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印度人讨论种姓制度的废除。三泰虎博客10月30日译文,印度雷迪夫网文章《如果我可以改变印度的一件事情,我希望废除种姓制度》。印度人民党主席Subramanian Swamy:我本可以住在国外,但我选择了回来,因为这里是一个更宜居的国家。印度有一种西方缺失的人际关系。在热情、理解和情感联系的基础上,我们建立了持久的友谊。在西方,友谊是商业化和合同化的,而印度的家庭关系更牢固。如果我可以改变印度的一件事情,我希望废除种姓制度。

译文来源:三泰虎 http://bbs.santaihu.com
原文标题:’If I could change just one thing in India, I would abolish the caste system’
原文链接:http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/slide-show-1-india-independence-day-special-subramanian-swamy/20131022.htm

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I could have lived abroad, but I chose to come back here because this is a better country to live in.

There is a human aspect to relationships here which is missing in the West. Here we make lasting friendships which are based on warmth and understanding and an emotional connect.

In the West, friends are business-like and contractual. Here family relationships and bonds are stronger.

我本可以住在国外,但我选择了回来,因为这里是一个更宜居的国家。

印度有一种西方缺失的人际关系。在热情、理解和情感联系的基础上,我们建立了持久的友谊。

在西方,友谊是商业化和合同化的,而印度的家庭关系更牢固。

We have an extended family here whereas in the West it is a nuclear family and even that nuclear family does not last. Mom and Dad live separately in many cases which is a norm there but a rarity here. Here, marriages are sacred.

Here we accept people for what they are with all their faults and shortcomings. We are not judgmental. While over there, people are very judgmental and point out shortcomings. They accept only a certain kind of behaviour and will be upset if you behave differently.

What really makes me sad with our country is that the majority feel that politics should be avoided. So what has happened is that we don’t have our best people in politics. We are saddled with leaders who never place the country before themselves.

印度的家庭是大家庭,而西方的是小家庭。即便如此,小家庭也不持久。许多情况下,父母是分居的,这在西方是普遍现象,在印度则是罕见的。在印度,婚姻是神圣的。

在印度,我们接受别人的所有错误和缺点,我们不爱去评判。而在西方,人们非常喜欢评判和指出别人的缺点。他们只接受特定的行为,如果你行为举止另类,他们就会生气。

最令我伤心的是大多数人觉得政治是该避免的,结果最优秀的人不从政。

We could have been a developed country in 15 years if our best brains had come forward to lead the country. Instead, we are led by corrupt politicians and after 66 years we are still underdeveloped.

Good people are not in politics and that is my greatest regret. People look down on politics and politicians. The elite think it is declasse to indulge in politics. The intelligentsia looks down on politics. The middle class does not respect politics.

Our leaders have lost the trust, confidence and love of the people.

This has to change and good people should come to lead the country. There is still hope.

If I could change just one thing in India, I would abolish the caste system.

如果精英能出来领导国家,那么我们可以在15年内成为发达国家,结果领导我们的是腐败政客,独立66年了,我们仍然是欠发达国家。

优秀的人并未从政,这是我的最大遗憾。人们看不起政治和政客。精英认为从政是落魄之举。知识分子看不起政治,中产阶级不尊重政治。

我们的领导人失去了人们的信任、信心和爱戴。

这个现状必须得到改变,优秀的人应该出来领导国家,我们还是有希望的。

如果我可以改变印度的一件事情,我希望废除种姓制度。

以下是印度雷迪夫网读者的评论:

译文来源:三泰虎 http://bbs.santaihu.com/thread-7715-1-1.html

heheheheheheh
by aaftab kazi

brahmins r the ones who r throwing peanuts at the low caste ppl and keeps almonds for themselves

婆罗门就是那些把“花生”丢给低种姓并将“杏仁”留给自己的人。

hehehehehehe
by aaftab kazi

if u look at 1brahim population they r hardly 5 per cent but they actually rule this country be it at the highest level or rlgs level

仔细看,你会发现婆罗门人口只占5%,但不管是在最高层还是最底层,他们实际上统治着国家。

hehehehehehe
by aaftab kazi

these 1brahims have divided the indian mass into different -levels- just to oppressed them and keep on ruling and fooling them in the name of rlgn

婆罗门将印度人划分为几个等级,为的是压迫他们,以宗教名义统治和唬弄他们。

f I could change one thing
by Ranajit Das

Great thinking. How many politician think this way? if they, India could have been a major developed country in the world.
We have lot of things to change. The main thing in my opinion is the population.

