枚弹道导弹足以消灭岛上所有人了。

T-5 Killer回复Vinny 121 ND:
Yes to them Taiwan is not a independent country but a wayward state.

对他们来说是的,台湾不是一个独立的国家,而是一个刚愎自用的省。

Rssmps回复Vinny 121 ND:
This is as much of for internal consumption as for the world. As you stated, they have enough power to “invade” now….no need to wait for 2020.

可以说是世界范围内最大程度的内耗了(译者:说起来都是泪啊)。正如你所说的那样,他们现在就有足够的实力来“入侵”。。。并不需要等到2020年。

C.puffs回复Vinny 121 ND:
If they were nuclear maybe.

如果是核武器的话有可能。

Kalerab回复Vinny 121 ND:
Why would they want to kill everyone on that island instead of subjugating them? Best scenario for China would be quick and overwhelming campaign that would leave economical and residential zones largely undamaged so the economy of Taiwan could quickly recover.

他们为什么要消灭岛上的每一个人,而不是征服他们呢?中国(大陆)最佳方案是快速、压倒性的攻击,使得经济区和住宅区基本未受损,这样台湾的经济(在战后)就能够迅速恢复了。

Laworkerbee回复Rssmps:
Do they have more power than the Allies in WWII? The Taiwanese have had 60 years to make their beaches make the Normandy landings look like a cakewalk.

难道他们比二战中的盟军更有实力?台湾人苦心经营海滩60年,(相较之下)使得诺曼底登陆看起来小菜一碟。

Operationmatador
China loosing African,more africa countries normalising with Taipei,last Burkina Faso,yes,yep,africans disgusted and revolted by chinese enterprises brutality on local workers,yes,example here,Mauritania,where chinese societies are definitely unable to find mauritanians workers,who systematically refuse to work with chinese brutes,who have regular probs with local police,for involvment on drug trafic and *** trade,same in region,

中国正在放松对非洲的束缚,更多非洲国家和台北正常化关系,最近一个是布基纳法索。是的,非洲人反感并反抗中国(大陆)企业对当地工人的暴行。是的,毛里塔尼亚就是例子,中国公司无法招到毛里塔尼亚工人,他们拒绝给这帮中国畜生工作。后者经常贿赂当地警方,在此地区参与违禁药品贩运和***交易(译者:猜估计是sex这个词)。

Rssmps回复Laworkerbe:
beach invasion would be so far down the list of things to do if they were to really invade. C’mon, you got to give PLA/N/AF more credit than that.
on top of that, TW is an island, there’s PLENTY of locations to land without any fortifications.

如果他们真的打算入侵,海滩登陆是最后才会做的事情。

最重要的是,台湾是一个岛,有太多未构筑任何防御工事的地方。

以下是更新部分:

Deridex
What a load of fertilizer…
… Taiwanese companies and individuals can invest in mainland for what, decade now ?
Mutual trade and flow of people is sufficient that in 2020, Taiwan will probably buy half of Chinese coast and the same time will be 3/4 bought by Mainland investors…
In China’s interest is to re-integrate Taiwan WITHOUT violence and economic destruction, and purpose of armed threats – is simply to keep it present course and at steady pace to such inevitable conclusion.
And I hardly can imagine modern China going for war without very pragmatic reason with it’s risks to economy and focusing on so inconsequential “threat” like Taiwan, when they have India on one side, Afghanistan behind the corner, North Korea in decline and less and less stable and Dok-do contest with Japan, ROK…
It would be something like US using Europe based forces against Argentina during Falkland War….

