从这里了解印度人对中国的看法

李某某被判10年

2013-09-27 09:58 69个评论 字号:

三泰虎博客9月27日译文,中国一位将军的十几岁儿子被法院判10年徒刑。此前,法院对他的审判使得中国精英生活成为关注的焦点。北京法院在官方微博中称,17岁的李天一和另外四人被发现于二月份在北京一家酒店强奸一名女子。李天一的父亲李双江是军队歌唱家,军衔相当于将军。此案引发了全国范围内的普遍关注,精英阶层的孩子经常被视为过着奢侈的生活或靠关系过着凌驾于法律的生活。

译文来源:三泰虎 http://bbs.santaihu.com
外文标题:China court jails general’s son for 10 years over gang rape
外文地址:http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/china/China-court-jails-generals-son-for-10-years-over-gang-rape/articleshow/23088660.cms

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BEIJING: A court sentenced the teenage son of a Chinese general to 10 years in jail for rape on Thursday, court authorities said, after his trial threw a spotlight on the lives of China’s elite.

Li Tianyi, 17, and four other men were found guilty of raping a woman in a Beijing hotel in February, Beijing court authorities said on a verified social media account.

Li’s father Li Shuangjiang, a military singer, holds a rank equivalent to general in China’s army. The case drew widespread scrutiny in the country, where the children of the elite are often seen as living extravagantly or above the law due to their connections.

周四,中国一位将军的十几岁儿子被法院判10年徒刑。此前,法院对他的审判使得中国精英生活成为关注的焦点。

北京法院在官方微博中称,17岁的李天一和另外四人被发现于二月份在北京一家酒店强奸一名女子。

李天一的父亲李双江是军队歌唱家,军衔相当于将军。此案引发了全国范围内的普遍关注,精英阶层的孩子经常被视为过着奢侈的生活或靠关系过着凌驾于法律的生活。

Li Tianyi had previously triggered controversy in 2011 after he and another teenager, both driving expensive cars, attacked a couple who reportedly blocked their passage, while the victims’ child looked on.

His father is dean of the music department for the Chinese army’s Academy of Arts, and is known for singing patriotic songs. His mother, Meng Ge, is also a prominent singer.

The court did not state clearly how Li had pleaded during his trial last month. During the hearings, the Beijing News reported that he “did not admit to the sexual assault and did not admit to a relationship, saying he was drunk and did not know anything” about what happened.

此前,李天一于2011年曾引发争议。当时,他和另一位青少年驾着豪车袭击一对据称挡道的夫妇,当时受害者的孩子在一旁观望。

他父亲是中国人民解放军艺术学院音乐系的主任,以歌唱爱国歌曲而著名。他妈妈梦鸽也是著名歌手。

法院并未明确阐述李天一在过去一个月的审判中如何辩护。听证会期间,《新京报》报道称他并未承认性侵犯,他说自己喝醉了,并不知道发生了什么。

The other four defendants in the trial were sentenced to between three and 12 years in prison, the court authority said.

Internet users had speculated that Li would escape without a prison sentence. Some celebrated the verdict on Thursday.

“Ten years, that’s not bad,” posted one user of Sina Weibo, a Chinese equivalent of Twitter.

Others decried what they saw as too light a sentence for Li. “How much do other gang rapists get? In 10 years he will be released and will be considered a great boy,” said a post.

It was not immediately clear if Li would appeal the charge. State media quoted Li’s legal advisor Lan He as saying ahead of the trial that his family would appeal if the court gave a guilty verdict.

另外四名被告被判3年到12年不等的徒刑。

此前,网民推测李天一将会逃脱牢狱之灾。周四,一些网民欢庆这一裁决。

一位新浪微博用户称,“十年,不算糟。”

其他人表示谴责,称对李的判罚太轻了。

目前尚不清楚李是否会上诉。官方媒体引述李天一的法律顾问的话,称如果法院作出有罪判决,他家人将提起上诉。

以下是《印度时报》读者的评论:

译文来源:三泰虎 http://bbs.santaihu.com/thread-7375-1-1.html

Sunil J (Ahmedabad-Toronto)
### I like few things about CHINA, this is one example of it.
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中国有一些东西是我喜欢的,这就是其中一个例子。

Rabin Chanda (Kolkata)
Chines goods are not only commanding world market but also Judiciary is proving the supremacy. A 17 yars old son of a general is punishable in Chaina we the Indian simply cannot imagine.A good lesson.
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中国货不仅主宰世界市场,而且司法也证明了其优势。中国一位将军的17岁儿子居然被惩罚了,这是我们印度人无法想象的。好教训。

Dheeren Sayar (Mumbai)
Matured judiciary doesn’t go by public perceptions.
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成熟的司法并不受公众认知所左右。

BAHAR ROY (Guwahati)
We in India would rather change the Law to save one…
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为了救人,印度人宁愿修改法律…….

tima (India)
Congress should know that there is no one above the law, respect the judiciary
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国大党应当知道没有人能凌驾于法律之上,请尊重司法。

madanmohan.s ()
Can’t China government learn from Indians – can they make any changes in law -as they do not have a napkin called constitution
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中国就不能向印度学吗,他们能对法律作出任何修改吗,他们可没有一个叫做宪法的餐巾纸。

Amol Anawade (Pune, Maharashtra)
Indian government should take some lessons from china …. china don’t even bother about whoose relative or son the criminal is….
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印度政府应当从中国得到一些借鉴….中国不会去考虑罪犯是谁的亲戚…….

