从这里了解印度人对中国的看法

Navneet:印度在哭叫,中国在前进…

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三泰虎博客译文《Navneet:印度在哭叫,中国在前进》。Navneet:外资进入印度零售业 已经被叫停。反对派发起游行示威,对零售巨头的进入将扼杀可怜的小店主表示关切,那些小店主靠从商品中赚钱微薄利润为生。这里的“小”在印度可是大事。即 便是那些在德里康诺特广场或在加尔各答乔林基街有商铺的人也自称是小商贩。在印度,无论店的大小,无论买什么,你买东西都没收据。如果你索要收据,那么店主就会惊讶不已。

译文来源:三泰虎 http://www.santaihu.com
外文标题:FDIez- India Cries-China Thrives..Sighs
外文地址:http://creative.sulekha.com/fdiez-india-cries-china-thrives-sighs_548610_blog

FDI in retail has been put on hold in India. There are demonstrations led by the opposition, voicing concern that entrance of retail giants will kill poor shopkeepers who make their living by charging a small some over the stamped price on the merchandize. Small is a big word in India and all “halwaiees” qualify as petty traders even if they have shops in Connaught Place in Delhi or at Chowringhee in Kolkatta. In India there is no receipt for what you buy from a Kiryana shop, a bakery, a general merchant or for that matter any shop big or small, unless you want a receipt, asking which of all, surprises the shopkeeper. If you insist on one to safeguard you against a mishap within the guarantee period, the shopkeeper puts his signature on the back of his business card and gives it to you. Aap chinta mat karo jee, ham yahin baitthe hain.

外资进入印度零售业已经被叫停。反对派发起游行示威,对零售巨头的进入将扼杀可怜的小店主表示关切,那些小店主靠从商品中赚取微薄利润为生。这里的“小”在印度可是大事。即便是那些在德里康诺特广场或在加尔各答乔林基街有商铺的人也自称是小商贩。在印度,无论店的大小,无论买什么,你买东西都没收据。如果你索要收据,那么店主就会惊讶不已。如果你为了避免商品在保质期内出现问题而坚持索要收据,那么店主就会在他名片后面签个名,然后给你。

路边摊

路边摊

街头书法家

街头书法家

All these people are doing business and for the lower level bureaucracy whose inclusion in Lokpal bill the government is dithering over, it’s the business as usual. The visiting inspectors find nothing out of order, the weights and measurement inspectors, the excise and taxation inspectors, the income tax officials, power theft squads, pollution inspectors, health inspectors, this inspector and that inspector, none of them find anything wrong.But the petty trader is an unhappy man. He finds it impossible to be upright even if he wants to be, for morals and principles aside, he has to cough up money to all these gubernatorial thieves. So it is a vicious circle so to say, a whirlpool in which every small businessman is sucked in.

这些人都是在做生意谋生,负责规范商贩行为的下级官僚机构也如往常一样忙着“生意”,政府在是否将这些机构纳入《公民监察法案》的监管对象仍犹疑不决。派出去的检察员查不出任何违规行为,比如是商家否会缺斤少两,是否会偷税漏税,店主是否会偷电,是否造成污染,卖的商品是否有害健康等等检查这个检查那个的各类检查员,统统查不出问题!这也罢了,现在小商贩不高兴了,他发现自己即便有心也无法当一个诚实商家,道德和原则统统见鬼去吧,他必须支付一大笔钱来养活那些硕鼠。结果就是一直这样恶性循环下去,所有小商贩都难以逃脱这个漩涡。

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小餐馆

小餐馆

做面条的艺术

做面条的艺术

The Mamtas and Mayas are appalled at the insensitivity of the central government. Uma Bhartees threaten to burn the outlets of retail giants if they set up shops in India. From Naziruddeenz to Tikaits, from BSP to BJP (let me name Neetish and Arun jaitley too so that people don’t blame me for picking on women) all have suddenly become concerned about the Vyapari vavyasaye Samitees and small vyaparees that I guess account for half of those who have their money stashed abroad.

Mamtas 和 Mayas 对中央政府的麻木不仁感到大为震惊。Uma Bhartees 威胁说,如果零售巨头进入印度就烧掉它们的店。感觉突然间,从Naziruddeenz到Tikaits等各路精英,从BSP到BJP等各党派开始关心小商贩的命运了,我估计那些在海外有存款的人群中,这些所谓的小商贩占了一半。

Long back when KFC set their first outlet in Bangalore there were incidents of smashing their window panes and threats of burning them down. Today I think almost every big city has all the leading fast food chain outlets and I don’t think the sale of Channa bathura seller has gone down. He is found busier than ever selling his chhole bathure right in front of a Mcdonald’s outlet . He even tears the canvas down of “ I am loving it” banner and uses it to protect himself and his customers from rain and sun.

