印度如何与中国构建平衡的经济关系,是朋友、敌人、竞争者还是投资者?在许多方面,中印的来往都存在障碍。从日食月食研究到佛教颂唱,很久以前中印之间曾经有丰富的文化连接,但是如今很少人记得起来了,诺贝尔经济学奖获得者Amartya Sen哀叹。在上世纪50年代的火热关系之后,中国在1962年的一次边境战争中重重打击了印度,从此以后两个国家持续在高海拔前线摩擦不断。印度眼红中国经济的腾飞,却酸葡萄说中国没有皿煮来安慰自己。

原文标题:Friend, enemy, rival, investor——How can India make its economic relations with China less lopsided?

朋友、敌人、竞争者、投资者 —— 印度如何与中国构建平衡的经济关系?

DEALINGS between India and China are stunted in many ways. Rich cultural links once existed long ago, from the study of eclipses to Buddhist chanting, but hardly anyone remembers that today, laments Amartya Sen, a Nobel-prize-winning economist. After a love-in during the 1950s, China thumped India in a border war in 1962, and the two have continued to growl over their high-altitude frontier since. Indians envy China’s economic rise, but console themselves by pointing out that it is no democracy. Aside from stiff displays of fraternity at summits, most recently the G20 bash in Mexico on June 18th-19th, China seems not to think much about India at all. Investment flows are negligible. There are still no direct flights between Beijing or Shanghai and Mumbai, India’s commercial hub.

在n多方面,中印的来往都存在障碍。从日食月食研究到佛教颂唱,很久以前中印之间曾经有丰富的文化连接,但是如今很少人记得起来了,诺贝尔经济学奖获得者Amartya Sen哀叹。在上世纪50年代的火热关系之后,中国在1962年的一次边境战争中重重打击了印度,从此以后两个国家持续在高海拔前线摩擦不断。印度眼红中国经济的腾飞,却酸葡萄说中国没有皿煮来安慰自己。除了高层首脑会议中僵硬滴展示彼此友谊,在最近6月18到19号墨西哥召开的G20大会上,中国看起来压根儿没把印度太当回事。投资几乎可以忽略不计。北京或上海到印度经济中枢孟买至今都没有直飞的航班。

And yet a huge shift has taken place in the make-up of Indian trade. When India began to liberalise its economy in 1991, the West still dominated the world economy, and it was to the West that India turned for trade. China’s rise has now changed everything—for India, too. China is now its third-largest trading partner in goods, and the biggest if you include Hong Kong. For China’s East Asian neighbours a dominant trade with China is a given, but Indians are still trying to digest the development.

Rising trade with China has been good for India. It mainly imports Chinese capital goods, with firms benefiting from cheap and decent gear. The giant Reliance Group has bought kit for power stations and telecoms networks—partly paid for with competitive Chinese loans. Chinese firms have often strived to win such business. Pan Song of Shanghai Electric, which makes power equipment for Reliance, among others, recounts years of hard slog in India.

印度贸易的面貌已经发生巨大的变化。1991印度开始实现经济自由化,那个时候西方主导了世界经济,而印度主要和西方进行贸易。中国的崛起改变了一切, 包括印度。当下中国是第三大货物贸易伙伴,如果加上香港,是第一大。对于中国的东亚邻居来说,和中国为主的贸易是美事,而印度仍然在消化发展问题。

与中国上升的贸易已经对印度产生了好处。印度主要从中国进口生产资料,公司从物廉价美的设备中得到实惠。巨头信实集团购买了发电站和电信网络套装——一部分用优惠的中国贷款支付。中国公司经常努力赢得此类业务。特别地,为信实生产电力设备的上海电力Pan Song,在印度积累了数年苦干的经验。

But for India the China connection is also disconcerting. For every dollar’s worth of exports to China, India imports three, leading to a trade deficit of up to $40 billion in the year to March 2012, or about 2% of GDP (see chart). China accounts for a fifth of India’s overall trade deficit with the world, over half if oil is excluded. Given India’s balance-of-payments woes—the rupee has fallen by a fifth in the past year—even Chinese businessmen worry that the discrepancy in bilateral trade is unhealthy.

