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印度防卫网:DRDO开发陆军下一代坦克

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印度防卫网:DRDO开发陆军下一代坦克。大多数装甲不适应夜间作战,这个项目至关重要。2010年3月,在拉贾斯坦邦沙漠,“国防研究与发展组织”(DRDO,以下简称)的阿琼坦克在试验中得出优于俄罗斯T-90的结论,成为军队的样板。再此成功试验的鼓舞下,军队随后订购了124辆阿琼坦克,DRDO现在准备开发印度下一代坦克,目前被称为未来主战坦克。

译者:ngageboy
译文来源:http://bbs.santaihu.com
外文地址:http://www.indiandefence.com/forums/indian-army/1285-future-main-battle-tank-drdo-news-discussions.html

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DRDO to develop army’s next-generation tank

印度DRDO开发陆军下一代坦克(和下一代步兵战车)

With most of our armour unfit to fight at night, the project is crucial.
In March this year, during trials in the Rajasthan desert, the Defence R&D Organisation’s Arjun tank conclusively outperformed the Russian T-90, the army’s showpiece. Buoyed by that success and by the army’s consequent order for 124 additional Arjuns, the DRDO is now readying to develop India’s next-generation tank, currently termed the Future Main Battle Tank (FMBT).

大多数装甲不适应夜间作战,这个项目至关重要。

2010年3月,在拉贾斯坦邦沙漠,“国防研究与发展组织”(DRDO,以下简称)的阿琼坦克在试验中得出优于俄罗斯T-90的结论,成为军队的样板。再此成功试验的鼓舞下,军队随后订购了124辆阿琼坦克,DRDO现在准备开发印度下一代坦克,目前被称为未来主战坦克(FMBT,以下简称)。

While costs are still being evaluated, the projections are mind-boggling. The development cost alone could be Rs 5,000 crore. Then, the replacement cost of the Indian Army’s 4,000 tanks — at a conservative Rs 25 crore per FMBT — adds to Rs 1,00,000 crore. The bulk of this would flow, over years of production, to Tier-I and Tier-II suppliers from small and medium industries.

虽然成本仍在估算,预计将会是个天文数字。单独的开发成本可能是500亿卢比。那么,印度陆军的4000辆坦克的替换成本 ——每辆FMBT按保守估计达25亿卢比——总额将升至1万亿卢比。持续多年的生产,大部分将流向第一层和第二层的中小型工业供应商。

For the first time, the DRDO has outlined the FMBT project’s contours. Talking exclusively to Business Standard, DRDO chief and Scientific Advisor to the Defence Minister, V K Saraswat, revealed, “While the Future Infantry Combat Vehicle (FICV) has been handed over to private industry, the DRDO will develop the FMBT. We need about seven-eight years from the time the project is formally sanctioned. The army and the DRDO have already identified the major features of the FMBT, which are quite different from the Arjun. While the Arjun is a 60-tonne tank, the FMBT will be lighter… about 50 tonnes. It will be a highly mobile tank.”

这是DRDO第一次概述了FMBT项目的轮廓。在接受《商业标准》报的专访中,DRDO首席科学顾问国防部长VK萨拉斯瓦特 透露说,“虽然未来步兵战车(FICV,以下简称)已移交给私人公司,但FMBT将由DRDO来开发。我们需要大约7?8年时间来正式认可该项目。军队和DRDO已经确定FMBT的主要特点,将与阿琼有很大的不同。阿琼是一款拥有60吨重的坦克,而FMBT将变得更轻…约50吨。这将是一款高机动性的坦克“。

Vital project

核心工程

The FMBT project, says the military, is crucial for India’s future battle readiness. As army chief, General Deepak Kapoor pronounced 80 per cent of India’s tank fleet unfit to fight at night, which is when most tank battles take place. The bulk of our fleet, some 2,400 obsolescent Russian T-72s, are being shoddily patched up (see Business Standard, Feb 3, ‘Army to spend billions on outdated T-72 tanks’). More modern T-90 tanks were procured from Russia in 2001, shorn of crucial systems to reduce prices, after parliamentary dissent threatened to derail the contract (Business Standard, Feb 4, ‘Piercing the army’s armour of deception’). Only now, after nine years of stonewalling, has Russia transferred the technology needed to build the T-90 in India.