很早以前,当肯德基在班加罗尔开第一家店时,出现过几起窗户玻璃被打碎的事件,有人甚至威胁烧掉那家店。今天,我想几乎在每座印度城市都能找到这一领先快餐连锁店了。与此同时,本土品牌Channa bathura的生意并未下滑。有位在麦当劳对面卖chhole bathure的人发现自己比以前更忙碌了,他甚至撕下麦当劳的“I am loving it”横幅给自己和客人遮阳避雨。

Our leaders think that the small businessmen, who pay little or no income tax and whose business largely is conducted verbally will be ruined. And these businessmen make a large chunk of the faithful vote bank..so their concern must be addressed otherwise they too will be ruined in the coming elections.

小商贩纳税很少甚至几乎不纳税,他们的交易主要靠口头完成。我们的领导人认为这些小商贩会受到(外资进入的)致命打击,考虑到他们组成了很大一部分忠实票仓,所以必须考虑到他们的关注,否则在即将到来的大选中就会落败。

China is principally a communist country and therefore I have a reason to argue that no government policies or schemes overlook the interest of the common people. But Chinese government doesn’t bother about public opinion because it doesn’t fear getting voted out. It is there, staying put and becoming stronger every day. But there is a big difference, the policy makers are not high school literate or drop outs. They are not vanadals or student union leaders turned politicians. They have not inherited the position in the party. They are highly intelligent people, who are there on merit. So they don’t make big promises, they just deliver and I have seen and I am seeing this country achieve one mile stone after another, every day. I am seeing a massive transformation going on in this country. I am seeing what I have never seen before in my life. I have posted some blogs on the suburb “ Gaogang” where I live but I have never posted a blog on the main city “Taizhou” which is about twenty kilometers away. The city is connected to our suburb by bus service which has a frequency of about three minutes.

中国是一个共产主义国家,我本该有理由去认为政府的政策和计划不会照顾老百姓的利益。然而,他们的政府无需担心在选举中落败,所以无需受公众舆论所左右,而是一天天变得强大。其中,最大的不同在于,政策制定者并非只有高中文化或者是辍学者,他们也不是来搞破坏或是从学生会混出来的政客,更不是世袭政客,他们是择优录取的高智商者。他们不会成天向人民做出口头承诺,而是尽职尽责,为人民办实事。我已经亲眼目睹了这个国家取得一个又一个里程碑。如此庞大的国家正在经历大规模的变革,这是我有生以来从未见过的气势磅礴的场面。我以前就写了几篇有关高港的博文,但从未写过有关主城泰州的博文。高港离泰州仅有大约20公里,两地有便捷的公交通勤,每三分钟就发一班车。

当地的公交车

当地的公交车

公交车站台

公交车站台

也许你难以置信,可这的确是客运站(Bus Stand)

也许你难以置信,可这的确是客运站(Bus Stand)

The local buses in China are shining, spick and span. There are four video cameras installed in the bus and the driver-cum conductor can see every inch of the bus. He drives with utmost caution and at the terminus mops, washes and cleans the bus too. You can’t point out as much even a scratch on the body of the bus. The flat rate fare of two Yuan is charged if you drop the coins in the drop box.The box is not a dummy box but it has an intelligent sensor in it. Once by mistake there was a lowly Indian rupee coin ( It is of the same size as the Chinese Yuan) in the change that I carried and when I dropped it in the box it raised and alarm and the alert driver looked suspiciously at me.You get a rebate if you by a card and the fare is 1.40 Yuan if you swipe the card. From end to end the bus covers about 30-35 kilometers.

中国的公交巴士非常干净。车内装有4个摄像头,司机和售票员可以看到车内的每一个角落。司机开车非常仔细,到了终点站后,有人会上来把车打扫干净,把车窗擦得铮亮。你甚至在车身上找不到一个刮痕。

如果投币的话,票价是2元整。投币箱可是智能的,里面有感应器。曾经有一次我误把币值较低的卢比硬币(和中国硬币的大小一样)投进去。一投进去,投币箱就报警了,司机当时狐疑地看着我。

如果刷卡的话,可以获得优惠,票价只要1.40元。从起点站到终点站,全程大约30-35公里。

In Shanghai the same “smart card” can be used for the buses, metro and even for paying the taxi fare. There is no need of hackling with the taxi driver, if he acts smart you just need to start walking towards the policeman who are omnipresent and see the colour drain out of the taxi driver’s face because the policemen are omnipotent too. Such is the fear of retribution here. The card can be recharged at any metro station and everywhere you are served promptly and with a smile..Kitna likhoon main. Jitna bhi likhoon kam hi hoga.