And it may grow larger. For a start, the little manufacturing India has tends to be quite high-end. As Chinese firms shift to more complex forms of production, they will make life harder for Indian firms. Saif Qureishi of Kryfs, which makes the metal cores of transformers used in, for example, power grids, says China has won a third of the Indian transformer market and is giving locals “a bloody nose”.


但对印度,中国贸易是令人担心的。印度每向中国出口一美元的货物,印度进口三美元,导致截止2012年3月高达400亿美元的贸易赤字,差不多2%的 GDP(见上图)。中国占了印度全球贸易赤字的五分之一,如果排除石油,那是一半。加上印度收支平衡灾难——过去一年卢比贬值了五分之一——连中国商人都在担心贸易不平衡是不健康的。

不平衡还可能变大。首先,小制造业的印度倾向于高端。随着中国公司转向更加复杂的制造形态,将使印度公司日子越来越难过。Kryfs的Saif Qureishi是制造变压器用的金属核心,如电网,说中国已经赢得了三分之一印度变压器市场,迎面痛击了本土公司。

Meanwhile, India does not produce much that China wants to buy, a hole that British colonial rulers once plugged with exports of Indian opium. Today India’s main exports to China are less iniquitous raw materials, mainly minerals and cotton. But their continuing success is not a given. In the past two years the rivers flowing down to Goa on India’s west coast have teemed with barges carrying iron ore bound for China. Yet a crackdown in late 2011 on illegal mining has seen volumes fall by a fifth, says Atul Jadhav, of the Goa Barge Owners’ Association. In March India briefly banned cotton exports because of fears of shortages.

India is indeed prone to protectionist impulses. No bilateral free-trade agreement exists, and India often flirts with slapping duties on Chinese imports, most recently of power equipment. The Indian sales of Huawei, a telecoms firm, fell by half after it was hit with anti-dumping duties and labelled a security risk. Chinese firms complain of trouble with visas.

同时,印度不能制造中国需要的产品,当年英国殖民者用鸦片出口来填塞这个窟窿。今天,印度主要向中国出口低附加值的原材料,矿物和棉花。但是他们持续的成功不是注定的。在过去两年里,流向印度西海岸果阿邦的河流里充满了为中国运送铁矿石的驳船。果阿驳船主联合会的Atul Jadhav说,2011下半年针对非法采矿的一次整顿使得运货量下降了五分之一。因为担心短缺,3月份短暂禁止棉花出口。


More hopefully, India wants to boost its exports to China. At the G20 summit it struck a deal to sell more rice. India would also like leading firms in industries including drugs, carmaking and IT to have better access to China. Most already have a presence, if only for procurement. Yet what is good for Indian multinationals may not generate jobs or foreign exchange for India. Tata Sons, with the biggest China operation, mainly sells Range Rover cars, made in Britain, and IT services, largely employing local Chinese staff.

And so the trade deficit looks likely to stay. Yet China could do more to help finance it, if given the chance. More loans from Chinese banks would be good—so far India has been wary, with only one Chinese bank allowed to have a branch there. More foreign direct investment would help, too. In 2011 Narendra Modi, the chief minister of Gujarat state, visited China to drum up investment. More often, India seems to regard FDI as the gift of Western multinationals alone.

有希望的是,印度想加强对中国的出口。在G20高峰会议上,它达成一个协议销售更多的稻米。印度期望工业界的一些领头公司,如制药、汽车和IT能够更好滴进入中国。如果只是为了采购,大部分公司已经去中国了。然而对印度跨国公司,最好的并非为印度产生工作机会或者获得外汇。在中国运营最大的Tata Sons,主要生产路虎揽胜,在英国制造,IT服务方面主要雇佣中国本土员工。


It need not be so. In a dusty bit of Maharashtra state sits one of the first Chinese factories in India, run by Sany, which makes diggers and other construction machines. Richard Deng, its boss, says it has invested $70m and employs 460 locals; if all goes to plan it will double in size before long. T.C.A. Ranganathan, chairman of Exim Bank of India, reckons ten Chinese firms have or are building plants in India, and 100 firms have offices there.

