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巴基斯坦防卫论坛:有关中越战争的讨论

2012-07-06 22:17 52个评论 字号:

有国人在巴基斯坦防卫论坛发了一些有关中越战争的图片,引来了一些越南网民,双方展开辩论。对越自卫反击战,又称中越战争,狭义上是指1979年2月17日-1979年3月16日中国、越南两国在中越边境爆发的战争。广义的中越战争,是指从1979年到1989年近十年间的中越边境军事冲突。其中包括1979年中越边境中方自卫还击作战,1981年中国收复扣林山、法卡山之战,1984年中国收复老山、者阴山、八里河东山之战,中国对越拔点作战、两山轮战、对越坚守防御作战等。

原贴标题:Picture of Sino-vietnam war 1979
原贴链接:http://www.defence.pk/forums/chinese-defence/119590-picture-sino-vietnam-war-1979-a.html

对越自卫反击战:我军大口径火炮猛击越南纵深

我军大口径火炮猛击越南纵深

以下是巴基斯坦防卫论坛网民的评论:

Viva_Viet(越南)
WHen we counterattack, 300 tanks were destroyed in 1 week

Your soldiers still the same as 1984, bad tactic, so, no use to have new riffle, coz you still can not detect how our special forces could destroy your “Xin Bolin” radar with stricly guard

pls tell me how to post picture from my laptop

当我们反击时,一周就摧毁了300辆坦克。

你们士兵仍然跟1984年一样,糟糕的战术,使用新的步枪没有用,因为你们仍然无法侦测我们的特种部队是如何摧毁你们严密保护下的辛柏林雷达。

请告诉我,如何把图片从我的笔记本传上来。

peaceful(香港、台湾)
what are you smoking?

The radar station incident is regrettable, but the lose is completely negligible in such a war — we lost a radar station, you lost 3000 troops in a single morning with ZERO Chinese causality.

remember the day: it was 12/July/1984, 3000+ of Vietnamese troops got killed by Chinese in a single morning at the cost of zero Chinese causality

你磕什么药了?

雷达站事件是令人遗憾的,但是这样的损失在这场战争中完全可以忽略不计。我们失去了一个雷达站,你们在一个早上就失去了3000人部队,而中国人零伤亡。

记住这一天:1984年7月12日,中国人在没有伤亡一人的情况下击毙了3000多名越南士兵。

peaceful(香港、台湾)
oh, stop using your Chinese made laptop please. it is bloody made in China.
also check your network router, mobile phone, your mouse, don’t use them!

guess what? don’t use any 3G mobile phone even if it is available in your country: 10-15% of patents are owned by Chinese, this means you must pay loyalty to Chinese companies as a end user.

also avoid any Chinese made medicine, cloth, electronics, machines. ask your army to stop using Chinese weapons.

哦,请你停止使用中国制造的笔记本。它可是血腥的中国制造。此外,检查下你的路由器、手机、鼠标,别使用这些东西!

猜怎么了?你们国家就是有提供,也别使用3G手机,10%至15%的专利由中国持有,这意味着作为终端消费者,你必须向中国公司支付专利费。

还要避开中国生产的药、衣服、电子产品、机器。叫你们军队停止使用中国武器。

Rechoice(越南)
Vietnam my homeland was got wet from blood of aggressors. Shame to China.

我的祖国越南被侵略者的血浸湿了。中国太无耻了。

Viva_Viet(越南)
1. your AF was useless, coz your pilots had no experience, when we shoot down lots of US ones, you can not drop boom to Ha Noi, Hai Phong

2. You want to capture Ha Noi, like we kick Rougue Khmer out of Phnom Penh, but it’s impossible, coz your tactic was too bad, lost 300 tanks in 1 week

So, all you could do was retreat to avoid mass casualty when our regular forces were on the way to the border

1、你们空军一点用都没有,因为你们的飞行员没实战经验。我们击落了大量美国飞机,你们却无法轰炸河内和海防。

2、你们想夺取河内,就如同我们把红色高棉从金边踢走一样,但这是不可能的,因为你们的战术太糟糕了,一周就失去了300辆坦克。

所以,当我们的正规军队在前往边界的路上时,你们所能做的只是撤退,以避免大规模伤亡。

gpit(美国)
You alreay had 100,000 regular army on the boarder plus enormous amount of militia – Western reports. Do you mean the Chinese wiped out all your regular along the boarder and you had to withdrew your army from Cambodia?

BTW, the war lasted for 10 years on the boarder, not just a month.

