从这里了解印度人对中国的看法

印度是如何向中国学习的

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印度雷迪夫网站文章,原题:印度是如何向中国学习的。文章称,印度在得到内阁安全委员会的批准之后,决定组建打击军团,这是印度第四支这样的部队,不过也是最新一支专门用来打山地战的部队。实施组建打击军团的决定表明印度正在向中国学习。印度拟议待建的这个军团将下辖3个师的兵力。一旦边境遇险,那么这个军团可望加大对方的损失。

外文标题:How India is learning from China
外文地址:http://www.rediff.com/news/report/column-srikanth-kondapalli-how-india-is-learning-from-china/20130719.htm

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When it came to national security issues, China never hesitated to take a quick decision regardless of the material costs. Nor were the superiority in military strength of the adversary a consideration, Srikanth Kondapalli points out.
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After dilly-dallying on the composition, budgetary allocations, role and missions of the service arms and bureaucratic wrangling between the defence and foreign/security establishments, the idea of the Strike Corps — the fourth such force, but the latest dedicated to mountain warfare — took concrete shape with the nod from the Cabinet Committee on Security.

Expected to cost nearly Rs 89,000 crore in the 12th Five Year Plan and composed of three-division strength, the proposed Corps is expected to take war into Tibet and enhance the costs if the other side ventures into India.

Although doubts were expressed on the need for such a Strike Corps, the contextual reasons strengthened this idea. Firstly, the then Army Chief General Deepak Kapoor stated in late 2009 that the armed forces are gearing up for a two-theatre front under nuclear conditions — one addressing the Pakistan scenario and the other China — in addition to considering the nuclear factor of Pakistan and China.

In the light of the continuing Chinese assistance to Pakistan in the nuclear and ballistic missile capabilities, such an assessment is hardly out of place. His successor General V K Singh re-iterated this position. However, the above military objectives and intentions were not matched with force levels on ground — with turf wars coming to the fore between different services and ministries.

Secondly, the mounting asymmetry in military strength between China and India as a result of China’s rise is clearly visible in the Indian fears from the northern neighbour which had raised several irredentist claims recently.

This growing asymmetry is reflected in budgetary allocations as well as actual military strength. Thus China spends (officially estimated at $120 billion) more than three times the Indian defence budget.

In the next two decades China is expected to surpass the United States defence spending to over $1 trillion, while Beijing already surpassed every other country in Asia.

Of these figures, it is estimated that China spends nearly one-fourth of such allocations in the borders with India and is reflected in over 30 military exercises conducted in and around Tibet in the last two years, military deployment including recently of J-10 and Su-27 long-range multi-role fighter aircraft and deliberate nuclear deterrence signals by the official press that China’s missiles are now land/rail mobile.

Asymmetry in military strength is also reflected in troops’s strength — although both are now gearing for hi-tech local or limited wars in which infantry strength plays marginal role. While India has four Corps — the 14th, 3rd, 4th and 33rd Corps including 10 Mountain Infantry Divisions of a total strength of nearly 220,000 — China has four Group Armies in 13th, 14th, 21st, 47th with a total strength of about 400,000 troops in the Chengdu and Lanzhou military regions with operational jurisdiction bordering India.

The Sichuan-based 149th Airborne Division is seen frequently deployed in Tibet for rapid troops transport, augmented also by the rail and road networks in the region. These resulted in the Indian armed forces raising threat levels vis-a-vis China from ‘low’ to ‘medium’ levels in the last decade.

With the additional 50,000 troops as a part of the Strike Corps formation, India could partly mitigate this asymmetry in strength. More significantly it provides for a psychological boost to the Indian armed forces.

Thirdly, since the Indian nuclear tests in 1998, there has been a visible increase in the transgressions of the Line of Actual Control by the border patrols. Thus on an average there is an estimated three-digit figure of such transgressions in the eastern and western sectors of the border.

While both sides certified that there existed ‘peace and tranquility’ on the border areas, the situation on the ground indicated to intense jockeying for space.

Transgressions like the April 15 to May 5 Depsung Plains and recently at Chumar punctured this position. An exasperated Prime Minister Manmohan Singh stated in his press briefing, during Premier Li Keqiang’s visit to Delhi in May, that since 1988 the basic understanding between the two countries is to maintain peace and tranquility so that they could explore relations in the diplomatic and economic spheres.

The Depsung Plains incident sealed the mouths of the naysayers for the Strike Corps.

The decision to go ahead with the Strike Corps indicates that India is learning from China. When it came to national security issues, China never hesitated to take a quick decision — regardless of the material costs. Nor were the superiority in military strength of the adversary a consideration.

China going full hog in the Korean War — which resulted in over a million casualties — explains such an unambiguous position, even though it was pitched against the most advanced forces of the day — that of the United States. The then premier Zhou Enlai famously said about the umbilical relationship between the Korean Peninsula and northeast China as ‘lips and teeth’ and that China would defend at whatever cost its perceived national interests and counter threats.

India needs to take a cue from this.