在上海,用这种智能卡可以乘坐公交车、地铁甚至支付打的费。如果的士司机耍花招,你没必要和他瞎扯,只要径直走向无处不在的警察就可以,然后你就会发现司机立马变脸色,因为警察也是无所不能的。这就是人们畏惧法律惩罚的例证。

任何一个地铁站都可以给卡充钱,而且工作人员服务迅速,面带微笑。

We go to Taizhou very often. Last Sunday when we went there, another huge plaza named “Wanda Plaza” had been thrown open to the public. No ministers inaugurate here, for if they were to do it, that’s all they would end up doing. I have seen this huge complex come up in this last one year that I have stayed here. This plaza has a retail giant “Carrefour” besides many big international brand stores. Taizhou is comparatively a small town but it has all top international retailers TESCO, LOTTE, Carrefour vying with locals “Hua Lin”, Sunning, Gomez etc. All international brands of clothes, food chains, luxury items are doing business here and all seem to be doing well. I haven’t shown you any pictures of Taizhou ever, so let me show some.

我们经常去泰州。上周天又去了,我们发现新开张了一家叫做“万达”的大广场。没有所谓的高官出席开张仪式。在过去一年里,我亲眼目睹这个巨型综合体一夜间拔地而起。里面除了有零售巨头“家乐福”之外,还有许多国际知名品牌专卖店。泰州是一座相对较小的城市,但乐购、乐天、家乐福等所有顶级国际零售商云集于此,它们与华林超市、苏宁和国美等本土品牌一起竞争。服装、食品、奢侈品等各行各业的国际品牌纷纷入驻,且看起来生意都不错。以前从未分享泰州的图片,下面贴一些出来:

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Without raking any controversy about whether FDI in retail would be good for India or not let me tell you one good thing about these retail malls here in China. You can return the purchase within two weeks. It is very convenient and it works. No questions are asked or at least they don’t ask us because we( me and my wife) communicate with them only through sign language. I once brought home an inflatable mattress but on opening the packing, I found that not only the pump for inflating it but also the nipple where pump is attached was missing. The mattress was useless so to say. When I went back for returning it, they didn’t suspect me of having ripped the parts which obviously someone had done before. In India, I am sure they wouldn’t have ever returned my money.

为了避免挑起有关零售业外资是否对印度有好处的争论,还是让我先和大家说一下这些在华零售巨头的好的一面。你在两周内可以无条件退货,非常方便,而且还真能退,不会问你一大堆问题,至少他们是没有刁难我们,因为我和我妻子只能通过手语和他们交流。我曾经买过一张充气垫,但回家后一打开包装,发现不仅没有打气筒,连充气用的接头都没有,这个充气垫根本就没法用。回去退货时,他们没有怀疑我拿走了那些配件。很明显,以前有人动过手脚。要是在印度,我敢肯定他们不会退还我的钱。

A few days ago, I bought a winter jacket which my wife didn’t approve of but I bought it to show who was the boss. Without revealing to you our secret let me tell you that after about a fortnight I agreed to return it on the condition that she will go and approach the return counter which she did and we got our money back there and then. I am sure if Mayawati and Uma Bharati learn about this attraction they will let these retailers do business in India because many Indians will queue up for returning things on one pretext or the other..after using it of course. It’s not that Americans or the Chinese are any better but if Indians are given such an option they will take the cake.