好想法。有多少政客会这么认为?如果他们这么想,印度就会成为世界上的主要发达国家。

我们有许多亟待改变的事情。在我看来,最主要的是人口。

Re: If I could change one thing
by aaftab kazi
hehehehehe.how can u -change- population ????

呵呵,你怎么改变人口?

if i could change
by revuru Venkatesh babu

Any thing is possible in india. But this is exception. If u want really to start, delete the caste column in the birth certificate.

印度的任何事情都可能改变,唯独种姓例外。如果你真的想改变,那就首先删除出生证明上的种姓一栏。

I want to abolish the caste system
by pcroyghatak

Greatest ill ,evil and most Des-crematory system of our society is Caste system.We want to go forward –we have to abolish it. People should be judged by Merit Y not Caste acquired at birth

我们社会的最大弊病是种姓制度。要想前进,我们就必须废除它。任人唯贤,而不是按照与生俱来的种姓。

Re: I want to abolish the caste system
by navsenjoy
Still everyone here including you, like to carry your surname’s flag.

We like idiots still ask for ‘full name’ so could categorize one quickly. Bye the way Mr. Pathak what is your contribution or efforts in becoming a pathak???

包括你在内的每个人仍喜欢名字前加上姓氏

我们跟傻瓜一样,仍然喜欢问别人“全名”,以便快速将人分为三六九等…….

Reservations
by Jacob Franklin

If you abolish reservations based on caste, it will slowly disappear I think. Reservations provide fuel for caste based politics.

如果废除基于种姓的预留制,那么种姓就会慢慢消失。预留制助推了种姓政治。

caste system
by MITHILESH CHOUDHARY

The need of hour is to get rid of cooruption happening thru corrupt politicians ans beauracrats.Cast system cann ot be abolished in total

当务之急是消灭腐败的政客和官僚。种姓制度无法完全废除。

Re: caste system
by subodh goel
Dear friend, please, don;t surrender before fight.

亲爱的朋友,请勿还未开战就投降。

caste
by Trend setter

There are only two castes. The rich and the poor caste.

只有两个种姓:富人和穷人

If I could change, I would abolish the caste system
by Viren

JUST DO IT. Dr Subramanian Swamy

那就行动起来啊。

NAIL THE CASTE?
by Manoharan

None need to bleed or sweat to abolish caste. It will die with growing Love marriages.What Govt should do is to create a LAW that from today CASTE word is removed from Govt. machinery.i.e, no caste reservations, no caste benefits, and no use of caste names. The irony is even so called low caste party politicians will not accept this change. Because they will loose their” profession”.The paradox is the High caste Group responsible for this evil caste system is calling for the end,but, the Low caste group which must be happy to hear that is insisting to allow the evil system to remain in Books. The most saddest thing…..

没必要特意去废除种姓,它会随着跨种姓爱情婚姻的日益增多而消亡。政府需要做的是制定一部法律,规定种姓这个词从今往后在政府机构里废除,比如废除种姓预留制、种姓福利,拒绝使用具有种姓象征意味的名字。令人讽刺地是所谓的低种姓政客是不会接受的,因为他们将会丢失“职业”。自相矛盾的是,对邪恶种姓制度负有不可推卸责任的高种姓却在呼吁废除种姓制度,然而听到这个消息后本该高兴的低种姓却坚持让这个邪恶制度保留下来,这是最令人悲伤的事情…….

Re: NAIL THE CASTE?
by tik tak
High Caste Group are not calling for the end of castes but only the reservation. Caste is in our minds. we should remove that.

高种姓不是呼吁结束种姓制度,而是呼吁废除预留制。种姓思想存在于我们思维中,我们应该将其移除。

Re: Re: NAIL THE CASTE?
by Manoharan
Thats why I wish people should stop using caste names. But,the irony is, high caste guys(youngsters)fashion to add their caste names.

这就是我希望人们别再使用种姓名字的原因。然而令人讽刺地是,高种姓(年轻人)时兴加上种姓名字。

Caste system
by rup narayan

It can be abolished if we Indians want!