It is the wisedom of China not to use airforce…

西方报告显示:你们在边界已经有10万正规军,还有大量的民兵。你的意思是说中国人消灭了你们边界上的所有正规军,所以你们不得不从柬埔寨调军队?

顺便说下,这场边界战争历时10年,不是一个月。

中国没有动用空军是明智的…

Viva_Viet(越南)
We had 5 conflict,our population was only 40 million with many men could not join army, so it would be Too much to sent 100,000 regular men to the border when CHina opend war in 1979.

我们要同时应对5场冲突,我们的人口只有4000万,许多人无法参军,所以当中国1979年开战时,哪有10万那么多的正规军派往边界。

??o B?ch Long V?

Compare with 300.000 Chinese PLA soldiers?

同中国人的30万军队比起来呢?

peaceful(香港、台湾)
When your fancy regular arrived, in the morning of 12/July/1984, 3000+ of them got killed in a single battle with zero Chinese death.

you already admitted it. don’t forget that!

btw, are you still posting using China made laptop and network router/modems? guess what? you can replace your router/modem/computer at home, but you can’t change the equipments used by your telecommunication companies, the vast majority of them are Chinese made Chinese brand.

当你们奇特的正规军到了后,单单1984年7月12日就在一场战斗中被杀了3000多人,而中国人是零死亡。

别忘记了,你们可已经承认了的!

顺便说下,你仍然在使用中国制造的笔记本、路由器和调制解调器?你猜怎么了?你可以更换家里使用的路由器、调制解调器和计算机,但是你无法更换你们电讯公司使用的设备。这些设备大部分是中国制造的,是中国品牌。

Viva_Viet(越南)
Oh, that the Samsung one, China just assembled it, to reduce the labor cost, nothing proud for China on the Laptop, China invent Nothing on it

哦,我的是三星笔记本,中国只是组装而已,仅仅是为了减少劳动力成本,中国在笔记本上没有什么好自豪的,在这方面没有任何发明。

Viva_Viet(越南)
in 1984, we tired already,Soviet also tired, could not help us much, our men still had to fight with Polpot remnant had Thai-US.support. Laos border also had trouble with Thai, so we had to sent men to protect Laos also.

You kill some basic training militia, but you Failed in mission, you could not break our defence line, you could not force VN retreat from Cambodia, even you still got US.support, you totaly Lost the war, only won in some useless killing

在1984年,我们已经疲惫了,苏联也疲惫了,无法再大力帮助我们。我们的人仍然要同美国和泰国支持的残余波尔布特势力作战。在老挝边界上与泰国出现麻烦,所我们也不得不派一些人去保护老挝。

你们杀了一些只经过基本训练的民兵,但是任务却失败了,你们无法冲破我们的防线,无法迫使越南从柬埔寨撤兵。你们甚至有美国的支持,却完全输掉了战争,只是在一些无用处的屠杀中获胜。

peaceful(香港、台湾)
tired, so 3000 men and women got killed in a single morning with zero Chinese casualty?

hey, tell us something, since your parents are with the army, how they handle this stupid lose? 3000 Vietnamese troops got killed in a single morning with 0 Chinese casualty you guys made a world record!

oh, yet, they were all tired

疲倦了,所以3000名男男女女在一个早上被杀,而中国人零伤亡?

嘿,给我们透露一些吧,你们的父母可是与军队携手作战,他们是如何看待这场愚蠢失败的?3000名士兵在一个早上被杀,而中国人零伤亡。你们家伙创造了一个世界记录!

哦,是的,他们都疲惫了。

Rechoice(越南)
Chinese soldiers invaded in Vietnam, they are aggressors.

中国士兵侵略越南,他们是侵略者。

teddy(中国香港)
For gods sake! Vietnamese can only fight in their own country or inside jungle, outside of this, they are dead meat.

看在上帝的面上!越南人只有在国内或者丛林中才能打仗。离开这些地方,他们就死定了。(译文来源:三泰虎)

Viva_Viet(越南)
US. B-52 were destroyed in Utapao air base even having strictly guard also, NanHai base will have a same result, coz you still can not find out how we could destroy your Radar. It will not a hard mission for our special force.

乌塔保空军基地的美国B-52在严密保护下还是被摧毁了。南海基地也落得同样下场,因为你们仍然搞不明白我们是如何摧毁你们雷达的。对于我们的特种部队来说,这并不是艰难的任务。

teddy(中国香港)
I say it again:For gods sake! Vietnamese can only fight in their own country or inside jungle, outside of this, they are dead meat.
remember the sea battle with china?