一堆什么乱七八糟的。。。
台湾企业和个人可以在大陆投资任何领域,都有十年了吧?
相互间的贸易和大量的人员流动。使得到2020年,台湾将可以买下中国(大陆)一半的沿海地区,并收买大陆3/4的投资人。
中国感兴趣的是不用暴力、不破坏经济、有针对性地重新整合台湾,简单的说就是保持目前的道路稳步发展,(和平统一)是必然的结果。
而且我可以想象当代中国非常务实地避免战争的原因,是战争对经济和(国家)核心的威胁。还有比较起一边的印度、阿富汗角落里的(恐怖分子)、衰落的朝鲜和不太稳定的与韩、日关系。
这有点像美国用欧洲势力对付阿根廷的弗兰克群岛战争时期一样。

Sapper
Alright.
Time to turn the thread fun.
Invasion Scenario for 2020:
1) China’s two carrier groups conduct “exercise” in the SCS. Acting as screening against USN intervention.
2) First wave of ballistic missiles and cruise missiles targeting air defense and communication nodes.
3) At the same time, infiltrated SF are lasing for J-20s against targets in urban and built up areas to minimise collateral damage.
This ends the surprise part of the invasion
4) Land based Flankers are now contesting the air space above Taiwan.
5) Once partial air dominance is achieved. The heavy bombers moves in to target the remaining air assets in their hardened shelters.
Around now the air space above should be controlled by the Chicoms.
6) Airbourne troops are dropped onto key ports and ahead of of the landing points.
7) Amphib and marines are dropped off on target beaches and ports to be linked up with the airbourne troops.
8) Quick move against major political centers and the Capital.
9) Requisitioned civilian fleet will now continuously pump reinforcements and heavy equipments onto the island.
Have at it!

好吧。
是时候无厘头推演一下了
到2020年,入侵情况如下:
1、 中国的两个航母战斗群在南海进行“演习”。作为防止美海军干预的动作。
2、 第一波弹道导弹和巡航导弹主要攻击防空和通信节点。
3、 同时,渗透的特种部队用激光为J-20照射城市、建筑区中目标,以最大程度减少附带损害。
至此突袭入侵(阶段)结束
4、 路基侧卫(SU-27)开始争夺台湾上空的制空权
5、 一旦实现局部空域的空中优势。重型轰炸机进入攻击有强化庇护设施保护的剩余空军力量。
至此各地制空权被中共控制
6、空降部队伞降到重点港口和前线降落点。
7、两栖和海军陆战队将空降兵夺取的目标海滩和港口连接起来
8、向重大政治中心和“首都”快速进军。
9、征用民用船队陆续输送援兵和重装装备上岛。
还有么!

Laworkerbee回复 rssmps
Ever been to Taiwan? Ever seen the beach fortifications that are now in place? Finally, one just can’t land at any old beach, there are many requirements for a successful beach landing.
And no I won’t give the Chinese more credit than that. Amphibious operations are fraught with risk which is why they are so rare and require such specialized equipment and troops.
Also, who is to say Taiwan isn’t holding onto a nuclear weapon or three from it’s days of nuclear cooperation between Taiwan, Israel, and South Africa – Did Taiwan really do all that work and end up the only one out of the three without a weapon?

去过台湾么?见过现在已经很到位的滩头防御工事么?最后,任何旧海滩上一个人也登陆不上去,成功抢滩登陆是要有许多条件的。
不,那时候我不会给中国人有刷分机会的。两栖登陆作战充满风险,这就是为什么他们很稀少,还需要专门的装备和成立海军陆战队了。
另外,谁说台湾不能与以色列、南非三方之间的核合作之中制造出核武器呢?台湾真的完成了所有工作,并且是三个中唯一没有制造成武器的吗?

TheKiwi
I’ll add this. Supposedly one of the reasons why the US invaded Okinawa and not Taiwan during WW2 was that Taiwan’s coasts were considered too difficult for amphibious operations. Even though you now have airborne options, I doubt they’d do too well on their own – they’d need heavy unit backup and quick.

我要补充一点。为什么美国二战期间入侵冲绳和台湾的原因之一,据说是因为台湾的海岸被认为难以进行两栖作战。即使你现在有空降这个选择,我怀疑空降靠自己能干得有多好啊,他们需要重型单位快速支援。

Johnhan278回复TheKiwi
They did not have the resources or the logic to take both Taiwan and the Philippines
and since MacArthur wanted the Philippines that was that , It was either one or the one
Also The ground force required to take Taiwan Would not be ready by March 1945.