Despite the usual cold sweats foreigners have about India (nightmarish red tape, a cultural gap), Chinese executives agree that more local production will take place. Sun Haiyan of Trina Solar, a solar-equipment firm, says that, as a global company, it has to manufacture locally. Wu Rong of ZTE, a telecoms concern, says it employs mainly locals and is producing more in India. Huawei, its India problems notwithstanding, is building a new research campus in Bangalore. Niu Qingbao, China’s consul in Mumbai, says Chinese firms are mustard-keen to invest in infrastructure, if also a little daunted.

Might this be the start of a wave of Chinese investment? India needs outside capital, and expertise in manufacturing and infrastructure. China must invest its surplus funds abroad, ideally not just in government bonds—as mostly happens in America—and ideally in countries that are not about to go belly up, as may happen in Europe. Chinese investment in India is an idea whose time has come, if only the two sides can conquer a legacy of mistrust.

没必要这样的。在灰尘漫天的马哈拉斯特拉邦,有一个三一重工运营、中国在印度的第一批工厂,生产挖掘机和其他建筑机械。公司老板,Richard Deng,说已经投资了7000万美元和雇佣了460名当地员工;如果一切按计划运作,不久以后公司规模将会翻倍。印度Exim银行的主席,T.C.A. Ranganathan, 估计10个中国公司已经或者正在印度盖工厂,100个公司设立了办公室。

尽管印度的情况让外国人冒冷汗(噩梦般的繁文缛节,文化隔阂),中国执行官们赞同更多的本土制造。太阳能设备公司天合光能的Sun Haiyan表示,作为全球公司,必须当地制造。电信公司中兴的Wu Rong,称公司在印度主要雇佣本地人、更多滴在本地生产。华为,尽管有印度的问题,正在班加罗尔建造一个新的研究园区。中国驻孟买领事牛庆宝称虽然有些让人气馁,但中国公司对基础设施投资有着强烈的兴趣。



Mahesh7863 mins ago

India is developing very slowly comparing to China. I support both countries relations ships.


IllegalOccupierJuly 6th, 22:57

Whatever it takes, it is economy not war. Mr. Smart.


godwatchingJuly 6th, 21:25

Indian and Chinese and the rest of the countries must remember that the former colonist British is always try to provoke none- anglo nations to have conflits with each others for their own interest! You can see the British and the U.S together oppose the EU to have the influence in financial power to replace the dollar. Remenber the former British female priminster Tacher hoped the German not able to become united.


Communal Award in reply to godwatching59 mins ago

"Power will go to the hands of rogues and freebooters. All Indian leaders will be of low caliber and men of straw. They will have sweet tongues and silly hearts. They will fight amongst themselves for power and India will be lost in political squabbles" --Winston Churchill


udaybalakrishnanJuly 6th, 17:00
India has terrific potential an aging China cannot ignore. Silly India seeks to confront China when it should be collaborating. China of course smug in its current economic success is ignoring India just when it should be going all out to have it on its side. No country can sustain China's growth and grow itself as India.


ewakornJuly 6th, 03:21

The obsession of India comparing itself to China is just like China's obsession in comparing itself to U.S.

India badmouths China's social and political system. China also badmouths the social and political system of U.S.

But in reality both countries admire their adversaries.


Devils Advocate_1 in reply to ewakornJuly 6th, 05:23

[ewakorn1 hour 57 mins ago

The obsession of India comparing itself to China is just like China's obsession in comparing itself to U.S.

India badmouths China's social and political system. China also badmouths the social and political system of U.S.

But in reality both countries admire their adversaries.]

I thought it is Uncle who obsessively "badmouth" China. Does Uncle admire China? Can you give supports to your claim?

As for China "badmouthing" India, I think it is mostly confine to the Chinese ultra-nationalists on the web and most of the time in response to Indian ultra-nationalists "badmouthing" China. It is rare to hear Chinese officials "badmouthing" India.





PL123 in reply to Devils Advocate_1July 6th, 12:34

I thought it is Uncle who obsessively "badmouth" China. Does Uncle admire China? Can you give supports to your claim?

