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印媒对比中印航母:印度航母遥遥无期,中国航母迈步向前

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中印航母对比:印度航母遥遥无期,中国航母迈步向前。印度常将自己视为地区超级大国,却没有一艘航母在公海上航行。唯一现役航母维拉特号为了能够继续服役3到4年而进行重大改装,已经停转了数月。尽管印度洋已经成为中印之间新的战略要地,然而印度政治及军事机构缺乏长期的规划和及时的决策,致使印度海军要部署两支强大航母战斗群的希望破灭。相比之下,中国在这一领域迈开了巨大的步伐。去年,自第一艘航母“辽宁”号开始服役后,中国还急于建造更多航母以进一步扩张其“蓝海战略”。

译文来源:三泰虎 http://www.santaihu.com
原文标题:India without aircraft carrier as China takes huge strides
原文链接:http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/India-without-aircraft-carrier-as-China-takes-huge-strides/articleshow/18821426.cms

印度海军现役的维拉特号航母

NEW DELHI: India may fancy itself as a regional superpower but does not have an aircraft carrier prowling on the high seas. Its solitary carrier, the 54-year-old INS Viraat, is out of action for several months once again for a major refit to ensure it can soldier on for another three to four years.

Despite the Indian Ocean having emerged as the new strategic theatre between India and China, the Indian politico-military establishment’s lack of long-term planning and timely decision-making has all but dashed the Navy’s long-standing ambition to deploy two potent carrier battle groups (CBGs).

新德里:印度常将自己视为地区超级大国,却没有一艘航母在公海上航行。唯一有54年历史的航母维拉特号为了能够确保继续服役3到4年而进行重大改装,已经停转了数月。

尽管印度洋已经成为中印之间新的战略要地,然而印度政治及军事机构缺乏长期的规划和及时的决策,致使印度海军要部署两支强大航母战斗群(CBG)的希望破灭。

China, in contrast, is taking huge strides in the arena. After last year’s commissioning of its first carrier, the 65,000-tonne Liaoning, Beijing is furiously engaged in building more to further expand its “blue-water operations”.

If China sees aircraft carriers as “symbols of a great nation”, the US has realized their role in projecting power around the globe for long. As part of its pivot towards Asia-Pacific, at least six of the 11 American CBGs will be deployed in the region. Incidentally, each US carrier is over 94,000 tonne and capable of handling 80-90 fighters.

相比之下,中国在这一领域迈开了巨大的步伐。去年,自第一艘航母、65000吨的“辽宁”号开始服役后,中国还急于建造更多航母以进一步扩张其“蓝海战略”。

如果中国把航母视为“大国的标志”,美国则早就依赖航母在全球投送力量。作为重返亚太的战略之一,美国11个航母战斗群中至少6个会部署在亚太地区。顺便说下,美国每艘航母排水量超过94000吨,能够搭载80-90艘战机。

But the Indian Navy is continuing to flog an old warhorse because of huge delays in other carrier projects. One, Russia will deliver INS Vikramaditya, or the 44,570-tonne Admiral Gorshkov refurbished for $2.33 billion, only by December at the earliest, a good two decades after India first showed interest in it.

Two, Navy will not get its hands on the 40,000-tonne indigenous aircraft carrier (IAC) being built at Cochin Shipyard anytime before 2018. The follow-on 65,000-tonne IAC-II still remains a mere pipedream.

由于其他航母项目的严重延迟,印度海军只好继续驱使唯一的一艘老旧不堪的航母。俄罗斯将最早于今年12月向印方交付排水量4.457万吨的“维克拉马蒂亚”号,或者说是戈尔什科夫上将号航母,且翻新费已经涨到了23.3亿美元,距离印度首次对该航母表示出兴趣已经足足二十年。

印度在2018年前将无法获得正在科钦造船厂制造的排水量4万吨的国产航母,而另外一艘6.5万吨级的航母仍是一个空幻的梦想。

Sources say the 28,000-tonne INS Viraat, the second-hand HMS Hermes inducted by India in May 1987, is currently undergoing “a normal refit” that takes at least eight to nine months. In the first phase at the Kochi dockyard, the 13-storey high warship is undergoing “hull and other underwater work”. Next in Mumbai, the ship will get its boilers, propulsions and other technical parts overhauled.

