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印媒:印度新组建的山地打击军不是解放军的对手

2013-07-20 00:45 55个评论 字号:

印度人评论解放军的实力。三泰虎7月20日译文,据印媒报道,作为不进一步恶化脆弱的中印关系的努力的一部分,印度也许不会在阿邦部署计划中的山地打击军主力。然而,军方消息同时指出在靠近实际控制线的地方部署进攻部队主力是不明智的策略。计划组建的部队将是印度第四打击军,也是印度首支具有山地作战能力的进攻性部队。然而,这支部队的作战能力决不可能比得上中国部队,能够应用的基础设施也比实控线另一边更弱。

译文来源:三泰虎 http://bbs.santaihu.com
外文标题:India’s new mountain corps can’t match China’s military capabilities across LAC
外文地址:http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Indias-new-mountain-corps-cant-match-Chinas-military-capabilities-across-LAC/articleshow/21148212.cms

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NEW DELHI: India may not place any major component of the proposed mountain strike corps in Arunachal Pradesh as part of an effort not to further aggravate the tenuous ties with China. Army sources, however, also point out that militarily too it won’t be a wise strategy to place any key component of the offensive arm close to the line of actual control (LAC).

The proposed corps would be India’s first offensive corps with mountain warfare capabilities and the fourth strike corps. However, by no means would it match China’s aggressive military capabilities and infrastructure across the LAC.

The proposal for raising the strike corps has been hanging fire for the past several years, and had been delayed primarily because of financial considerations. Simultaneously, India is also trying to create a modern infrastructure close to the border, both for improving civilian connectivity and military movement.

作为不进一步恶化脆弱的中印关系的努力的一部分,印度也许不会在阿邦部署计划中的山地打击军主力。然而,军方消息也指出在靠近实际控制线的地方部署进攻部队主力是不明智的策略。

计划组建的部队将是印度第四打击军,也是印度首支具有山地作战能力的进攻性部队。然而,这支部队决不可能比得上中国进攻部队的军事能力,能够应用的基础设施也比实控线另一边更弱。

在过去几年,组建山地部队的计划一直悬而未决,主要是受财政困难所耽搁。与此同时,印度也试图在边境修建现代化的基础设施,旨在方便老百姓出行和加强军队的机动能力。

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The CCS, headed by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, on Wednesday approved the long-pending proposal of the Army to create its first mountain strike corps, meant for offensive operations across China border, at a budget of over Rs 64,000 crore in about seven years.

Terming as “pragmatic” the government’s decision to raise a mountain strike corps along the Chinese border, external affairs minister Salman Khurshid on Thursday said the country prepares for peace as much as for “tough” times.

“In national interest, we will do whatever needs to be done at the appropriate level. We work for peace as much as for tough times,” he said, adding that the government takes “steps whenever necessary”.

周三,以辛格总理为首的联合参谋部批准了军方长期以来悬而未决的组建首支山地打击军的计划,这支军队主要用于进入中国领土实施进攻作战。这个计划耗资6400亿卢比(约合659亿元人民币)、将历时7年完成。

印度外交部长库尔希德把政府沿着中国边界组建山地打击军的决定称为”务实“的,他说国家既为和平做准备,也在为”艰难“时期做准备。

”为了国家利益,我们会在适当的层面采取必要措施。我们既致力于和平,也为艰难时期做准备,“他补充说政府”必要时会采取措施“。

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Speaking on the sidelines of an art exhibition, he added, “We live in a world which combines principles with pragmatism … we also maintain a rational, decent balance in our policies.”

According to available indications, the government is not inclined to place any major component of the strike corps in Arunachal Pradesh, which China claims to be southern Tibet and a disputed territory. Indian activities in Arunachal have been touchy for China for long, and New Delhi wouldn’t want to create any further damage to its already tenuous ties with Beijing.

The tricky Arunachal issue could also be avoided because the Army wouldn’t be inclined to place any major component of the strike corps so close to the border. Formations of the corps would likely be based in West Bengal, Assam, Odisha and Jharkhand. In some of these states fresh land may have to be acquired, in other places the Army already has enough land to accommodate the new formations, sources said.