军方表示面对未来战争的挑战FMBT项目至关重要。作为陆军参谋长的迪帕克·卡普尔将军声称80%的印度坦克部队不适应夜间作战,而(夜间)又是很多坦克对战发生的时候。我们坦克部队的大部分,约2,400辆是过时的俄罗斯T-72S,正处糟糕的修修补补中(见商务标准报,2月3日“陆军在过时的T-72坦克上花费数十亿’)。 2001年从俄罗斯采购了更现代化的T-90坦克,在阉割了关键系统来降低价格后,议会持不同政见者扬言要破坏该合同(企业标准报,2月4日,“刺入陆军装甲的欺骗’)。经过9年的和稀泥,到现在(2010年)俄罗斯才转让相关技术,允许在印度本土制造T-90。

FMBT. These have been formalised in a document called the Preliminary Specifications Qualitative Requirement (PSQR). The detailed specifications of the FMBT, once finalised, will be listed in General Staff Qualitative Requirements (GSQR).

FMBT已经在一份被称为“初步规格质量要求” (PSQR)的文件中被证实。 FMBT的详细规格一旦敲定,将在被列入“总参谋部质量要求”(GSQR)。

Amongst the capabilities being finalised for the GSQR are: active armour, which will shoot down enemy anti-tank projectiles before they strike the FMBT; extreme mobility, which makes the FMBT much harder to hit; the capability to operate in a nuclear-contaminated battlefield without exposing the crew to radiation; and the networked flow of information to the FMBT, providing full situational awareness to the crew, even when “buttoned down” inside the tank.

被确定为GSQR当中的能力有:主动装甲,用来摧毁攻击FMBT的敌方反坦克炮弹;极其优异的机动性,这使FMBT更难被击中,操控能力,让在核污染的战场上乘员不暴露在辐射中,网络信息力,向乘员提供战场全面的态势感知能力,甚至可以“一键下载”即时安装进坦克。

Also being finalised is the FMBT armament, a key attribute that determines a tank’s battlefield influence. The Arjun already has a heavy 120mm ‘main gun’, and two small-calibre machine guns; the recently ordered batch of 124 Arjuns will also fire anti-tank missiles through their main gun. The army wants all of those for the FMBT, with ranges enhanced through technological improvements.

当然最后确定的是FMBT武器,这个关键属性直接决定了坦克在战场上的表现。阿琼已装备一款重型120毫米’主炮,两挺小口径机枪,最近订购的一批124阿琼通过主炮也可以发射反坦克导弹。陆军希望FMBT具备以上这些能力,并通过技术改进提高射程。

However, the DRDO chief ruled out an electromagnetic gun, the next generation in high-velocity guns towards which armament technology aspires. “The Future MBT is not so far in the future,” Saraswat quipped

当然,朝着下一代高初速火炮装备技术的方向发展,DRDO首席顾问表示不排除装备电磁炮。 “未来的FMBT也并不是那么遥远,”萨拉斯瓦特打趣说。

FICV, too

未来步兵战车

With the FMBT project squarely on its agenda, the DRDO also envisages a major role in developing the FICV. Says the DRDO chief, “The FICV is not just a conventional armoured vehicle for transporting soldiers. It involves advanced technologies and multidisciplinary integration, which private industry has never done. Only the DRDO and the Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) have that experience. DRDO teams are already thinking about the technologies that should go into the FICV. But this is only to support private industry in making the FICV project a success.”

While private industry weighs its options about where to manufacture the FICV, the DRDO has already chosen the Heavy Vehicle Factory (HVF) in Avadi —- the OFB facility that builds the Arjun —- as the FMBT production line.

“It will definitely be produced in HVF. I see no way that we can go away from HVF,” says Saraswat. “The HVF will work with us from the preliminary design of the FMBT, so that we can go from prototype to mass production without any hiccups.”

FMBT正按项目议程推进,因此,DRDO的概念发展对FICV起到了重要作用。DRDO首席顾问声称,“FICV并不只是一个传统的装甲运兵车。它涉及先进技术和多学科集成,私营公司从未参与过。此前只有DRDO和军工委员会(OFB)有这方面的经验。已经,DRDO的团队正在考虑相关技术如何应用到FICV项目里。但这仅仅是为了支持那些私有公司,使FICV项目最终成功。“

虽然私营公司是FICV项目的重要组成部分,但DRDO已经选择在阿瓦迪的重型车辆厂生产(HVF),即军工委员会生产阿琼坦克的工厂,也是FMBT的生产线。

“这里将肯定会在这里投产。萨拉斯瓦特说,“我认为没有办法抛开重型车辆厂。 “工厂将与我们携手合作FMBT的初步设计,所以我们可以从原型车到大规模生产型都不会有任何的问题。”

以下为网民评论:

译者:ngageboy
译文来源:http://bbs.santaihu.com/thread-7141-1-1.html

True_Indian(印度) What about stealth ?

