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印度防卫网:发展中的中国洲际弹道导弹计划

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印度防卫论坛:发展中的中国洲际弹道导弹计划。周四在五角大楼,海军太平洋舰队司令在最近的一份报告中概述了越来越多来自中国洲际弹道导弹的威胁,并预计中国在未来15年内可能拥有100枚能够打到美国的洲际弹道导弹。这份存疑的报告,被称为“2013年的弹道导弹和巡航导弹的威胁评估”,来自国家空天情报中心,声称中国的弹道导弹发展计划是世界上“最活跃和最多样化”的。

译者:ngageboy
译文来源:http://bbs.santaihu.com/thread-6899-1-1.html
原帖地址:http://www.indiandefence.com/forums/china/28966-growing-chinese-icbm-programme.html#ixzz2ZHfqdgpI

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growing chinese ICBM programme

发展中的中国洲际弹道导弹计划

The Commander of the Navy’s Pacific Fleet addressed a recent report Thursday at the

Pentagon that outlines a growing Chinese intercontinental ballistic threat that estimates that the Chinese could have over 100 ICBMs able to reach the U.S. in 15 years.

周四在五角大楼,海军太平洋舰队司令在最近的一份报告中概述了越来越多来自中国洲际弹道导弹的威胁,并预计中国在未来15年内可能拥有100枚能够打到美国的洲际弹道导弹。

The report in question, called the 2013 Ballistic and Cruise Missile Threat Assessment from the National Air and Space Intelligence Center, called China’s ballistic missile development program the “most active and diverse” in the world.

这份存疑的报告,被称为“2013年的弹道导弹和巡航导弹的威胁评估”来自国家空天情报中心,声称中国的弹道导弹发展计划是世界上“最活跃和最多样化”的。

“China has the most active and diverse ballistic missile development program in the world. It is developing and testing offensive missiles, forming additional missile units,qualitatively upgrading missile systems, and developing methods to counter ballistic missile defenses.

“中国拥有世界上最活跃和最多样化的弹道导弹发展计划。它正在开发和测试进攻性导弹,形成额外的导弹部队,升级导弹系统的性能,探索反导系统的方法。

The Chinese ballistic missile force is expanding in both size and types of missiles,” the report stated. The report also specifies that the Chinese military continues to develop and deploy large numbers of conventionally armed short and medium range ballistic missiles while developing a new submarine launched ballistic missile, the JL-2.

“报告称,中国的弹道导弹部队正在扩大导弹的规模和类型。该报告还提出,中国军队在不断发展和部署大量常规弹头的短程和中程弹道导弹,同时开发新的潜射弹道导弹,巨浪-2。

Adm. Samuel J. Locklear III, commander of U.S. Pacific Command, or PACOM, tried to emphasize what he called substantial “progress” in the U.S. to Chinese military-to-military relationship, but he acknowledged issues the U.S. military is facing with the Chinese in the Pacific. “There is no need or intention for us to have a military containment strategy with China.

美国太平洋司令部司令海军上将塞缪尔·洛克利尔三世,试图强调他所谓的美国军方与中国的军事关系正取得实质性的“进步”,在但他承认,美军正面对中国在太平洋的(挑战)。 “美国没有必要也没有意图制定军事围堵中国的战略。”

We are too interconnected in too many ways,” Locklear told reporters July 11 at the
Pentagon. The intelligence report mentioned Anti-Access/Area-Denial concerns and also explains that the Chinese military uses nuclear armed ballistic missiles for regional nuclear deterrence.

“我们太多的方式互联,”洛克利尔7月11日在五角大楼里告诉记者。情报报告提到对反介入/区域封锁关注,并且还解释说,中国军队将核弹道导弹作为地区核威慑力量。

In addition, the NASIC report says China is acquiring new conventionally armed medium range ballistic missiles to conduct precision strikes called CSS-5 MRBMs. “These systems are likely intended to hold at risk or strike logistics nodes, regional military bases including airfields and ports and naval assets,” the report states.