几天前,我买了一件羽绒服,当时我妻子不同意,可我偏买了,不为别的,就是为了证明我才说的算。跟你们说吧,我在两周后同意退货,条件是她去退货柜台办理。她还真去了,我们居然还当场把钱要回来了。我敢肯定,要是玛雅瓦蒂和乌玛·巴拉蒂了解到这一卖点后,他们肯定会允许这些零售巨头进入印度,因为许多印度人会大排长龙,把用过的东西以各种莫须有的借口拿去退货。并非美国人和中国人的人品更好,而是如果给印度人这么一个(占便宜的)机会,他们可是不遑多让。

This reminds me of an interesting incident. Every time when we join a ship, we end up buying the Blues which consist of band master’s suit with stripes on the cuffs etc. and a sailor’s cap. This suit is for some ceremony like of flag changing, naming ceremony, when taking over a new vessel etc. etc. But merchant navy is not Indian navy where more importance is given to uniform than work, sincerely I have never worn my blues. Once when I was on a ship that was in Bombay Mr. Rajiv Gandhi who was the Prime Minister then came for National Maritime Day celebrtion. Even Amtiabh Bachchan came to attend that function. We, who happened to be there, to make up a respectable gathering of the audience were asked to be present there in white uniform.

这让我想起了一件有趣的事情。每次成为一艘船的新成员时,我们都要购买一套袖口上有条纹的水手服和一个水手帽,以备重要场合之需,比如换旗和命名仪式或接收一艘新船时。然而,商船队和印度海军不一样,后者更重视这些礼节。坦白说,我从未穿过那套水手服。有一次,我们的船停在孟买,时任总理拉吉夫甘地前来参加全国海洋日庆典,连阿米塔布-巴强也来了。我们当时刚好也在那里,为了制造列席者众多的气势,我们也被拉过去,还被要求穿上印度海军的白色制服。

If you walk from Shere Punjab Dhaba at Fort Mumbai down Shaheed Bhagat Singh Road there are rows of tailor shops who cater to the needs of sailors of every description. I approached one an evening before the D-day with my urgent requirement. It wasn’t possible for him to stitch me a suit at such a short notice. So he asked me to try the one which was ready with him. Coat of the Indian naval uniform has “Bandh Gala” and it was tight around my neck. He asked me to wear it for the occasion and come back to him for minor alteration that he would later do. He didn’t know that I was from Merchant Navy and thus I won’t be needing it after the occasion. I had no intention to cheat him…at least until then. So I went to shake hand with the Prime Minister of India and possibly with his then bosom friend Mr. Amitabh Bachchan donning my uniform a little tight around my neck literally but it felt comfortable because I hadn’t paid for it.

从孟买的Shere Punjab Dhaba路走到Shaheed Bhagat Singh路,你会看到整排的裁缝店,他们能够按照水手的要求做出各种制服。庆典的前一天晚上,我走入其中一家裁缝店,要求其为我赶制一套。店主说没法在如此短的时间内完成,他问我要不要试一套成品。我试了一下,发现脖子勒得有点紧。他叫我先应付一下明天的庆典,回来再给我改一改。可他不知道我是商船队的,应付完这个庆典后就不再需要这套制服了。我无意欺骗他,至少当时是这样的。

第二天,我穿上这套制服高兴地和印度总理握手,虽然衣服勒得有些紧,但我内心舒坦,因为我还未付钱。

I shared some “Dhakkas” (jostling) with the P.M. who wasn’t afraid of mixing up with the crowd and the suicide bombing wasn’t heard of. I came back and returned the uniform for alteration. Later wisdom came to me in a flash that once in a while it’s OK to cheat as the world after all is not made up of saints alone and in this melee of rogues addition of another name won’t cause a turbulence…and I didn’t go to get the suit.

..Now Let’s take you to a trip to a brand new mall in Taizhou….Enjoy and marvel….Shhhhh…show shuru hone wala hai

庆典结束后,我把制服送回去修改。后来,小聪明一闪而过,当时是这么想的:偶尔骗一偏是不打紧的,毕竟这个世界上并非人人都是圣人。在一群无赖的混战中,再加入一个无赖并不能泛起多大涟漪………后来我再也没有去拿那套制服了。

下面带大家欣赏一下泰州全新的购物中心。

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    • 社会公德其实是建立在物质丰富程度上的一种生活习惯。至少是有正关联的。这位三叔只看到中国城市表面上干净整洁,看不到政府财政在公共卫生上的巨大投入,看不到基础设施支持对城市生活的影响。很天真地强调这是由于中国人有更高的纪律性,道德感。

      话又说回来,没有深入的工业化,一个农业文化传统悠久的国家的人民是不会学到真正的纪律性的。只要三超国还沉迷在不经过工业化就可以当世界办公室的遐想中,中国就可以对他们合理忽略。