他是在在一次艺术展览会间歇说这番话的:”我们生活在一个原则和务实相结合的世界……我们也力图在政策上保持一种合理像样的平衡。“

从现有迹象来看,政府并不倾向于在阿邦部署山地部队主力。中国把阿邦称为藏南,声称其属存争议的领土。长期以来,印度在阿邦的活动容易令中国愤怒,新德里并不想对其与北京业已脆弱的关系造成进一步伤害。

棘手的阿邦问题可以得到避免,因为军方并不倾向于在太靠近边界的地区部署山地部队的主力,可能转而在西孟加拉邦、阿萨姆邦、奥里萨邦和贾坎德邦建立基地。在这些邦中,有些邦已经有足够的地方来容纳新的部队,有些则需要重新征地。

As of now the plan is to headquarter the corps at Panagarh in West Bengal, but a final decision would be taken after the government sanction comes through.

The corps would have two infantry divisions trained in mountain warfare, one air defence brigade, two artillery brigades, one each engineering and aviation brigades. While the artillery brigades could be looking at inducting ultra light howitzers, the aviation brigade could boast of attack helicopters and Boeing’s heavy lift helicopter Chinooks.

In recent years, India has been making steady efforts to improve its military capability along the LAC. Indian Army has already raised two new infantry divisions at Lekhapani and Missamari in Assam in recent times.

眼下,计划中的山地打击军司令部初步定于西孟加拉邦巴纳格尔,经政府批准后才会最终定案。

山地打击军将拥有两个熟悉山地战的步兵师、一个防空旅、两支炮兵旅以及工兵旅和航空旅各一支。炮兵旅有望装备超轻型榴弹炮,航空旅可能拥有攻击性直升机和波音重型运输机支奴干。

最近几年,印度一直在做出努力,稳步提高实控线沿线的军事能力,印军近期已经在阿萨姆邦的莱哈帕尼和密萨马利组建了两支步兵师。

以下是印度网民的评论:

译文来源:三泰虎 http://bbs.santaihu.com/thread-6910-1-1.html

The Assassin (Pakistan)
India’s new mountain corps can’t even match Pakistan’s military capabilities across LAC and LOC….Let alone China….HAHAHAHAHA
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印度的新山地部队连巴基斯坦边防部队的军事能力都比不过,跟别提中国的了….哈哈

Deepak KS (Location) replies to The Assassin
We dont want to match China or Pakistan anyway. The two most disliked society and country of the world
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我们并不想去与中国或巴基斯坦比,它们是世界上最不受欢迎的国家。

Sri Hari (India)
diplomatic approach is a must at present. Congress style of approach to chine will be a big trouble for India. No action when it is required.
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目前,外交手段是必须的。国大党与中国打交道的方式将会给印度带来很大麻烦,必要时并未采取行动。

Gopi Krishna (Unknown)
The Govt woke-up finally. Good start.
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政府最终清醒了,好的开始。

chd.mentorwaterexperts Man ()
Better to have something than nothing !! With time capabilities could be improved and made lethal , Govt. just needs strong will power and honesty on its part to recoginse Dragon Danger.
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有总比没有更好!随着时间的流逝,作战能力会提高的,届时能够给敌人以致命打击。政府必须具有坚强意志,诚实承认中国龙的威胁。

Pankaj (india)
The cops in India are neither given proper food nor proper training. And this is the reason they cannot match China’s military capabilities across LAC.
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印度警察既吃不好,也没有接受合理的训练,所以在实控线的作战能力比不过中国军队。

Gabbar Singh (USA) replies to Pankaj
The cops are for protecting locals , the army is for protecting the border.

警察是用于保护当地人的,军队是用于保卫边疆的。

Ome1 (Location) replies to Pankaj
Cops do civilian duty. We are talking if Indian Army, which is very well trained and is comparable to the best.