As for China "badmouthing" India, I think it is mostly confine to the Chinese ultra-nationalists on the web and most of the time in response to Indian ultra-nationalists "badmouthing" China. It is rare to hear Chinese officials "badmouthing" India.

@ Devil

Totally agreed.



happyfish18 in reply to Devils Advocate_1July 6th, 07:17

If they are so engrossed into bad-mouthing envy, at the end of the day they will both be inadvertently backward-assed by the Hegemon.


silent night in reply to ewakornJuly 6th, 09:54

It is difficult to find a report which badmouths India in China's official media.

On the contrary,you will find many deified India's reports, by describing India as a "democratic paradise",everything is free,food,education etc.,authors show their displeasure to dictatorial goverment.Of course,some people also will badmouth India in the unofficial media,especially the Internet,but it is non-mainstream in China.

Now China goverment don't really badmouth the social and political system of U.S.In most cases,it is only as a way of diplomatic response once US badmouths China goverment.Few people will care about the diplomatic Parlances,how to badmouth US's,including CCP itself.

China's obsession in comparing itself to U.S.? I don't think so,this is basically fifty-fifty.Many Chinese don't think that US is the best model for China in many fields,they more admire Japan,Germany or some Nordic countries.After all,China has its own unique culture,as a unified country for most time of its histroy. A highly homogenized country in race,culture,language etc.


ewakorn in reply to silent nightJuly 6th, 10:48

Devil's Advocate & Silent Night:

I didn't write China (actually I mean the Chinese media) badmouthing India's social and political systems. I only wrote India (media) badmouthing China's social and political system while China (media) badmouthing the political and social systems of U.S.

Do Chinese admire Japan more than U.S.?

I didn't see loads of Chinese touring the campus of Waseda or Keio but I saw loads of Chinese touring the campus of Harvard and Stanford.


PL123 in reply to ewakornJuly 6th, 12:43

@ ewakorn
I must disagree with you.

How many Chinese media really reported anything about India, not many. This is the problem because chinese and media simply ignore India and Indian. At the same time Indian media had MUCH more reports of China, and compare China with India.

It is not strange at all when CHinese touring Harvard and Stanford, same as they tour BMW and Daimler factories. Chinese had long history admired America, Europe, but not so to Japan because of historical reason. And why Chinese should admire Japan, Japan is just American Vassal state. And Chinese want to chase USA, but not admire.

I am surprise you don't know this...


Bismarck888 in reply to PL123July 6th, 16:13

Well you must be the exception because you badmouth everyone with that 10 year old potty mouth of yours. What do you do when you visit US of A, visit a meth lab. What do you when you visit London? Go to the British Musuem and look at all the treasures stolen during the Opium War. That motivate you tell sell more drugs to British people.


PL123 in reply to Bismarck888July 6th, 19:52

I sell Bismarck-meat-drug to Jewish-Spy-fake-Bismarck only, no one else!!


我只卖Bismarck肉-毒品给犹太间谍-伪Bismarck! 大笑.... (看回帖作者昵称)

Jean MichelJuly 6th, 03:06

One of the major problems of India is that it has not yet freed itself from the shackles of colonialism. Psychologically, it is still under the yoke of the western countries, which is not the case of China. For one thing, India still uses the English language as the main vehicle of communication for administration and academic and economic related activities. China, on the other hand, uses its own language. Though a large proportion of Chinese learn English, the latter remains a second language.
Furthermore, India must be more independent and must develop its own industries. China, for instance, has developed independently its spatial program and high-speed rail program. I do not mean that India must also have a spatial and high-speed rail program. It can choose other fields and be among the best if not the best in the chosen fields, whether it be movies, computer software, etc.
Indian are capable as shown by the success of many Indians who have emmigrated to other countries. One American girl of Indian origin even went to space, though she exploded mid-air along with the vehicle that was taking her. But, besides that, there are many very successful businessmen of Indian origin in the UK and the USA. I understand the CEO of Pepsi cola is one of Indian origin as the CEOs of a few financial institutions in the US. So, why is it that India cannot show itself a major power if not the dominant power in at least one particular field? China, as I said, is doing it in high-speed rail, spatial exploration, the development of mega-infrastructures, etc.


the_genius in reply to Jean MichelJuly 6th, 10:23

India uses English only because India has 30 languages, so it uses English as a common language.


