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印度防卫网:中国正在开发世界上第一种18万吨级双船体航母

印度防卫网:中国正在开发世界上第一种18万吨级双船体航母。前瞻网昨天在报告中说:中国终结了过去一直跟着其他国家脚步的做法。消息说,通过细致的工程和机械分析,中国正在研究和发展世界第一种18万吨级的双船体航母。如果成功,这将是一块体现海上霸权的移动中国领土。该航母拥有巨大的容量,能够搭载125 架J - 20战斗机,足以摧毁世界上任何现有的航母。有消息说,中国开展研究18万吨双船体航母是因为和单体船相比,它具有得天独厚的优势。

译者:ngageboy
来源:三泰虎论坛 http://bbs.santaihu.com
原帖地址:http://www.indiandefence.com/forums/china/34193-china-developing-worlds-first-180-000-ton-double-hull-aircraft-carrier.html


China developing worlds first 180,000-ton double-hull aircraft carrier

中国正在开发世界上第一种18万吨级双船体航母

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Qianzhan.com said in its report yesterday: China has to put an end to its old practice of following others countries’ footsteps.

Sources say that through meticulous engineering and mechanical analysis, China will conduct research and development of the first 180,000-ton double hull aircraft carrier in the world.

If successful, it will be a movable Chinese territory with maritime hegemony.
It will have a huge capacity, capable of carrying 125 J-20 fighter jets enough to destroy any existing aircraft carrier in the world.

Sources say that China conducts research into a 180,000-ton double hull aircraft carrier because compared with a monohull aircraft carrier, it has exceptional advantages.

A double hull carrier may have two identical runways for simultaneous taking off and landing.

In addition the diagonal runway on the existing Nimitz-class aircraft carrier is too short to be free of the risk of crash.

前瞻网昨天在报告中说:中国终结了过去一直跟着其他国家脚步的做法。

消息说,通过细致的工程和机械分析,中国正在研究和发展世界第一种18万吨级的双船体航母。

如果成功,这将是一块体现海上霸权的移动中国领土。

该航母拥有巨大的容量,能够搭载125 架J - 20战斗机,足以摧毁世界上任何现有的航母。

有消息说,中国开展研究18万吨双船体航母是因为和单体船相比,它具有得天独厚的优势。

双船体可以有两个相同的跑道用于同时起飞和降落。

此外,现有尼米兹级航母的斜角跑道太短,有一定坠机的风险。

以下为网友评论:


译者:ngageboy
来源:三泰虎论坛 http://bbs.santaihu.com/thread-7549-1-1.html



Tsunami(印度)
Chinese just love to waste money....

中国人就是喜欢浪费钱。。。

Smestarz(印度)
This was earlier thought of me and put in this forum itself, but then one of the issues it might have is
1. It would have tremendous weight
2. Engines will have to be very powerful and so has to to be the protective cover.

Actually if China builds it then its excellent, it might have to use its entire navy to just protect this ship wherever it goes,

I was actually in favour of the Russian designs which were heavy air defence cruisers,

They were like the Swiss army knives. They had anti shipping , anti aircraft weaponry, Surface to Surface weaponry, Anti sub weaponry and they also could carry and use about 16-18 planes and helicopters, I actually prefer this type of Russian design which actually is good and thus reduces the need to carry more companion cruisers / destroyers as the ship along with 2-3 companion vessels can be powerful itself,

这是我较早时候的看法,并发在这个论坛里了。那时说这航母可能存在的问题:

1. 它有这么巨大的重量

2. 动力将是非常强大的,因此得装个防护罩。

其实,如果中国真的造出来这么出色的家伙,它所到之处可能需要用整个海军力量来保护它。

实际上,我比较赞成的是俄罗斯设计的重型防空巡洋舰。

它们就像瑞士军刀。可以反舰、可以防空,有打击陆地的武器,还有反潜装备,也能装载16-18架飞机或直升机。其实我喜欢这种类型的俄罗斯设计,这种很好地减少了需要携带更多2-3艘伴行的巡洋舰、驱逐舰,靠它自己就够强大了。

Manmohan Yadav(印度)回复Smestarz(印度)
precisely
With this ship those chipmunks will be spending more resources protecting it than on anything else


恰恰相反,为了这艘巡洋舰将花费更多的资源去保护它,而不是去保护别人


Safriz(巴基斯坦)回复Smestarz(印度)
cargo ships of much heavier weight are currently running on diesel/HFO engines...so i don't think weight is going to be a problem,specially when they are going to use steam turbine driven by a reactor.


its the design that bothers me.


such a large water craft will have structural integrity issues with twu hulls joined together and deck will be always in immense stress...


关于更重的重量这个问题,以目前货轮上采用的柴油/重燃油动力来说,我不认为重量会是一个问题,特别是当他们要使用反应堆带动蒸汽涡轮机时。


唯一困扰我的是设计问题。


这么大一个将两个船体和甲板结合在一起的水面舰艇,其结构完整性问题将始终处于巨大压力之下。



The Drdo Guy(印度)
(对某位网友说)

Sir what's your stance on this.you have posted something like this double hull design in some of your previous posts.

先生,关于你以前的帖子里就发表过类似这样的双体船设计,这次你怎么看?

AccessDenied(印度)
I'll wait for them to first design and develop a normal aircraft-carrier before moving on to this design.

我认为(中国人)他们会先设计研发出一艘常规航母以后,再投入到这个设计中去。

Safriz(巴基斯坦)
i would call this "Dual hull"....

