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印度欲效仿中国,德里高等法院对谷歌和脸书发出封锁威胁

2012-04-03 15:13 42个评论 字号:

2012年1月12日,印度德里高等法庭警告搜索引擎谷歌印度和社交网站脸书印度,如果没有设计出审查和移除各自网页上不良资讯的机制,也会像在中国一样被“封锁”。印度人如何看德里高等法院的警告?有的印度网友认为中国和印度的国情不同,不能类比讨论;有的印度网友则表示“如果谷歌等网站在印度消失,那么90%的生意将会遭到破坏”。

原文标题:We CAN block Facebook, Google like China: Delhi HC
原文链接:http://www.rediff.com/news/report/we-can-block-facebook-google-like-china-delhi-hc/20120112.htm

印度人看中国印度:印度德里高等法庭对谷歌和脸书发出封锁威胁

谷歌(三泰虎配图)

The Delhi high court on Thursday warned social networking site Facebook India and search engine Google India that websites can be “blocked” like in China if they fail to devise a mechanism to check and remove objectionable material from their web pages.

“Like China, we will block all such websites,” Justice Suresh Kait said while asking counsel for Facebook and Google India to develop a mechanism to keep a check and remove “offensive and objectionable” material from their web pages.

德里高等法庭星期四警告社交网站脸书印度和搜索引擎谷歌印度,如果没有设计出审查和移除它们网页上不良资讯的机制,也会像在中国一样被“封锁”。

苏雷什·凯特法官劝告脸书印度和谷歌印度开发一种审查和移除它们网页上“攻击性和不良”资讯的机制。他说:“就像中国一样,我们将封锁所有此类网站。”

Justice Kait, who did not stay the proceedings against the two websites before magistrate’s court, however agreed with the plea of lawyers that they would not press for an effective hearing in the trial court on Friday.

Former Additional Solicitor General Mukul Rohatgi, appearing for Google India, said the postings of “obscene, objectionable and defamatory” articles and other things cannot be “filtered” or “monitored”.

凯特法官并没有中止针对两个网站的诉讼程序。不过同意律师的请求,即星期五不会强行在审判法庭进行听证。

前副检察长穆克尔·罗哈吉代表谷歌印度出席。他称“淫秽、有异议和诽谤的”文章和其他不良资讯不能被“过滤”或者“监控”。

“No human interference is possible, and moreover, it can’t be feasible to check such incidents. Billions of people across the globe, post their articles on the website. Yes, they may be defamatory, obscene but cannot be checked,” he said.

Rohatgi tried to distinguish between Google India and its United States-based holding company Google Inc. “The US-based Google Inc is the service provider and not me (Google India) and hence, we are not liable for the action of my holding company. Moreover, it is criminal case where a vicarious liability can be fastened on a company which has no role, whatsoever, in the alleged offence.”

他说:“人为干预是不可能的。更重要的是,审查此类事件不可行。全球数亿人在网站上发表文章。是的,这些文章可能是诽谤和淫秽的,但是不能被审查。”

罗哈吉努力将谷歌印度和美国的母公司谷歌公司区别开来。“美国的谷歌公司是服务提供商,不是谷歌印度。因此,我们对母公司的行为不负责任。更重要的是,将替代责任强加给一家没有参与所控罪行的公司是犯罪。”

以下是印度网民的评论:

CONGRESS(I) isEQUALto CONGRESS(ISI) ?
by sldfkfdlfkll (View MyPage) on Jan 14, 2012 08:19 PM | Hide replies

ISI spy now as MPs and MLAs in India?

yesterday, cops found 5CR in fake money,
made by ISI in Pak,
sent from Nepal to India,
meant for a CONGRESS(ISI) MLA,
to buy the poor peoples votes,
and get elected easily, in these elections?

cops deliberately not investigating relation between CONGRESS and ISI?

巴基斯坦情报局的间谍在印度伪装成议员…

警察昨天发现5000万卢比假钞。这些假钞是巴情报局在巴基斯坦制造的,通过尼泊尔进入印度。打算给国大党用于购买穷人选票。然后在选举中轻易获选?警察故意不调查国大党和巴情报局的关系?

CONGRESS IS ANTI-TECHNOLOGY FROM BEGINNING
by sldfkfdlfkll (View MyPage) on Jan 14, 2012 08:19 PM | Hide replies

THEY ARE LOOTERS EFFECTIVELY.

JUDGES KNOW THAT.

THEN WHY JUDGES ARE SUPPORTING THE CONGRESS?

IS IT BCOZ,
90 PERCENT OF JUDGES ARE APPOINTED BY CONGRESS,
BCOZ CONGRESS RULED INDIA FOR 90 PERCENT TIME.