此外,国家空天情报中心(NASIC)报告说,中国正在获得新型常规弹头,称为东风-21(CSS-5)的中程弹道导弹进行精确打击。 “这些系统用于保持威慑或打击后勤设施,区域性军事基地包括机场,港口和海军有价值目标,”报告指出。

Locklear has been to Beijing and met with his Chinese counterparts. He said there is ongoing dialogue between the two militaries regarding what he called “the rules of the road.”

When asked if China’s military expansion was a threat to the U.S., Locklear seemed to emphasize the importance of maintaining a watchful eye regarding Chinese intentions— but explained Chinese military and economic growth as an “opportunity.”

洛克利尔已经抵达北京并会见了中国军方。他说正在进行的两军之间的对话,他称之为“交通规则”当被问及如果中国的军事扩张威胁到美国,洛克利尔似乎强调对中国的意图保持一双警觉的眼睛是十分重要的,但解释说中国军事和经济的增长(对美国)是一个“机遇”。

“I look at them as an opportunity. If that opportunity is not realized, as with any foreign military, that opportunity could potentially become a threat — but I certainly view it and approach it as an opportunity. It is a natural thing for them, as their global economic power grows, for them to have security interests beyond their backyard,” Locklear told reporters.

“我视他们为机遇。如果没有意识到这个机遇,与任何外国军事,都可能会成为一种威胁 – 但我肯定会视作机遇去观察并接触。这是很自然的事情,对于他们来说,他们的全球经济力量在增长,让他们有开始超出后院的安全利益,”洛克利尔告诉记者。

In fact, Locklear mentioned the U.S. military and China’s People’s Liberation Army recently completed humanitarian disaster relief exercises hosted by Brunei this past month.

“Participants from a total of 18 nations exercised multilateral responses to a training scenario involving a post-tropical revolving storm typhoon rescue, survey, recovery and disaster relief in the vicinity of the District of Temburong, as well as other locations in Bandar Seri Begawan, Muara Naval Base and Rimba Air Force Base,” said Lt. Anthony Falvo, Pacific fleet spokesman.

事实上,洛克利尔提到了上个月在文莱,美军和中国解放军完成了人道主义救灾演习。

“在淡布隆区附近,一共有18个国家与会者参与的多边协商,涉及淡布隆附近地区热带风暴过后的救援、调查、恢复和救灾,还在其他如穆阿拉(Muara)海军基地和锐姆吧(Rimba)空军基地等地,”太平洋舰队发言人安东尼·法尔沃中尉说。

Locklear also mentioned anticipated Chinese participation in the upcoming U.S.-led multi-national exercises called Rim of the Pacific, slated for the summer of 2014. “This is a big step for the Chinese Navy. They are excited about coming and participating,” Locklear explained. In addition, the USS Shiloh, a guided missile cruiser, just completed a port visit in Zhanjiang, China for a four day stay, he added.

洛克利尔还提到预计在2014年夏天即将到来以美国为首的环太平洋多国演习,将有中国参与。“这是中国海军的一大进步。他们高兴能加入和参与,”洛克利尔解释。此外,夏洛号导弹巡洋舰,刚刚完成了一次对中国湛江为期4天的访问,他补充说。

Chinese ships will be docking for visits at U.S. Navy ports in the near future, Locklear said. Unlike his reaction to Chinese expansion, Locklear was less positive when asked about the likelihood of continued North Korean provocations.

中国的军舰将在不远的将来访问美海军,洛克利尔说。不像他对中国扩张的反应,当被问及朝鲜继续挑衅的可能性时,洛克利尔的回应就不太积极了。

“They have a cycle of provocation where they institute a provocation against South Korea, the region or the U.S. and raise the level of rhetoric to bring you to a dialogue that allows them to stay in power and allows them to try to extract some kind of deal,” Locklear explained. In particular, Locklear was asked about North Korea’s recent unveiling of a new road-mobile Hwasong-13 ICMB and continued development of its Taepo Dong-2 missile, both of which were cited specifically in the NASIC intelligence report.

“他们会周期性地去挑衅韩国、本地区或美国,高水平言论带来的对话,让他们继续执政,让他们试着获取某种交易”,洛克利尔解释。特别是,当洛克利尔被问及的朝鲜最近推出新公路机动“火星(Hwasong) -13”洲际弹道导弹和不断发展的大浦洞2型导弹,这两者情报都在国家空天情报中心(NASIC)的报告中特别提到。

“North Korea has an ambitious ballistic missile development program and has exported missiles and missile technology to other countries, including Iran and Pakistan. North Korea has also admitted its possession of nuclear weapons. An intermediate-range ballistic missile and a new solid propellant short-range ballistic missile are also being developed,” the report says.