“The plan was to operate INS Viraat, whose keel was laid in 1944, for only 10 years after 1987. But fund crunches, protracted negotiation and consequent refit of Gorshkov and huge delays in launching the IAC project has meant INS Viraat has to be kept running,” said a source.

消息人士称,印度排水量2.8万吨、1987年服役的维拉特号航母前身是二手的“竞技神”号航母,目前正在进行“正常改装”,需要至少8到9个月。这艘13层楼高的战舰第一阶段在科钦造船厂进行“船体和其他水下工作”,下一阶段会在孟买对锅炉、推进器和其他技术部件进行彻底检修。

据一位消息人士称,1944年铺下龙骨的维拉特号本打算在1987年后服役10年,但资金吃紧、持久的谈判、戈尔什科夫号随后的改装以及国产航母的严重推迟,意味着维拉特号航母不得不持续运转。

INS Viraat has undergone a series of refits, with the last major life-extension one being in 2008-2009. With age, it has also lost most of its teeth. The Navy now has only 11 Sea Harrier jump-jets available to operate from its deck, with no replacement of the fighters possible.

The irony is that while INS Viraat has just a few fighters left, India is progressively inducting 45 MiG-29K fighters, ordered from Russia for over $2 billion, meant for INS Vikramaditya though the carrier itself is still awaited. In effect, India will have two effective CBGs only when INS Vikramaditya and IAC can operate together some time after 2018.

维拉特号航母已经进行过一系列改装,最近的一次大的延寿改装是在2008-2009年。随着年龄的增长,该航母已经失去了大多数“牙齿”,印度海军只有11架海鹞飞机能够从甲板起飞展开行动,没有其他可供更换的战机。

令人讽刺地是虽然维拉特号只剩下一些战机,但印度以20多亿美元积极引入45架购自俄罗斯的米格-29k战机,计划提供给“维克拉马蒂亚”号航母使用,不过该航母本身还在等待中。实际上,只有“维克拉马蒂亚”号和国产航母在2018年之后后同时服役,印度才算是拥有两个真正的航母战斗群。

以下是印度网民的评论:

John From Goa (Goa)
India should invest in submarines, thats reply for aircraft carriers
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印度应该投资潜艇,这是对航母的回复。

Amar (AP)
If u elect Italian waitress for 10 years that’s what happens n even Pak doesn’t care India
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如果你选举意大利女侍者任职十年,这就是会发生的事情,连巴基斯坦都不在乎印度。

Kas (Delhi)
OUR PRIME MINISTER IS TOO WEAK AND PAKISTAN AND CHINA TAKING ADVANTAGE .
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我们的总理太软弱了,这点被巴基斯坦和中国利用了。

anilkhan.98 (Patna)
We paid a gazillion US dollars to the Russians for vikramaditya – an aircraft carrier that the soviet navy did not want. The price was raised several times while our Indian Navy Admiral overseeing the operation was busy engaged in inspecting a Russian lady younger than his daughter, while he should have keeping his eye on the work. (naval business, not Navel business). The entire defense procurement business is in a shambles set up to corrupt our military iofficers, and enriches our Nata/Babu complex. Privatize and Indigenize!! That is what the Chinese, French, USA, Britain, Sweden, Danes, etc have done . WHY DON’T WE?
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我们花一大笔美元向俄罗斯购买苏联海军不要的“维克拉马蒂亚”号航母,价格涨了好几次,我们在监管作业的海军上将忙着“检查”比他女儿还小的俄罗斯女郎,他本该是盯着工作的(海军业务,不是肚脐业务)。整个国防采购业务处于一片混乱中,腐蚀了我们的军官,富了我们的政客。私有化和国产化!这就是中国、法国、美国、英国、瑞典、丹麦等国所做的,为什么我们不可以?