国大党从一开始就是反技术的。他们实际上是抢劫犯。法官知道那些。

为什么法官支持国大党呢?因为90%的法官是国大党任命的,国大党统治印度的时间也占90%。

Justice has no common sense.
by Raj (View MyPage) on Jan 13, 2012 09:52 AM | Hide replies

It is true that some offensive and objectionable material are being posted sometime in facebook but there is tools to complain for them and google is doing great job for no need to explain, justice Suresh might be connected to corrupt politicians or he is corrupted and he is in scared of facebook’s popularity as how people are disclosing their view against corruption. Mr. Kait why don’t see other thing in India like road construction of several places are completed in paper but not in reality? there several matter which aam janta can see u can’t. do you have different eye.

有一些攻击性言论和不良资讯被发表在脸书上倒是真的。但是有工具可以投诉。谷歌的工作也做得无可挑剔。苏雷什可能与腐败政客有关联,或者他是腐败的,害怕人们在受大众欢迎的脸书上发表反腐败的观点。苏雷什·凯特先生为什么不关心印度其他方面的事情,比如几个地方的公路施工完全停留在纸上。有些事情老百姓都能看到,你却看不到。你的眼睛和别人不同吗。

原创翻译:三泰虎 http://www.santaihu.com

 

Re: Justice has no common sense.
by Sun (View MyPage) on Jan 13, 2012 10:00 AM
True. Maybe the judge is a stooge of the Italian mafia.

这是真的。可能这个法官是意大利黑手党的傀儡。

Delhi HC
by kapil (View MyPage) on Jan 13, 2012 09:21 AM | Hide replies

you and your government do nothing, For China they developed a firewall called Greatwall of China, do you have one?

你和政府什么也没做。中国开发了“长城”防火墙。你们有吗?

Stop comparing
by illidan (View MyPage) on Jan 13, 2012 09:10 AM | Hide replies

Gov CAN block Facebook, Google like China , But cant Finish construction of roads and bridges in time , Cant develop infrastructure in time like china and the list will go oonnnnnnnn… Stop comparing pls

政府可以像中国一样封锁脸书和谷歌。但是无法像中国一样及时完成公路和桥梁的施工,无法像中国一样及时发展基础设施,这个名单可以一直列举下去…请停止比较。

Freedom of expression!!!
by Alston Fernandes (View MyPage) on Jan 13, 2012 09:07 AM | Hide replies

Justice Suresh Kait you are a moron with complete lack of regard for the most important of laws – Freedom of Expression.

For one thing does this man even know about the inflammatory bile that is written on these Rediff comment pages? I put up with it because i believe in the right of every person to express himself. What about you?

苏雷什·凯特法官,你是个傻瓜,完全不顾法律最重要的方面——言论“自游”。

首先,这个家伙是否知道Rediff评论页面上煽动性的愤怒?我之所以可以忍受这些评论,是因为我相信每个人都有表达自己的权利。那你呢?

This is unacceptable
by Mr Walker (View MyPage) on Jan 13, 2012 08:48 AM | Hide replies

Facebook has a option where you can complain about a profile or content which is what govt. is doing.

With this logic shall we ban the entire UPA govt. just because some people are corrupt ?

I hope good sense prevails on these people, such decisions are dangerous for democracy.

脸书有一个选项,你可以在那里抱怨政府所做的事情。

如果以这个逻辑来看,仅仅因为政府的某些人腐败,我们就要禁止整个联合政府吗?

我希望良好的判断力可以说服这些人,这样的决定对于“明珠”是危险的。

Re: This is unacceptable
by Mr Walker (View MyPage) on Jan 13, 2012 08:50 AM
Ideally if the govt. is so obsessed with the derogatory content then it should be putting up a team to mark such offensive content and ask the sites to remove it, blanket filtering is dumb.

If NDA had said the same thing the entire media would be up in arms against them and blame them of right wing fascist policies so what is this now ?

如果政府真的如此“痴迷”那些有损政府的内容,那么应该成立一个小组,专门标出攻击性的内容,然后叫相关网站删除。地毯式过滤是愚蠢的。

如果“国家皿煮联盟”(NDA)政府也是这样说,那么所有媒体会强烈反对,会指责他们实行右翼法西斯政策。

Re: Re: This is unacceptable
by Sun (View MyPage) on Jan 13, 2012 10:03 AM
This is secular fascism.

这是世俗法西斯主义

Can India and China be at par in terms of freedom of expression
by P Dutta (View MyPage) on Jan 13, 2012 08:46 AM | Hide replies

Freedom of expression as given in our constitution cannot be compared with that in China. How can therefore a similar ban as in China be applied her?

我们宪法赋予的言论“自游”不能和中国的相比较。所以,怎么能在这里实行类似中国的禁令呢?

old
by gaius octavian (View MyPage) on Jan 13, 2012 08:40 AM | Hide replies

old coots ,are we really living in a democracy? whats the point.

老傻瓜,我们是否真的生活在“民珠”国家?这样做有什么意义。

DHC is kidding
by Budhadeb kondh (View MyPage) on Jan 13, 2012 07:18 AM | Hide replies

recently given some controversial and anti-public ruling (pro-cong) rulings…not expected.

