原帖标题：Japan: the world's most peaceful nation?
Yeah, I know all the cliches. Samuri. Toshiro Mifune. Pearl Harbor. Godzilla. Mobile Suit Gundam. Et cetera. But is Japan really as warlike as everyone likes to believe? Ask yourself the following question:
How many times in its entire history has Japan ever invaded another country? Twice? Once at the end of the 16th century and once at the beginning of the 20th? That's it? That's all they could accomplish in 1000 years? What a bunch of slackers.
By way of contrast, how many times have we peaceful Americans invaded another country in less than a fifth of that time? Oh, I know we invaded Canada, Mexico, the Phillipines, several Central American nations, and fought the Vietnam War in self-defense. And Grenada represented a clear and obvious danger to our security -- if Reagan hadn't sent in the troops, we'd probably all be speaking Grenadan and sipping drinks out of coconut mugs with little paper parasols by now. But still, if a race of visiting aliens were to study our planet's history to decide which nation was the most warlike, would Japan even show up on their list?
Could you specify when they did invade? I know next to nothing of Japan's history, and perhaps there are more here like me...
Sino-japanese war, russo-japanese war and WW2 right? yeah come to think of it they only invaded other countries three times.
When I was to Korea I learned that Japan conquered, occupied and burned their country in the 19th-20th century. Perhaps, that should be added, too.
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Well I that is highly relative, although I am greatly biased and will admit that, but I think Canada is a very peaceful country, but lets not forget our friends the Swiss, who hold our gold when we have fisticuffs. Japan was involved in WWI, mainly to get a stake at the treaty table. Although they tend to play defense, but they also boasted the Samurai whose reputation proceeds them.
In all I think you have to consider Switzerland above all in terms of peaceful, but also countries like Sweden and Finland could get consideration as well. But I know nothing of their history.
Nothing like a defeat to turn a country into a peaceful nation. Since world war 2 both Japan and Germany have been very good boys and girls and behaved themselves
japan invaded korea and china also.
and attacked the US, russia, china, ryukyu, etc... idk about peaceful.
They don't have the atomic bomb though, so that's kinda peaceful I suppose.
Japan is an island, with a rather wider strait to cross than the English Channel. This limits the wars the nation could indulge in, until the past 150 or so years.
With it's immediate neighbour being powerful Imperial China for many centuries, that also limited opportunities for warfare.
Once the nation joined in with the Europeans in ripping off a now weakened China, it went to war pretty much continuously until 1945.
Korean historian book analysis says Korea had been invaded by Japan for more than 1000 times during AD 0 to 1945, whereas they were invaded by China for more than 3000 times during that same period. Though most of invasion were not deliberately planned by Japan's government, the figures would be astonishing.
But, in modern era, that is the post 1945, Japan is the most peaceful nation in the world where they wouldn't bother to go military. Japanese policemen are famous to give parking tickets to tank divisions which were under practice operations, arguing that is the traffic laws and there shouldn't be exception.
I cannot help but wonder what type of things the Korean analyst counted as an 'invasion'. Was he just counting minor border incursions, lost fisherman and trappers, illegal immigrants looking for work, and the like? This was, after all, the culture that routinely executed shipwrecked foreign sailors (well into the 19th Century!) because they'd had the temerity to set foot in the Silent Kingdom. Or perhaps they didn't want to share any kimchi. Which I can understand, because the stuff is quite good
The Japanese, on the other hand, didn't execute every shipwrecked sailor who landed on their shores... They only executed some of them...
In the medieval time, Japanese pirates invaded the Korea, which was counted as invasion as well as Chinese manchurians (such as Jurchen and Kitans) plundered around the North Korea.
Of course, the war such as the invasion Korea of 1592 and was between Qing dyansty - Chosun dynasty were counted as invasion too.
So, pretty much, the invasion written in the history books contain all harassment by Japanese or Chinese, from illegal immigration to the total warfare.
Some Koreans make fun of themselves that "we love peace soooooooooooo much, always invaded by other people, but never invaded others."
"The invasions of Korea launched by the dictator Toyotomi Hideyoshi are unique in Japanese history for being the only time that the samurai assaulted a foreign country. Hideyoshi planned to invade and conquer China, ruled at the time by the Ming dynasty, and when the Korean court refused to allow his troops to cross their country, Korea became the first step in this ambitious plan of conquest. In 1592 a huge invasion force of 150,000 men landed at the ports of Busan and Tadaejin under the commanders Konishi Yukinaga and Kato Kiyomasa. These two Japanese divisions rapidly overran their Korean counterparts, taking the principal cities of Seoul and then Pyongyang and driving the remnants of the Korean Army into China. The Japanese division under Kato Kiyomasa even started to advance into Manchuria. However, the Korean strength was in their navy and the vital Korean naval victory of Hansando disrupted the flow of supplies to the invasion forces, forcing them to hold their positions around Pyongyang. In 1593, the Chinese invaded capturing Pyongyang from the Japanese and driving them southwards.”
At the time, Korean dynasty was more like the vassal state of the Ming Chinese. How could they accept the Hideyoshi's offer? What Hideyoshi argued was to make a good reason for Japanese soldiers to accept the war and fight until they die.