我再说一遍:看在上帝的份上!越南人只有在国内或者丛林中才能打仗。离开这些地方,他们就死定了。

还记得中越海战吗?

Viva_Viet(越南)
Oh, so keep belive in your propaganda, that why you lost the Rougue Khmer so fast, we could defeat Rougue Khmer and took Phnom Penh in 1 month, it so funny that we can not operate a full scale battle

May be bcz of CHina told Khmer that:”VN can not kick you out coz they only can fight in jungle”, they trusted you and got badly defeated

哦,你就尽管相信你们的宣传吧。为什么你们如此快就失去了红色高棉,为什么我们在一个月内就击败了红色高棉并夺取了金边。你说我们无法打全面战争,真是有趣。

也许是因为中国告诉红色高棉:”越南踢不走你,因为他们只会在丛林打仗“。他们信了你们的话,然后惨败。

teddy(中国香港)
They were in turmoil, can’t you be fair? You think defeating a turmoil country is glorious?

他们一片混乱,你就不能公平些吗?你认为打败一个动荡国家是光荣的吗?

Viva_Viet(越南)
Oh, you didn’t know how strong they were ?? they got support from US-China-Thai, and Oki, let see Mr.Thai also, same result when fighting with VN when trying to help bad Khmer guys, but they got full suppot fom US. so we just warn them only

哦,你不知道他们可强大了?他们得到美国、中国和泰国的支持。让我们也看看泰国,他们试图帮助红色高棉,由于他们得到美国的全力支持,所以我们只是警告了他们。

teddy(中国香港)
I learn this from NG channel. not from chinese media, they say they don’t have a stardand army. Yousay they are strong, I dunno where did you learn this.

我不是从中国媒体,而是从NG频道获知他们不强大的,他们说红色高棉没有正规军,你却说他们强大。我不知道你是从哪里获知的。

Viva_Viet(越南)

Bro, Rougue Khmer were well train by VN guerilar tactic, it’s very hard to defeat them, US could not clear them before 1975 also, and when fighting with VN, they got lots of support from China, their uniform even better than VN, they just did not use the military rank on uniform, that all.

红色高棉得到越南游记战术的很好训练,非常难以击败。美国在1975年前也无法消灭他们。当同越南交战时,他们得到中国的大量支持。他们的制服甚至比越南好,只是在制服上没有军衔,就这样。

Viva_Viet(越南)
It’s Ok bro, nothing Shock,we defeated CHina by weapon made in CHina also,

btw: we don’t hate CHina company, Chinese investor, we only hate you Evil govt. they even can kill Chinese like cockroach in … Square

Mr.Teddy thought we can not lauch a full scale battle I just prove to him that : he was wrong , we can fight in any kind of battle and take many small coutries’s capital in one month

没问题,兄弟。没有什么好吃惊的。我们用中国武器击败了中国。

顺便说下:我不讨厌中国公司,不讨厌中国投资者,只是讨厌你们邪恶的政府,他们甚至会像杀蟑螂一样杀中国人。

Teddy先生认为我们无法打一场大规模战争,我只是向他证明:他错了,我们可以打任何规模的战争,可以在一个月内占领许多小国的首都。

??o B?ch Long V?(越南)
Killing children is rare anyway. But there were some barbarian actions from invaders

Translate: Tong Chup massacre in Hung Dao village, Hoa An district, Chinese invaders used hammers and bamboo stakes to kill 43 women and children before throw the bodies to the well-water

不管怎么说,杀小孩是罕见的。但是侵略者会做一些这样的野蛮行动。

在某地区某个村的某个ΧΧ中,中国入侵者用锤子和竹桩杀死了43名妇女和小孩,然后把尸体投入井里。

teddy(中国香港)
The chinese is really bad equiped, but this war is happened just after the culture revolution.

中国人的装备实在太差了,不过这场战争是在文革刚结束后发生的。

Viva_Viet(越南)
But that time, we had to fought with many enemoes.
1. S.VN remnant
2. Rougue Khmer with fully equipped from CHina,
3, funny Thai Royal soldiers,
4, protect Laos from Thai,
5.. war with CHina

Our population only have 40 millions , lots of disabled men and prison from fomer S.VN regime. CHina open war after having US.support was the correct time, coz we’re so tired with many wars still continue. But your tactic was to bad, so, we won in all 5 conflicts

但是我们当时不得不同许多敌人作战。

1、南越残余势力

2、中国全面武装的红色高棉

3、滑稽的泰国皇家士兵

4、保护老挝免于被泰国攻击

5、同中国作战

我们的人口只有4000万,还有许多是来自南越政权的残疾人和犯人。在得到美国支持后,中国在正确时机开战。因为我们打了许多战争,这些战争还在继续,我们太疲惫了。但是你们的战术太糟糕了,所以我们在5场冲突中都赢了。

teddy(中国香港)
Yeah! The mother russia is behind you. And do you know why thailand have to stand against you?
Because you are playing the imperialism in indo-china peninsula under soviet support, it is a well know fact.

