从这里了解印度人对中国的看法

Navneet:我的中国日记……(2)

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三泰虎博客译文《Navneet:我的中国日记……(2)》。Navneet:对于遵纪守法的公民 来说,严格的法律是一项恩惠,因为这些人本身就遵守法律,且需要有一种安全感。你不需要右翼组织或湿婆神军党的暴徒来告诉你什么是对的和什么是错的。如果 你属于其他地区的人或者信仰的是不被他们认可的宗教,那么你就会被视为反国家的。为了获得注意力,他们会焚烧一些公共财产。

译文来源:三泰虎 http://www.santaihu.com
外文标题:My China Diary
外文地址:http://creative.sulekha.com/my-china-diary_468290_blog

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For a law abiding citizen, the strictness of the law is a boon because as such he/she respects the law and wants to feel safe. You don’t want MNS or Shiv Sena goons telling you about what is right and what is wrong and where should your priorities lie. That if you belong to some other part of the nation or believe in the religion other than the one they endorse, you become anti-national and to draw the attention of the nation they should burn some public property. Some months ago there was an eruption of some riots in Urumuqi here in China and some 150 people were killed. The authorities made an announcement that if the suspects came forward they will be dealt with leniently but they didn’t and surely within a fortnight they were aprrehended and with in a month after a brief trial they were executed. Riots here mean a sedition against the nation and the penality is death. They were all teenagers. They were spared a life time of remorse and regret in prison. There were no proceedings like those for Ajmal Kasabs and Afzal Gurus with government going a great length to show that it cares for their human rights.

对于遵纪守法的公民来说,严格的法律是一项恩惠,因为这些人本身就遵守法律,且需要有一种安全感。你不需要右翼组织或湿婆神军党的暴徒来告诉你什么是对的和什么是错的。如果你属于其他地区的人或者信仰的是不被他们认可的宗教,那么你就会被视为反国家的。为了获得注意力,他们会焚烧一些公共财产。

几个月前,乌鲁木齐爆发骚乱,大约150人被杀。当局宣布如果暴徒自首,那么可以宽大处理。那些暴徒没有站出来,结果两周内被逮捕,一个月内被判决并被处死。骚乱在中国被视为反国家的暴动,处罚是死刑。那些罪犯都是青少年,他们幸免了在监狱里度过懊悔的一生。没有漫长的诉讼,反观印度政府在处理Ajmal Kasabs 和 Afzal Gurus 案件时极力表现出其关心认全。

You don’t want that Jawan’s should die fighting against an illusive gang hiding deep in forsets posing to be fighting for the cause of the poor. You don’t want corrupt politicians robbing the nation and stacking wealth in the foreign banks that in principle don’t divulge the identities of the looters because they have been safe havens for depsoiting ill gotten wealth since ages and that’s how they have prospered and have won the confident of the thieves.

那些藏身在森林里幽灵一般的帮派喊出为了造福穷人而战斗,你不想看到印度士兵在打击他们时牺牲;你不想看到腐败的政客抢劫国家,并把财富存入外国银行。这些外国银行保证不泄露抢劫犯的身份,成为了窝藏非法财富的天堂,它们就是靠这些赢得小偷们的信心并繁荣起来的。

You want a peaceful atmosphere, equality and justice for all citizens of the nation irrespective of the cast, religion or race. You want a peaceful atmosphere where you can co-exist, grow and prosper with the other fellow human beings. You want safety and security for yourself, your family and for all other fellow beings. It is the duty of the state to ensure that. If I have the freedom of speech, I can use it to speak good and spew venom too in a democratic set up but if such freedom is restricted to speaking only good should you say that your human rights are being scuttled? In China the court proceedings are brief and the justice quick. If the law says no to drunken driving then that’s it. No one tries to challenge it or test it. The cases of poor victims crushed under BMWs or SUVs of the drunken influential people don’t run for ages with witnesses turning hostile in the end. This is culpable homicide and the penality is death here and those handed down the death sentence don’t wait for the execution all their life times. The verdict carries with it the period of reprieve which is all the time left with the culprit to sulk and feel sorry for his crime.

无论种姓、宗教或种族,你希望为所有公民营造和平、平等与公正的气氛;你希望营造与其他人共同相处、发展和繁荣的祥和气氛;你希望自己、家人和其他人的安全有保障。这些是国家的职责所在。如果有言论自由,我可以对别人好言相向,也可以对别人恶语相加。如果限制你只能说好话,那么你会说你的认全受侵犯吗?