他们没有足够的资源或逻辑同时拿下台湾和菲律宾。
那时麦克阿瑟希望菲律宾也像那样,而不是一个一个拿。
同样,1945年3月陆军有需要去夺取台湾,但还没有准备妥当。

Unionjack
Well if China wants to invade Taiwan i do hope it is prepared for a hefty cost. Even if the ROC’s allies do not spring to its aid, on a qualitative level i would place the ROC ahead of China in terms of equipment and most likely training to boot (generally speaking of course, even more so considering what China could feasibly ever invade with). That said i would be concerned about their morale in all this as for all their equipment and training, it ain’t going to be much use if their troops lose their nerve when it comes to it. In that particular sense i would imagine the PLA in all its forms is more ‘professional’.

那么如果中国(大陆)想入侵台湾,我希望它准备好付出高昂的代价了。即使台当局的盟友们不实质上出面援助,我也认为台当局在装备方面特别是训练方面优于中国(大陆)(当然一般来说,也正是这样的考虑才使中国大陆以前没有切实地想过去入侵)。那时我会关心一下他们仅有的作为装备和训练的士气。当中国大陆进入了台湾,他们的部队就会失去勇气,于是他们就会变得很没用了。

Shermbodius
The German’s maintained a U-boat base on Taiwan from as early as 1940. After their moon base was evacuated they settled there. The third Reich never recovered from the niu rou mian, a delicacy in Taiwan. The Chinese are well aware of this and will never attack the island nation by sea invasion. They have alternative plans to attack at night using dirigibles with H.A.L.O. commandos. This was leaked by Wiki Leaks along with the recipe for the niu rou mian.
Amazing how this fact wasn’t brought up earlier in this thread?

早在1940年,德国人就在台湾维护着一个U型潜艇的基地。后来他们的月球基地被端掉后就定居那里了。第三帝国一直没有从牛肉面(中文拼音)里恢复过来,它是一种台湾美食。中国人清楚地认识到这一点,绝对不会从海洋方面入侵这个“岛国”。他们的替代计划是在夜间用飞艇装“光晕”特战队进行攻击。这是维基解密透露的制作牛肉面(中文拼音)的配方。

惊奇的是这一事实怎么不早点被贴到这儿呢?

Comet回复Shermbodius
I want proof of this heresy.

我要这异端邪说的证明。

Comet回复Shermbodius
chicoms might have a problem with this seeing as it uses real beef

对中共来说可能有问题,它看起来用的是真牛肉啊

Unionjack回复Shermbodius
You forgot the massive V3 installations that were left over from the Reich’s occupation

你忘了在帝国占领时,大量V3导弹被安装并遗留了下来。

Eagle9294
One day Taiwan will peacefully submit itself to China. They will be happy to do so when that time comes.

总有一天台湾会和平地将自己交给中国。那时候他们会很乐意这么做。

Laworkerbee回复Eagle9294
Fixed for you…

为您解决。。。

Eagle9294回复Laworkerbee
In 50 years China will be the most powerful country in the world militarily and economically

50年后,中国将在世界军事和经济上成为最强大的国家。

Laworkerbee回复Eagle9294
And people thought the Berlin Wall would never fall. Regimes that lack legitimacy tend not to last too long and the PRC’s Communist government is far from Communist and even farther away from the working classes.
The clock is ticking as far as I’m concerned.

人们以为柏林墙永远不会倒下。缺乏合法性的政权往往不会持续太长时间。。。
就我而言,时间会证明。

Sootan回复Laworkerbee
This is Asia. The government will be fine as long as they can provide bread and circus to the masses. Just look at Singapore, one of the most restrictive place among the 1st world but the citizens don’t mind.

这里是亚洲。政 府会只要尽可能长期地提供面包并“马戏团群众”,就会好得很。只要看看新加坡,一个世界上最严格的地方,但是市民并不介意。

Rssmps回复Laworkerbee
How about you? google earth doesn’t count
Why do you think invasion will be Normandy style? that’s so 1940s….
they can do more cost effective things.