耶!俄罗斯妈妈在后面支持你。你们知道为什么泰国要反对你们吗?

因为你们凭着苏联的支持在中南半岛搞帝国主义,这可是众所周知的事实。

Viva_Viet(越南)

mother russia was so tired also bcz of the war with Afghanistan, they could not support us much in 1984, that why, you opend war one more time, and kill many VN men. Correct time to lauch a war aslo, good advance with many VN soldier, militia were killed, but still could not break our defence line and lost a 10 million Radar in supprise raid .

Thais are just funny guys, they should not help Bad Khmer, we hope they know our power now and let us live in peace, Thai have US. support, we won make trouble with them .

俄罗斯因为阿富汗战争而倍感疲惫,他们在1984年无法大力支持我们。这就是为什么你们会再次开战,并杀死许多越南人。此外,开战时间也选对了。在杀了许多越南士兵和民兵后向前突进,但是仍然无法突破我们的防线,并在一次突袭中损失了一个价值1000万的雷达。

泰国人是一群滑稽的家伙,他们不应该帮助红色高棉,我们希望他们现在了解了我们的实力。让我们和平生活。泰国有美国的支持…

Way to go(中国香港)
Yes. But Vietnam had many advance (US) weapons.

是的,但是越南有许多美国的先进武器。(文章来源:三泰虎)

??o B?ch Long V?(越南)
Yes, but not for this war. US weapons were mainly used in the war against Pol Pot. A huge number of Vietnamese soldiers are militias with Mosin Nagrant/SKS/PPsH-41/K-50M ….

是的,但是这些武器并没有用在中越战争中。美国武器主要用在针对波尔布特的战争。许多越南士兵是配备半自动步枪、PPsH-41冲锋枪、K-50M冲锋枪等武器的民兵…

gpit(美国)
You should penetrate the superficial phenomena of x number of tones bombs and grasp the essence of the war: USA lost the war because Soviet and China were behind Vietnam.

Without big players behind, small countries can easily be succumbed by even less number of bombs + ground invasion. A typical example is Iraq. Afghanistan is another.

投了多少炸弹不重要,你应该透过这些表面现象,抓住战争的本质:美国输掉这场战争的原因是苏联和中国在背后支持越南。

没有背后的巨头,就是不用那么多炸弹和地面入侵,小国就很容易屈服。典型的例子是伊拉克。阿富汗是另外一个例子。

Night_Raven(印度)
Yes , among other factors.

I was explaining to Peaceful that bombing campaigns alone cannot defeat a nation.

In both Gulf wars in Iraq , you had air campaigns followed by a ground offensive.

Also in Afghanisthan, the bombings were followed by the ground offensive by Northern Alliance.

Also , comparing Iraq , Afghanisthan to Vietnam is not recommended here as the type of terrain , the type of warfare , the technology used were vastly different in both cases.

我已经向Peaceful解释了,即仅凭空中行动无法击败一个国家。

在海湾战争中,你们先空中轰炸,随后发起地面攻击。

在阿富汗,随着轰炸而来的也是地面进攻。

此外,把伊拉克、阿富汗同越南比较并不可取,因为两者的地形、战争类型和使用的技术相当不同。

Viva_Viet(越南)
Soviet and China were behind N.Korea also, CHina even sent millions men to help N.Korea, but US still keep half of Korea.

US. also got supported from Nato-Australia-Korea-Japan-Thailand, you’re not alone bro

Of course Soviet and China help were great, but it was not enough to kick US. out.Just because we shot down so many B-52 in 1972, so, you have to retreat coz you infantry can not call air strike when facing our men any more.

苏联和美国也在背后支持朝鲜战争。中国甚至派出了数百万人帮助朝鲜,但是美国仍然保住了韩国。

美国也得到了北约、澳大利亚、韩国、日本和泰国的支持,你们也不孤独啊,兄弟。

当然,苏联和中国的帮助是伟大的,但不足以把美国踢出去。因为我们在1972年击落了非常多B-52轰炸机。你们不得不撤退,因为你们的步兵在碰到我们的人后无法再呼叫空中袭击了。

Nowaday(越南)
War is cruelty. Do not show pictures anymore. let’s the past hurt lie dormant.