    • 的确跟国内那些GZJY很像,但国内很多所谓GZJY,都是受过西方高等教育,入了美国籍,受西方议会经费支持,别有用心,很多时候只是在盲目造谣攻击TG,却错漏百出,特别是TW独独。
      真正有良知的GZJY,是不应该受到任何政治因素影响,必须公正客观全面。这位印度GZ大概也只能看到表面的大规模基建和环境整洁,人们乐观热情友善,但只能算片面,没有深入分析原因,古语有云“仓廪实而知礼节,衣食足而知荣辱”,社会公德的确是要建立在丰富物质基础上,如果没有意识到大规模工业化和大搞基建的作用,没有改善人们生活,没有惠及90%以上的民众,没有良好的宣传,只是片面强调纪律性和道德,那是没用的。

  2. 公知其实要是真能把人家国外的优点诠释出来,也就不至于落得今天这个评价,反而他们做的都是什么破玩意都往篮子里塞,这个就不真实了,不真实的东西是没有生命力的,对不对,三炮同学?

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      • 对自己民族的认同感?我倒觉得只是他们的自卑情绪引发的打肿脸装胖子的行为。我认为对自己文化的深刻认同感需要靠行动而不是口头说说,所以我最终还是选择做一个老师,将来在我的讲台上告诉我们的年轻一代更多关于我们自己的文化。

      • 不认同三锅所谓的对自身民族的认知感一说,毕竟丫们连自己的普通话都没有推行成功,还得靠阴文沟通

      • 中国很多所谓GZJY根本不是为国,他们的背景就很有问题,别有用心造谣拼命攻击TG就算了,胡乱栽赃黑中国就没得说。有的却是既得利益,想要更多权利,经常秀些外国东西,来显摆,把自己显示得很见识广博,高人一等。
        但中国还是有点有真正良知的GZJY,只是对中国恨铁不成钢,担忧不满,急切渴望改变,很多时候就变成理想主义,脱离实际。也就所谓爱之切,责之深啊。
        说到TW,是必须警惕的,红统派力量仅占1%,99%都是蓝统和独派,但绝大部分都是现实派,必须保持政治军事压制,积极开展经济文化交流,让其经济依赖大陆,重新彻底融入中华文化圈,在科技文化全面超过他们,开挖海底隧道,把大陆和TW交通正式连起来。如果能让他们积极参政议政,保证比谁都热心维护祖国的统一。

    • 大型商场都是支持正当理由退货的,而且如果是不影响第二次销售的商品,是可以无条件退的

  3. 看到无条件退货我泪流满面,想当年我们的一些人也是这么写西方的退货制度的,并且大肆的标榜这是民主的力量

  4. 越看越自卑,当然会看腻,印度不是人人都是不食人间烟火的苦行僧,多数还是世俗老百姓,当然想看点让自己骄傲的东西,尽管在印度这种东西寥寥无几。

  5. 三哥就算现在觉悟也已经晚了,工业化的末班车早就开走了,地球上根本没有多余的资源和市场来给他工业化变革,更何况在工业化之前,三哥还要先消除宗教 种姓制度 大地主 买办 等等一系列工作,这一套下来以三哥的尿性得折腾上一百年,到了那个时侯恐怕中美这类国家都已经用上无限能源的核聚变了。

  6. 印度那种有样学样的民主制度带来的只是民众对政府的零容忍,他们认为政府做的某件事没有按我心中想的来,那我就要去反对他,岂不知政府在任何一件事上起的都只是宏观的作用,不能细致到个人,如果那样政治内耗就太高了,民众往往不能在社会发展中扮演好自己是生产劳动的实施者的责任,而整天想着自己才是社会发展的带头者。况且印度领导人本身就没有什么能力,因为他们连一个发展的方针都做不好,只会说5年超过中国,n年登陆月球等。这样的政体永远不会超过中国的。

  7. 这位印度大叔说到最后那个不去拿水手服的心理表现其实就是这个民族的心理表现,即使他去拿,那个卖家也不一定能按时给他或者已经给卖出去了,不讲信用,心里感觉无所谓,我们这很多印度客户都会耍小聪明,比如给你空头支票,或者拿了货不给钱,所以如果跟他们算月结账,那你肯定会有很多死帐,所以对付这种客户只能是先付钱,要么一手拿钱,一手拿货。

  8. 庆典结束后,我把制服送回去修改。后来,小聪明一闪而过,当时是这么想的:偶尔骗一偏是不打紧的,毕竟这个世界上并非人人都是圣人。在一群无赖的混战中,再加入一个无赖并不能泛起多大涟漪………后来我再也没有去拿那套制服了。

    本质暴露无遗啊!!!!