中国的审判程序是短暂的,司法快速高效。如果法律规定不能酒驾,那就不能酒驾。没人胆敢挑战法律或者敢以身试法。被显赫人物的宝马碾压的可怜受害者不会诉讼几年后,结果目击证人倒戈了。这种刑事杀人在当地面临的惩罚是死刑,且不会拖了一辈子还没执行。判决给了缓期执行的期限,为的是给罪犯为其罪行忏悔的时间。

Execution is a reality and everyday there are some. Yesterday, one Japanese national was executed for the crime of trying to smuggle drugs out of China. There is no death penality in Japan agreed, but in China there is and the government won’t change it’s policy for a criminal and consider mercy. For the last one month Google was trying to make some noise about the reports of some human rights activists being filtered by the Govt. watch dogs. Google has made an exit last week as if in an attempt to show to the world how it cared for the freedom of expression or is it that the government has told them to just fuck off? Some months ago YouTube was asked to filter some data being posted on it’s pages but YouTube didn’t comply. So YouTube can’t be accessed from China nor can FaceBook and many more sites I try to reach can be. But life goes on. It’s very peaceful here. Not a car honks a horn. There are no policemen hiding behind the trees to challan you for traffic violations or to rob you off your pocket money. There are only Video cameras at the crossings and yes, the pedestrian has the first right and you better be aware of it.

死刑是现实存在的,且每天都在上演。昨天,一名日本公民因试图将毒品走私出中国而被处决。日本并不存在死刑,但中国存在,政府不会为了一名罪犯而改变其政策。上月,谷歌试图就有关认全活动分子的报道被中国审查机构过滤而发出一些噪音。谷歌上周退出了中国,此举似乎向世界表明其多么关注言论自由,又或是中国叫它滚蛋的?几个月前,youtube被要求过滤一些数据,youtube拒绝服从,结果在中国被封锁,facebook等许多其他网站也是如此。但是当地的生活仍在继续,且一片祥和。听不到汽车鸣喇叭。警察不会躲在树后抓你违反交规的证据,或者盘剥你零用钱。十字路口安装有摄像头,行人优先,你最好小心。

I feel the text I am writing doesn’t go with the mood of the pictures I am planning to post but it is informative. My idea is to put before you the picture of China through my eyes and now I see spring here all around, a lot of it… So here are some pictures celebrating the arrival of spring.
以上文字与我打算要发的图片不大相吻合,但有助增长见闻。我的想法是通过我的眼睛来向你展示中国的面貌,周围春意渐浓…….以下是一些庆祝春天到来的图片:

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以下是读者和Navneet的讨论:

译文来源:三泰虎 http://www.santaihu.com/my-china-diary-part-2.html

WriteSpice

Well manmade gardens and buildings no longer impress me because one gets used to it within days like i did in the most beautiful and high standard state of Colorado in US.. and the so called peacefulness begins to take the form of emptiness very soon. Of course I agree with the need for stringent laws etc., but are we ready for something that would apply to us like a one-child policy. I am a mother of single child so it doesn’t make a diff for me but would the other sulekhites here with two more children agreed to it?

Actually cleaning up streets and cities is quite easy given that you are willing to jail or kill street children/slum dwellers as it happened discreetly in thailand and other closed countries. But what I am afraid of is the extinction of the kind of spritualism that I have felt alive only in India.

One US colleague pointed to a slum near my locality and asked, “don’t police pick them up?” I felt like replying so should the poor only have jails as shelters?

人造花园和高楼大厦不再让我印象深刻,在美国科罗拉多呆了几天后就已经习以为常了。所谓的平和很快就会转变成空虚。我也同意严苛法律的必要性,但我们是否准备好接受独生子女之类的政策。我是一个孩子的妈妈,对我来说当然没有区别,但本站其他有两个以上孩子的人会同意吗?

正如泰国和其他封闭国家发生的一样,如果你愿意把街头流浪小孩和棚户居民送入监狱或者杀死,那么清扫街道和城市就再简单不过了。我担心的是只有在印度能感受到的精神性的消失。

一位美国同事指着我住处附近的一个贫民窟问道:“警察不把他们抓起来吗?”

我是这样回答的:难道穷人只能把监狱当做藏身之所吗?

navneetkumarbakshi

Right to live does not mean you should let them live, grow and die on the roads, humans and animals alike. Chaos cannot be given the guise of freedom. Order does not mean deprivation of right to urinate in public. Discipline is very important and strict adherence to the laws is important. In the name of liberty you should not be allowed to create raucous and damage public property and get away with it. The kind of freedom we have in India is hard to find in any other country and see the price our country is paying for it. Me and you were never misusing it but those who do, get away with murder because of this very freedom.