“朝鲜弹道导弹有一个雄心勃勃的发展计划,并已出口到其他国家,包括对伊朗和巴基斯坦输出导弹和导弹技术,朝鲜也承认其拥有核武器。并正在开发中程弹道导弹和一种的新型的固体推进剂的短程弹道导弹,”该报告说。

以下是讨论部分:

译者:ngageboy
译文来源:http://bbs.santaihu.com/thread-6899-1-1.html

safriz(巴基斯坦,楼主)
07-13-2013, 09:02 PM
Does india have radars powerful enough to detect ballistic missile launch from china or Pakistan.?

印度有能侦测出从中国或巴基斯坦发射过来的弹道导弹的强大雷达吗?

Omya(印度)回复safriz
07-13-2013, 09:40 PM
pakistan doesnt have to feel proud abt it just saying
pakistani missiles dont work…. china wont launch it

看你这话说的,巴基斯坦其实没什么好自豪的
巴基斯坦的导弹不能用……中国不会(向印度)发射导弹

safriz(巴基斯坦,楼主)
07-13-2013, 09:50 PM
Pakistani missiles DO work…

巴基斯坦导弹能用。。。

Jungibaaz(巴基斯坦)
07-13-2013, 11:05 PM
Oh yeah?
well, prove it to me buddy. I disagree.

真的?
好吧,证明给我看,哥们,我不同意

Jungibaaz(巴基斯坦)回复safriz
07-13-2013, 11:08 PM
From Pakistan? definitely.
SWORDFISH radar will do the job, last I heard it was to be upgraded.
It’s a very similar system to the Israeli EL/M-2080 upgraded.
But as for China, it wont be able to cover most of mainland China.

从巴基斯坦(发射的)吗?肯定(能侦测到)
剑鱼雷达能完成这个任务,最近我听说要升级了。
它是一个类似升级版的以色列EL/M-2080系统。
但对于中国来说,它不能够覆盖中国大陆大部分地区。

Kaku(苏联)
07-13-2013, 11:12 PM
The swordfish radar is going under upgrade and for Phase-2 it will be ready with the range of 1500-2000 KM.
And BTW, Phase-1 is only for Pak not for China, the Phase 2 is for China.

剑鱼雷达正在进行升级,相控阵-2将能有效应付1500-2000KM范围

顺便说一句,相控阵-1仅用于对付巴基斯坦,相控阵-2是用于对付中国的。

Abhyuday Pratap Singh(印度)
07-13-2013, 10:52 PM
India has a whole range of radars for the same purpose

Naval
Super Vision-2000 3D airborne naval surveillance radar.
Revathi 3D Naval Medium range radar derived from the 3D CAR

Land-based and airborne
Swordfish Long Range Tracking Radar
INDRA series of 2D radars, low level radar to search and track low flying cruise missiles, helicopters and aircraft for the Indian Army This is a phased array radar with swift multiple beam tracking of targets and the Indian Air Force.
BFSR-SR 2D short range battlefield surveillance radar for the Indian Army.
Rajendra Radar 3D medium range fire control radar for Akash SAM.
Central Acquisition Radar (3D-CAR) planar array tracking radar for all branches of the Indian armed forces. Air force version known as the Rohini. Naval version known as Revathi.
3D AESA Long Range Tracking Radar tracking high speed ballistic missile targets.
Low Level Lightweight Radar(LLLR) 2D low level aircraft tracking radar.