那你呢?(用)谷歌地球不算哦。
为什么你想到入侵就会想到诺曼底风格?那是1940年代好哇。
他们可以做更比较划算的事情。

T.Cruiser回复Eagle9294
Yep, there’s going to be major social discontent and allot of angry Chinese over the coming decades. The CPC is remarkably skilful in controlling people on a mass scale, but eventually even their limits will be reached.

没错,未来几十年愤怒的中国人将有重大的社会不满及分配问题。中 共非常善于大规模的控制人民,但最终将达到它的极限。

Comet回复T.Cruiser
LEt’s just hope that the backlash won’t be too severe on us. .

我们只希望那时的反弹不会对我们影响太严重。

Stone30

China has a population of 1.4 billion ppl, i think they don’t need more issue with Taiwan. It will cost the to much $$$.
2020 will come and go then a new report will come and say china will invade in 2030. to think about it i have seen 3 reports like this one for 2015, one for 2010 and one for 2025.
lol, china to smart to invade Taiwan.

中国有14亿人口,我认为他们不想要更多来自台湾的问题。这将花费太多的金钱了。
2020年来了又过了,然后有一个新的报告会说,中国将在2030年入侵。想想至少有三个类似的报告了,一个是说2015年,一个说2010年还有一个说2025年。
大笑,中国会精明地入侵台湾。

Ayanami tard
in order to invade taiwan,without hoping for the 2nd arty to crap taiwan from orbit, the PLA need to have an overwhelming expeditionary forces. and to start, do they have anything that enable them do launch massive amphibious assault, let say, like normandy?
do they have anything like AAV? do they have sufficient landing craft? last i check just received their first LCAC months ago. and how many LPDs that they have? how about air cavalry? can they even match US air cavalry capability in vietnam wars? (and that was like 40 years ago). having expeditionary capability is beyond the bells and whistles they’ve been buying all these years. having digital camo, hi-speed rifles and molle-styled vests are all fly but that doesn’t mean they can perform effectively

为了入侵台湾,希望为第二炮兵打击台湾时不要偏离轨道。解放军需要压倒性的远征军。那么开始吧,他们有大规模的两栖攻击舰吗?比如说,想诺曼底一样?
他们有AAV吗?他们有足够的登陆艇吗?上次我才看到他们一个月前刚刚接受了第一艘气垫船。他们有多少两栖船坞登陆舰?那直升机呢?他们甚至能和美国越战时候的直升机能力相比吗?(就像40年前)。远征能力超出了他们这几年购买那些花里胡哨的装备。数码迷彩、高速步枪、MOLLE战术背心虽然都有了但不代表他们就能用得顺溜。

HKDan回复Ayanami tard
I think this is the gist of why 2020 is still IMHO a very optimistic scenario. Sure, 2nd Arty and the PLAAF have done a lot of work towards being able to give Taiwan a very solid pasting, but that in itself will not be adequate to win if the will to contest an invasion remains. For a conquest to work, the PLA has got to land and sustain an invasion force that can meet the Taiwanese Army on its home turf and overcome it.
PLA SF and Airborne forces could cause a lot of damage, but unless they can get a significant force of modern armor onto Taiwan(and there isn’t any sign that capability will arrive in the next 5-6 years), those old M60A3s and M109 self propelled howitzers the Taiwanese have will win the day. China can today and will be even more capable in 2020 of bombing the crap out of Taiwan, it probably wouldn’t be too hard for them to render the ROCAF and ROCN combat ineffective in short order, but thats not the same thing as conducting a successful invasion. They have to land a force that can meet and beat a 3 Corps Army with armor and arty on its home turf. Its a tall order. As of right now, the tea leaves don’t appear to signal that China is building the force to do that anytime soon.