Srikanth Kondapalli is Professor in Chinese Studies at Jawaharlal Nehru University.

文章部分转环球网的编译:http://oversea.huanqiu.com/military-articles/2013-07/4160680.html

印度雷迪夫网站7月19日文章,原题:印度是如何向中国学习的 印度在得到内阁安全委员会的批准之后,决定组建打击军团,这是印度第四支这样的部队,不过也是最新一支专门用来打山地战的部队。实施组建打击军团的决定表明印度正在向中国学习。

印度拟议待建的这个军团将下辖3个师的兵力。一旦边境遇险,那么这个军团可望加大对方的损失。

尽管有人对印度组建这样一个打击军团的必要性表示怀疑,但印度组建打击军团的目的性很强。

第一,时任陆军参谋长的迪帕克·卡普尔上将在2009年末曾宣称,除了考虑巴基斯坦和中国的核武器因素之外,印度军队正在加紧适应核态势下两个战区同时交战的情况——其中一个战区针对的是巴基斯坦,另一个则是中国。

第二,自从印度1998年进行核试验以来,印度认为中方边境巡逻部队对实际控制线的越界明显增多。在两国边境的东段和西段,这种越界行动的平均次数估计达到了3位数。

第三,中国崛起所导致的中印之间日益加剧的军力不对称明显表现为印度对邻国的谈虎色变。

印度现有4个军团———即第14、第3、第4和第33军团,它们下辖10个山地步兵师,总兵力将近22万;而中国负责与印度接壤地区作战任务的成都和兰州两个军区下辖4个集团军,分别是第13、第14、第21和第47集团军,总兵力约为40万。

这种日益加剧的不对称反映在了军事预算的划拨以及实际的军力上。中国的军费(官方数字是1200亿美元)是印度国防预算的3倍以上。在今后20年里,预料中国的国防开支将超过美国,达到1万亿美元以上。

在这些数字中,估计中国把军费的将近四分之一用在中印边境,具体表现为过去两年在xz及周围地区进行的30多次军事演习,包括最近派驻的歼-10和苏-27多用途战斗机在内的军事部署,中国导弹现在具有陆路、铁路机动能力的核威慑信号。

军力的不对称还反映在部队兵力上。在增兵5万作为打击军团建制的一部分的情况下,印度可以一定程度上减轻这种军力的不对称。

实施组建打击军团的决定表明印度正在向中国学习。在国家安全问题上,中国一向当断则断———不管要付出多大的代价。

中国在朝鲜战争中的全力以赴解释了这种绝不含糊的立场,即便它对抗的是当时最先进的美军。印度需要从中获得启示。(斯里坎特·孔达帕利)

以下是印度网民的评论:

译文来源:三泰虎 http://bbs.santaihu.com/thread-7012-1-1.html

China
by arungopal agarwal

How an indiscipline country can be compared with discipline.

一个不遵守纪律的国家又怎么能与遵守纪律的国家相比较呢?

Venugopalan
China is mighty, can produce almost all their requirements in arms whereas we have to depend on foreign countries for every thing..even for finalizing the latest type of fighter a/craft we takes decades..we still fly mig-21, flying coffins..so no match

中国非常强大,几乎可以生产一切所需装备,而我们一切要依靠外国,最新战机花了几十年才定型,我们仍然在飞米格21战机,这种飞机就是飞行棺材,所以中印根本就没得比。

Re: Re: China
by Samir Padhi
Who said we can’t produce our own military stuff?But it’ll be against those officials and politicians who recieve large commissions from foreign firms for arms deals.So they’ll never allow it to happen.That’s the whole story.Have you ever heard a politician in India has been given death penalty for corruption, unlike in China?

谁说我们自己不会造的?要是自己造,就是跟官员和政客作对,他们届时就无法从外国公司收受军购的巨额回扣。整个事情的真想就是如此。你有听说过印度政客跟中国官员一样被判死刑吗?

China & India
by Suresh Babu

A mechanical engineer from Gujarat went china for employment during 2000 and after 10 years of his service, he started his own business in china. Now that indian engineer is an industrialist in china. If he was in india he will be a worker in any third grade industries in Gujarat. This means china is giving more salary/wages to their employees and this is evident from shopping malls coming in china.

2000年,古吉拉特邦的一位机械工程师去中国找工作。10年后,他在中国开始经营自己的公司,现在已经是中国的一位工业家。要是留在印度,他将只是古吉拉特邦一家三流企业的工人。也就是说,中国给员工支付更高的工资,从中国进入印度的购物商场发的工资就可以明显看出。

Om Shanti

Yeah,many Indians married Chinese girls and settled down here forever.There is huge scope for growth here.

是的,许多印度男人娶了中国女孩,然后就永久定居下来。当地有巨大的发展空间。

Re: Re: China & India
by s swetha s
Id you marry Chinese , you don’t get their citizen ship. That is not growth. There is no way Indian women can adjust in China. Thats why they marry them.