Rajanbabu (Pune)
Why in China 17 yr old is not a juvenile and has no legal protection is because there is no so called “DEMOCRACY”. Give votes to Chinese. See the fall of the country in a day.Even Mao – the greatest communist leader the world has seen was not willing for democracy in China.Countries like India had do embrace democracy, since we begged for funds to build our country after independence in West.
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为什么17岁在中国不算青少年,得不到法律保护,因为中国没有所谓的“皿煮”。给中国人选票,这个国家一天内就会倒下。独立后,由于要向西方乞讨资金来建设国家,印度不得不拥抱皿煮。

Vikas Thakur ()
17 year old — would be hanged in China but in India we consider them Juvenile. China had a strong law and order situation thats why China is much ahead of India.
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17岁的罪犯在中国会被处死,但在印度会被视为青少年。中国有强大的法律,所以会遥遥领先印度。

Utpala Ray ()
Indian jails say he is a minor and so needs to go to Juvenile rehab. Learn to make the laws more stringent.
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印度监狱会说他是未成年,应当进感化院。印度应当向中国学习,让法律变得更严厉。

Vinoth Kumar (chennai)
India should change their laws…strict laws should bring fears on criminals…
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印度应当修改法律…..严格的法律能对罪犯注入畏惧感……

ashvenforu ()
If it is India…He could have saved his son easily from the case with his political influence. Good on China
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如果是在印度,他也许能利用政治影响力来轻易拯救儿子。中国干得好

Dalalpost (India)
India is a promising land for r@pist. No punishment only promising future.
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印度是强奸的沃土。罪犯可以免受处罚,有的只是光明的前途。

Tapan Mohanty (new delhi)
is there any lesson , india can learn?
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是否有值得印度借鉴的?

Desi Indian (India) replies to Tapan Mohanty
yes. Chowmin is harmful.. ))
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炒面是有害的……

Vijay Gill (Dublin, Ireland)
Looks now India needs judges also ‘made in China’ to get justice.
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看来印度也需要“中国产”的法官来行使正义。

TheVenusProject (DotCom) replies to Vijay Gill
Lol…but judges made in China are bad quality and wont last 😉
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(大笑)…..中国产的法官“质量不好,不耐用” 😉

Zax Pkt ()
India…please learn from your neighbor.
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印度,请向邻国学习。

ALKA chawla (new delhi)
had he been Indian he would have been convicted for 3 years only whatever crime he does
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要是在印度,不管犯下何罪行,他将只会被判3年。

sun2300 (Location)
This is 2nd positive judgement in last 24hrs..this shows China is very fair on trails for criminals ..with out wasting time we must start Importing law order & Judiciary system of China…
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这是过去24小时内中国的第二个积极判罚,它表明中国对罪犯秉公处理……不会去浪费时间,我们务必开始引进中国的司法体制。

Morgan (Australia)
Just because he is the son of a person in power, for anyone else, this would be at least a 20 year sentence depending on the severity of the crime.
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正因为是有权人的儿子,要是换了别人,就凭犯罪的严重性,也许至少会被判20年。

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    倘若父母足够聪明,会委托监狱代为教育逆子,并且认识到这次教训对他此后的人生有益,但是可惜梦鸽没有表现出来理性的爱。

    • 秦城监狱的伙食标准比你我在外面还高哦,除了不能上网(不过这谁知道呢?),我都想进去体验生活 :mrgreen:

          • 给你好吃好喝、网球和乒乓球,但是没有家人的陪伴,没有自由,连上个网都只能看不能说,举目四顾都是高墙和通电的铁丝网,你觉得真的有那么爽?小白啊,好好想想吧!反正换了我,是死活都不想进去的

      • 吃粗粮对天一有好处。。。梦鸽不管,党和国家把责任负起来。。。 :mrgreen: 。。。10年粗粮天一的智商起码能高一个档次。。。恭喜。。天一。。。 :mrgreen:

    • 其实, 我也不觉的那女孩是什么正经人,想一想,听话的好好念书好好工作的女孩子会去那种地方吗?物以类聚

    • 第一,中国刑法明确规定,轮奸罪的起刑点就是10年;第二,李天一应该确实是未成年人,因为“他是成年人”这一点,一直是媒体在炒来炒去,而这样影响巨大的案子,没有哪个法官犯傻去捂,肯定是测过骨龄了,因此法庭采信的是17岁这个年龄,并专门加上了“岁未成年,但已经能够为自己所犯的罪行承担责任”这一点。
      综上所述,10年是个很正常的判罚,对未成年人的轮奸罪以起刑点论处,比较公平,能够服众。
      让我真正搞不明白的其实是某些人——
      他们在出事之后就叫嚣“李天一肯定没事!有爹妈罩着,几天就出来了!”;审判之前又叫嚣:“肯定不能重判!有爹妈罩着,几天就出来了!”;等判了10年,又叫嚣“肯定蹲不了几天就保外就医了!有爹妈罩着!”——尼玛当监狱是李家开的,说保外就医就保外就医?现在就有这么说的了:“蹲满10年又怎么样?出来的时候不满三十,在里面啥都学会了,出来有爹妈罩着,又是个犯罪头子!”
      我就奇怪了,尼玛到底是要怎样?咋地都不满意?

  2. 正因为是李双江的儿子,再则梦鸽太高调,以至于反而害了李天一,社会舆论太大了,影响到了判决,个人认为,10年是有点重了,不过,像这种渣渣,感情上来说,活着对社会始终是个祸害,10年后出来,不见得就会从善。

          • 这回梦鸽省心了。。。党说你们管不了。。。我来。。。,10年粗粮天一的智商起码能高一个档次。。。恭喜。。天一。。。

            :mrgreen:

          • 李双江这回可得罪人得罪多了。。。应为天一这事,军队下文(3级文艺兵不能叫将军)。。。得有多少人恨他们啊。。。梦鸽和李在军队里混不上去了。。。 :mrgreen:

        • 它们整个一家人都是佞人
          将军拍了一辈子马,不容易
          老婆投其所好嫁给将军,以为自己高高在上了,典型猪队友,更亲民一点的话也不至于此
          会唱爱国歌曲的夫妻档更会狡辩
          孩子在这样的家庭环境下长大,自己没多大选择性,不奇怪

    • 确实,天一在法律上是未成年人,按照从轻处罚的原则,应该不会这么高,说白了还是舆论闹的,让舆论影响判决,最后影响的恰恰是这些鼓吹的人们。

      • 不一定对,好象:
        轮奸最轻量刑就是10年了,这个案件性质恶劣,社会影响极大,而且拒不认罪,态度不好,如果不是考虑到他未成年,绝对10年以上。
        所以,总而言之,还算合理。

        • 不是听说之前也犯过事吗?在还不到那个叫什么期限再犯事是会着重判刑的啊。如果之前听说的那件事是真的话。我相信这个也是导致判10年的原因之一吧!

  3. 判了以后人们会自然而然地谈到入狱后的生活,一般入狱后这种消息会销声匿迹,大家还是别干扰人家在入狱后正常生活,毕竟那是普通人所能感受到的

  4. 三泰虎真的是有选择性的翻译吗?

    如果真是这样那真让人失望…

    话说,这一届政府对于贯彻法制的决心不知道能不能彻底改变整个社会,唤醒公民的法律意识,使整个国家得到升华。

  5. 说实在的,判得不算轻,强奸罪是刑法八项重罪之一,法定刑就高,而轮奸是法定加重刑罚的情况,再综合关于年龄因素的考虑,10年有期徒刑应当是比较合适的。不过,从公布的庭审和判决情况看,李天一很难被认定是“主犯”或“教唆”等团伙中加重判罚的情况,即使他在强奸的过程中有胁迫及伤害的行为,在司法实践中也一般不作另外加重(一般作为强奸行为过程的一部分在量刑中予以考虑。)因此结合其他几位的判罚,可以看出这次一审的法官在自由裁量的过程中是倾向重罚李天一个人的。这可能与其造成的社会影响有关(中国法律司法实践中造成社会恶劣影响一般可以作为加重刑罚的依据)。以此看来,天一小朋友是被他妈妈又害了一次。

  6. 不明真相的路过——-看过很多的事迹昨天是白的,今天就成黑的了。明天再是白的,后天再变黑。。。

  7. 和那个德里强奸案正好一比,那个raj只判了4年,剩下的4个小伙伴被绞刑;李某判了10年,剩下4个小伙伴被判了4年到12年不等,还附带经济赔偿,有意思的对比。

  8. 这是公众舆论的力量 包括三哥的 没有网络没有监督没有舆论 你不知道他做什么 只要他们愿意 你就觉得他是好孩子

  9. 说实话事实到底如何不知,倒是民豆们和讼棍们想借此事件打击政府罢了。
    有传闻是酒吧伙同坐台女勾引阔少意图敲诈,真真假假谁又知道。

    • 那个张伟有拉皮条性暗示的成分,而酒吧不可能不知情,所以这个我觉得他们有附带责任,说白了跟古代介绍暗娼没什么区别