我喜欢称它为“双体船”

Vstol Jockey(印度)
This is too big and nearly impossible to operationalise. I had suggested a three hull design with one main hull and two supporting hulls for twin runway operations. the main hull was to have all the machinary and support hulls the accommodation. The width of my design was to be marginally more than present carriers as they will have straight runways with no angled deck.

这也太大了,可操作性上几乎是不可能的。我曾经建议的是三船体设计,是运行有双跑道的一个主体船加两个支撑船体。主体船用于战斗用途而支撑船体用于居住。我的设计中甲板宽度是要略微超过目前那种有直线跑道而没有斜角甲板的航母。

The Drdo Guy(印度)回复Vstol Jockey(印度)
How it will be easy to operate the three hull design if this two hull design is impossible to operate.You told me in that thread that you are very optimistic about the three hull design and are looking further to contact MOD in this regard.what's the progress, have you contacted them or some private shipyard.


如果双体船的设计是不可能操作的,那他们是怎么让三船体设计的操作简单化。你在那文章里告诉我你对三船体设计持非常乐观的态度,你也正在寻找联系这方面能更进一步的改进方。有什么进展,你有没有联系到它们或一些私营造船厂?


Vstol Jockey(印度)回复The Drdo Guy(印度)


I contacted a private shipyard which also makes warships for IN. The three hull design is more like what you see in normal fishing boats which have small pontoons on either side for stability. In my design also, the two side hulls are for support only. The chinese two hull design has both the hulls as equal stress bearing hulls.


我联系过一家私人造船厂,它也在为印海军造过军舰。三体船设计就像你所看到的普通渔船加上两个小浮船,可以保持任何一个方向的稳定。在我的设计里,只支持两个侧船体。而中国的设计两个船体即作为主体又作为承重支撑体。


Safriz(巴基斯坦)回复Vstol Jockey(印度)
Jockey sir..Lets not forget that such a design has far less draught than mono hull ships,as they dont need ballast or bottom heavy design and owe their stability to the width of the vessel....


But such design puts immense structural stresses on the Deck and other frames/Plates that join the two individual hulls.


This design works well got 100 feet range vessels,but an aircraft carrier of about 200 meter length? that may be beyond present day material strength...


Jockey先生,我们不要忘记这种设计比单体船设计更简单,因为它们不需要降波装置或进行底部重新设计,还解决了欠稳定单体船的宽度问题


但这样的设计在连接两个独立船体的甲板处,对结构应力方面提出了巨大的难题。


这个设计作品使得船只达到了100英尺的宽度,但航母只需要200米长就够?或者可能是超出了目前钢材的强度范围了吧。



Himanshu Pandey(印度)
doesn't double hull will reduce its maneuverability.. its looks like driving 2 cars by one steering... but if they can then its good.. it will be very much prestigious and soft power thing... will it can stay in a war and be useful only time will tell.

双体船的可操作性并不会减弱。。。它看起来就像一个方向盘开两辆车一样。。。不过如果他们那时候真能搞出来。。。将会是非常有利于提高声望和软实力。。。它会在战争中发挥作用的,时间会证明一切。

Manmohan Yadav(印度)
I find this concept utterly ridiculous
simply put,

a huge target,
very expensive,
maintenance nightmare,
too much stress on the hull joints,
lacking maneuverability needed for a battle ship,
will need a lot of escorts to keep it safe.

Chinese navy doesn't have any experience in operating a CBGs to begin with,
never mind a new design altogether, Chinese are doing great by going step by step
Now, they are just going the US way

我觉得这个概念非常荒谬
简单说:
目标巨大
非常昂贵
后勤维护的噩梦
两船体连接处的压力太大
就像战列舰一样,缺乏实用性需要
需要大量的护卫来保证它的安全

中国海军目前还没有任何操作航母战斗群的经验,就更别提这个全新的设计了。
中国正在一步一步变得了不起,现在他们正步上美式成功之路。

Safriz(巴基斯坦)回复Manmohan Yadav(印度)
you are right about structural stresses....
the only manoeuvrability issue is larger turning circle..
In straight line this design is faster and efficient than mono hull...because they experience far less water drag,being much less immersed in water


你说的没错,结构应力。。。


可操作性唯一的问题是有较大的转弯半径。。。


在直线方面效率上比单体船设计速度更快,因为减少了水的阻力和水线以下的船体。


Manmohan Yadav(印度)回复Safriz(巴基斯坦)


exactly,
going in 1 direction will make this design efficient.


but when maneuvering which is essential for a warship
the structural stress and the turning radius
so to avoid that when turning will resulting in ship slowing considerably,
or risk coming apart altogether.


确切地说


朝着一个方向会使这个设计更高效率


但是可操作性,结构应力和转弯半径也是军舰必不可少的
所以要避免转弯时船舶速度大为降低或船体完全分离开的风险。



Manmohan Yadav(印度)回复Safriz(巴基斯坦)
dual and double mean the same thing

this is going to get a lot more complicated
thanks to those Chinese

此双和彼双其实是一个意思

把这事搞的这么复杂,那还得感谢中国人啊

Layman(印度)

I feel it is a interesting development as it can pack a punch if properly executed. If we are thinking of the world at todays terms this project is not viable and feasible. But look at the prospect of having one in a decade or so... Futuristic plans worth pondering upon.

我觉得这是一个有意思的发展,如果执行得当,如同击出了一记有力的拳头。如果我们思考这个项目在今天的世界上可能行也可能不行,但再过个十年左右呢。。。未来的计划值得我们好好琢磨琢磨。

Tsunami(印度)回复Vstol Jockey(印度)

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