Jean Michel in reply to the_geniusJuly 6th, 10:56

Does it make sense for the Indians to continue using the language of their colonisers as the common language after 60 years of independence? You must not forget that the Indians had a higher level of civilisation than their colonisers for more than 2,000 years before that.
India can well choose one of the 30 languages as the national language instead of using a totally foreign language.


NielsAbel in reply to Jean MichelJuly 6th, 12:41

I don't know if you had to include that she "exploded mid-air."

However, it's true that the diaspora from the the BRIC countries do very well for themselves.

Sorry, I know it's a cardinal sin to include Wikipedia links, but I think they're worth looking at. Pakistanis do quite well, too.



Johnny 123 in reply to Jean MichelJuly 6th, 14:02

Ideally, this sounds like a good thing to do. But practically, very difficult to implement. It is impossible to choose one national language without disadvantaging other sections, and will only result in internal disharmony. The languages are quite different, especially between the north & south. But English as a common language would ensure everyone competes on the same level (read no one section has undue advantages)

It would be better to not view English as the "language of the colonizers" (even though it is!) and rather look at it as the global business language. At least Indians will become more competitive globally. Is it also not one reason why IT Services picked up much faster in India rather than in China?

And btw - It was tried in the past to introduce a language called "Hindustani", but it failed due to a large number of protests from people who spoke other languages.


Jean Michel in reply to Johnny 123July 6th, 16:40

Are all the Indians at the same level with respect to the English language?
The population of India is around 1.2 billion. Do they all master the English language? What is the percentage of the population who do not speak English at all? Is it not more than 50%? Then, are those more than 50% of the population who do not speak English not at a disadvantage compared to those who speak English? Are they not barred from policitical and administrative carreers or even business.
In some countries, there are more than one national language. Is it not possible for india to declare two or three official languages?
In China, there are more than 50 ethnic groups and their languages are totally different, yet there is a single national language. And even this language is spoken differently in different regions, but one has been choson as the official and national language.


yankeedudeJuly 6th, 00:43

I have been visited both countries, of course China is more frequently, they share some common but most parts are quite different: if you view the facts about trade, it's truly a mirror to reflect both nation's industry identity, India isn't ready to compete with China on industry fields at all, China's steel/heavy industry is about 45% of world total output which nearly 2nd to 20th countries combined, many naive comments like Chinese only make cheap stuff, remind all: they are the one of three Airbus manufacturer - and only one outside the Euro, biggest bullet train manufacturer, made fastest computer in 2010,...etc, only one thing I am sure Indian would very likely pass China in decade away - its population. forget about BRICs, those three are leaves, China is only flower.

我去过两个国家,去中国更多一点。他们有共同点,但大部分非常大的差异:如果你观察商贸事实,切实滴反映出两个国家工业特征,印度根本没准备好和中国在工业上竞争。中国钢铁和重工业占了全世界产出的近45%,几乎是第2到20名国家的总和。n多幼稚的评论,比如中国只制造便宜货,提醒所有人:他们是3个空客制造商之一 ——欧盟以外唯一国家,最大的高铁制造商,2010年生产了最快的计算机...等等。只有一件事看起来印度最可能在10年后超过中国 —— 人口。别提金砖国家,那三个都挂了,中国是唯一的花朵。

mommus in reply to yankeedudeJuly 6th, 12:33

I'm no Sinophobe but...

Airbus parts come from dozens of countries around the world. Final assembly takes place in four nations, with the Tianjin plant assembling a limited number of their smallest jet. Like the Ipod, the innovation and engineering takes place in the West, the Chinese merely assemble the pre-made parts. Airbus' decision to locate a plant in China has nothing to do with the quality of Chinese manufacturing, and everything to do with import tariffs.