德里高等法庭(DHC)是在开玩笑。最近做出了一些反公众和支持国大党的争议性判决…真是意想不到。

WTF?
by Jiju (View MyPage) on Jan 13, 2012 05:57 AM | Hide replies

For all such crrraaap activities, Indian judiciary & govt want to take example of China. But when it comes to defense & military, they keep mum. It seems to be a case of selective adsorption!

对于所有这些垃圾活动,印度司法部和政府想以中国作为例子。但是当提到国防和军队的时候,他们就保持沉默了。似乎是选择性的!

Good!!!
by Jayakwadi Jayakwadi (View MyPage) on Jan 13, 2012 05:35 AM | Hide replies

So now China is our role model.
HC is telling us that they can not punish corrupt polititians,terrorists adn extremist due to lack of evidence or lack of will but they are very much capable to take away freedom of expression of people of India.In highly conservative indina society where people are scared to express theri thought due to fear of backlash from political goons and minority extremist,social networking website provided a vent.But now even that is going to be taken away.Kudos!!!kudos to Indian feudal society clocked in democracy.this system is (CBI,beurocracy,HC,police)has been completely hijacked by dynasty politians.Now they are going to use it to supress citizens of India. Great!!!
With this development Maoist are making sense to me now.

所以中国现在是我们的模范。

高等法院告诉我们,由于缺乏证据或者意志,他们无法惩罚腐败的政客、恐怖分子和极端分子,但是完全有能力夺走印度人民“自游”表达的权利。在高度保守的印度社会,由于害怕政治暴徒和少数民族极端分子的报复,人们不敢表达自己的想法。社交网站提供了一个发泄的场所。但是现在连那个也要被夺走。向印度皿煮掩盖下的封建社会致敬。这个体制(印度央行、官僚机构、高等法院、警察)完全被王朝政客劫持。现在他们打算用它来镇压印度人民。非常棒!

有了这样的“进步”,我看毛派分子现在也是说得过去的。

india
by Raj Kumar (View MyPage) on Jan 13, 2012 05:20 AM | Hide replies

HC you are killing our freedom of writing, No way India.

高等法院是在扼杀我们写作的“自游”。在印度是不可能的。

C blocks D
by Krishnakumar Narayanan (View MyPage) on Jan 13, 2012 12:04 AM | Hide replies

In alphabet, C comes before D. One has to cross C to reach D. Corruption is the major stumbing block ahead of benefits of Democracy. We can add more C words like Crime, Cronyism etc in this list. Now Court is also coming as another player.

在字母表里,“C”排在“D”前面。你必须先经过“C”后,才能到达“D”。腐败(Corruption)是皿煮(Democracy)效益的主要绊脚石。我们可以在名单中添加更多“C”开头的单词,比如犯罪(Crime)、任人唯亲(Cronyism)。现在法院(Court)也来凑热闹。

原创翻译:三泰虎 http://www.santaihu.com

shukanya
by chakraview (View MyPage) on Jan 12, 2012 10:46 PM | Hide replies

Suno sarkari babuon IF google like websites stop their visibility in india 90% business will be distroyed

如果谷歌等网站在印度消失,那么90%的生意将会遭到破坏。

websites can be “blocked” like in China
by Samir Bhagwat (View MyPage) on Jan 12, 2012 10:15 PM | Hide replies

Shocking and disgusting. Aren’t courts supposed to protect free speech ? The comparison to China is ominous

令人震惊和厌恶。难道法院不是应该保护言论“自游”的吗?和中国比较是不吉利的。

Re: websites can be “blocked” like in China
by MHS (View MyPage) on Jan 12, 2012 10:57 PM
Freedom of obscene speech? Freedom of defamatory speech?
淫秽言论“自游”?攻击性言论“自游”?

Rubbish
by kareem (View MyPage) on Jan 12, 2012 10:01 PM | Hide replies

High court should nt have come down this level, I belive this is persion al openion from one persion who dosnt know about world.,

高等法院不应该如此没有水准。我相信这是某个不了解世界的人的个人观点。

Difficulties for congress,gandhi hope for india
by arindam banerjee (View MyPage) on Jan 12, 2012 09:36 PM | Hide replies

Free speech in yahoo,google should never be blocked in a liberal ,democratic country like in india.

在印度这样的“自游民珠”国家里,雅虎和谷歌上的言论自由应该永远不被封锁。

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by freewill (View MyPage) on Jan 12, 2012 08:28 PM | Hide replies

Block rediff Discussion Bord also.

把rediff讨论版块也封锁了吧

do it
by Santosh kumar (View MyPage) on Jan 12, 2012 08:07 PM | Hide replies

Block it quickly

快点封锁吧

Why block them?
by Prem Mohan (View MyPage) on Jan 12, 2012 07:52 PM | Hide replies

Why block them? They should be removed altogether. India should fila a case in the International Court of Justice for this purpose. Google, Facebook etc. are a sheer waste of time.

为什么要封锁它们?应该将它们整体移除。印度应该在国际法院就此目的提出诉讼。谷歌、脸书等纯粹是浪费时间。

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