隐形性能如何?

RoYaN(印度)回复True_Indian(印度)
Oh God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Its a tank and not the T-50 for their to be stealth.

What about the Armour and most importantly ENGINE

上帝呀!
这是坦克不像T-50(第五代战机)一样需要隐形
应该讨论装甲如何,发动机才是最重要的

JAISWAL(印度)
They must work to provide gas turbine engine 4 good power and agility. and we know a engine which might fit in

他们必须努力提供燃气涡轮发动机使坦克拥有良好的动力性和灵活性。我们知道有款发动机可能适合

True_Indian(印度)
ardon my ignorance..
wont stealth come handy against awac and other radars ?

请原谅我的无知。。
不能隐形如何去对抗空中预警和其他雷达呢?

Flanker143(印度)
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The Arjun-Mk II tank will have a number of upgrades compared with Arjun-Mk I. Missiles can be fired from the former to destroy long-range targets and bring down attack helicopters. The tank’s commander will have a panoramic sight with night vision.
“With this upgrade, the commander can carry out his hunting job at night with his thermal sight and engage targets more effectively,” Mr. Sundaresh explained.

阿琼MK II型坦克是有多项升级的阿琼MK改进型,可以发射导弹摧毁远距离目标,还可以击落武装直升机。该坦克车长拥有周视夜视仪。

“通过这次升级,车长可以通过夜视仪和热成像搜索目标,可更有效地打击目标,Sundaresh先生的解释。”

flanker143(印度)
so the turret problem will persist in mk2 version…..thats not good….

so arjun cannot fire on fast moves but can the t 90 ??

那么炮塔的问题依然存在于MK2…..那可不好….

阿琼不能在快速移动中开火,但T 90可以?

Jagjitnatt(印度)回复flanker143(印度)

Its true that our T90s aren’t the best T90s out there. But T90s in general are pretty good. They are better than what Pakistan or China field. Arjun Mk II would be better than Mk I but still nowhere near the T90 overall.

So its T90S > Arjun Mk II> Arjun Mk I > T72

I expect some 200-300 Mk II Arjuns.

这是真的,我们的T90s不是该型号坦克中最好的。但T90s总的来说还不错。他们比什么巴基斯坦或中国方面的更好。阿琼MK II型将比MK I型更好,但整体上仍远不及T90。

因此,它T90S>阿琼MK II型>阿琼Mk I型> T72

我期待能装备200-300辆阿琼MK II。

The _Magnificent(印度)
Yeah i also read this article of ajay shukla. felt bad how indian army purchased downgraded version of T90.

Do arjun have any self defence system ? or will it have in mark II version. if it have how efficient it is .

是啊,我也看过这篇文章。感觉很糟糕,印度陆军干嘛买阉割版的T90呀。

阿琼有任何自我防御系统吗?或将来的MARK II呢。如果有那它的效果怎么样?

Naren1987(印度)
What will the power to weight ratio for a tank powered by this engine?

这款坦克搭载的发动机的功率推重比怎么样?

The _Magnificent(印度)回复Naren1987(印度)

Easy to calculate bro. All info is already given.

weight = 50 Tonne

Power = 1500 BHp

Calculation

power = 1500 horsepower
weight = 50 ton metric

power to weight ratio = power / weight = 1500 / 50 = 30

So power to weight ratio will be 30 hp/tonne Arjun’s p to w ratio is 23.9 hp/tonne

伙计,很简单的。已经给出所有信息了

重量= 50吨

功率=1500马力

功率重量比=功率/重量=1500/50 =30

因此,功率推重比达到30马力/吨,阿琼的功率推重比为23.9马力/吨

flanker143(印度)
sir i request u to put some gud informative articles about Indian t 90s……since there is alot of negativity regarding them.