...I would also add that the fastest computer in 2010 was assembled in China from thousands of Nvidia processors - an American product.


yankeedude in reply to mommusJuly 6th, 16:49

Airbus's supply chain come over worldwide, but NO India(only Bangalore service center), thousands sub-contractor made part from France, Germany, Sweden, UK, Russia, Canada, Spain, China, Japan...etc, assembly only located in France, Germany and China. in next 20-30 years only 3 country has technology, funding, and manpower to compete world fastest computer: USA, China and Japan, 95% assembly robots of US big 3 vehicle manufacturer are made in Japan, so it's pretty pale to point China to use American chip build it's own computer system.


somethingtureJuly 6th, 00:32

friend=cerntainly, in the long ran, they will both be enemies of the USA, so it is only a matter of time

enemy=surely interms of territory and pakistan

rival=not yeat, as their advantages are differed, india, information tech, china, whole seys of industry

investor=as both countries are keen to navgating the outside world, internationally they can cooperate, and they both have huge domestic market to explore.

from the comments i saw
chinese=feeling good and showing their pride with solid reason

indian=want to be acknowledged, modest but in a pretentious way







UthredJuly 5th, 23:55

Sad to see that most comments are about people trying to claim which country is better than the other rather than how both countries can grow together which was the underlying thesis of the article itself.


Malhar MehtaJuly 5th, 23:29

In my view, and I am an Indian, most commentators on this post overstate the problem of casteism in India. Casteism was historically a very great evil but the greatest problems India is facing today are income inequality and the all-pervasive corruption. Casteism is a very significant reason for income inequality. But the terrible policies pursued by Indian leaders in the 70s and 80s were, in my view an even greater evil. This income inequality is entrenched due to the corrupt, Byzantine bureaucracy of India which implements the pseudo-socialist policies of India's elected politicians. I say pseudo-socialist because these policies are ideally socialist but in reality they only increase corruption in addition to increasing India's already burgeoning fiscal deficit.
The income inequality in turn leads to a lower level of education among the poorer sections of the society which is the crux of the problem. Then unscrupulous politicians take advantage of these poor, uneducated people and advance those same policies which maintain the status-quo and the vicious cycle continues.
The only way to break free from this cycle is to somehow ensure that everyone gets a quality education which would increase public awareness and lead to Indian people making better use of their democracy.



ltjjliz in reply to Malhar MehtaJuly 6th, 13:22

In China, there is also severe income inequality and the disturbing corruption,however, there is indeed an necessary for India to learn from its great neighbor to inform its kids who are born in the lowest social class that "It depends on the effort I invest and I can succeed if I study hard", rather than the rooted idea that "I will be among my own social class, my abhorrent born social class..."
Just make the slogan "Knowledge changes fate" a social consensus.


Iskandar AliJuly 5th, 22:05

Todays India with is corrpution, lack of human rights, intolerance, poor quality etc. have very little that is positive to offer to the world. Made in India is well known for it's poor quality. Nobody would want to buy anything from India when they can get better and cheaper products elsewhere. Certainly China as well as other countries that can afford it, will choose quality imports from Europe especially Germany over whatever products that is Made in India. In the nut shell, that summarizes the trade deficit India have with China and other countries.


NielsAbel in reply to Iskandar AliJuly 5th, 23:55

No offense to China but low end, cheap products are associated with China, not India. I don't remember ever seeing a made in India label.

India is responsible for high quality steel, among other things. And I don't know if you could call it made in India, but Tata owns both Range Rover and Jaguar.

But I do think it's great that Pakistanis who come on here conveniently leave their own country out whenever posting. I'd be embarrassed, too, if my country were considered a terrorist state. There are 160 million Muslims in India. How many Hindus are there in Pakistan? They've all been wiped out. Even your terrorists call India rich and use it as a way to incite hatred in poor Pakistanis. India has its problems (one of them being Pakistani terrorists), but we at least openly discuss them. You're too ashamed to even mention you're Pakistani.


Hyperspacer in reply to NielsAbelJuly 6th, 03:48

China does make a lot of cheap stuff. But China is moving up the value chain pretty fast and increasingly China is making more and more quality products. Here is a website dedicated to the quality products made in China.