要是你娶中国女人,你不会获得绿卡的。印度女人在中国根本就适应不来,所以他们(印度男人)会娶她们(中国女人)。

Re: China & India
by vikas bishnoi
yes china is providing all best of support to trade and biz .they knew only trade and biz is the key for which can make country strong and life .not like India you well said example of Gujarati engineer if he is in india may be seating in front of any Govt office for numbers of licences approval etc and end up his dream with doing with any third grad job .Tax , loan cost and non-cooperative policy is the main big rock .which hold back industryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy/

对,中国对商业贸易提供贴心支持,他们深知商业贸易是让国家变得强大的关键。印度则不一样,比如你说的那位古吉拉特邦机械工程师,要是他留在印度,可能会在古吉拉特邦某个办公室里等待许可证的批准,结果是梦想破灭,沦落为三流工人。税收、贷款成本和非合作政策是阻碍工业发展的主要障碍。

INDIA’S MILITARY
by trader

Strength should be 90,00,000 personnel so that we can match the threat of both China and minion Pakistan simultaneously.India should have 800,000 personnel in Tibet border compared to China’s 400,000.It understands only strength and not peace bull…t!!We have to put max of our resources into defense!!We don’t need repeat of Muslim and British rule again and national military pride should be the first priority!!!

印度的兵力应该保持900万人的规模,这样才能抵御同时来自中国和巴基斯坦的威胁。其中,印度应该在xz边界部署80万人以应对中国的40万军队。我们务必把大多数资源投入到国防中,再也不要让msl和英国对印度的统治重演了。

news
by bhuwan varma

india,always lack strong leadership from time of death of Mrs indira gandhi,

自从英迪拉·甘地死后,印度就一直缺少强有力的领导层。

need strong pm
by SAI RAM

need strong pm

印度需要强势的总理

kv raghuram

The Chinese militia has been the aware of the world. India learnt from that country, way back in 1962, on defence preparedness, for which our country had to pay a heavy price, in terms of men and the country’s boarder.

The raising of Mountain Division is surely a quick and timely response by our government to cope and tackle with ever growing threat from China militarily.

印度早在1962年就从中国领教到了战略防备的重要性,为此在人员和领土方面付出了沉重代价。

组建山地打击军必定能帮助政府在应对日益增长的中国军事威胁方面做出快速及时的反应。

Too little, too late.
by s d

India does too little too late.
The reason is Nehru Dynasty.
Nehru blindly believed the Chinese, and cried foul when China attacked in 1962.
Indira Gandhi kept the military strength on last priority.
Though as an exception, Rajeev Gandhi did his best at Sumdorang Chu incident, it was an isolated case and hee too kept the military at the minimum level.
Sonia does not care about what happens to India and is more concerned about herself, her family and her outside connections And so her stalwarts like A. K. Antony slept all throughout. They all mislead Indians and kept true position on the Chinese incursions hidden. And now when Chinese forces are nearly matching those of USA, here is a gimmick of increasing the number by just two division strength !! This is all ridiculous and angering !!!!

幅度太小了、时间上也太迟了

这要怪尼赫鲁王朝

尼赫鲁盲目相信中国人,中国1962年发起攻击时,他提出强烈抗议;

英迪拉甘地把军力打造放在最次要位置上。

拉吉夫甘地在桑多洛河谷事件上表现不错,不过那是个案,他也把军力保持在最低水平;

索尼娅根本就不关心印度,她更加关心的是她自己、她家人、外部人脉以及安东尼等支持她的坚定分子。

他们统统在误导印度人,将中国人的入侵隐瞒起来,现在中国军队就要匹敌美国军队了,他们就来这么一个花招,匆忙新建两个师的力量!这是荒谬的,听着就让人气愤!

NEver too late
by AUGUSTINE DIAS

I hope we are not too late & I also hope that we will achieve it in the targeted next 6years, I woner what happens after the 2014 elections ?????

我希望这不会太迟了,我还希望我们能在未来6年内实现这一目标。不知道2014年大选后会发生什么?

What India should not learn from China
by Suman Gadhok

China portrays itself as a strong & united nation.However,its citizens are totally curbed, They are denied right to property,freedom of speech,internet and right to vote the government of their choice,
Not a single neighbor of China trusts her be they be Japan,South Korea,Taiwan, Malaysia, Indonesia, Phillipines or Singapore.
China supports dangerous nations like North Korea & Pakistan.
On International forums they blatantly work against India.
As a nation China is a cookie ready to crumble.
Its hard working people deserve a better government.