先生,我希望你能提供一些有关T90S的详实文章,因为有很多关于它们的负面消息

i have a question that why army has been interested in lighter mbt ~~50tns ….always reluctant to induct the much heavier arjun……
even now they want the fmbt to weigh 50tns…..what is the reason behind this that army is so concerned about the weight of their mbts….

plzz rep…thanks in advance…

我有一个问题,为什么军队一直对轻量化的主战坦克有兴趣??比如50吨….总是不愿意接纳重得多的阿琼……
即使是现在他们要的FMBT也限制在50吨….. 军队关注他们的主战坦克的重量这背后的原因是什么……

在此先谢了…

Dliemma(加拿大)
Weight was not the only issue (even though it did play a small role) as to why the army was reluctant to induct the Arjun in large numbers. The Arjun had problems with its engine and the FCS. But they all have now seem to be fixed.

At first, because of its weight and dimensions, the army had to setup a brand new logistics base just for the Arjun. Add to that, the army has been very used to using lighter soviet tanks and the T-90 fit in as it was almost the same weight and it had a lot of commonalities with the T-72.

As for as the reason why they are concerned about weight is afaik mostly based on a logistical point of view. As it is you, you cannot even take the lighter tanks to mountainous areas so I don’t know how much of a difference it can make.

重量不仅仅是一个简单问题(尽管它只是一个小方面),为什么军队不愿意接纳大量的阿琼。是因为阿琼和未来战斗系统(FCS,美国主导的下一代装甲车辆标准)都一样在发动机上存在问题。但现在似乎已经完善起来了。

起初,由于其重量和尺寸,军队为了阿琼不得不设置一个全新的物流基地。与此同时,陆军对操作更轻的苏联坦克显然更熟练,T-90同样适用,因为它有和T-72几乎相同的重量,还有很多共性。

为他们所关心的重量据我所知的原因,大多是基于物流的角度来看。同时,你把坦克弄得更轻一点的话就不能进入山区了,所以我不知道还有多少因为重量造成差别。

Butters(印度)
Looks like Merkava and T-90 had a baby!

The barrel is really long, could make it the tank less agile. Man, I wish they would hurry up and make it 2020 is too long to wait!

看起来像梅卡瓦和T90结合的产物
炮管很长,可能会让坦克的灵活性降低。伙计,我希望他们能快点,到2020才造出来等的时间就太长了!

Connan(美国)
hope it looks something like this

我希望看起来是这样的

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Hashu(加拿大)回复Connan(美国)
^^^^^great pics, i think that’s the T-95 tank that was canceled

好图,我想那是被取消的T-95坦克

Hashu(加拿大)回复Jagjitnatt(印度)
more than 200-300 DRDO wanted the army to buy over 500 MK1 to cover the costs for development but they only got 224 but they also got a promise that the army will buy enouph MK2 to cover the development for both MK1 and MK2…so i am guessing about 400-500…plus we need to replace our older tanks!

超过200-300辆, DRDO希望军队购买超过500辆 MK1来平摊开发费用,但他们只拿到了224辆的订单,但他们也得到了一个承诺,军队想要买足够多的MK2,来共同发展MK1和MK2…所以我猜测有400-500辆……再加上我们需要替换老坦克!

Ved Mishra(印度)
I believe the army’s focus is on helicopter gunships at the moment. They are going for gradual value additions in the Arjun.
Seems logical too.

我相信目前陆军的焦点放在武装直升机上。他们将在阿琼项目上逐步升级改进。
看起来也合乎逻辑。

simplystupid(印度)
Is there a guarantee this will not happen again ? Point that is being made.. focus should acquisition of technology rather than acquisition of platforms or delegating design work Russian and Israelis. There is no evidence in efforts putting there getting there……… no evidence in improving manufacturing capabilities. At least for me situation far from satisfactory and unsustainable… Current situation is conducive build capabilities to produce better platforms and even export them. till no evidence comes forward.. i will be critical about the Defense establish management. If folks managing cannot innovate atleast they copy what China is doing…

是否有保证这不会再发生?应该集中收购平台或委托设计工作作为重点,比如俄罗斯和以色列的技术,而不是收购。目前还没有什么迹象表明往那个方向在努力——提高制造能力。至少对于我来说,情况远不能令人满意,目前的情况是不可持续的,(制造)有利于建立能力,产生更好的平台,甚至出口。直到没有证据显示出来..这将成为国防树立管理的关键。如果人们不能创新管理至少做到复制,中国就正这么干呢…