ks (Bhopal)
China has increased its expenditure on defense by 10% and we r not even growing at half of that figure…
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中国国防开支增加了10%,我们连那个数据的一半都不到……

Amol (Mumbai)
Aircraft carriers are like old iron-clad battleships. They are slow moving sitting ducks to Air-attack and smart torpedoes. In all WW2 naval operations, Air-craft carriers were sunk by Air assult or torpedoes or both. Hence their utility as a effective platform against a modern Air-force is questionable. What India needs and must possess is a best Air, Space forces. Also India needs unmanned long range fighter drones and Ballistic nuclear submarines. Aircraft carriers can wait.

The author of this article clearly does not understand the strategic implications of each type of naval platforms and hence is giving undue importance to enemy capabilities. Ofcourse its a concern, which India must guard against, but also India must strive to build an effective coalition against a mighty and aggressive opponent.
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航母就像是旧的铁甲战舰,行动缓慢,在空袭和智能鱼雷面前就是活靶子。在二战的海战中,航母在空袭中被击沉,也被鱼雷击沉过。因此,将其作为对付现代空军的有效平台备受质疑。印度需要和必须拥有的是最棒的空军和航天部队。此外,印度需要远程无人机和弹道导弹潜艇。航母可以等一等。

本文作者明显未理解每一种海军平台的战略意义,过度重视了敌人的能力。当然,印度必须对此保持警惕,但也必须努力构建一个有效联盟,以对付强大和好斗的对手。

xxx (India) replies to Amol
How much US aircraft carriers were sunk in the last 50 years? Exactly, 0.
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在过去50年里,有多少艘美国航母被击沉?正好是0

Amol replies to xxx
In last 50 years, every war US has fought was with an inferior enemy (Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Taliban/AlQaida), expect the Soviet, with whom they never fought an actual “HOT” war. Hence to those with inferior defense forces, the Air-craft carrier seemed a mighty show of force. All that has now changed. In fact China itself showed the vulnerability of US Aircraft carriers to their “carrier-killer” missiles. I am sure, Indians too have such technology, but do not want to publicize. Loosing a Aircraft carrier battle group in war is like loosing an entire Army. So the question is, does India want to put all its eggs in one basket?
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在过去50年里,美国打的每一场战争的对手要逊一等(朝鲜、越南、伊拉克、塔利班和基地组织),苏联除外,美国和他们从来没有打一场实质上的“热战”。因此在较差的军队面前,航母似乎是强大的力量展示。一切已经改变了,中国已经通过航母“杀手锏”揭示了美国航母的脆弱性。我确信,印度人也有这样的技术,但不想公布。在战争中失去一支航母战斗群就像是失去一整支军队。所以问题是,印度想把所有鸡蛋放在一个篮子里?

Anil (India) replies to Amol
If India wants to patrol in the Chinese sea, Intervense in Bangladesh, Maledives or Sri Lanka or chase the Chinese away from Andaman aircarft carriers are a must. It is the only instrument from which aircraft can operate far from home base in order to refuel and reattack. BTW, these carriers have advanced radar that can detect incoming missiles which they can counter and for air attack the planes van handel themselves.
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如果印度想在中国南海巡逻,干涉孟加拉国、马尔代夫或斯里兰卡,或者将中国人从安达曼群岛驱逐,那么航母就是必须的。航母是唯一能从远离本土基地展开行动的装备,可以补给燃料和再次发起攻击。顺便说下,航母有配备先进雷达,可以探测和拦截来袭导弹,舰载机自身可以对付空袭。

Gaurav Tyagi (Banglore)
Digging their own grave… Socialist talks about feeding people first and buying arms second priority but with neighbors like Pakistan and China you needs weapons first… This weird attitude might cost India another war from China… China is increasing tension with every nation around her… Soon India will taste the same conflict…
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自掘坟墓……社会主义者说养活人民要优先,购买武器其次,但有巴基斯坦和中国这样的邻国,你就得先发展武器……这个奇怪的态度可能使印度和中国再次交战….中国与每个周边国家之间的局势在趋紧……印度很快会再次尝到冲突的滋味……

SEHGOL (GAWADAR)
Whatever floating junk India has, which can move on the sea must be renamed as INS ‘GHABRAHAT’. Something is at least better than nothing!
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不管印度有什么浮动的垃圾,能在海上移动的都必须重命名为“GHABRAHAT”,有总比没有好!

