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袁隆平质疑印度高产水稻造假,遭比哈尔邦网民严厉驳斥

袁隆平质疑印度高产水稻造假,遭印度比哈尔邦网民严厉驳斥。youbihar.com是比哈尔邦最大的社交网站和在线社区,会员大多是比哈尔邦网民。“杂交水稻之父”袁隆平质疑印度高产水稻造假,有比哈尔邦网民在该社区发帖讨论,称比哈尔邦的水稻产量是否造假?他说:问题是袁隆平先生是中国人,我们对其不能有太多指望,你们认为中国方面的宣称是对的吗?比哈尔邦是否真的在水稻产量上造假了?哈尔邦网民纷纷严厉驳斥袁隆平,辩称产量绝对是真的,绝无造假。

译文来源:三泰虎 http://www.santaihu.com
原文标题:Is Bihar’s claim of rice record fake
原文链接:http://www.youbihar.com/forum/topics/is-bihar-s-claim-of-rice-record-fake






【三泰虎注:本文来自http://www.youbihar.com,该站是比哈尔邦最大的社交网站和在线社区,会员基本上是比哈尔邦网民】

Recently Bihar claimed that its farmers at Nalanda was able to harvest a world record 22.4 tonnes of rice from one hectare of land without using herbicides or genetically modified (GM) seeds.

最近,比哈尔邦声称该邦那兰陀的农民在不使用除草剂和转基因种子的情况下,从每公顷土地上收获了创造世界记录的22.4吨水稻。

Now China is saying that Bihar's claim is fake. One of the China's scientist, Yuan Longping who is known as “the father of hybrid rice” for developing varieties in China is saying that high yields is not possible in fields of Bihar.

中国说比哈尔邦的宣称是造假的。中国其中一位科学家、因培育作物品种而以“杂交水稻之父”著称的袁隆平,称比哈尔邦的土地不可能种出如此高的产量。

But the thing is that Mr Longping is Chinese and we cannot expect much from them. Do you think, China's claim is right. Did Bihar really lie about this rice claim?

问题是袁隆平先生是中国人,我们对其不能有太多指望。你们认为中国方面的宣称是对的吗?比哈尔邦是否真的在水稻产量上造假了?

以下是比哈尔邦网民的讨论:



Ragini Bhatiya

As far as I am aware this is not fake. There is no reason for Bihar to fake the news. Also it has been sanctioned by the govt of India who will also benefit from this discovery. Its a win for Indian farmers and not just Bihar. China has a political and an economic agenda to belittle India as its facing severe economic slowdown.

据我所知,这不是假的,比哈尔邦没有理由去造假新闻,此外,印度政府也核实了,也会从这个发现中受益,不仅对比哈尔农民,而且对印度农民也是个胜利。中国正面临严重的经济衰退,有贬低印度的政治和经济动机。

R Singh

This news is not a concoction as mentioned by the Chinese scientist who are hell bent on the destruction of India. The Chinese are always attacking Indian infrastructure, hacking security websites and all sort of nefarious activities against India. This claim by the Chinese is shameful. But then we cant expect much from them who kills its own citizens in cold blood with tanks.

这个新闻并非中国科学家所说的是编造的,他们是执意要摧毁印度。中国一直在攻击印度基础设施,侵入印度安全网站,还有从事各种邪恶的反印活动。中国人的声明是可耻的。然而,他们既然会用坦克残忍地杀害自己的人民,我们就不能对其抱过多指望。

Shalu Sharma

This is not the first time, Bihar has experimented with hybrid rice. China is getting nervous because India is making big progress in the field of rice production.

这不是头一次了,比哈尔邦一直在搞杂交水稻试验。印度在水稻产量方面取得巨大进步,中国紧张兮兮的。

Ragini Bhatiya

India needs to hit back at China and support the Tibetan cause. China has no moral right to say what it says most of the time. Its the failures of our own government that has allowed to escalate the matter. We should hit China where it really hurts, its human rights record.

印度该反击中国,支持藏人的事业。中国大多数时候说话缺乏道德。任凭此事升级是我们政府的失败。中国哪里痛,我们就要打哪里,也就是人泉记录。

Mubuku

It can not be fake; I am 100% sure of that. Whenever Bihar achieves something, people conspire against Bihar and claim that it is fake! People are just jealous of Bihar and its achievements. Long live Bihar and Bihariyat.

不可能是假的,我敢100%肯定。每当比哈尔邦取得了一些成就,人们就密谋反对比哈尔邦,说那是造假的!其实,人们是在嫉妒比哈尔邦及其成就。比哈尔邦万岁。

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Shalu Sharma


I agree with you. Biharis evoke hate and lot of jealousy not only in India but around the world. We Biharis need to be united and fight for our rights.


我同意你的说法。比哈尔人不仅在印度,而且在全世界激起仇恨和嫉妒。我们比哈尔人需要团结起来,为我们的权利而奋斗。



RAJKUMAR SINGH

Proverb is ..... There is nothing straight about Chinese ,except their hair :) .Bihar Disregard..... and proceed !

有句俗话......除了头发之外,中国人没有什么东西是直的 :) 比哈尔邦该无视它.....继续前进!

Shalu Sharma


Exactly sir. Well said.


完全正确,先生,说得好。



以下几条评论来自《印度教徒报》网站:


原文标题:Bihar’s claim of rice record ‘fake,’ says top China scientist
原文链接:http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/other-states/bihars-claim-of-rice-record-fake-says-top-china-scientist/article4439924.ece?homepage=true



Ravindra Rao
Dr. Yuan has asked a very pertinent question: how could the numbers
be confirmed after the harvesting had been done? That is the correct
scientific approach. Any claim of this type should be able to
withstand scientific scrutiny; only then can we try and use these
methods extensively.