  9. 当外资刚刚进入中国的时候,我听到的是“狼来了”,但天朝和国人并没有反对,更加没有抵制,而是勇敢面对!现在国内市场上的产品是如此丰富,凭证买东西的时代一去不复返。博主大叔已经看到了

  10. 自从我看了他那几篇关于魔都的文章后
    再看他的任何文章 都只能笑笑 是他视力确实不好 还是有选择性的无视掉了那些~~你懂的

  11. 中国是一个共产主义国家,我本该有理由去认为政府的政策和计划不会照顾老百姓的利益。——这种傻逼言论,恰恰说明了连博主这样的人都在这方面空前的无知。阿三知道啥叫社会主义、共产主义不?!不顾老百姓的利益,尼玛恰恰是资本主义、帝国主义、殖民主义!

    • 外国人眼中的GC主义国家就是一裆都踩,强拳钻指,民众倍受压迫的形象,这都是西方媒体的洗脑造成的,当博主看到中国政府这么顾忌民众和为人民服务的时候,他和他的小伙伴们都惊呆了

        • 苏联解体前社会主义阵营宣传还是可以抵抗欧美洗脑的,之前那么多社会主义国家,现在你看看还剩下几个,解体后俄罗斯都资本主义了,中国影响力又弱,剩下朝鲜、越南、古巴势单力薄啊,欧美就肆无忌惮的在全球洗脑,把全球多数国家意识形态观都洗成GCZY是邪恶国家了

    • 这印度大叔被洗脑了 好像GCZY就是邪恶肮脏丑陋的 印度式泯猪才是劣等垃圾 JY只看细节看不到本质 北欧高福利国家就是GCZY初级阶段 以色列农庄就是GCZY!

  12. 可事实上,象我小时候那种私人小店几乎绝迹在上海。对私人零售冲击是必然。印度的不做小生意怎么活呢?中国历来看不起小零售业主,什么个体户。所以他们的转型不会如印度般痛苦

  13. 觉得这我印度大叔好像误会了,充气垫里面是不会包含附件的。包装上应该有写明,可能大叔不懂中文的关系。

    至于零售业……

    中国的经济是现代经济加上农业社会家庭结构,所以产生了不少的社会矛盾;
    印度是农业社会经济加上农业社会家庭结构,的确限制了工业化和市场化。

  14. 连我们泰州的万达都上来了,我以前经常去万达买东西,吃饭,里面饭店太多了,泰州人都喜欢在晚上去万达吃饭的,而且我们泰州的东西好好吃的哦,就算是小饭店也很干净的,因为泰州人都非常喜欢吃。另外泰州的万达非常大,就算是走路绕一圈都能累死人的。

  15. 他是想拿中国的好给印度人看看,中国的不好当然不会说了。。现在很多中国人总喜欢把不好的东西给外国人看,孰不知中国人在那些公知眼中所谓的公正的外国媒体那里已经被妖魔化的一塌糊涂了,基本印象估计和非洲差不多吧?富人特别富,穷人全在贫民窟,然后还有万恶的独裁统治,底层人民每天像奴隶一样工作却拿不到报酬。房子全像西部大山里的那么破烂。

  16. 你混淆了文明和minzhu的区别。文明,即良好的社会秩序,而民主,则是一种公平的社会利益分配机制。不可想象,如果没有公平,人们会去遵守秩序。中国社会没有陷入麻烦和危机,是因为高速的增长消弱了大家对分配不公的不满。而且,如果没有一定的经济实力做后盾,人们也不可能去争取话语权。可是,一旦形成庞大的中产阶级,他们在保护财产利益的驱动下,必然会要求话语权,从而推动minzhu的实现。这是一个漫长的过程。你这个坚持“毒菜一百年”的论断不是必要的。相反,如果坚持毒菜,一旦社会内部不满积压到一定的程度,那些辛苦建立起来的美好家园可能毁于一旦。很简单,社会分配机制必须与社会财富相适应,文明才能继续维持,不断进步。

  17. “中国很多所谓GZJY根本不是为国,他们的背景就很有问题”,你有证据吗?据大多数GZ不过是像Navneet大叔这样,到过国外,留过学,见识过真正的文明和富强,才对政府和政党发出批评和督促。不要以为中国比印度好些就觉得中国好到批评不得。一句批评比一千句赞美更有力量。
    关于TW,我告诉你,落后的政治体制是不可能包容先进的政治体制的。中国要想统一TW,需要等到自己的体制也足够吸引人的那一天。