Congichor (Pune)
China’s defense budget up 10%, Indian politicians loot budget up 100% ! Who says we are lagging behind our figures are much higher so chill out guys.
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中国国防预算增加10%,印度政客的“掠夺预算”飙升100%!谁说我们落后了,我们的数据要高得多,冷静下来,各位。

rvijay (pimpri)
Indian navy is too backward
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印度海军太落后了。

Dilip (Hyderabad)
The Defence Ministry can conveniently blame Russia for the delay in delivering INS Vikramaditya; who does it plan to blame for the delay in the delivery of the Indigenous Aircraft Carrier?
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印度国防部可以将“维克拉马蒂亚”号航母的延迟交付简单地归咎于俄罗斯,那它打算把国产航母的延迟交付怪罪于谁?

Parikshit (Chennai)
Hahaha India is only good for second hand items! XD All thanks to our great politicians of our great great motherland India. Oh I love my country!

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哈哈,印度只适合用二手货!XD,一切要感谢伟大祖国印度的伟大政客。哦,我热爱我的国家!

Satpal Jabbal (UK)
Do we really need one ?
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我们真的需要航母吗?

Orgho (Calcutta)
Better we should compete with China in infrastucure development.
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我们最好和中国在基础设施发展上展开竞争。

Shivam Sahni (Tampa)
We Indians need to wake up to the reality if we are to make real progress. Stop calling India a superpower, It’s far from it !
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如果想要取得真正的进步,我们印度人就需要认清现实。别说印度是超级大国了,远没有到那个份上!

yashwanth (B-Lore)
the govt is procuring 2 aircraft carriers, which india will have by 2017. and one of the aircraft carriers india’s acquiring will be the biggest in asia, on top of that, china’s been modernizing its military much earlier than india, so of course they’ll be a head of us in military technology.
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政府采购2艘航母,印度在2017年就能拿到手,其中一艘将是亚洲最大的航母。另外,中国的军队现代化要比印度早得多,所以他们在军事技术上处在我们前头。

Ind (India)
The Aircraft carrier plans are being sabotaged to make India rely on foreign imports which give kickbacks to many Indian politicians, Navy personnell and scientists.

航母计划被破坏,致使印度依赖进口航母,许多印度政客、海军人员和科学家从中收了回扣。

ravi (mumbai)
quite a shallow analysis by pandit. India is operating an aircraft carrier for last 3 decades china is starting now. if we take that into account India has a large operational edeg over china to manage CBGs. Besides China would take at least a deacade to activate any credible defence CBGs in total. Addtionally in case of India ocean strategic matter pandit has large skipped political will part nicely. thereby making it as a one sided article. Till now Chinese defence spending was largely India centric with army taking chunk of budget. with additional focus on Japan.If the development of bluewater navy doctrine is concerned India would large advantage over china due to vairous roles on India Ocean and middle east operations. Additionally, another part of strategic parlances would be creating interoperability with other navies and making relations for joint operations as responsible power, where does china stands as of now?? over all article only slams indian defence prepardness and does not come out with any deeper analysis. Merely doing India china comprision would be futile if it is not done in totatlity.
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非常肤浅的分析。印度运作航母30年了,而中国才开始。如果把这个考虑进来,印度在航母战斗群的运作方面对中国有巨大优势。此外,中国至少需要十年才能让航母战斗群起作用。在印度洋战略事务上,作者很大程度上忽略了政治意志部分,文章因此变得片面。迄今为止,中国的国防开支主要围绕印度展开,军队耗去了大部分预算,日本只得到额外关注。如果考虑蓝水海军的发展,在印度洋和中东担当不同角色的印度对中国有巨大优势。此外,作为战略举措之一,印度和其他国家海军展开互动,通过联合演习建立关系,从而做一个负责任的大国,中国迄今在这方面处在何位置?总的说来,本文仅猛烈抨击印度国防准备不足,并未进行深刻分析。如果不是整体比较的话,那么简单地比较中印是徒劳的。