Yes, indeed, it was so fast; it takes 15 days to walk to Seoul from Busan, but the Japanese spent only 20 days to conqueor Seoul after it landed on.
There were no strong resistances to Japanese.
Relationship between Kato and Konishi can be compared to Konev and Zhoukov in the WW2 of the Soviet; they were just racing to Seoul as Konev and Zhoukov both raced to Berlin to show their loyalty to Stalin.
Kato and Konishi never cooperated each others after the fall of Seoul, which could be why they couldn't conqueor all Korea.
Here, probably the most competent admiral not only in Korea but also in the World history comes out to defeat Japanese fleets with outnumbered troops, but better technology and naval doctrines. His name is Yi, Soon-Shin.
Kato was the 1st division entering Seoul because his division burned transport ships near the Han River, which prevented Konishi divisions from entering Seoul through the River. On the same time, Kato entered Seoul from Northeast side, where he didn't need any transport ships to cross the river.
Konishi first thought because it was war, there wouldn't be ships avaliable to cross the river, but later he realized Kato intentionally burned the ships, which made him angry over Kato.
The other reason Kato hated Konishi was Konishi was a Christian, whereas Kato even persecuted Chritstians in his regional terrority.
After the fall of Seoul, Konishi went to Pyongyang (modern Chinese border side), wherease Kato went to Wonsan (modern Russian border side).
Kato was avaliable to be supplied from Sea of Japan or the East Sea, but Konishi was never possible to be supplied because Yi, Soon Shin massacred all supplies ships crossing the Yellow Sea.
well world's most peaceful country..... well then i can name India... cause we have not invaded any country over a 100 years & more......
all the wars we fought with pakisthan & China was just to self-defence.... india never invaded any part of the world.....
From what I understand, Japan has no standing army. Sure it has a home police force, but no big uber army so if it got invaded by...say...China, we'd have to get over there to help them eventually, if not immediatly.
cough cough the rape of nanking....
Japan also invaded Okinawa. I am quite surprised to find out during my stay in Japan that this was not quite common knowledge. Okinawa was, by itself, an independent chain of islands. In 1609, the Shimazu Clan militarily invaded Okinawa and took it under the complete reign of mainland Japan. As a side now: Okinawa was just returned, or turned over back to Japan in 1977 by the US.
Well i think that may be true cos for many years now we have not heard of Japan invasion or attack of another country.
Japan wouldnt consider attacking because the memory of atomic death still reins in their elders memories.
What about its history of internal conflict; especially in the 16 century?
I actually have no clue why the Japanese are so renown for their samurai outside of Asia, and when that whole trend actually started (ppl who havent watched movies like Seven Samurai know bout them). But it should be noted that for most of Samurai history in Japan, it was quite bloody.
They have been good at marketing Samurai as the Japanese unique figure in lots of areas such as movie, cartoon, and books.
Another reason would be that during the WW2, Japanese were emphasizing Samurai sprits against US Marines, which were astonishing to US marines performing operations.
Erhm... you know they were constantly having civil wars and such.. so I don't know about being all that peaceful...
Japan was in a period of near constant warfare (with some brief pauses) from 936 to 1603.
New Zeland is the most peaceful country on earth.
If we are including all of a nation's history then no country on earth can claim the title. The aliens will just be forced to conclude that humans are inherently violent beings.
Iceland, Costa Rica, Bermuda.
Iceland has only fought 1 war in it's existence, a civil war. Costa Rica and Bermuda (to my knowledge) have never fought a war.
I respect Jappanesse people, I admire their way of civilization.
I was living in a town in Anatolia. nearlly %90 of the foreing tourist was from Japan. It is a good implication to show how Jappan people pay importance to learning different cultures. Most of the tourist in cultural and historical areas are from Japain.
They should be the most civilized people on the Earth.
One a time, There were Japan group of around 10 people, i was just around 15, I greeted one of them in Japan way, bowing my head then the entire group of Japan people replied me back all together, at the same time. I felt shy and much honored.
Maybe you should ask why most Chinese hate the Japanese.
Well certainly more peaceful than the US
You might have trouble selling that to the folks of Nanking in 1937.
WOW!!! NO ONE MENTIONED INDIA??!!
India was the founder of Buddhism, Jainism (they frown upon war), ahimsa, their culture forbid them from slaughtering animals, Ashoka was a great ahimsa ruler, remember Gandhi??? All Indian elements,men...
India had their own "Amnesty International" long back, where they laid down the rules of war, and rules like- how to treat POWs, how to treat a surrendering king etc, and battlefield rules.
As one of this forum's members pointed out, Indian Empires were not built on a class of military men, but built on a class of businessmen. There is no point in history when India invaded a foreign country. Civil war never happened or were on a negligible scale.
Japan is peaceful as long as its neighbors are strong... Samething for most other countries...
This is a ridiculous conclusion. If a ant is brutal, aggressive, it can cause few loss. But a peaceful elephant with occasional anger can cause a lot of loss, even disaster. Only in recent 120 years, Japanese was capable of invading other country. Before japan was just a brutal ant.
Of course Japan is war like. but US is not doing much better than Japan in recent years, invading two countries within a few years for the so called "self defense" purpose.