警察履行的是民事使命,我们现在说的是印度军队,后者训练有素,能够媲美世界上最棒的军队。

Pawan Yadav (Gurgaon, Haryana)
Its true BUT if we will be taking such steps in future much earlier then we will be able to do so . this decision was taken several years later after its initial proposal so if we want to compete with china then we will have to take decisions much more faster .
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这是事实,如果我们以后决策快些,我们将会比得过。这个提议几年前就提出来了,现在才定下来。如果我们想与中国竞争,那么必须大大加快决策速度。

Amit Chatterjee (Kolkata)
It is axiomatic that the Indian effort will fall short of Chinese capabilities. However, why should Chinese sensibilities dictate our defence policies when China is itself the adversary ?

印军比不过中国军队是不言自明的。然而,既然中国是敌手,为什么我们的国防政策要考虑中国人的敏感性?

itisabhishek (NYC)
We can’t match China anywhere forget military front
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别提军事方面,其实我们任何方面都比不过中国。

Morgan (Australia) replies to itisabhishek
Actually India is about to overtake China in 2025…. in population.
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印度人口到2025年就要超过中国了……

Deepak (Bangalore)
I think its more of a media hype to unnecessarily bring China into the picture and stoke tensions!. Indian media is extremely childish type when reporting sensitive things!.
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媒体不必要地把中国牵扯进来是为了炒作,目的是加剧紧张局势!印度媒体在报道敏感事情时总是非常幼稚!

kishorethakrar3 thakrar (uk)
Would not like to comment on delicate issue except hope that unlike Nehru & Krishna Menon, the country is not exposed with its pants down like 1962?
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不想对敏感话题给予置评,只是希望国家不会像1962年尼赫鲁和梅农领导时那样输得脱裤

Tomorrow Never Dies (Germany)
yes.. Indian forces can only kill innocents in Kashmir and North east.. the recent one being the killing of 6 innocents there! Opening fire on unarmed is nothing but cowardice!!! The Indian forces wet their pants on seeing the Chinese powerful aggressive army!
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印度军队也就只剩在克什米尔和东北邦滥杀无辜平民的本事了…..最近一起事件杀了6名无辜者!向手无寸铁的无辜平民开枪是懦夫行为!印度军队一看到强大的中国进攻部队就会吓得尿裤子!

Hemal Gandhi (NJ)
68000 crores is less than 1 lac crore corruption in 2G scam.. we could have twice the troops than the propose with the looted money… but, problem in India is that no one wants to raise their voice..
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6800亿卢比要少于2G丑闻的1万亿…..用这笔钱可以组建两支军队……问题是没有人愿意为此发声。

Stan Furtado (London (UK))
chinese are far ahead in thinking, planning, and executing……. whereas indians are very poor in all these 3 aspects……. naturally indian new mountain corps cannot match chinese. military capabilities….
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中国人在思维、规划和执行方面遥遥领先…..印度人在这三个方面的表现都很差劲….所以印度新的山地部队的军事能力比不过中国军队就再自然不过了…….

bhonda (Delhi)
Strike force meant for countering chinese threat are to be stationed in WB, Orissa & Jharkhand? wht kind of counter measure is that??? By the time army moves from Orissa towards chinese border, Chinese army would have come 500km inside!!
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本来用于反制中国人威胁的,却部署在西孟加拉邦、奥德赛邦和贾坎德邦?这也叫反制?等到印度军队从奥德赛邦向中国边界开拔时,中国军队也许已经深入500公里了!!

blessings (NEW DELHI)
Indian flowers always bloom late. better late than never. jab jago tab savera . der se hi sahi akkal toh thikane pe aya. this is becoz, Our beloved think-tanks and policy makers are so obsessed with Pakistan that , they ignored the bigger threat across the northern border.
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印度人的花总是开得那么迟,不过迟开总比不开好……….我们的智囊和决策者老是迷恋巴基斯坦,以致于忽略了东北边界更大的威胁。

Paul (India)
India is way behind than China in military technology as well as count…………Our country is ruled by bunch of selfish fools……………Thank “God”, He place Himalayas between India and China………….otherwise they wud have raped us by now……………….take a look at chindi chor country like pakistan…..even they have dared to attack us in past…….think abt that what china wud have done…………
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印度不仅军事技术远远落后中国,而且军队人数也要少很多……我们国家被一群自私的傻瓜统治着……..感谢上帝,他让喜马拉雅山横亘在印度和中国之间,否则他们早就强奸我们了……看看巴基斯坦,就连他们也胆敢进攻我们…….想象一下,要是换成中国会怎么样…….