中国将自己描绘为强大团结的国家。然而,它的公民却完全受压制,没有财产所有权,没有言论和上网的自由,没有投票的权利;

无论是日本、韩国、台湾、马来西亚、印尼、菲律宾或新加坡,没有一个近邻信任中国。

中国支持的是朝鲜和巴基斯坦等危险国家。

在国际舞台上,中国公然与印度唱对台戏。

……

勤劳的中国人民应该有一个更好的政府。

Re: What India should not learn from China
by NAGRAJ KV
Well writen!!Agree on most points.. but why do people need so much freedom and rights? They will misuse it..will sell their votes.. results in appeasement politics.. instead we need honest and effective governance

说得很好!我对大多数观点表示赞同,但对人们为何需要如此多自由和权力表示不理解。这些会被他们滥用的,他们会出卖选票,催生绥靖政治…..我们需要的是诚实和有效的统治。

China has a total of 18 so-called group armies
by XianYe

(actually combined corps) divided between 7 Military Districts: Beijing、Nanjing、Jinan、Shenyang、Guangzhou、Chengdu and Lanzhou, with the last 3 each having 2 GAs under command and the rest each having 3 GAs。China has 850000 army personnels per the latest Defence White Paper。Now even if both Chengdu and Lanzhou MDs,as the article falsely claim,are operationally placed against India,the number 400,000 is ridiculously high。50,000,consisting of 2 armoured brigades,a couple of artillery regiments and a number of frontiers regiments,are more realistic。A study of map of China should tell you the Lanzhou MD has NOTHING to do with India. Indians are thus misinformed, misled and lied to by their media.

中国总共有18个所谓的集团军,被分在7大军区里,分别是:北京军区、南京军区、济南军区、沈阳军区、广州军区、成都军区和兰州军区。

根据最新的国防白皮书,中国陆军有85万人。即便如本文的“不实指称”,成都军区和兰州军区的兵力都用来防印度,40万人的兵力也是高得荒谬。5万人的规模更实际,其中包括两个装甲旅、几个炮兵团和几个边防兵团。其实,稍微研究一下地图便知兰州军区跟印度没有一点关系,印度人被媒体误导和欺骗了。

Re: China has a total of 18 so-called group armies
by Shashank Parab
Man, Be aware .. Chinese can frame you for leaking information here.

I would not say they have deployed you to spread rumors, as this is very small forum.

哥们,小心…….你泄漏了信息,中国人会把你抓起来的

Re: China has a total of 18 so-called group armies
by Mahendra Singh
“False claim” is what goes with China. If you are a common citizen of china, then I suspect if even you know the real truth. Unfortunately Indian army and its plans are too transparent to the point that it is almost useless, what is the winning strategy if the opponent knows you too well. Hope Indian army and policy makers will get this lesson from China.

meanwhile getting back to topic, Indians know too well of how China claims as being innocent up untill showing the real ugly face, example? 1962 war with China, that happened immediately before china was singing peace to fool Indian. Now they are doing the same by building dams across Brmhaputra river despite giving assurances of otherwise. China is know for deception and not integrity world over.

So Mr. Xian, whom are you trying to fool here?

如果你是普通的中国公民,我怀疑你是否知道真相。很不幸,印度军队的计划太透明了,几乎变得一无是处。如果对手非常了解你,那你怎么能制胜呢?希望印度军队和决策者能从中国得到教训。

回到话题上来吧,印度人对中国的虚假声明太了解了,先是大喊无辜,然后就露出真面目,比如1962年的中印战争,中国当初可是大唱和平之歌来唬弄印度人。他们在布拉马普特拉河筑坝也是一样,口口声声说没事啦,要印度放心…..

总之,中国以欺骗著称于世,毫无诚实性可言。

Learn from China?
by Samir Padhi

I wonder if our politicians have paralysis of analysis.Or else why don’t they take prompt measures to upgrade the Armed forces. It’s not the numbers, but the quality of army which decides the fate of the war. We should rather learnfrom Israel rather, how to defend themselves.Most important, they ought to have some self-respet and self belief.

不知道我们的政客是否患上了分析瘫痪症,否则他们为什么不采取升级军队的措施。决定战争命运的不是军队数量,而是军队质量。我们应该向以色列学习如何自卫。最重要的是,印度应当自尊自信。

Why we want to learn on military expenditure?
by Nikhil

China didnt start with investing in military expenditure during their growth phase .They are now in a different phase than us .

Why dont we first learn to build infrastructure like they build and move all factories production etc etc to India .India has lot of skilled people and also willing to work hard , if the government can get factories to india .

But instead we spend money on buying expensive arms so much that we are no 1 arms buyer in the world .

and is this for nations growth ? it is for some people to earn loads of commissions and keep the nation with no infrastructure and make people suffer .

US and others are buying our people to write and create and environment which makes people believe arms purchase is really necessary .

these writers and many other media just write what they get paid for
someone pays they write

中国在发展阶段时并未大力投资军队,如今已经与我们处在一个不同的阶段。

为什么我们不先学他们搞基建,吸引各国工厂迁往印度。要是政府能想办法让这些工厂迁来印度,印度的很多技能人才可供利用,他们也愿意辛勤工作。

然而,我们把钱用于购买昂贵的装备,结果印度成为了世界头号武器买家。

这就是所谓的发展?一些人从中赚取了丰厚佣金,同时国家的基础设施一直落后下去,搞得民不聊生。

美国等国家雇佣写手来营造一种舆论环境,为的是让印度人相信购买武器是现实所需。

这些写手和许多媒体拿钱写文章。别人付钱,他们负责写文章,就这么样。

Re: Why learn only about military expenditure
by Nikhil
Can we please write an article on how China built its infrastructure and brand new cities like shenzhen where almost no one lived before and transformed it into an economic powerhouse

