原文题目:Are ties between 'best friends' Pak-China souring?


Pakistan and China are disagreeing over whether Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani has given the Chinese a gift, an entire naval base at the mouth of the Persian Gulf.

The New York Times described this as a "bump" in relations between the two "best friends". Gilani has previously said that the two friends "are like one nation and two countries".



We have asked our Chinese brothers to please build a naval base at Gwadar," Paksitan's Defence Minister Chaudhry Ahmad Mukhtat, told journalists, last week.

This week, however, China's Foreign Ministry spokeswoman, Jiang Yu, said there was no such deal. "Regarding the specific China-Pakistan cooperative project that you raised, I have not heard of it. It's my understanding that during the visit last week this issue was not touched upon," she said.



The Times spoke to experts who tried to explain the discrepancy. "Maybe there were some discussions between the two sides when Gilani was up in China last week, bearing on some kind of future Chinese stewardship of the port," said Michael Kugelman, a South Asia scholar at the Woodrow Wilson International Center in Washington.

"Maybe there was some speculative discussion. Perhaps the defence ministry simply got its signals wrong," he said.



Other experts pointed out that Pakistan's announcement may have been an attempt to send a message to Washington that Islamabad had other friends and options. Relations between Islamabad and Washington have further deteriorated after a raid by United States Navy SEALs killed terror mastermind Osama bin Laden in the Abbottabad.



Fooling the world In the name of Alqaeda
by Whiteman on May 28, 2011 03:57 PM

Gilani or any of the pakistani counterparts specialise in sweet talking in china so that they get good reception and undercover massages from chinese beauties. One wrong message and entire courtesy is downgraded by the chinese. The bitter truth is that china needs to sell its arms via pakistan to underworld, fugitives, arms traders, rogue nations & warlords. China makes huge margins through this illegitimate trading worth hundred billions that is shared by the military chiefs in china rather than contribute to china treasury.

For Pakistan military & ISI, its not only getting commission, but also aids to cover the illegal trade of human trafficking & drugs to warlords which helps the chiefs & officials to get richer. On top of that Pakistan military & ISI have mastered the art of fooling americans. The latest being hiding Osama in safe paradise near Islamabad in all luxury while informing the americans that he is hiding in the mountains of afghanistan. They had even provided him with wives & kids so that he can enjoy while they continued to make money in Osama's name.

The poor soul died, while the truth is that the bombing of WTC on Sept 11 was stage managed by the ISI itself in the name of Osama & Al Qaeda. Nevertheless we have to admire the intelligence of the ISI that managed to fool not only western countries but their own people for decades. Even today they continue killing their own cou




by Atul Narain on May 28, 2011 03:56 PM

Obviously its only a marriage of convenience and not 'true love'.
It will be easy for the US and/or India to recreate the mujahideen of 80s to fight the Godless commies in Pakistan. I think thats why
the US continues to pamper Pakistan. Religious Pakistan will be used by US to fight China
in the future.



secret chinese conspiracy
by manoj on May 27, 2011 09:54 PM

china knows that its biggest threat will be from the jihadis trained and supported by pak.
china is trying to fool pak by acting like a friend, only to push out USA from pak.
once USA is away, China will simply nuke the terrorist training camps in pak.



Re: secret chinese conspiracy
by Ramesh M on May 27, 2011 10:02 PM
I only worry..when China nukes those camps..but those nukes being Made in China..would burst midway somewhere in the indian territory! god forbid that should never happen


A tie with a commie
by Rupakshi on May 27, 2011 05:46 PM

Commie ties do not mean any thing. Pak is strategically located. The Pakis gave 1/3 of their held Kashmir as a gift to China. China is a land grabbing commie nation. In political arena particularly commiism will have no principles. The only counter the muz nation of Pak also has no ethics or principles. So their no ethics is the only bond keeping them as friends. Where is bond ever to break any way.


Re: A tie with a commie
by manoj on May 27, 2011 09:55 PM
i hope china will grab entire pak.


Re: Re: A tie with a commie
by Ramesh M on May 27, 2011 10:05 PM
that cant grab entire pak..its very hard for them to live with such a trouble!


It is to keep the world guessing
by IMTIAZ KHAN on May 27, 2011 05:07 PM

One statement by Pakistan and another by China, is typically a case of keeping the rest of the world guessing.

The Chinese trying to build a Naval Base at Gwadar is not news, it has been in the making for a very long time.

A substantial portion of Chinese crude imports flow thru the Malacca Strait and the Chinese are circumspect that this movement will be challenged by US forces in the event of a stand off between the two in the South China.To overcome this, the Chinese are building a Naval base at Gwadar housing a large task force of the PLA Navy to oversee the Persian Gulf.

They simultaneously will be building a pipeline from Gwadar, traversing the whole of Pakistan, then thru the Karakoram ranges moving into China thru Xinjiang. That will not only reduce the cost of transportation but secure Chinese energy imports. The Chinese are further dovetailing this by extending the Karakoram Highway till Gwadar already linking Khasghar in Xinjiang to Islamabad.

This article of souring relations between China and Pakistan is erroneous.






Re: It is to keep the world guessing
by trader on May 27, 2011 06:03 PM
China is supporting beggar pakistana and pumping villions into pakistan,giving it readymade missiles,readymade nukes only to counter India!!china knows that India is buch better than China not only in terms of spirituality but in every aspect!!As India is catching up China very fast although it started Reform process 12 years later than China,China is investing in countries like Pakistan and to lesser extent in Sr Lanka,Nepal,Bangladesh,myanmar Maldives etc!!

