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印度防卫网:新型J-10B展现出全面改进而非局部

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印度防卫网:新型J-10B展现出全面改进而非局部。11月6日,在中航工业试飞中心,歼-10战斗机的副总设计师张继高首度公开谈到歼-10的改进型号。张继高向人民网记者表示,将从气动布局、任务系统、使用维护等方面综合提升歼-10战机的整体性能。2009年3月,互联网上首次出现我国歼-10改型战机的图片,随后被网民们称为“歼-10B”。近五年来,“歼-10B”的若干次试飞图片陆续在网上曝光,均牵引着网友、军迷、甚至外媒的关注。

译者:ngageboy
来源:三泰虎论坛 http://bbs.santaihu.com
原帖:http://www.indiandefence.com/forums/china/37134-new-j-10b-shows-comprehensive-rather-than-partial-improvements.html

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New J-10B shows comprehensive rather than partial improvements

新型J-10B展现出全面改进而非局部

On November 6th Zhang Jigao, deputy chief designer of the J-10 fighter, spoke about the improved model J 10 publicly for

the first time in the AVIC flight test center. Zhang Jigaotold People’s Daily Online reporters that the overall performance of the J10 will be comprehensively improved in areas such as aerodynamic layout,mission system, and the approach to maintenance.

In March 2009, pictures of our improved model J10 fighters appeared for the first time on the Internet, and netizens quickly began to call it the ”J-10B”.

Over the last five 5 years, several images of the test J10B have appeared online,attracting widespread attention from netizens, military enthusiasts, and even foreign media.U.S. military expert Richard Fisher recently pointed out that the J-10B is a so-called”fourth and a half” generation fighter equipped with modern airborne technology and an advanced radar system, which is about to be delivered to the PLA Air Force.

Zhang Jigao disputed the term ”fourth and a half” generation. In contrast, he suggestedthat the current international criteria to classify generations are more applicable.

He pointed out that single combat is rare in modern warfare, and that the majority of casesnow involve system combat  and network operations, so that the combat capabilities of a fighter depend on many factors.”This does not mean that the
optimization of an aircraft’s radar, avionics, and missile detection ranges are bound to improvements in operational performance.”

Zhang Jigao added that further improvements to the performance of the J10 would focus on the aircraft’s aerodynamic layout and mission systems, and the approach to maintenance.”Aircraft development requires constant optimization and improvement,”  he said, “and our modifications will be comprehensive rather than being confined to a specific area.”

(原帖译文转自新华网《副总师首谈歼10B:将进行全面改进而非局部》)

11月6日,在中航工业试飞中心,歼-10战斗机的副总设计师张继高首度公开谈到歼-10的改进型号。张继高向人民网记者表示,将从气动布局、任务系统、使用维护等方面综合提升歼-10战机的整体性能。

2009年3月,互联网上首次出现我国歼-10改型战机的图片,随后被网民们称为“歼-10B”。

近五年来,“歼-10B”的若干次试飞图片陆续在网上曝光,均牵引着网友、军迷、甚至外媒的关注。

日前,美国军事专家理查德·费希尔指出,“歼-10B”是一种配备了现代化机载设备、先进雷达系统的“四代半”战机,该型战斗机即将交付中国空军。

而对此,张继高并不太认同“四代半”战机的说法。相较之下,他认为目前国际通用的战机划代方式是更为合理的。

他指出,现代战争中,很少有单机对抗的情况,多为体系对抗、网络作战,因此一型战斗机的作战效果与诸多因素相关。“并不是说飞机的雷达、航电武器、导弹探测距离优化了,它的作战效果就提高了。”

谈到下一步歼-10改进型号的研制,张继高透露,将从飞机的气动布局、任务系统、使用维护等方面提升其性能。“飞机的发展要通过不断的优化、改进,”他说,“我们的改型将是全面的,不会只局限于某一个方向。”

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译者:ngageboy
来源:三泰虎论坛 http://bbs.santaihu.com/thread-7911-1-1.html

Manmohan Yadav(印度)
Only thing new is the paint

唯一新的东西就是油漆了。

Jungibaaz(巴基斯坦)回复Manmohan Yadav(印度)
The J-10B is quite an extensive upgrade, it’s like the difference between an F-16C Block 30/40 and an F-16E.
Well if you only count the paint, then there’s not even that.
All test models of their’s have yellow paint, production ones are grey.
So I guess even the paint isn’t new.

J-10B得到了相当广泛的升级,它就像F-16C Block 30/40和F-16E之间的区别。
好吧,如果你只看到油漆,那么就更不用说其他的了。
他们所有测试型号都刷成黄油漆,量产型才是灰色的。
所以我猜即使是(你只看到的)油漆也不算新的。

Manmohan Yadav(印度)回复Jungibaaz(巴基斯坦)

I know that

我知道的啦

Gessler(印度)回复Jungibaaz(巴基斯坦)
I would say it’s about the improvement between an F-16A Block-15 and a F-16C Block-52+.