NielsAbelJuly 5th, 19:33
First, I should say, if you're the self-righteous, judgmental type, you should probably just skip this post. Let's put aside whatever value judgments that can be made, and look at this at least somewhat objectively.I think it's a mistake to think of India as poor in the traditional sense, since there may actually be a sharp dividing line. I can't say for sure, but the high castes in India are already probably much richer than the Chinese. You might ask what relevance this has since the richest subset of Chinese are rich, too. This is where it gets iffy, but the difference is that the rich and the poor in China are both ethnically Han Chinese. India has no such powerful common denominator. It's probably best to think of India to think of two different countries (or possibly many different countries), one well off and one very poor, which suddenly had to become one country. For example, would it make sense to dump the German population in a poor country with a much larger population and still call that country poor? Maybe, but it would cause you to oversimplify the new nation and vastly underestimate it in geopolitical terms.

To have a powerful country, you don't need your entire population to be wealthy and educated, just have a large enough population. This might at least partially help explain why India already has a successful space program and other advanced capabilities despite being considerably "poorer" than China. It doesn't make much sense to compare a country where only 10-15% of a population contribute all of its scientists and businessmen to a country like China just yet without adding some qualifiers. People think India and China are comparable in population, but in some sense at least, they're not.

Now before you use this as a way to demonize India, however, the same issues are present in Western countries (The black-white divide) and all countries in general in varying degrees. The difference is only that in regards to India, the West gives it a different name -- caste -- so as not to draw attention to its own problems when self-righteously attacking India. Also, this shouldn't be seen as praising the Chinese or denouncing India. China has been blessed with a much easier situation ethnically.


PL123 in reply to NielsAbelJuly 5th, 20:05

The point is a powerful country with half hungry population and half illiterate, and half have no clean water, half have no electricity...
And do you still call this is a powerful country. Who do you want to cheat! Yourself, may be.

China is NOT a powerful country yet!!

关键是一个强大的国家有一半饿肚子的人口、一半文盲、还有一半没有清洁的水,一半没有电... 你还把这个国家称作强国。你骗谁啊!可能你只是骗自己。


NielsAbel in reply to PL123July 5th, 20:13

No, it's definitely not powerful. The point was just that India's situation is complicated. I'm worried these issues will become even more obvious the richer India gets.
I am saying India still has the potential to be powerful if this trend continues, though, but it makes less sense to compare China and India at this point than people think.


NielsAbel in reply to PL123July 5th, 20:57

Also, just to clarify: I agree that it's terrible. And there's no point in "power," outside of the human welfare. I had just promised not to make any value judgments. But I realize now people could take my post the wrong way.


Darrick Im in reply to PL123July 5th, 21:49

You've gotten the wrong country. China is not a country that is half illiterate. China literacy rate is 90% its way higher than that of India. China's population is relatively well fed and he majority of its population is electrified and with water. China unlike India addresses its problems quick and serious, your data or information is already outdated.


Uthred in reply to Darrick ImJuly 5th, 23:38

$8400 GDP/capita does not a powerful country make.


Darrick Im in reply to UthredJuly 5th, 23:45

So by your definition of powerful, Singapore, Qatar, Norway, and Luxemborg are more powerful than USA, Japan, UK, Germany, France, etc.? What power does a high GDP per capita country have? What is your definition of power? A powerful country doesn't need to have a high GDP/capita.


Uthred in reply to Darrick ImJuly 6th, 02:06

Ah yes, please take the time to learn some basic logical reasoning and then we shall have a more productive debate:


PL123 in reply to NielsAbelJuly 6th, 12:50

Every nation has potential to be super power, even African countries. In fact some African countries manage better than India and much more willing to improve life.


PL123 in reply to Darrick ImJuly 6th, 12:53

You are the one need to update your reading ability!


Communal Award in reply to Darrick ImJuly 6th, 19:21

hegemony in politics/business will disintegrate India. e.g USSR


SrieJuly 5th, 14:13
The topic given is about the Economic relations between INDIA and CHINA.
So if a comment has to be made, please stay on the subject and talk about the economic problems being faced, If you cannot, please refrain from commenting.
PS: To all those who are deviating from the subject, and taking things in their own perspective.