生存权并不意味着让人们在马路上自生自灭。混乱不能打着自由的幌子进行。法令并不意味着剥夺在公共场所随地小便的权利。遵守纪律非常重要,同样重要的是严格遵守法律。

你不能以自由的名义去大声喧哗、破坏公共财产并逃之夭夭。我们在印度享受的自由是其他任何国家所看不到的,看看我们国家为此付出的代价。你和我从来不会滥用这种自由,但某些人会滥用,并为所欲为,逍遥法外。

ashualec

its all good because they do it their country but its all bad when they do it in Tibet or neighbouring countries

如果在自己的地盘上这样做,那么一切均是利好;如果在xz或邻国这样搞,那么就坏透了。

navneetkumarbakshi

Politics is a very complicated thing Ashu.

Ashu, 政治是非常复杂的东西。

Richard Lee

your wife is beautiful, man 🙂

你老婆长得漂亮 🙂

navneetkumarbakshi

Thanks Richard Lee- This blog is very old and so is this picture. This picture is of 1987. My son was three years old then :). She still looks good but the time has taken its toll.

Navneet

谢谢。本篇博文是很早以前写的,那张照片是1987年拍的,我儿子当时3岁 🙂 她当时还算好看,但岁月不饶人啊。

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      • 87年俺家连个黑白电视都没有,只有一辆金鹿自行车跟一台上海缝纫机。。
        貌似中国跟印度拉开差距应该是90年以后的事情吧,87年两个国家的经济规模应该差不了太多,普通民众生活水平也应该差不多。所以可以得出一个结论—-这位大叔年轻时是高富帅!
        印度必胜!

        • 87年我们家有彩电,住的楼房。其他家电没有。不过路上都很干净,这点印度没法比。不过我们这个地方到处都是排水沟露天的,现在没有了。那时候闭路里每到假日,从7点放到晚上10点都是港台连续剧、武打片,一部片子2-3天就放完了,可以一刻不停的看。

    • 不确定那整栋房子是别墅,都是这大叔的,87年有本田摩托也确实惊艳
      这大叔是高种姓,嫁妆肯定收了不少,从新旧程度看,或许那个摩托就是嫁妆
      我认为他老婆长得不算好看,脸型不好
      我见过好看的印度姑娘,让我惊艳那种,符合东方人审美的那种
      人一辈子不会有多少次惊艳的感觉,但是当我试图靠近她聊聊天时,那是个夏天,在超市,她的浓烈的狐臭让我意兴阑珊,我闪了
      从这个87年的本田摩托能看出,中国要追赶发达工业国家还任重道远,希望有一天,印度人开中国摩托,本尊做不了富二代,就让我们的下一代当富二代吧 :mrgreen:

      • …….人种毕竟有区别,香水就可以遮味了嘛。其实东亚人种也有一部分有狐臭的,只是比例没有其它人种高而已。同理,其它人种其实也有没狐臭的或者味小的。其它人种……你值得拥有! :mrgreen:

        • 奇怪,我接触的老外闻起来都香香的,当然人家是爱用香水。可我接触过狐臭的同胞,那个真不是香水可以解决的。。。你们确定老外的体味=狐臭?而且狐臭还和人种有关,你确定?
          以前忘了在哪看过说人都有体味,是因为人体腋下、头皮、脸颊、耻骨周围有一种类似“香腺”的汗腺(当然并不真的香),是用来吸引异性的,是人都有,但蒙古人种的比较不明显,而白种人比较明显些,举个例子,有过恋爱经历的人都有这个体验,闭上眼睛去闻对方的脸,会有一种只属于你爱人的特别的味道,不同于香也不同于臭的气味,这个就是那种“香腺”;还有一种说法,据说白人和黑人代谢旺盛,汗腺发达(汗腺用来平衡体温,能做更剧烈的运动,这也是他们体能好的一小部分原因),出汗多当然体味重,但我不觉得那个就是狐臭啊。
          以前上学时宿舍里有位姑凉,让我见识了狐臭,是一种类似于死耗子或者说烂洋葱+腐肉的气味,天天洗澡用除汗露也不行,仅限于靠近能闻到还是离远能闻到的区别。