Smestarz(印度)
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And I abosolutely agree that we need to devise strategies and doctrines based on our global position (peninsula with Pakistan next to us and we having to secure the Arabian sea and Indian ocean to protect our OWN trade routes even against Somali Pirates.
China is copying American and Russian doctrine but then it is also modifying some to suit its position.
China having Aircraft carrier is primarily to protect its Extended claimed maritime course which leaves other countries with nothing. Maybe shall try to put a map or link
So positioning aircraft carrier against Malaysia, philippines does benefit china with its force projection theory, but at the same time it has to go with Carrier group (to protect its carrier)
BBC News – China accuses Vietnam in South China Sea row

而且我也绝对同意在我们全球地位的基础上需要制订战略和学说(巴基斯坦半岛就我们旁边,我们要确保阿拉伯海和印度洋贸易航线来保护我们自己,同时打击索马里海盗,。
中国正在复制美国和俄罗斯的学说,但它肯定会进行一些修改,以适应其自己的定位。
中国航母主是为了保护其海上扩展,当然也声称这不会对其他国家造成什么影响。也许只是尽量纳入地图或相连而已
所以中国航母定位是为了对抗马来西亚和菲律宾,国家利益会影响其兵力投射理论,同时也需要建立一个航母战斗群(以保护航母)
BBC新闻 – 中国指责越南在中国南海的行为

Jason _sid(加拿大)
I don’t believe it would be very practical. Even a low end RPG could quite potentially spell disaster for the machine.

(这是回答前面有网友提议将坦克与气垫船相结合的想法)
我不认为这将很实用。即使是低端RPG对该机器也能带来相当灾难破坏。

Smestarz(印度)回复Jason _sid(加拿大)
Well your logic,,, is incorrect, for simple thought that RPG has to be aimed and if the target is stable then RPG is effective, but if the Target is in motion, the shooter of the RPG has to predict where exactly to aim the weapon to hit the target, He has to mentally aim at a point C where the Hovercraft has to arrive exactly at the time when the RPG arrives,
RPG is not exactly supersonic you know.
So. RPG is not what I worry abt.
Also if RPG hits the Tracks most tanks will be mobile except their guns

嗯,你的逻辑不对,很简单当RPG瞄准相对固定的目标是,那么RPG是有效的,但如果目标是运动的,RPG的射手需要准确预测瞄准武器才能击中目标,他需要预想瞄准C点发射,当气垫船到达那里时,发射的RPG才会正好到达,
RPG是不是超音速你应该知道。
所以RPG并不值得担忧。
当然,如果RPG要用轨迹打击很多移动中的坦克,就只有用火炮了。

Indian spetsnaz(印度)
why we dont install black eagle like turret on Arjun and make it FMBT

为什么在阿琼坦克上不安装类似黑鹰一样的炮塔,把他变成FMBT

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    • 太可恨了。新德里应该好好规范一下媒体了,各种别有用心的外国观点像海啸一样冲击着印度人的大脑,以至于DRDO居然做出这么愚蠢的决定。——他们居然要开发50吨的坦克?只有像中国那样到处是山地的国家才需要降低重量保持机动力,只有像英国那样的中等欧猪国家才需要减少重量节约成本。印度是个大国,到处都是坦荡的大平原,而且印度的经济形势和经济前景都远远超过自吹自擂的中国(更不要提那些衰落的西方国家了),DRDO应该开发85-90吨左右的超级坦克。国防部从俄国人那里采购的T-90作为辅助机动力量已经足够了。而且虽然重量更大,但比起哈立德坦克,阿琼的马力更加强大,阿琼的机动力甚至更优秀。

      应该把那些容易受到外国人影响的傻瓜从DRDO中赶出去。印度需要一直前进在自己的道路上,就像尼赫鲁总理所做的那样

      • 你太小看大印度帝国的战略指挥部了,伟大的阿琼坦克是为了守卫国土,因为大印度帝国都是平原,但我们大印度帝国有更加崇高的理想,“前进,前进,前方北京”,攻击中国这个贫瘠山地国家显然威武的阿琼坦克派不上用场,这就需要机动性更好的轻型坦克。中国的各种技术都是山寨的,火炮根本打不响,坦克炮几发就会炸膛,即使打到印度坦克上,也会因为质量差无法造成伤害,所以完全没有必要使用60吨的坦克,何况中国的桥梁都是豆腐渣工程,一车花炮都能炸毁一座桥,真担心我们大印度帝国的轻型坦克都过不去,无论如何,为了中国的劳苦大众不再吃草,为了中国劳苦大众拥有民主,再苦再累我大印度帝国也愿意。