I think our people need food , better roads , good job , good quality of life than seeing arms display

我们能否写一篇这样的文章,即中国如何搞基建,如何在一个曾经几乎无人居住的地方新建深圳这样的全新城市,并将其打造成经济中心。

我认为,相比武器展示,我们人民更需要吃的,需要更好的公路,满意的工作,优质生活。

Re: Why learn only about military expenditure
by vishal raizada
If you do not have your boundaries safe and next day if china sits in Delhi, then what would be the use of building factories or other infrastructures, it is not an arms buying race more over a race to secure our boundaries and nation, once this part secured we can look fwd for development, otherwise max of our forces will be deployed and definitely defense expenditures will increase and we will not be able to move towards development and success.

要是边界不安全,中国明天或许就兵临德里了,届时那些工厂或者其他基础设施拿来又有什么用?这不是一场军备竞赛,而是要保护国家的安全。一旦安全得到保障了,我们就可以寻求发展,否则大多数军队会被牵制,军费开支肯定会增加,我们将没有能力向前发展并获得成功。

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  1. 印度人的脑袋简直不是脑浆呀,是黑泥吗,他们难道除了攻击中国自由度不高以外,还有什么可以让他们兴奋的,我就奇怪了,我是觉得中国的自由度很高呀,我们是大声说话都会被捉吗???还是讨论共产党犯贱这个词会被捉呀,呵呵,尤其是我觉的网络更是自由的泛滥,外国上网是要身份证的,中国仅仅要一个随时可以换的邮箱而已

  2. 一旦发现原来中国的自由度比印度还要高,他们会是什么表情,我很好奇呀,印度媒体虽然不受政府控制,但是印度的媒体跟洗脑差不多,乱七八糟的一大推,而且总是编造中国入侵印度,难道除了这个就没有能收视狂潮的新闻吗,印度就那么喜欢中国吗,老实讲像台湾,印度居然把自己跟中国做比较,我真的很恶心呀,印度还好,但是台湾,真想送他们8个字,不自量力,自以为是

  3. 中国人在欧美眼里是出了名的不守规矩,但是在印度人眼里竟然成了“遵守纪律的国家”,由此可见制度的计划与执行对于国家社会的重要性。

    • “遵守纪律”和“守规矩”是两码事好吧?再说中国人并不是不守规矩,只不过是实在太擅长利用规矩了,让欧美人目瞪口呆以至于恼羞成怒,才会大声嚷嚷说中国人不守规矩

    • 我见到过,在上海张江。一女人,一看就是刚毕业的女学生,每天拉着一个三哥的手。。。我想,或许这个三哥是高知特cognizant或者Tata的中层管理者吧。

    • 嗯, 不猜测,不评论就成了自干五了.

      我记得前段时间, 我家外甥女生病, 我们施以援手, 结果被老姑看到,一定说我是信佛的, 能够慈悲之心, 如何如何, 我说我不信佛, 她非要说我心底里信佛, 否则怎么浑身散发着嗷嗷的正能量. 你必须信佛, 只是有时候你自己还不知道.
      以我的火爆脾气,把菩提老祖到三武灭佛, 把佛家损了个底朝天, 结果人家跟我说, 你不信佛又怎么知道那么多佛家的事, 我严重的无话可说, 最后,我给她讲了半小时圣经故事, 然后她感觉有些困了, 睡觉去以前跟我说, 你只是还不明白,你在佛的世界里.


      苍天啊~~~~~ 我是信萨满教的!

  4. 唉,我真是拿印度黑鬼没办法了。。。这智商。。。这思维。。。这见识。。。请告诉我怎样才能把他们调教成正常人类?
    让印度黑鬼娶中国女人?让印度黑鬼建立900W军队?还是我们换个更好的政府? 🙁
    我很愁 🙁

  5. 建了山地师又能怎样,中国也没想进攻印度,而印度给他胆子也不敢进攻中国。林总说的很对,62年一战打出50年和平。目前看来,打出100年和平都很有希望。

    • 现在阿三是不敢了,因为我们已经把他们抛下很远了,但是,如果有机会,红头阿三是会干蠢事的,80年代初期的啦姐夫.甘地当政,就想报62年的仇,小规模的都干起来了,还好,当时我们根本不愿意打仗,再者,世界局势所迫,后来通过努力,泄火了
      啦吉夫.甘地当政时非常年轻,极度敌视中国,还好,在位时,给自己阿三给爆了,之后他老妈英迪啦.甘地接手,结果,没多久,也给锡克人爆了,笑死。

      • 错了吧,他老娘先被自己的保镖爆,他接班,接着被泰虎组织自杀炸弹爆的只剩渣。(特注:泰虎是泰米尔猛虎,没有三)。

        话说回来,阿三应该真心感谢泰虎,因为这个阿甘二世不被爆,拉奥就不会接班,就不会有印度的改革和半开放,继续搞苏联计划经济。那样的话,现在的印度就连渣都不是了。

  6. 印度就是TMD贱人,看了当年的纪录片,就更加知道印度是贱人中的贱人,中国当年打完朝鲜战争,又经历无数劫难,TMD印度黑鬼尼赫鲁趁着中国积弱,不断入侵边境!趁人之危,简直就是BITCH,当年就应该核平了他们,现在跑出来装可怜!MLGB的!这种无赖国家,就应该打得稀烂

      • 虫族的好处就是不怕死, 阿三被一顿饱和打击后, 那900万会不会跑一干净.