Under development
Weapon Locating Radar 3D passive electronically scanned array to detect multiple targets for fire correction and weapon location developed from Rajendra.
HAL Multi-mode radar 3D advanced, lightweight multimode fire control radar for LCA Tejas.
Airborne Warning and Control 3D Active Electronically Scanned Array to be fitted on Embraer platform
Short Range Radar 3D tracking small fighter sized targets.
BFSR-MR 2D medium range battlefield surveillance for the army. Probably has been replaced by long range battlefield surveillance radar.
MFCR 3D active phased array radar, complements the Long Range Tracking Radar, for intercepting Ballistic Missiles.
MEDIUM POWER RADAR 3D ACTIVE PHASED ARRAY RADAR, being developed for the Indian Air Force for ranges exceeding 300 km.
List of radars – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
BTW That was a stupid question to ask, a country with ICBM technology will definitely have a an elaborate radar system to counter ballistic missiles and other air borne threats…

印度有一系列服务于此用途的雷达:

海军
有超视距-2000 3D机载海军监视雷达。
有3D中央搜索雷达的REVATHI 3D海军中程雷达

地面或空中

剑鱼长程跟踪雷达
INDRA系列2坐标雷达,被印度陆军当做低级别的雷达搜索、跟踪低空飞行的巡航导弹、直升机和飞机。对于印度空军来说,这是一个快速的多束目标跟踪和相控阵雷达。
印度陆军的BFSR-SR 二坐标短程战场监视雷达。
阿卡什萨姆(Akash SAM)的拉金德拉三坐标中程火控雷达。
印度陆海空三军的所有分支机构的三坐标中央搜索雷达(3D-CAR)平面阵跟踪雷达。空军版本称为“罗希尼”(Rohini)。海军版被称为“瑞瓦斯”(REVATHI)。
三坐标 AESA长程跟踪雷达,跟踪高速弹道导弹目标。
低级别轻型雷达(LLLR)二坐标低级别的飞机跟踪雷达。

发展中

拉金德拉(Rajendra)正在开发武器定位雷达 三坐标被动式电子扫描阵列可以检测多个目标进行火力校正和武器定位。
先进的HAL多模式三坐标雷达,LCA “光辉”战机的轻量级多模式火控雷达。
空中预警和控制三坐标主动式电子扫描阵列,可安装在安博威(巴西航空工业公司)的平台上
短程三坐标雷达跟踪小型战斗机大小的目标。
陆军的BFSR-MR2D中程战场监视雷达。也许已被远程战场监视雷达取代。
MFCR3D主动式相控阵雷达,是长程跟踪雷达的补充,用于拦截弹道导弹。
中等功率三坐标有源相控阵雷达,印度空军正在开发范围超过300公里的。
来自雷达列表 – 维基百科,自由的百科全书。
顺便说一句,你问了一个愚蠢的问题,有洲际弹道导弹技术的国家肯定还会精心设计一个雷达系统,用来对付弹道导弹和其他空中的威胁……

Gessler(印度)
07-13-2013, 11:49 PM
I believe the intent of India’s forces is to have radar coverage & tracking for every missile
from anywhere in Pakistan, while having enough radar coverage & tracking systems to monitor Chinese missile launches from sites in TAR & neighboring areas.
This is because any possible war between India & China is very likely to be a high-intensity war
lasting barely a few hours to a few days, and the sorts of missiles to be used in such a war
will be the short-to-medium range types supposed to target Indian military bases etc.
As the possibility of India & China exchanging IRBM-type missiles (equipped with conventional or
nuke warheads) on each other’s population centers is about nil given present situation.
But eventually, as our BMD system develops, radars like Pave PAWS will be procured to monitor
and track any missile that launches towards India from mainland China or South/East China Seas or Malacca
Strait/IOR area (SLBM launches).

我相信印军意图是使雷达能对来自巴基斯坦任何地方的导弹进行全方位覆盖和跟踪,同时具备足够的雷达全方位覆盖和跟踪系统监控发射来自xz及周边地区的中国导弹。

这是因为,印度和中国之间的任何可能发生的战争很可能是一个高强度的战争,持续时间只有几个小时到几天,在这样的战争中使用的各种导弹将涵盖短程导弹到中程导弹,用来瞄准印度军事基地等。

对于印度和中国使用中程弹道导弹导弹(配备传统或核弹弹头)互射对方的人口中心的可能性,鉴于目前的情况是零。

我们的导弹防御系统的发展,像铺路爪雷达将使我们可以监控和跟踪任何从中国大陆或南/东中国海或马六甲海峡/ 印度洋地区(潜射弹道导弹)对印度发射的导弹。

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