译文来源:三泰虎 http://www.santaihu.com

kotian (B’lore)
Why is Russia continously delaying delivery of the carrier. Is it influenced by other countries

为什么俄罗斯老是延迟交付航母,是否受到其他国家的影响?

kannan (chennai) replies to kotian
I think politicians commission not yet settled.

我想是政客的佣金没有谈妥。

WeThePeople (jamshedpur/delhi)
India need to develop long time strategies. Opportunistic politics and policies by Indian govt wont help us.
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印度应当制定长期战略。印度政府的机会主义政治和政策对我们没有帮助。

3333sachin (mumbai)
India as a Dumb Student have learned nothing since 1962 Indo-China war.
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印度是愚蠢的学生,自从1962年中印战争后就没学到任何东西。

Manoj Kumar (Delhi)
This news is merely meant to provoke India to increase its defense budget. India should not have any competition with China; we will do things according to our requirements, and not because China is doing it.
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本文意图煽动印度提高国防预算。印度不应该同中国竞争,要根据自身需求来做,别中国做什么,我们就要做什么。

Bharatiya (India)
A country is same as human body.. we cannot fight with others if we are ill.. India is suffering with a Cancer called congress.. Internal enemies should be removed first.. then only we can fight against external enemies.. I suggest kill corrupt politicians first.. clean up.. and move ahead strengthen ourselves..
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国家就和人一样,如果生病了,我们不能去和别人打。印度患有叫做“国大党”的癌症,内部敌人应该首先得到消灭,然后再去打外部敌人。我建议首先杀掉腐败政客…..先清理…..再加强自身体格…..

Amalendu Kumar Dhar (Lagos)
We wake only when we are kicked in our ass….trust me sooner or later it will happen
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只有屁股被踹了,我们才会觉醒…..相信我,这个迟早会发生的。

Innocent guy (Asia)
Chinese are almost prepared, just a matter of pressing the war button, while India would still be repairing the plastic made INS viraat carrier with nails and bolts!
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中国人准备差不多了,只要按一下战争按钮就可以,而印度仍然在用钉子和螺丝来维修塑料做的维拉特号航母!

NK Singh (china)
India is tortoise and china is that rabbit. But India is hopping at the end India will win the race. if we don’t through out this congress govt we will never move.
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印度是乌龟,中国是兔子,然而印度希望最终能赢得比赛。如果我们不推翻国大党政府,我们就不会前进。

ALI GHIAS (MOON)
“India military power is nothing,comparing to China anytime.They will outclass India in everything.
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相比中国,印度军事力量算个球,他们会在所有方面远超印度。

jags (India)
Hopeless situation we are in. I think a revolution is required to save the country
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我们处在无可挽救的局势,我认为要拯救国家就必须来一场革命。

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  1. 我们的总理太软弱了,这点被巴基斯坦和中国利用了。