以我来看,它是从F-16A Block-15到F-16C Block-52+的改进。

Jungibaaz(巴基斯坦)回复Gessler(印度)
The gap, sure.
But if the rumours have any bit of truth in them it may surpass F-16C models in some areas.

差距确实存在。

但是如果有关它的传言中有任何一点是属实的话,可能在某些领域会超越F-16C型。

Gessler(印度)回复Jungibaaz(巴基斯坦)
I will SEEEEEEEE it.

我会一直关注它的。

Smestarz(印度)回复Jungibaaz(巴基斯坦)
Can it be competetive to say F-16 Block 52 or Block 60 ? What is your view or info from any sources.

它对比F-16 Block 52或 F-16 Block 60有竞争力吗?你有什么看法或提供一些资料吧。

Jungibaaz(巴基斯坦)回复Smestarz(印度)
My personal view is that it will be as capable the F-16 Block 52.
Sources have always talked about the level of sensor fusion as what excites them the most, so that indicates a well rounded system with a similar idea to the SPECTRA on the Rafale, but I doubt it will be as capable, and I’m just going to leave these as rumours, since there’s nothing to suggest that level of upgrade, but like I said, ESA radar, IRST and visible improvements to the EW/ECM suite. So I can see how it might happen.

The Chinese sources themselves have compared it to an F-16E, this goes along with the above claim and another claim that is will infact have an AESA radar and many other technologies completely new to the Chinese market, this is because the J-10B is meant to be a test-bed for systems on the J-20.

But, this leaves me with a bit of a worry, are these technologies matured enough?

The progress by the Chinese is very rapid, and it’s not been too long since they moved on to their own work rather then locally produced Russian parts. Another aspect that worries me is the lack of information, the J-10B has been in testing for a very long time now. Sure it makes sense, what with the level of upgrade they’re dealing with, but it could also be engine trouble.

What I’m trying to say here is that there’s a risk that J-10B might be filled with half baked technology, not fully mature.

Perhaps that’s why it’s taking so long.

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我个人的看法是,它能媲美F-16 Block 52.
用中国人自己的说法已经将它比作F-16E了。。。另一个说法是针对国内使用,将安装主动相控阵雷达雷达等诸多新技术,这是因为J-10B一定程度有成为J-20系统实验平台的意思。

但是,这令我有点担心,是那些技术还不够成熟吗?

中国的进步非常迅速,但是将非本土化生产的俄罗斯部分变成自产的时间还不是很长。我担心的另一方面是缺乏信息,因为J-10B已经测试相当长一段时间了。当然,这是有意义的,说明他们正在处理升级的水平,也可能是发动机问题。

这里我想说的是,有一种可能就是J-10B里很多都是半成熟技术。也许这就是要花这么长的时间吧。

Kaku(前苏联)回复Jungibaaz(巴基斯坦)
But always remember, Chinese has very bad habit about there tall claims. If they can, they already on Alpha Centuri.

请永远牢记,中国人有一个坏习惯,喜欢夸大其词。如果他们可以,他们都已经登上阿尔法半人马座了。

Jungibaaz(巴基斯坦)回复Gessler(印度)
Fair enough.
But the few confirmed things we can be sure of are the following, DSI/bump inlet and with it some sort of weight reduction, the extent to which may be significant, might improve T/W ratio. There’s the the IRST which is likely uses legacy imaging tech, but an improvement nonetheless. Redesigned nose to accommodate DSI, perhaps also changed in mind with a new radar.

New radar is also confirmed after those leaked picks of the radar testing on the J-10, likely an ESA of some sort, which would also explain the nose change to accommodate a new radar and cooling system.

Upgraded ECM/EW suite, which is visible and shows external changes. New engine is things go to plan, greater weapons integration. Pretty much the same weapons package unveiled for the JF-17 in 2011 and now in 2013.

I’ve left out the things that have no confirmation.

不够公平。

但通过一些极少已被证实的事例中我们可以肯定有以下(改进):DSI凸型进气道,可以减轻重量,效果明显,还能提高T/W比例。还有红外跟踪搜索系统可能采用了传统的成像技术,但依然在改进。重型设计的机鼻,以适应DSI进气道,或许改进采用了新的雷达。

那些流出的照片里也证实了新的雷达在J-10上的测试,类似某种相控阵雷达雷达,这也就解释了机鼻的变化,是为了适应新的雷达和冷却系统。

升级的电子对抗和电子战设备,是显而易见的,体现在外部变化上。新的发动机和更高度的武器整合也在计划中。在2011年和2013年,已经为JF-17推出了几乎相同的武器套装。

(至于)那些未经证实的事情,我已经撇去了。

Safriz(巴基斯坦)
engine
..
Chinese engine

发动机

中国产的发动机

Gessler(印度)回复Safriz(巴基斯坦)
No

不对

【译者注:未完待续】

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