India needs to realise and call Spade a spade and act on destabikising the China-Pak relations!!also it should open channesl with Chinese taipei and japan,Russi - as it is not in love with china's growth!!Enemy should be given back in his own terms and he will understand better than just pronouncing "panchsheel"!!



Re: Re: It is to keep the world guessing
by IMTIAZ KHAN on May 27, 2011 06:50 PM

Trader : The predominant Asian trait is to have plenty of patience and tire out the adversary. If China has the trait, then as Asians we too have it in aplenty.
We will eventually give back the Chinese, but it seems the GOI's strategic thought is to wait till an implosion grips China.

Unofficial estimates say that there are more than 100,000 anti govt protests in China each year. A recent article in The Times of India by a security analyst says China spends more on internal security than on defence.

Tibet and Xinjiang remain disturbed. Both these provinces constitute 35% of Chinese land mass but only 5% of the population. Their separation from China would create a huge buffer them and us - which is what we want. It will also ensure Chinese do not control most big rivers which begin in Tibet and flow into India. The Karakoram Highway will become irrelevant with the Karakoram highlands going away. Couple this with the separation of Baluchistan - Gwadar gone and the highway impotent.

I think we should wait a while before the GOI acts, diplomatic gains cannot happen overnight. Moreover, we dont want a hot conflict with China and the Tibetans are poor fighters - so it would be futile to arm them. Effectively the GOI is bidding time for an opportunity to strike.





Re: Re: Re: It is to keep the world guessing
by panda1969@rediffmail.com on May 27, 2011 09:24 PM

Have you been to Tibet , Xinjiang or other places in China ?Can you read Chinese?


Re: Re: Re: Re: It is to keep the world guessing
by IMTIAZ KHAN on May 28, 2011 09:40 AM
Panda you are a real Panda


Re: It is to keep the world guessing
by vikas sethi on May 27, 2011 05:53 PM
you are right Imtiaz. Either china is not openly accepting the offer or has not yet made up its mind on operating the Naval base as it puts it in direct confrontation with US that has a presence both in Pak & Afghan.

New York times is a pro govt paper and is probably fingering on behalf of the govt hoping something more on this can be revealed by Paki or Chinese officials.

China is not prone to empty bluster like its all weather friend Pak which in fact is bluster and only bluster.




Re: Re: It is to keep the world guessing
by IMTIAZ KHAN on May 27, 2011 06:52 PM
Vikas : It is difficult to believe the Chinese have not made up their mind. They are head strong and masters of deceit. They will play their cards and we our own. This cat and mouse game of international powerplay will go on. For results : possibly one has to wait a lifetime.


pakis are untrustable
by nethaji rajendran (View MyPage) on May 27, 2011 05:02 PM | Hide replies

No one can trust this nation as they dont know what is trust. they can sell any thing to create unrest in India.


Ramesh M
Re: pakis are untrustable
by Ramesh M (View MyPage) on May 27, 2011 10:09 PM
Its not a nation anymore. Its a territory being ruled by so called governement,but the laws of the land are dictated by lawless groups ..each of which has a terrorist as a head.


Which side of pak, china will make friendship
by satyarthi (View MyPage) on May 27, 2011 04:05 PM | Hide replies

pakistan is divided midway by river sindhu. The people of both sides are against each other. In case it is divided, it will be difficult for china to take side.


Re: Which side of pak, china will make friendship
by rajendra K (View MyPage) on May 27, 2011 09:08 PM
Pakistanis Do not understnd that. They think Religion makes nation. We had problem from that side sindhu since time of Rigveda. When Bhrugus lost the war they Moved into that side of Sindhu river.

巴基斯坦人并不那么认为。他们认为宗教组成国家。自从梨俱吠陀时代,我们在信度河这边出现问题。当Bhrugus 战败后,他们搬到信度河另一边。

Pak-China souring?
by MURALI DHARAN (View MyPage) on May 27, 2011 03:51 PM | Hide replies

This is bound to happen because of sour in Pakistan-USA relationship () At this stage NO person with 6th sense will go closer to pakistan


by ramanathan subramaniam (View MyPage) on May 27, 2011 03:51 PM | Hide replies

Pokis are real beggars. Just maater of time when will start kicking them


by SAM KIM on May 27, 2011 03:50 PM

US supported and bedded with pak for quite long time and in turn US got back in kind with 9/11 attack.
Same way china is bedding with pak and one day china too will have too have to be ready to face the concequences. pak is like a snake, nations shd not feed this snake. never know when it will bite back!



no they are not...
by Chengiiz Khan (View MyPage) on May 27, 2011 03:33 PM | Hide replies

no they are not...

pakistan satisfied recently US and now its chinas' turn to get some pleasure.



Re: Re: no they are not...
by Chengiiz Khan (View MyPage) on May 27, 2011 03:47 PM
india is like a old age home .. where this aged torn and used pakistan will come back at the end!!

thats for sure !!!



Re: Re: Re: no they are not...
by trikarn (View MyPage) on May 27, 2011 04:15 PM
problem is that we are not sure it would do us any good
imagine hvinga maniac/psychpath killer in your bedroom


Re: Re: no they are not...
by abacha (View MyPage) on May 27, 2011 03:46 PM
India already satisfied in 1971.


Re: no they are not...
by KASHINATH PAUL (View MyPage) on May 27, 2011 03:40 PM
This is amazing and so far the best thinking I do believe !!


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