        如果有900万,估计有一半以上是拿竹竿那种.

  7. 其实三哥确实对中国是缺乏了解的,只有来过中国的印度人才知道中国是什么情况。有些老外初来中国感觉震惊,住过一段时间后就变成了无语了。矛盾复杂的中国啊!

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          ★中印桑多洛河谷自卫反击战。

          在中印边界的纠纷中,有一次事件虽然知道的人很少,但却是一次非常重要的事件,这次事件几乎酿成第二次中印边界战争,那就是位于山南地区的桑多河谷自卫反击战。

            1987年5月的一天,西藏军区山南军分区边防某团组织一次例行性边境巡查活动。这支机动巡逻分队由一个步兵连加强一个侦察班(骑兵)、82迫击炮排(3门火炮)、一个82无座力炮排(4门炮)、一个重机枪排(3挺重机枪)组成。可以看出,这是一支按照战斗姿态组成的,可随时应付突发情况而战斗的巡逻分队,所有人员与装备分乘10余台车辆执行任务。除了团指挥员外,指挥组还包括一名作战参谋、一名侦察参谋、一名通信参谋和步兵营副营长。

            当巡逻队到达桑多河谷地段时,已经天黑。部队宿营后吃过晚饭就扎营休息。晚间九点多,宿营警卫的卫兵发现,河谷南端的边界山口上有火光和说话声,便立刻报告了团指挥员。团指挥员马上起来观察,确认是有人在山口方向活动,并判断为印军在那里活动。于是,团指挥员马上命令侦察参谋带一个侦察组前往山口进行侦察。二个小时后,侦察参谋带一名侦察员返回(其他仍在原地监视印军),向团指挥员报告了可能有一个连的印军,已经占领了河谷过去双方虽未经划定,但彼此默契的我方一处制高点,并已经构筑了战斗工事。从侦察到的情况看,印军到达的时间也不太长,工事还不完备,好像正在加紧构建中。从其警戒状态看,似乎并未发现我军巡逻部队已经到达。

            根据这个情况,团指挥员立刻命令通信参谋打开电台与军分区指挥所进行联系,报告情况,但由于在宿营时已经完成了电台通报,而十点过后已不是与分区电台约定的联络时间,报务员无法与军分区达成通联。团指挥员当机命令副营长和作战参谋拟定战斗预案,并命令部队进行战斗准备,五点钟开饭,五点半出发,在拂晓时以战斗状态前往印军占我地区进行交涉,电台明天早上八点,将当前情况报告上级。

            早晨六点左右(此时西藏的天亮时间约在七点左右),除通信与后勤人员外,巡逻队全体战斗员按战斗编组和攻击部署,进入攻击出发阵地。在阵地上,团指挥员向各分队指挥员再一次明确了作战预案和战斗部署,一旦发生意外,部队将根据情况采取进攻或防御。随后部队开始构筑工事。印军位于河谷我方重要制高点的兵力约有一个加强排,在其后500米处,还有一个排的兵力。由此判断印军兵力约为一个连,并配备有60迫击炮和重机枪等重武器,在纵深可能有更多的兵力和大口径炮兵支援。从印军的部署看,是准备在原由我方控制的这个制高点上长期驻扎,实为蚕食我领土,推进实际控制区的行动。印军已经基本完成战斗准备,按正常交涉,是不会退出我方控制区域,并有可能对我进行主动攻击。团指挥员通过电报将侦察情况进行了报告,并请求立刻给予增援,团指挥员判断印军这次是有组织的武力蚕食我领土行动,估计不可能像过去那样通过交涉使其退出,战斗很有可能一触即发,并有可能迅速升级。我们将本着不打第一枪的原则,努力通过边境交涉迫使其退出我方实际控制区,但一旦印军主动使用武力,我们将在确保整体安全和主动的情况下,坚决予以还击,并坚守到增援部队到达。