          • 体味含义广一点,包含狐臭和其它部位的味道。狐臭主要指汗腺分泌的味道。对于一般人而言,狐臭是体味里最强烈的部分。老实说,如果待在北方,冬天洗澡少,还捂出了点汗的话,就是这个味!当然,汗腺越发达的人,狐臭越强烈。

          • 回tenal童鞋,狐臭是种病变(也叫臭汗症,遗传导致,作用原理大致是泌汗细胞激素水平异常),不是什么“汗腺分泌的味道”,至少不是正常健康的汗腺分泌的味道。
            “对一般人而言”,这个没有一般人,它是一种病,没这病的人一年不洗就算能臭二里地,臭的能熏死蚊子,跟狐臭的味道也是两码事。

          • 笑着回小白:狐臭是腋下散发的,内裤一年不换也不会有这种味道,除非她洋葱吃多啦,我相信你闻到的就是狐臭。。。
            狐臭无国界,外国人里也有这病。

          • 人出汗啥味和饮食习惯有很大关系,以前我嘲笑白种人体味重,白种人说中国人一股烂白菜味,其实去吃了白种人食品几个星期,我出汗味道和白种人也差不多了
            如果中国人吃印度食品,经常吃洋葱咖喱,估计汗味也是印度人那样了
            不过狐臭是种病,不是食物决定的,有就是有,没有的话,吃什么也不会有狐臭

  1. 看作者的照片可以肯定他是印度高种姓的人,看肤可以看得出来,白肤色的基本没有贱民,就像中国古代的“上品无寒士”一样

    • 虽然从人种学上划分,印度的精英阶层高种姓属于欧罗巴人种,但他们的肤色绝不能称为“白”。。。。我个人认为用深肤色或者浅肤色描述比较合适。。

    • 对印度人的忠告:种姓制度是印度既得利益者 不愿改变 极力维护 短视弱智的 制约印度生产力发展的 垃圾毒瘤!
      想干中国?必须先废了这个!

  2. 话说87年,我家还没自己的房子呢,住的是单位的仓库改的。大概100多个平方的仓库,住我们一家人。大到是大了,就是因为仓库存过的东西嘛,所以老鼠啊,蛇啊之类的也在一起住 😈 。一次老爸做饭的时候,房梁上掉下一条蛇正好掉在锅里 :mrgreen: ,养的狗也被毒蛇咬死两只,当然,咱家的狗也会捉老鼠 :mrgreen:

  3. “警察不会躲在树后抓你违反交规的证据,或者盘剥你零用钱。”
    ……………………………………、
    你太纯洁了

  4. 可以认为这位三哥主要是在对比之下只留意了中国好的一部分,相信他也同样看到过中国仍需改善不那么好的部分。
    就好像80年代中国从领导阶层开始下至文人专家大部分都过度地崇洋媚外,主张全盘西化宣扬河殇流之类中国人的劣根性成了潮流,就是因为刚刚接触西方国家跟宣传对比反差太大,以至于从一个极端走向了另一个极端,甚至到了今天,还能看到一些老人拒绝承认诸多西方国家失业增大社会动荡福利难以维持的现实,仍然习惯于一开口就拿西方国家当人类典范批判中国。
    所以说,兼听则明,与时俱进很重要。
    当然,有些摆明了造谣,编造一些跟现实完全不相干的故事的公知做法,与前者又是截然不同的。

  5. 我家乡下是1984年建的三间二层的楼房,1992年开始就没什么人住过了但是也没事,以前的质量好啊,听我爸说当时建个房子才四千块,包括泥水工工钱两千多,会有很多邻居来帮忙。1987年我家只有黑白电视,在房顶上撑一支长长的竹杆上面装个鱼骨架。。那个时候自行车很普遍了,我爸还有辆手扶拖拉机,但是摩托车那个时候超贵,所以少。

  6. Navneet是个非常诚实的人–说话中肯非常睿智,很欣赏。

    祝愿在中国玩得开心愉快~多走走,中国东部和中部西部有不同的地域特色可供你观察和思考~~

  7. 这位印度哥们不懂中文,负责上腾讯网易和新浪,你会看到中国的丑事恶事罄竹难书啊,我都不敢没事看新闻,看了我的心情会很阴暗,很不快了,上网就是看看别人的笑话,我怕看到中国的新闻,我真的很怕

    • 腾讯网易和新浪上的新闻颇多谣言谣传,不过印度大叔至少会知道一件事,中国普遍网民素质和阿三一样低