如果印度人真想的话,种姓是可以废除的!

Caste system is also anti-health
by rahul behl

Caste system is also anti-health. It is a proven medical fact that if you marry among your relatives or cousins, the children born will be more prone to getting genetic defects and diseases and will be physically weaker.

种姓制度也是有害健康的。医学已经证明,如果你嫁娶亲戚,那么生出来的孩子就更容易得遗传病,身体会更虚弱。

Subramanian Swamy…
by Ravi

You should quit at the earliest after openly admitting to your failure.

Let a person with the will to bring about a change take your place at the earliest.

公开承认失败后,你应该尽快辞职。

尽快让有意志带来改变的人接替你的位置。

But Brahmin will still be Brahmin
by franklyspeaking

You can abolish the cast system but you can’t place a Dalit and Brahmin on same level … first of all this cast sysetm hasn’t created by govt .. it was existing in the socity … even if you will abolish castSystem it will persist in the socity..Frankly speking it is Political orentation of Dalits and Backwrds has forced Swami ji to make such statement … other wise who cares about these dailt nad OBCs…

你可以废除种姓制度,但你没法让达利特和婆罗门地位平等…..首先,种姓制度不是政府创立的,它存在于社会中…..即使你废除种姓制度,它还是持续存在于社会中。坦白说,达利特的政治倾向迫使Swami做出这个声明…..否则谁会在意这些达利特…….

Agree
by Neeta S

So agree with Dr Swamy. Wish we could abolish the caste system, shake all these differences out from the minds of Indians and create a strong India. Unfortunately, parties like Cong have only increased the divisions in this country which is why we have not progressed.

同意Swamy博士说的话。希望我们能废除种姓制度,把印度人想法上的分歧全部抖出来,共同建设一个强大印度。很不幸,国大党只会进一步分化这个国家,导致我们停滞不前。

Casteism
by Somanathan Nair

The worst part of all this action was ignorance which kept on adding to the plight of the lower caste for so long almost 2000 years.

Abolishing it is the need of the hour as now things have gone out of hand and we should now abandon such system. Infact people shd stop mentioning their caste in documents etc..

最可怕的是人们的愚昧无知,在过去2000年里,它一直加剧着低种姓人群的困境。

当务之急是废除种姓制度,局势已经失控,我们现在应该废除这种制度。事实上,人们应该停止在文件中提及他们的种姓

Casteism
by Somanathan Nair

Caste system had its own importance in the old societies for it professed & promoted industrialisation, guaranteed jobs for generations at the same time it would bring about industrial improvisations and developments in their respective fields as also in society at large. Had it been followed with sensibility ours would have been the most evolved society. But unfortunately the lazier folks in upper caste took undue advantage of the system and divided people to suit their needs and greeds, thereby giving rise to inequality, untouchability, non tolerance etc.

在古代社会,种姓制度有其重要意义,它促进了工业化,确保各种姓世世代代有工作,同时在各自领域以及社会带来了发展。要是种姓制度得到理智遵守,我们的社会将是高度进化的。然而,高种姓的懒惰家伙过度利用了这个制度,为了个人私利而将分化人们,结果导致人与人之间的不平等,出现了贱民

caste system
by kartar singh

The day caste system is abolished India will become a great power.

种姓制度废除的那一天,印度将成为一个强国。

Re: caste system
by jatin joshipura
India is already a great power

印度已经成为了一个强国。

he is chalu
by qwert poiuy

He is very chalu. Just doing lip service. He knows that without caste, his religion cannot exist. Caste is the bedrock of his religion

他只是耍嘴皮子而已。他知道要是没有种姓制度,他的宗教将不复存在。种姓是他的宗教的根基。

Inter-caste Marriage
by dillip tripathy

Let Mr Swamy marries his children in the family of SC/ST or some other religion to demolish caste system.

让Swamy先生把孩子嫁入低种姓家庭或者嫁给异教徒来破坏种姓制度。

Re: Inter-caste Marriage
by cooldrango
Well One of his daughter is married to a muslim and his own wife is a Parsi.

他的一个女儿就嫁给了穆斯林,他自己的妻子是拜火教徒

bring
by mohd zaks

namo he will surely wipe caste system

穆迪肯定会消灭种姓制度的。



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