            8点多,团指挥员令副营长带侦察参谋和3名侦察兵、一名报话员和一名翻译,前往印军占领的我方高地进行交涉。副营长行动后,团指挥员通过手提喇叭向印军喊话,印军一名军官带几名士兵走下了高地,副营长向其通报了职务和要求。印军表示,这是印方的领土,印军不会撤退,并要求中国边防军人离开,否则由此发生的一切严重后果,要由中方承担。在耐心交涉后,印军始终态度蛮横。他们判断中国军队人数不多时,印军士兵开始以武器威胁中方交涉人员,同时,据守在高地上的印军也进入战斗状态。印军军官和士兵甚至以下流的手势和语言对我军交涉人员进行侮辱。经交涉无果,团指挥员命令副营长和侦察参谋撤回。但在我方人员回撤的过程中,印军突然向我交涉人员射击(据印方后来解释是因为士兵紧张而走火所致),当场打伤我副营长,副营长后来因失血过多而牺牲。

            印军已经打响第一枪,并伤我交涉指挥员,我团指挥员当即命令部队发起反击。此时,我攻击分队已经完全占领有效攻击位置,并迂回到印军后方发起了攻击。在我迫击炮和无后座力炮等火力的支援下,我攻击分队仅用半小时,既攻占了由印军非法侵占的我方高地,并击毙印军13人,其中军官1人(准尉副排长),俘敌8人,其余向南溃逃。我军未予追击。战斗中,我方亡4人,伤11人。夺取印军非法强占的我方高地后,团指挥员立刻命令部队进行防御部署,准备抗击敌人的更大反扑。果然,下午二点左右,在印军位于纵深的大口径火炮支援下,约一个加强连的印军开始对我防御部队展开了攻击,但在我军的火力打击下,印军进攻没有成功。

            入夜,印军不断以迫击炮和纵深火炮对我阵地进行火力攻击,团指挥员判断印军可能在第二天天亮会继续攻击,命令部队加修工事,做好抗击敌人大规模入侵的准备。我军整夜抢时间构筑工事,利用印军留下的工程器材和物资,迅速完成了防御部署。

            上级接到报告后,立刻组织机动兵力增援巡逻队。西藏军区出动山地步兵53旅紧急增援,并将情况逐级报告到总参作战部。

            第三天天亮,印军果然以一个加强营的兵力在炮兵火力的支援下,向我边防巡逻队发起了进攻。战斗一直持续到下午。由于我军的顽强抗击,印军在伤亡了数十人后,停止了进攻。但随后印军出动战斗机和直升机,对我方进行了持续的侦察、威胁,并在纵深不断的增加兵力,准备更大的攻势。

            第三天夜晚,我山南军分区增援部队一个步兵营首先赶到,随即进入防御阵地。第四天,我山地步兵53旅陆续赶到,并带来了大口径火炮和火箭炮,我方力量进一步增强。同时,西藏军区也迅速派出指挥力量,在桑多河谷纵深开设了前进指挥所。

            印军也不断调集兵力。根据情报,印军总部向东部军区发出战争动员令,向冲突地区大规模增强兵力。冲突发生后两周,印军已经调集一个军部、二个师共约7个旅的兵力和大量的炮兵与坦克,开始组织大规模反扑。

            战争有可能迅速升级,总参作战部向第13、21、54集团军下达号令,要求三个集团军开赴西藏边境参加对印自卫反击战,确定第一批参战部队为149师、37师、61师和160师(即1962年在中印边境反击作战中取得瓦弄大捷的130师),并要求成都军区在西藏开设前进指挥所,组织预定参战部队指挥员前往战区勘察道路和地形。冲突发生半个月后,我预定参战部队师以上指挥员乘飞机到达前线,开始察看地形和道路情况,并受领成都军区首长下达的预定作战任务。6月份参战部队的团营两级指挥员到达前线,组织察看地形,受领任务,其中149师和37师先头部队已经到达前线。

            根据军委“保持克制,坚决反击”的指示,成都军区前指的决心是:以13集团军指挥山地步兵52旅、37师和160师在瓦弄和巴普卡方向作战,准备歼击位于该方向的印军第2师,以西藏军区前指指挥53旅、149师和21师,在德让宗至拉鲁地段作战,准备歼击印第4师,相机打击印第17师。要求部队在六月底战役集结和准备,7月作为战役开始的初步时间,待第二批作战部队到达后就开始发起进攻。战役以歼灭印军前线两个主力师,收复藏南争议土地两个重点为目标,一举夺回我方主张的领土边界。

            1962年中印边境战争的失败,使印度国内的一些鹰派分子很不服气。 1986年2月,印度鹰派将领克里希纳斯瓦米·桑搭吉上将被任命为陆军参谋长,他设法使印度政府批准了一个代号为“棋盘行动”的大规模军事演习,演练如何将位于阿萨姆平原的印度军队快速部署到同中国接壤的实际控制线附近。这次演习涉及印度陆军10个师和数个印度空军中队。印度陆军使用新装备的米-26重型直升机,将一个旅的部队空运到了靠近达旺的吉米塘。随后这支部队从塔格拉山口出发,越过纳木喀措,占据了附近的哈东山口。桑搭吉上将还把3个陆军师调到了旺敦附近,另有5万印军前往被他们称为“阿鲁纳恰尔中央直辖区”的中国藏南地区。