    以前看过很多国家网民的评论,其实我发现每个国家的国民都嫌自己的国家太软弱了,应该再硬一点

  2. 迄今为止,中国的国防开支主要围绕印度展开,军队耗去了大部分预算,日本只得到额外关注。

    这是一种何其敏锐的观察。

  3. Amol replies to xxx
    In last 50 years, every war US has fought was with an inferior enemy (Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Taliban/AlQaida), expect the Soviet, with whom they never fought an actual “HOT” war. Hence to those with inferior defense forces, the Air-craft carrier seemed a mighty show of force. All that has now changed. In fact China itself showed the vulnerability of US Aircraft carriers to their “carrier-killer” missiles. I am sure, Indians too have such technology, but do not want to publicize. Loosing a Aircraft carrier battle group in war is like loosing an entire Army. So the question is, does India want to put all its eggs in one basket?
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    在过去50年里,美国打的每一场战争的对手要逊一等(朝鲜、越南、伊拉克、塔利班和基地组织),苏联除外,美国和他们从来没有打一场实质上的“热战”。因此在较差的军队面前,航母似乎是强大的力量展示。一切已经改变了,中国已经通过航母“杀手锏”揭示了美国航母的脆弱性。我确信,印度人也有这样的技术,但不想公布。在战争中失去一支航母战斗群就像是失去一整支军队。所以问题是,印度想把所有鸡蛋放在一个篮子里?

    印度人有个毛线技术,要真有,还不吹得满世界都知道, 传说中的”印度:我在这里,我在这里!”

  4. 迄今为止,中国的国防开支主要围绕印度展开,军队耗去了大部分预算,日本只得到额外关注。
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    好吧,三个万岁 👿 👿 👿 👿

  5. 我确信,印度人也有这样的技术,但不想公布。

    ————以印度人的尿性,如果有这技术,早就吹破天了。。。还尼玛的不想公布,真搞笑。

  6. 我坚信愚昧的三哥才是好三哥,继续做他们的大国梦吧。Jai hindi!
    想来军备竞赛?兔子不是和你印度玩的,跟你比?呵呵,真掉价!

  7. 国家就和人一样,如果生病了,我们不能去和别人打。印度患有叫做“国大党”的癌症,我局的印度不是患有“国大党”的癌症,而是患有一种“大国症”的癌症,不顾国内具体情况,打肿脸充胖子,硬要当大国!

  8. 我确信,印度人也有这样的技术,但不想公布。
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    小白确信,印度人是劣等黑鬼奴族,但中国官方不想公布,只有我个人公布一下!

  9. 三哥得癔症了,是怎么着?总幻想着中国针对他? 没听局座说吗,我们没有一件武器是针对印度开发的。 简直了,就印度。。。得得得,我也懒得说,一说我也跟小白似的了

  10. 印度人有些杞人忧天了,毕竟中国仅仅只是借用了巴基斯坦的瓜达尔港,而印度的所有沿海地区都在印度洋边上,这样说有意思吗。中国还没将任何军力真正投入印度洋,就开始渲染中国威胁了吗。可笑之极的阿三。

  11. 天哪!印度很少有人知道只是俄国将印度当冤大头吗?!!受西方影响的印度媒体,只是宣传认为这世界上只有一个坏国家中国?
    kotian (B’lore)
    Why is Russia continously delaying delivery of the carrier. Is it influenced by other countries

    为什么俄罗斯老是延迟交付航母,是否受到其他国家的影响?

    kannan (chennai) replies to kotian
    I think politicians commission not yet settled.

    我想是政客的佣金没有谈妥。

  12. 我确信,印度人也有这样的技术,但不想公布。
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    确实。不管你信不信。反正我信了。。。。。 :mrgreen:

  13. 为什么俄罗斯老是延迟交付航母,是否受到其他国家的影响?kannan (chennai) replies to kotianI think politicians commission not yet settled.我想是政客的佣金没有谈妥。———————–没有一个印度人明白这是被普京耍着挨宰吗?

  14. 其实吧,两国军工基础和水平差了几条街。说穿了,印度当年跟苏联铁优势最大皿主国,从美国、以色列、苏联、法国、英国买点东西畅通无阻。搞核武还能买到反应堆。我们就不行了,建国出周围一堆敌人,西方封锁,没多久还跟苏联闹翻了。为了存活,练出了氪金狗眼改装等技术,有些东西克隆多了,也就摸出门道了。所以说当年印度国防是买盆栽,咱们得自己从种子开始种,当时比印度艰苦。但这种事过了六七十年后我们这长成苹果树了,印度还在买盆栽