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印度防卫网:印巴网友关于巴基斯坦下一代的步枪之争

印度防卫网:印巴网友关于巴基斯坦下一代的步枪之争。有印度网友称,“没错。为所有步兵采购新装备只是这项昂贵过程的第一步,随着时间的推移你还需要花费数亿去维护保养它们。而且还可怜地看到士兵仍然装备着生锈的老式中国仿制AK。我不清楚未来巴基斯坦陆军替代G3改型的是哪款标准化突击步枪。它们可能是新款俄罗斯的AK-12或中国的QBZ-97吧。”

译者:ngageboy
来源:三泰虎论坛 http://bbs.santaihu.com
原帖:http://www.indiandefence.com/forums/pakistan/35558-pakistan-army-%7C-final-infantry-soldier-layout.html


Pakistan Army | Final infantry soldier layout

巴基斯坦陆军 | 终极士兵装备

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译者:ngageboy
来源:三泰虎论坛 http://bbs.santaihu.com/thread-7744-1-1.html



Gessler(印度)
Nice gear. But what about the weapon?

不错的组合。但是怎么没提武器?

Paliwal Warrior(印度)
More important
Show me the money Honey

更重要的是,请亮出你的小钱钱,亲爱的。

Gessler(印度)回复Paliwal Warrior(印度)
Exactly. The costly process of buying new equipment for the whole infantry is only half the game, you
need billions for their upkeep over time.


Still it's pitiful to see that soldier equipped with a rusty old Chinese AK clone.


I wonder what will be the future standard-issue assault rifle for PA to replace
the G3 variants. They could go for new Russian AK-12 assault rifles
or Chinese QBZ-97.


没错。为所有步兵采购新装备只是这项昂贵过程的第一步,随着时间的推移你还需要花费数亿去维护保养它们。
而且还可怜地看到士兵仍然装备着生锈的老式中国仿制AK。


我不清楚未来巴基斯坦陆军替代G3改型的是哪款标准化突击步枪。它们可能是新款俄罗斯的AK-12或中国的QBZ-97吧。


Tailchopper(巴基斯坦)回复Gessler(印度)
Type-56 Chambered 7.62mm NATO, with folding stock, picatiny rails, and night vision/day-red.dot sights.
Sarsilmaz B6 9mm, side arm. [POF is negotiating production license]
POF-MP5A3 - 9mm PDW.


56式是北约7.62mm口径的,有折叠枪托、皮卡汀尼导轨和夜/日视-红点瞄准具。
萨希尔马兹的B6 ,9mm口径(译者:Sarsilmaz,土耳其军火公司),辅助武器。[巴基斯坦兵工厂正在洽谈生产许可证]
巴基斯坦兵工厂(POF)制的MP5A3,9mm口径单兵自卫武器(PDW)。


We mainly use POF G-3 variants, the latest upgrade is G3M.


我们主要使用POF产的G-3改型,最新升级版是G-3M


These AKs are not just cheap copies, they have good ergonomics and barrel metallurgy, they have been found to be very reliable in the battlefield.


QBZ-97 is a bullpop, we use StyerAug, FN-2000, and FN-FNP90 for bull pop applications, already so there is no need for it.


那些AK们不只是(简单)的便宜仿制货,它们具有良好的人体工程学和合金枪管,它们已经在战场上证明自己是非常可靠的了。
QBZ-97是无托枪(Bullpup),我们在用STYERAUG,FN-2000和FN-FNP90等类似无托枪了,所以已经不再需要97了。


Gessler(印度)回复Tailchopper(巴基斯坦)
These are all OK for present and near-future needs. But what about the future replacement for G3?
AUG, FN2000 are for special forces, you can't equip the whole infantry with such weapons, it'll cost a national fortune.
I'm talking about the planned replacement for G3 in future.


那就好,可以解决近未来的需求。但是未来替换G3之后呢?
AUG, FN2000是给特种部队用的,你不能用这种武器装备普通步兵,这样会花关整个国家的钱。我想谈谈未来G3的换代计划。



Skull and Bones(印度)
Rifle needs to be changed, preferable a lighter made of composite with shorter barrel. Just my take.

步枪需要换掉,应该优先选复合材料制成的短管枪。只是个人看法。

Tailchopper(巴基斯坦)回复Skull and Bones(印度)
Short barrel rifles are meant for Urban Warfare, and combat in confined spaces applications. They don't make good battle rifles...when we pick a battle rifle, we need a full length barrel to get the maximum muzzle velocity for armor piercing, increased impact velocity and extended range.


短管步枪适合城市战和密闭空间内的战斗。这些并不能使它成为优良的战斗步枪。。。当我们选择一支战斗步枪时,为了获得最大的穿甲弹初速并增加飞行速度和射程,我们就需要全尺寸长枪管。


Skull and Bones(印度)回复Tailchopper(巴基斯坦)
If you're looking at current war scenarios, more and more engagements are happening in urban setup, where short barrel is really a boon for clearing corners and making quick dash across the buildings and structures.


And engaging any human size targets beyond 200 m is really tough, i believe there has to be a distribution of assault weapon types in the force, more troops should be equipped with the long barrel version with scope.


如果你看看当前的战争情况下,交战越来越多发生在城市环境下,对于清除角落或快速冲过建筑物时,短枪管真的是好处多多。
超过200米之后,击中人体大小的目标是非常困难的,我相信军队里肯定有散布式攻击的武器,大多数部队应该装备卡宾枪版本的枪,少数来装备长枪管的版本。



Jungibaaz(巴基斯坦)
I agree carbine rifles are a need.

AFAIK the PA is still using it's standard AK variant and G-3 variant mostly, but for CQC we have locally produced MP-5 variants. Which isn't ideal, but it should suffice for now.

我同意需要卡宾步枪的观点。

据我所知巴基斯坦陆军仍然更多地在使用它制式的AK改型和G-3改型,当近距离防卫用(CQC) 时,我们有本土产的MP-5改型。虽不够理想,但目前使用还是能胜任的。

Gessler(印度)回复Jungibaaz(巴基斯坦)
I think the future replacement for PA G3 should be either the Turkish KALE MPT or Chinese QBZ-97 assault rifles.


The QBZ offers the advantages of bullpup design, and isn't particularly as costly as the Western bullpups either.


我认为未来替代巴基斯坦陆军G3的应该是土耳其的KALE MPT或中国的QBZ-97突击步枪。
QBZ具有无托设计的优点,并且相比西方无托枪来说并是不很昂贵。


Tailchopper(巴基斯坦)回复Gessler(印度)
Army wont go for a Bullpop as a battle rifle application, and not to forget the fact that we want to stick to 7.62mm NATO ammunition regime for small arms. QBZ-97 is chambered in 5.56mm.


G3 is going to be replaced, by what and when is something i cannot answer right now.


陆军不会像需要战斗步枪一样装备无托枪,而且不要忘记的事实是,我们的小型武器要坚持北约标准的7.62mm,而QBZ-97的口径是5.56mm。


G-3是要被替换,但用什么换,什么时候换,我还无法给出正确答案。


(译者:其实文中讨论的两种口径:7.62mm和5.56mm都是北约制式的步枪弹,前一种是传统德制G3、比利时FNFAL等使用的口径,后一种是近三十年流行的小口径子弹,用于M-16、M-4等步枪)


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