          位于西藏南部的达旺地区自古就是中国的领土,那里是六世达赖喇嘛的出生地,后来被印度非法占领。由于有1962年战争的教训,印度思考着如何才能长期霸占达旺地区。经过重新评估后,印度军事战略家认定,在未来的战争中,厄守住达旺就切断了中国通往印度的咽喉。桑搭吉不无得意地宣称,印度同中国存在着较大的边界分歧,印军的调动可以使北京认清形势。

          1986年底印度议会两院通过法案将非法侵占的中国藏南领土——他们所谓的“阿鲁纳恰尔中央直辖区”升格为“邦”。 北京不止一次向印度提出强烈抗议,印军高级将领丝毫没有退让的意思,反而下达了代号为“猎隼行动”的命令,桑搭吉试图在边境地带显示印军巨大的进攻实力,以此来压制中国军队。印军从西向东和从南向北部署重兵,米-26重型直升机频频起飞,步兵战车和装甲部队也出现在了锡金东北部。桑搭吉自认为印军已同1962年时完全不同,现在印军不仅熟悉地形,而且装备有大量的运输机和作战直升机,可提供给养、支持地面攻击。按照他的设想,如果中国军队像1962年那样发起反击,印军就可以利用新式装备“围歼”以轻装步兵发起进攻的中国军队。桑搭吉甚至计划一旦战争爆发,印军可进入中国西藏纵深作战,将战线推进至雅鲁藏布江一线。英国学者内维尔·马克斯韦尔撰写的《中印边界争端反思》一书称,当时印军打算使用一个师的兵力来“清除”桑多洛河谷地带的中国军队,但有两次均在最后一分钟撤消了攻击令。

          1987年4月15日,中国外交部发言人马毓真反驳了印度对中国的无理指责,马毓真指出,中国没有侵占过印度一寸土地,相反倒是中国的大片领土被印度占领着。中国已经基本完成裁减军队员额100万人的任务,而印度1987-1988年度国防预算却增加了43%。

          中国政府一贯主张通过友好协商,互谅互让的精神,早日合情合理地解决中印边界问题,但印度国内的鹰派言论已被煽动起来,舆论频频向中国发难,印军的动向也令人担忧。在这种情况下,中央军事委员会副主席杨尚昆在美国访问时表示,尽管中国要求和平解决问题,但如果印度坚持在边界沿线进行侵略性刺探,中国将不得不作出反应。

          就在西方媒体纷纷预测第二次中印战争会在何时爆发时,中国和印度之间化解“战争危机”的外交努力也在紧锣密鼓地进行着。时任印度总理的拉吉夫·甘地(英迪拉·甘地之子)并不希望鹰派分子真的挑起一场同中国的全面战争。从地缘政治和后勤方面考虑,无论胜负,同中国开战都是得不偿失的。中国外交部发言人马毓真也表示,如果印度从中印边境撤军,就可以使那里的紧张局势得以缓和。5月印度外交部长蒂瓦里在赴平壤参加不结盟国家外长会议期间顺访北京,他向中国领导人带去了拉吉夫·甘地的一个口信,即新德里不打算继续使边境地带的局势恶化。

          在国际上,苏联领导人戈尔巴乔夫也感到中印两国间有必要更认真、“更现实”地谈判,以便达成一项解决办法。当年7月,拉吉夫·甘地在北方邦国大党支持者的一次群众集会上说,有关中印边界局势的错误报道是由某些西方大国蓄意传播的,目的是要在印中两国之间制造误解和紧张。

          中印两国都意识到了边境地带对峙的危险性,两国政府决定逐渐减少在前沿地区的兵力部署,并重新开启双边对话。1988年12月,拉吉夫·甘地访问中国,寻求实现中印两国之间的真正和解,希望两国能共享和平之福。到1993年,两国签订了一项协定,以确保实际控制线两侧的和平,在这项协定中,引入了“平等互利”的安全原则。至此,这场边境危机终告化解。中国在这一次的反蚕食斗争中又一次取得了胜利,在边界上中国收复了自62年撤军后的部分领土,夺回了非法的“麦克马洪线”以南的部分土地。

  8. 在今后20年里,预料中国的国防开支将超过美国,达到1万亿美元以上。

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    阿三牛逼了,中国高层自己都还没想过以后20年军费怎么搞,他们就给怎么先预算好了。

  9. INDIA’S MILITARY
    by trader

    Strength should be 90,00,000 personnel so that we can match the threat of both China and minion Pakistan simultaneously.India should have 800,000 personnel in Tibet border compared to China’s 400,000.It understands only strength and not peace bull…t!!We have to put max of our resources into defense!!We don’t need repeat of Muslim and British rule again and national military pride should be the first priority!!!

    印度的兵力应该保持900万人的规模,这样才能抵御同时来自中国和巴基斯坦的威胁。其中,印度应该在xz边界部署80万人以应对中国的40万军队。我们务必把大多数资源投入到国防中,再也不要让msl和英国对印度的统治重演了。

    为什么不呢?快呀快呀!欢迎死了!