CANDID R. (PLB)
It is good we wake up from the slumber before it is too late.
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为时已晚前,我们终于从沉睡中醒来,这是好事!

BC Menon (Alappuzha)
It is people’s mind set that shall be taken into account. In Nineteen Sixties the mighty US has to retreat from smaller and economically weaker nation Vietnam unable to face the strong will power of Vietnamese. If we give much value to the sovereignty and integrity of our Nation and as one man army, no force on earth how might they may be can defeat us under any circumstances. For this to happen, we need leaders like Sardar Patel, the Iron Man of India.
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人民的意志应该考虑进来。1960年代,面对越南人民的坚强意志,强大的美国灰溜溜地从经济弱国越南撤退。如果我们重视主权和领土完整,那么在任何情况下,世界上没有哪支军队可以打败我们。为此,我们需要印度铁人萨达尔那样的领导人。

Ramesh Sargam (Unknown)
Are we not exposing our army’s weaknesses to our enemies by publishing these types of stories?
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我们发表这样的报道,难道没有把我们军队的弱点暴露给敌人吗?

Tiger (New Delhi)
Is it wise to have such sensitive national securities issues discussed so openly in the media ? Why not have the media send an e mail to the Chinese Army chief with all these details and comments, to save their intelligence allocating resources in this regard ?
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涉及国家安全的如此敏感问题拿到媒体上讨论是否明智?为什么不叫媒体给中国军队参谋长发去一封邮件,把一切细节和评论透露给他们,这样可以节省他们在情报方面的开销。

sd (sd)
Why is china so predatory ?
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为什么中国如此掠夺成性?

Hemal Gandhi (NJ)
avoid buying Chinese products in India and you will be able to match in less than 5 years..
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只要拒绝购买中国货,印度5年后就能匹敌他们了。

ekdesi (USA)
You may not match now, but you have to start building the capability one day to match someday in future.
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也许现在打不过,但你得开始打造这个能力,未来总有一天能比得上的。

ramka ()
Frankly and True speaking-If there is war between China and India-China can finish India in 2 hrs in all respect.
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坦白说,如果中印开战,中国两小时就能解决印度。

SGSGSGSG ()
Why should India be afraid of placing military near LAC? In fact the border has to be secured.

为什么印度害怕在实控线附近部署军队?边界总得要守吧。

J Kakoti (Golaghat)
at least that will give some time for UN to intervene!
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(这样做)至少可以给联合国一些干预时间!

PRADEEP DEO (Sharjah)
First of all , do not now why our Govt is apologetic about ” further aggravating tenuous ties ” with China….Security of our Nation is the most important thing…. Do the Chinese have such consideration of our sensitivities ???? In the name of pragmatism , why are we always on the receiving side ????
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首先,不知道政府为何要为”进一步恶化中印脆弱关系“道歉,…..国家安全是最重要的,中国人有考虑我们的敏感性吗?为什么我们总是以务实的名义而处于接收方?

ALI GHIAS ()
“The might of China is in no way comparable to India.The entire mountain corps will be wiped out by China in just one day.Just waste of Money.
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中国实力决不是印度可以比得上的。中国不消一天功夫就可以消灭整支山地军,所以纯粹是浪费钱。

Manoj Sharma (New Delhi) replies to ALI GHIAS
carton in 1962 war India had 3500 casualty but managed to kill 2600 Chinese too !! think before you write .. its no easy task to take on 1.3 million Army with missiles and Atom bombs….keep your garbage ideas to yourself porki Agent!
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1962年中印战争期间,印度伤亡3500人,但也成功杀死了2600名中国士兵!写之前要学会思考!挑战用导弹和原子弹武装起来的130万印度军队决不是简单的任务…….