我想这就是重点,为什么2020年恕我直言会有一个非常乐观的情况。当然,第二炮兵和解放军空军已经做了很多工作,争取能够给给予台湾非常坚实的打击,但仍然有疑问仅靠他们就以赢得入侵。对于征服的任务,由解放军陆军登陆并维持入侵力量,能在当地对抗上台湾陆军并击败他们。

解放军特种部队和空降部队可能会受到很大的损失,除非他们可以得到重要的现代装甲力量投入到台湾(还没任何征兆能在未来5-6年实现),现在的话台湾靠那些老旧的M60A3s和和M109自行榴弹炮还有赢的可能。中国目前就可以炸废台湾,更不用说2020年了。。。。

Relentlessego
To me Taiwanese people are Chinese. Tawian’s 240K soldiers are not stopping the PLA forces.. Just a matter of when.

对我来说台湾人就是中国人。台湾的24万军队并不能阻止解放军。。那只是时间问题。

IconOfevi回复Relentlessego
On all three parts of this…don’t be so sure

话里的那三个部分,并都不那么肯定

Jokuvaan
How long would Taiwan hold if under sea and air blockade, thats the good question

台湾能在海上和空中封锁中坚持多久,问得好。

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    • 这破贴居然又更新了,都懒得回复。台湾就是一颗中子弹空爆的事,折腾这些年主要还是为了收心,要不然谁有功夫总陪他玩?

  1. 台湾人真的是没救了,不管大陆对它们做了什么,都换不来一颗心,它们只会在看到美国的屁股的时候感到开心 😈

    • 綠營都說中國不需要用武力奪取台灣,這裡還有帖子,自己看。
      不用管台灣人有沒有救,怎麼達成政治盤算才重要。

      • 时间在咱们这边。。。耗着即可。。。台湾问题的解决在于美国何时倒下。。。而且台湾拿回来后的问题比如何拿要复杂的多。。。所以我不急。。。 :mrgreen:

    • 换来一颗心干嘛?

      香港仔不还是叫唤的凶,你看看最近吵吵的。

      放纵香港就是给台湾看的,等台湾收回来,连同香港,一并给共产了,一国两制带来的麻烦远比利益多。

      • 大陆要台湾,只是希望多个出海口,没有了台湾,中国真的是被四周包围了。我支持一国两制,如果采用同样的社会制度,阻力太大了,不现实。我支持政府给台湾更多的经济实惠,也支持台湾自主选择政治制度,前提是在一中的基础上。只要台湾不选择独立建国,大陆是不会对台湾动武的,大陆百姓也不会支持对同胞兄弟动武。

  2. 呵呵,别的国家投资非洲,就是做生意,我们做投资就是二次殖民。别的国家遭到当地人反抗,就是非洲人不开化,中国遭到反抗,就是非洲人明智。看看这些家伙,引用很久以前一个华侨在外国论坛上说的话“When we were silent,you say we are unfree slave.
    Now,we are silent no more, you say we are brainwashed racists.
    interesting?Fuckers.”
    大概意思是“当我们沉默时,你们说我们是不自由的奴隶。
    现在,我们不再沉默时,你们说我们是被洗脑的种族主义者。
    有意思吗?白痴们。”
    现在看来,全世界被洗脑的最严重的、种族主义最大的,不就是美国白人么

  3. 中国攻击台湾?除非他要台独,而且根本很难,在经济上他已经非常依靠中国(大陆),台湾服贸协议也被台湾称为经济强心针,在上世纪7、80年代,美国估计台湾在2023年将达到美国人均收入,而韩国是2032年,可现在呢?亚洲四小龙最差的就是台湾,政府预算严重不足,每年只能投入3亿(1.5亿人民币)发展文化产业,海外收益甚至只有泰国的1/10,更别说韩国了,而中国每年的投入是200亿人民币,台湾政府部门1/3的雇员属于劳务公司派遣工,连大学讲师、教授都存在派遣工问题,而民众对派遣工怀有同情,对政府多次表示不满,20年时间台湾工资都没有明显上涨,除了台积电、统一和几个像样的公司,只剩一些上不了台面的,原因是台湾在蒋经国大力发展经济时期之后,陷入了民主政治混乱期,整天在立法院吵嘴,甚至斗殴,现在虽然要好得多,但前一阵,台立法院还又上演只报到,不干活,立委在下面玩手机,打游戏的戏码,如此政争,情何以堪,李敖说,买武器挡得住中国(大陆)吗?不如改善民生,发展经济,只要能谈,就打不起来,而郎咸平说,他当过兵(台湾是全民兵役制),根本军队一点斗志都没有,如果要打,台湾一推就平,也是前一阵,台湾进行部队装备检查,部队居然把多余的军事装备用民用卡车运出军营,放在一军官家的院里(先前部队有把军事装备埋入地下的,由于动静太大,被发现了),还是发现了,军事装备用民用卡车运出军营,门口站岗的是宪兵啊,不是部队士兵,怎么连民用卡车都能开进军营,而且还把军用装备给拖出来!最后有人爆料,军中的许多储备物资已经过期,一检查,居然还 有过期10年以上的,简直太高了。 :mrgreen:

    • 他们在立法院打架,头破血流的,还打死人了,但这都是合法的在他们那里,原来民主都民主到这种程度了。真好对我们来说。

    • 比起白人企业,中国企业大部分对黑人已经不错了,白人破坏的环境还少吗,让黑人做奴才,破坏环境,让黑人做试药白老鼠,这些白人才是高手,在加上外国媒体是主流媒体,整天报中国黑,却不报他们白人更恶心的行为,这种常识你应该晓得,何况商人不讲究利益还叫商人吗,难道白人做这种事情就是天经地义,部分中国人做这种事情,就是体制问题和道德问题吗,那他妈还谈什么生意,干脆闭关锁国算了

  4. 台湾统一后自然会欣欣向荣的,行不行还是得看这一代的竞争力,如果处于同一个起跑线,没人可超越中国,

  5. 西方人已被CNN、BBC快弄成傻子了,给张地图他们可能都找不到台湾在哪里。我们不必在意更不必生气,中国的成就不是他们说出来的。

  6. 唉,台湾人怎么就不明白,不做死就不会死。不闹台独大陆是不会打的。至于统不统可以慢慢谈。

  7. 湾湾其实蛮会骂的,只要一看台湾的 😛 娱乐节目都会发现,超会骂,似乎是一种骂文化。中国如果打台湾,估计会被骂死。呵呵……光靠嘴就能骂死大陆人拉! :mrgreen:

  8. 每一艘新航母的服役都会宣告时那一时刻即将来临!咱们可不害怕擦枪走火,那样中国制造6个航母群的理由会更加充分

    • 幼稚。。。星球大战的目的是忽悠垮苏联。。。就是真下水6个战斗群也是忽悠美帝乱花钱。。。而不是对决。。。 :mrgreen:

  9. 中国台湾岛民不要三心二意,必须明白一点,即强权的大陆政府不容许台湾独立,台海问题是零和博弈。共产党自从文革以后就成长为一个极端务实的政党,只要认定了一件事,就会不惜代价去做到,不管需要多少时间,多少精力。大陆台湾的经济联系不断增强与大陆不断升级军事装备,增强夺岛能力并不矛盾,软的不行就来硬的。所以在中国稳步崛起,美国缓慢衰落的这样的大背景下岛内中间党以及绿民的观望和抵制最终来看都是徒劳的。

    • (中国台湾岛民不要三心二意)。。。。这段真不归咱们管。。。说了也没用。。。后面的一般靠谱。。。 :mrgreen:

  10. 有什么好打的,台湾又没本事独立,而且内耗那么严重,咱们一心发展自己好就好了。西部还是很穷的啊

  11. This is Asia. The government will be fine as long as they can provide bread and circus to the masses.
    这里是亚洲。政 府会只要尽可能长期地提供面包并“马戏团群众”,就会好得很

    这是在说欧美的福利制度和娱乐媒体么… 😛

  12. 其实统一很简单,不想当中国人的湾湾可以自由移民到它们的美爹、日妈那里去,台湾属于中国一直是事实,企图负隅顽抗的会被彻底消灭,精神上肉体上都会被消灭。

  13. 解放军打不打台湾不是大陆决定的,而是台湾决定的,如果台湾没有诚意和平统一,那么武力统一也就是唯一的选择了!

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