        在此衷心请求,请大印度帝国轻虐中国。

          • 印度为什么要生产坦克?难道要放弃古老的和平策略?身为最为古老的大印度帝国,在几千年的漫长历史中,印度人民都是始终爱好和平,维护和平,积极投身于和平的伟大事业中,从不主动侵略他国,同时还维护周边国家的安全,对整个世界的和平与安定产生不可估量的作用。
            我们中国老百姓知道印度军队是一支和平之师,威武之师,雄壮之师,一直都遵循着以最少的军队维护最大的和平,以最大的精神力量战胜最强大的敌人,守卫着和平。我们老百姓也深深知道,印度为了维护和平,从来不主动研发高科技武器、大规模杀伤性武器以及重型武器等,这都体现出了印度人民爱好和平的精神,主动放弃有利条件,不跟风、不盲目,不攀比,不竞赛,保持最低限度的武器装备,同时努力研究人的精神力量,发掘出最大的潜能,使印度人民生活在幸福的海洋中,我们中国老百姓对你们取得的举世瞩目的成就羡慕不已。
            你们最低限度的武器装备哪里来的呢?那都是其他国家看到印度人民爱好和平的本质,纷纷送上门的,同时大开方便之门,你们想购得什么,就能得到什么,即使航母潜艇什么的,同样也有送上来的,而我们中国,在封锁中苟延残喘,一架架飞机甚至都是缴获日本的,军队士兵还在使用三八大盖,凄惨极了。
            印度人民应该向中国转让坦克技术,因为印度周边的国家都是爱好和平的,印度生产坦克是没有作用的,难道印度生产更多的坦克是为了侵略?在和平的印度有这种思想是不可思议的,是可耻的。在和平的大环境里,生产再多的坦克也是一堆废铜烂铁,得不到用处的;而中国不同,给中国能得到大用!中国的武器装备太低下废铁了,中国的敌人又那么多,我们中国老百姓饭吃不饱,衣穿不暖,在战战栗栗、充满恐惧的生活中求得一丝安宁,还不能开口说话,不然会打得半死,您们也是了解的。
            伟大的印度人民,把最强大的坦克技术转让给中国吧!我们希望与印度一道,肩负起维护世界和平的使命,哪里有战争,哪里就有印度大兵维护和平的身影,我们向你们致敬!!!

      • 好科幻。。。我说应为伟大印度的存在外星人才不敢进攻地球。。。我没说谎吧。。。大家都要感谢伟大印度人民。。。你们才能过活。。。不是吗。。。 :mrgreen:

        • 尤其你们这票天天上三泰虎的家伙。。。难道不应该更感谢伟大的印度网民吗。。。。。。。。。 :mrgreen:

      • 沙你在侮辱印度的军工,伟大的印度航母都国产化了。坦克80吨好意思参加阅兵吗。。。500吨。。。让鼠式尿裤子吧,让59抽筋吧。。。我们印度要做就做超级大国。。。别人玩剩下的我们才懒得干呢。。。我们就是要争做世界第一。。。500吨。。。一米的复合装甲让那些120口径的都玩去吧我们有最强的装甲!最强的机动,其他国家航母,潜艇都核动力了。我们玩核动力坦克。最强的火力,我们印度用360口径滑膛炮,而且是双管的。一发半吨重,一个齐射干掉敌人一个坦克连。。。印度要做就做最霸气的。。。想想这东西要开上前线,逃跑吧中国人。。。 :mrgreen:

    • 自从订购了C-17环球霸王后。
      三哥的坦克制造商:有了C-17,妈妈再也不用担心我的重量啦!
      注:阿琼坦克被指严重超重,印度的大部分桥梁都不能承受。 :mrgreen:

  1. 保守估计没个十年八年研制不出来.没个十几二十年形成不了规模.再加上可怜的等同于0的军工基础设备 ❗ 三锅的军迷们还有的等 :mrgreen:

  2. 三锅就是一个可笑民族,想象一下三锅用刚擦完大便的手操作飞机,潜艇,就觉得很可笑。怪不得飞机老撞大地,潜艇自爆。当然最好不要去想三锅吃手扒鸡。

  3. 阿琼坦克还没有达到服役水平,怎么阿三就已经提出下一代坦克的研制计划?怕就是计划永远赶不上变化

  4. 三锅就是一个可笑民族,想象一下三锅用刚擦完大便的手操作飞机,潜艇,就觉得很可笑。怪不得飞机老撞大地,潜艇自爆。当然最好不要去想三锅吃手扒鸡。