You are here to argue who did win the war?? and show pictures of dead soldiers. To attack each other??? It is useless. Think of the soldiers who laid down

战争是残酷的。别再发图片了。让过去的伤害蛰伏下去吧。

你是来争辩谁赢得了这场战争吗,是来发阵亡士兵的图片?是为了互相攻击?没有用的。为倒下的士兵想想吧。

Viva_Viet(越南)
you wanna know the True history, so , I tell you the Trust, that all, China could not force us to pull back from Cambodia, could not break our denfece line, lost the 10 million dollar Radar..etc..

你想要了解真实的历史。所以我告诉你,中国无法迫使我们从柬埔寨撤兵,无法突破我们的防线,丢失了价值1000万美元的雷达等…

Cambodia Spirit(柬埔寨)
How about in Vietnam when people masturbating themselves everyday on the dead Chinese soldiers pictures, and also the pictures of the victims of the “Rape of Nanking” incident, what God damn Viet talk about Chinese on these pics!? Some say “viva” to Japan for doing that such thing to Chinese!!!!

In Vietnam this time, Viet dream to become a second Japan not in economy but just like the Jap during WWII, which mean they dream to have a power so they can kill Chinese like the Jap did in the past!!!

How animal Viet is!!!! Nothing to deny, that’s the fact!!!!

越南人每天对着中国士兵尸体的照片手淫,还对着”南京大屠杀“受害者的照片手淫。该死的越南人讨论这些照片!有些人为日本人杀中国人而欢呼!

越南梦想成为第二个日本,不是经济上的,而是像日本在二战时所做的那样。这就意味着他们梦想拥有这样一个实力,即可以像日本人过去那样杀中国人!

越南多么禽兽啊!没有什么好否认的。这是事实!

Viva_Viet(越南)
Bro, calm down, you’re wrong. all CHinese here know we don’t hate any CHinese, we wanna have a good relationship with CHina , if you have friend in VN, you can see he still have warm wellcome from VNese. We only don’t like your Govt’s plan, keep violating our EEZ, we oppose it, that all.

don’t try to bend the trust, as a citizen of Big country, don’t make people look down on you.

兄弟,冷静,你错了。这里的所有中国人都知道我们不讨厌中国人,我们想与中国建立友好关系。如果你在越南有朋友,你会发现仍然能得到越南人的热情欢迎。我们只是不喜欢你们的政府计划,老是侵犯我们的专属经济区。我们表示反对,就这样。

作为一名大国公民,不要让别人看不起你。

teddy(中国香港)

BS! you want to have a good relationship with china is just because you are fear of china, you don’t want to against with china, you are too close to us. there is no future for you guys if you stand against china.

你们想要同中国建立友好关系,原因是你们害怕中国,不想同中国对抗,你们太靠近我们了。你们这些家伙对抗中国没有未来。

Nowaday(越南)

Of course Vietnam always respects the China. However, there is no word “fear”

当然,越南一直都尊敬中国。然而,没有”害怕“这个词。

Nowaday(越南)
Because the Chinese always say: ” they taught Vietnam a lesson in 1979″. And they want to teach Vietnam 2nd lesson. So Vietnamese show pics for Chinese to see how they were taught a lesson. And they realized that they had been brainwashed

因为中国人老是说:”他们在1979年给了越南一个教训“。他们想要给越南第二个教训。所以越南人就向中国人展示一些照片,让他们看看自己是如何被教训的。而他们就会意识到自己是被洗脑了。

Viva_Viet(越南)
in 1988, we completely exhauted, Soviet almost collaped and we don’t have good gunship to fight with you.those islands are so far from our land, it’s hard for us to defence .

Yep, thet seem don’t wanna fight with us now , any chance to win ??win by your copied Air forces ??we bought jet from Russia also, so we know all strong and weak points already .

Dont talk about Nuke, coz we have the right to enrich uranium in our soil from US, we can make Nuke if we need also.

1988年,我们彻底精疲力尽了。苏联几乎快要解体。我们没有好的武装直升机同你们作战。那些岛屿离我们太远,难以保卫。

是的,他们现在似乎不想同我们作战。有任何获胜的机会吗?靠你们山寨空军获胜?我们也从俄罗斯那里购买飞机,所非常清楚其优点和弱点。

别提核武器,因为我们有权利在自己土地上浓缩铀 ,如果需要我们也可以制造核武器。



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