Observer (LAC) replies to Manoj Sharma
Do you know how many jawans surrendered without a fight? 3,968, including a general.

你知道有多少印度士兵不战而降吗?3968人,其中包括一位将军!

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  2. 659亿RMB建个边防部队,太少了,乘10吧,659亿也就够耗几年,建议印度同时加大整体国防开支10倍,更多采购欧美俄武器, 加大征兵人数至三军人数去到800W.:razz:

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  4. 我想问问,现在通往藏南的通道怎么样??我看了谷歌地球上,显示好像都被大雪山阻断了啊~!地势对他们是很有利的??

    • 当然对他们有利,每年冬季大雪封山时就我们这边无法通行,到达墨脱县城都很困难。每年有半年的时间墨脱县与中国其他部分隔绝。不过现在好像在修隧道,修好了就可以全年通车了

    • 此言差已,什么叫吃点饱饭,中国有11%的人生活在国际贫困线以下,印度有56%的人生活在国际贫困线以下,超过半数了。中国营养不良的儿童几乎没有,印度营养不良的儿童也超过了半数,中国再落后的地区基本上也普及了高中教育,印度还有26%的文盲。厕所应该是人民生活最基本的需求吧,根本没有中国人会担心无厕所上,这放在任何国家都应该是天经地义的事,可偏偏有个叫印度的国家有很多人因为没有厕所而发愁。这种生活也叫吃了点饱饭 🙁 吗!压根就没吃饱过好吧!贫穷、落后、未开化才是真正的超级大国印度!

      • 阿三的精神力和忍耐力是很高的,放在游戏中属于暗金级,相信肉身在世就是为了受苦,不会为了吃饱饭而去改变周围的世界。

  5. 7.19 老马午聊投及印度
      
    ●中印边境的印度军力并不全都针对中国,其中相当一部分是为了打击北面一些邦的分离势力和反政府武装。
      
    ●高原养兵成本很高,财力是一个问题。
      
    ●兵力不等于战力,印度军队内部一些高种姓的军官还带着自己的“家奴兵”,这在世界军队中绝对是一个奇葩。
      
    ●印度军队中战斗力强的是锡克族的人,其他族的战斗力不敢恭维特别是一些土邦的矮黑人。

  6. 我很想知道。。。。印度人一直在说只要拒绝中国货。几年神马之类的。要么中国自己崩溃。要么就是他们快速的超过中国。。我他吗就想问你一句,你有脑子么?中国只在印度有投资和贸易关系?

  7. 印度黑鬼总在叫嚷抵制中货中国就会怎样,真是笑话,中国是他最大的贸易伙伴,他只是中国第10大贸易伙伴而已,每年只有不到700亿美元的贸易额。要知道光中美贸易额就5000多亿,更别说还有欧洲、日本、韩国、澳洲、巴西这都是与中国有巨大贸易额的国家远胜中印贸易额的几倍,再说了中国还有比印度庞大的多的排名世界第二的国内市场,所以,印度黑鬼太把自己的小市场当回事了。你只是我们的第十而已

  8. 中国的驻藏部队,才是真正的高原部队。 吃住训练都在青藏高原。

    印度的山地打击军就是个伪命题。你印度方面训练的再好,到了西藏会不会有高原反应??

  9. 煽动民粹对他们有什么好好处,我实在想不出,难道就是为了转移P民的注意力?减少对国内环境的抱怨?

  10. 淡定,你们太激动了,个个都喊开战,要打早打了,再说三哥就是嘴炮,你又不是第一天才知道?好像中国人对印度人有某种说不出的优越感,就好像日本人对中国人一样,所以说话打嘴炮起来,有一种优越感,总觉得自己不会败一样。 💡

    • 几千军警让十几个恐怖分子打得抬不起头,警察指挥官被当场击毙不说…最后恐怖分子还跑了三个,说实话,天朝有点优越感太正常了

  11. 如果像美国一样给自己觉得敌对的国家内部一些势力武装起来,我想印度会更头疼……中国那么多待销毁的武器垃圾送给他们,会不会让印度军警更无助啊?