所以评论请与经济话题保持一致,如果不能就憋住别评论。PS. 给所有楼歪歪的和自管自说话的。

somethingtureJuly 5th, 08:38
USA=old dog, still barking
china=young dog, ready fighting
india=little puppy, shitting,sleeping and growing
the economist=bad dog=always provoking lol





PKKZXxho4DJuly 5th, 05:58

This is an ostensibly biased article, probably sponsored by the investment council of China, aimed to directly influence international opinion on India and indirectly exert pressure on India's own policy-makers to open doors to Chinese investment. The article terms India's policies protectionist on various counts and does not even make a mention of China's artificial suppression of its own currency and rampant government subsidies to boost exports, in an attempt to drive international competition out of the market! Tells us a thing or two about the 'independence' of media and its clandestine agenda..


Howard BlackJuly 5th, 03:29

The two countries should encourage the more trade and exchange of personal in order to build a lasting mutual trust.


Jean MichelJuly 4th, 23:57

The behaviour of India on the World's stage is very strange and unusual. It is submissive, like a slave towards his master, vis-a-vis the UK and the US, but at the same time, it is confrontational, like a wrestler on a ring, vis-a-via China. It is as if India suffers from some kind of inferority complex. It should not act like that. It must deal with other countries on an equal basis, not being submissive nor confrontational.


NielsAbel in reply to Jean MichelJuly 5th, 01:36

India recently bypassed US sanctions against Iran. In fact, I can't remember one thing India has done in its history to justify calling the India-US relationship anything more than neutral. India and the US have never had anything more than a distant relationship, so this shows you're content with making things up to get a rise out of a few Indians.

Whether or not it's a good thing, there is no political alliance where India is "submissive." The only countries India has strong ties with are Russia, Israel, France, and Bangladesh. Others it keeps at a cynical arm's length.

The inferiority complex is yours for concocting ideas to boost your nationalistic ego.


Hyperspacer in reply to Jean MichelJuly 5th, 02:07

Actually I think India knows well that its relation with the US is not one of equal, so sometimes it overcompensated by deliberately being confrontational to the US to show India is not submissive. For example, when Clinton was in Delhi to push India to join Iran's oil sanction, India have the Iranian delegation visiting Delhi at the same time discussing Indian investment in Iran. When India's foreign minister Krishna visited Washington for the Indo-US economic strategic dialogue, he went straight to Cuba, via Canada, on his next leg of the trip, knowing full well that Cuba is basically a pariah country to the US.


NirbodhJuly 4th, 23:51
India needs a social revolution to get its age old caste based society that denies a fair go for most of its citizens, before it can even start a meaningful economic revolution.
As far as the most vaunted Indian democracy is concerned, all Indians know the realty in their heart - it is democracy at its worst in most part of India; either feudal or strongman democracy where most people vote en-block at the direction of their masters.
The British left behind that form of colonial democracy only to safeguard their interests through the local elites, whose interests under the system are more aligned with their foreign masters than their compatriot country men.
Democracy in any form is just another means to decide on who governs, but the society s' ultimate goal is to have good governance, rule of law, security and economic well being for most of its citizens. On all counts, China has achieved and moved far ahead of India, while India flags its very flawed feudal democracy.
Without a comprehensive social reform, India going anywhere is a pipe dream that higher caste Indians fantasised through thousands years of its history. Will they ever wake up? OR will some one be able to dislodge from the chest of India? These are the moot questions, as far as India's future goes.



soffinaJuly 4th, 14:54

The trade balance in favor of China is not so important as a bilateral payment mechanism. After all, both the countries know that the US dollar cannot be relied on.

I do see this happening soon and Japan will also join in - all of this before 2016.

Best wishes

Kishore Nair from Mumbai


No MistJuly 4th, 14:53

protectionism is a foolhardy instinct. india must make hay while it can. chinese cheap production will not last long. buy all the power equipment, electronics, machinery, etc at rock bottom prices. to win markets chinese are burning their midnight meal. why not take advantage of it.


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