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中国于三中全会着眼经济改革

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中国gcd将于本周六举行高层首脑会议以推进新一轮改革,据称这是自毛泽东文革时代进入市场经济30年来最大的一轮改革。18届3中全会与会代表包括中共最高权利机构-中央政治局的376名成员,在为期4天的议程中将就深化改革和遏制经济减速进行磋商, 中国的经济增长从2位数下降至近2年来的7%左右。官方媒体就即将到来的改革进行了连篇累牍的报道,专家称全体会议在过去数次扮演了重大改革的启动器。

译者:whiteeagle
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外文:http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/china/China-eyes-economic-reforms-at-party-meet/articleshow/25472967.cms

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BEIJING: China’s ruling Communist Party will hold its key leadership meeting here on Saturday to unleash a new “wave of reforms”, stated to be the biggest in over three decades after the country moved away from Mao Zedong’s “chaotic class struggle” to market-oriented policies.

The 18th plenum of the Party comprising 376-member Central Committee, one of its highest policy bodies, would hold its four-day meeting under the leadership of President Xi Jinping to deepen economic reforms and to halt the slide of the world’s second largest economy which fell from double digit growth rates to around 7% in the last two years.

While official media was abuzz with impending wave of reforms, experts say plenums in the past acted as launch-pads for many of China’s major reforms.

The leadership headed by Xi is working on a ‘master plan’ to unveil at the plenum, which will be largely devoted to provide ideological direction to economic reforms for the next five years.

北京:中国当权的gcd将于本周六举行高层首脑会议以推进新一轮改革,据称这是自毛泽东文革时代进入市场经济30年来最大的一轮改革。

18界3中全会与会代表包括中共最高权利机构-中央政治局的376名成员,在为期4天的议程中将就深化改革和遏制经济减速进行磋商, 中国的经济增长从2位数下降至近2年来的7%左右。

官方媒体就即将到来的改革进行了连篇累牍的报道,专家称全体会议在过去数次扮演了重大改革的启动器。

xi的执政理念将在全会中阐述,这将给中国未来5年的经济改革指明方向。

This year’s plenum is being billed just as significant as the one in December 1978 that marked the start of market-oriented reforms in China over three decades ago under Deng Xiaoping, who succeeded Mao and reversed the ideological course of China. Not much resistance was expected for reforms unlike in Deng-era as he had to contend to remove resistance from hardliners headed by Mao’s widow Jiang Qing who was ousted.

On the contrary, Xi who emerged as the strongest leader in recent decades is expected to have smooth sailing as any left-wing resistance to reforms was ironed out with the ouster of disgraced party leader Bo Xilai who was sentenced to life recently for corruption and misuse of power.

Since taking over this year, Xi is pushing for more reforms as China’s economy struggled to meet the 7.5% official GDP target this year. New leadership asserts that reforms are necessary to avert a Sovietstyle collapse of the Communist system in China.

今年的全会被认为与开启了中国30年 改革浪潮的1978年3中全会相媲美,当时 在邓小平领导下中国转变了发展道路。这届政府的改革阻力要比78年小得多,当时邓小平需要消除江青为首的党内强硬路线者的影响。

与78年情况相反,xi被认为是近年来最强有力的领导人,预期他可以平稳的实行改革,因为来自左翼的改革阻力已经随着薄熙来因贪污和滥用职权的终生监禁烟消云散了。

执政一年来,xi推进了多项改革,而中国正在努力实现今年7.5%的GDP增长目标。新领导集体表示改革是避免中国出现苏联式崩溃的唯一出路。

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True Indian (blore)

Do we have thoghts for economic reforms..??

我们想过经济改革吗?

vcbhutani (Delhi, India)

This calls for comment at various levels. The system over which Mao presided was dyed deep blue in the colours of the class struggle which communists derived from the so called Marxist concept of class struggle. That concept was much written about by Marx but nowhere in his copious writing did he grapple with the idea what constituted a class. There is no definition of class in his writing. Therefore, his basic and central idea of the class struggle suffered from the disability of unclarity and incompleteness. But his followers worldwide have continued to sing paeans of praise for Marx’s idea of class struggle and have gone on to apply it various societies around the world – with singular unsuccess throughout. Nowhere, not even in the Former Soviet Union, was Marx’s idea of the class struggle applied seriously or with visible results. For something like 75 years the so called Marxist experiment was carried on the FSU but it failed to provide for the minimum needs of all citizens. It was this failure to attend to economic development of the poorest of the society that was at the bottom of the Soviet collapse. Mao’s successors seem to have learnt from the Soviet example and decided to attend to the economic aspect before caring over much or at all for political change. Under the leadership of Deng and his later successors there has been a story of close attention to economic development, which was wholly in order and to the point. As a result we do not hear of much movement for change in the political system, Tiananmen 1989 notwithstanding. We shall wait to see how the forthcoming plenum deals with questions of political change, which do not seem to be central to the situation in China. China’s economy – especially the renminbi – was kept artificially isolated from world economy. As a result Chinese economy continued to grow, even if slightly slower than before. But artificiality cannot be carried too far or too long. Chinese economy cannot go on prospering if the economies of the rest of the world continue to suffer and weaken. This is where the plenum has to do some fresh thinking and go along with a sense of being part of the world economy and not independent of it. If even great Western economies have begun to shrink, surely Chinese economy cannot remain immune to influences all round. V. C. Bhutani, Delhi, 9 Nov 2013, 1037 IST

这需要多方面的评论。 毛泽东时期有浓厚的意识形态色彩,是以马克思理论为基础的阶级斗争。理论出自马克思,但马克思从未指明阶级如何构成。故作为其核心思想的阶级论存在缺陷。(后面都是这哥们理论分析,大家自己看吧,真觉得这哥们是印共)

毛的继任者从苏联解体中吸取教训,进行了不太触碰政治体制的经济改革,在邓小平和其继任者的领导下,经济改革井然有序并切中要害。同时尽管有89學潮,政治改革动作很小。中国此次的政改我们拭目以待。中国经济,尤其是人民币,被人为的孤立在世界经济之外。所以中国经济虽小有回落但依然增长迅速。但人为干预无法持久。如果世界经济低迷,中国也无法独善其身,故此次会议中国需有新的思路-要加入世界经济而非孤立。西方经济衰退,中国经济也会被波及。(最讨厌这种长篇大论的)

KK Singh (Delhi)

“wave of reforms”, stated to be the biggest in over three decades after the country moved away from Mao Zedong’s “chaotic class struggle” But why portray Mao as your leader? Its like our political leaders without agenda fighting to usurp heritage of our late leaders!

那为什么还描绘毛是你们的领袖?就好像印度的现任领导不设法夺取其前任的政治遗产一样。(没理解,实在跟不上他们进水的思路)

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