What do our own agricultural scientists have to say about such
fantastic yields?

袁博士提了一个非常中肯的问题:既然水稻已经收获了,又如何能确认其产量?这是正确的科学探讨。任何此类的声明都应该经得住科学审查。只有这样,我们才能大量使用这些方法。

对如此不可思议的产量,我们的农业科学家有什么要说的吗?

Sahir
You know Mr Longpin, i don't blame you for your disbelief in the
official certification- you are a Chinese after all. You are judging
India's claim because you know that half of the Chinese ones are
concocted lies. But here is a news for you. We are a
loud,argumentative democracy with little official capability to pull
such types of tricks. In here every claim by the government is met
with howling protests by the opposition. That's their first reaction.
And trust me Bihar has some of the most Machiavellian politicians who
have poked holes into a claim by the incumbent. It pains to have your
record broken, please accept my sympathies.

袁隆平先生,你不相信官方认证,我并不怪你,毕竟你是中国人。你知道一半的中国人会编造谎言,所以对印度做这样的判断。不过有一个消息要告诉你:我们是一个吵闹、爱争辩的民主国家,官方没有多大能力耍这样的花招。政府的每个声明都会遭受反对党的咆哮抗议,这是他们的第一反应。相信我,比哈尔邦有一些最会不择手段的政客,他们会戳穿现任者的说法。你的记录被打破,所以感到痛苦,请接受我的同情。

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Kartikeya
Yes. It is in our interest too to verify the veracity of this claim. If it's true, then we'd
have conclusively proved to the world our potential in agriculture. If it's false, then the
persons responsible for this falsification should be brought to the book. Science is
science, whether in India or in China.

是的,验证这个声明的真实性也符合我们的利益。如果是真的,那么我们向世界证明了我们在农业方面的潜力;如果是假的,那么造假的人应该被绳之以法。不管是在印度还是在中国,科学就是科学。

Arvind
The Chinese scientist needs to learn to observe. Just making blanket statements
without visiting the site, and verifying the facts is unscientific.

I have witnessed bumper crops of various kinds grown and harvested without
artificial fertilizers and pesticides, but with natural manure.

中国科学家应该学会观察,未到现场参观和验证就发表笼统声明是不科学的。

我见证过各种农作物在不使用人造肥料和农药,而是使用自然肥料的情况下种植并获得大量收获。

以下是《国际在线》的编译:部分印度网友对袁隆平质疑印高产水稻表不满


转自:http://gb.cri.cn/42071/2013/02/22/6071s4028211.htm
三泰虎注:文中提到了原文的标题,三泰虎居然未在《印度时报》和《印度斯坦时报》找到出处


国际在线专稿:综合《印度时报》和《印度斯坦时报》2月22日消息,印度东北部比哈尔邦一位名叫苏曼特·库尔马(Sumant Kumar)的农民所种植的水稻产量达到每公顷22.4吨,约合每亩2986斤,打破了有中国“杂交水稻之父”之称的袁隆平的每公顷19.4吨的世界纪录。20日,袁隆平在接受采访时对此表示质疑,称那是“吹牛皮”。

袁隆平还表态:“明年收割前,我可以去实地验收。”对于袁隆平的评论,《印度时报》和《印度斯坦时报》分别以“中国科学家质疑印度水稻产量创世界纪录”(“Chinese scientist questions Indian's world record rice harvest”)和“中国科学家称印度水稻产量破纪录是‘120%吹牛皮’”(“Indian’s harvest claim ‘120% fake’, claims Chinese scientist”)为题发表文章。文章基本引用中国媒体刊出的袁隆平评论,没有媒体评判内容,而各国网友则反应不一。

一位名叫“Jai”的印度网友称,“印度当局已经核实了这件事情,袁隆平先生要相信我们政府。比哈尔邦有着比中国还要肥沃的土地。在用有机和科学手段进行农业种植后,得到这一高产量是不足为奇的。自己的纪录被打破,袁隆平先生肯定很沮丧。他应该来比哈尔亲自检验一下。”

一位名叫“shantanu”的印度网友攻击袁隆平说:“只有骗子才能识别出另一个骗子”。

一位国籍不详的网友“a”称:“我认为这是一个科学性的问题。袁隆平只是提出了一个科学上的问题,我们不应该加入太多个人情绪在里面。‘特殊的声明要靠特殊的证据来证明’是常识。从这篇报道我们能看出几个问题。第一,如果一个农民能通过水稻强化栽培体系创造世界最高水稻产量,那世界上包括印度在内的科学家都在干些什么呢?第二,关于收割验证,让人信服的做法是按照严格的程序当时当地进行产量验证。第三,要报出一个有意义的产量,应该使用‘最小测量面积’,否则就是无意义的。如果你通过每平方米产量来测算每公顷产量,如此如此,这些都是没有意义的。第四,印度现在仍有超过4亿饥饿人口,印度政府能通过宣传这样一种栽培方式确保在其他地方同样高产吗?”

来自美国的网友“Sushil”称:“袁隆平可能是对的。这名印度农民的成功故事要靠下一年的产量验证来证实。”

另一位国籍不详的网友“khanji”留言说: “印度宝莱坞影片的高产量是假的,超级大国之说是假的,GDP产量数据是假的。印度的一切都是假的!”(苏子初)

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