China claims to have developed revolutionary Nuclear submarine with high speed of 100
In its comprehensive report, huanqiu.com says: “Reference News quotes Taiwan’s Central News Agency as reporting that Tan Zuojun, Vice Governorof Liaoning Province, has recently revealed thatChina has successfully completed the development of its fourth-generation nuclear submarine. It has given rise to much speculation in military circles. Some experts are of the opinion that the news is credible.
“Hong Kong’s Wen Hui Po quotes netizens analysis on that day as saying that the fourth-generation nuclear submarine Tan Zuojun mentioned must beType 095 attack and Type 096 strategic nuclear submarines. However, Hong Kong military analyst Liang Guoliang said that by inference, China’s fourth-generation nuclear submarine must be Types 097 and 098.
“Liang Guoliang pointed out to the reporter that China has been developing its fourth-generation nuclear submarines since 2000. It is said that this kind of submarine is of a revolutionary design that adopts unprecedented method of propelling by magnetic liquid without screw propeller.
“Besides, the submarine is even free of tail and horizontal rudders and possibly has not even a surrounding shell. Therefore, it generates no mechanical or cruise noise at all and will be a real ‘ocean black hole.’
“In theory, the submarine’s speed may reach 100 knots (according to the original text in huanqiu.com), quicker than all ordinary high-speed torpedoes.
“However, Liang said: the ‘successful development’ does not necessarily mean ‘successful manufacture.’ If the design has been completed and a submarine half or one thirds of the size of prototype has been made and successfully passed various tests, the development can be regarded as successful. However, the construction of one is another matter. According to Liang’s estimate, it takes at lease 4 to 6 or even 10 years to successfully launch and complete all relevant equipment for the submarine.”
Source: huanqiu.com “Hong Kong media guesses China has developed a revolutionary submarine with 100 knots high speed” (translated from Chinese by Chan Kai Yee)
Chinese and innovation??
Is it going to be something like the "retractable pylon" they invented for J-20 which actually helps only to increase RCS?
100 Knots = 185 Kms/h
at that speed, the submarine is no longer silent and can be picked off
at as far as 600 Kms by present day sensors.
Some Idiot must have made it up.
100 knots !!!, Unfathomable. That too a submarine... well it would interesting to see their designs when they finish up.
BTW, what about water resistance ???????
Chines propaganda on the job.....
Sagar alias Jacky（印度）
Must be like our Times Of India, they will issue an apology later.
100 knots??? It is insane!! The seer water pressure and stress on it hull will collapse it, imagine the drag on it.
Either they have built a full sized "Nautilus" with perfected Carbon Nano-tube tech, otherwise its a pure hoax.
185 Km/h underwater ... my question is with that speed ... how its going to affect the stealth features ... definitely going to make some noise !!!
unless chinese got there hand on capt. Nemo's ship nautilus
They will build something odd and claim that it is going at 100 knots who is there to confirm as of such their military establishment has sworn to shoddy secrets.
Um, WTF? That's moronic. Guess that too much copypasting of other's mistakes causes brain damage
Sometimes it is said full cup cant think anything and empty cup(minds) can work wonders. these guys are trying to showcase their skills with creating something biggest and greatest. But this call defies laws of physics i must say.
carbon nano tube
hmmm.... now that would be interesting
In normal weapon bay operations, it's a simple 3-step process :-
1. Open weapon bay
2. Release missile
3. Close weapon bay
In that "innovation" they pioneered (see the J-20 thread), it is much longer 7-step process :-
1. Open weapon bay
2. Stick launch pylon (w/ missile) out of the bay
3. Close weapon bay door
4. Release missile
5. Open weapon bay again
6. Retract the launcher
7. Close bay door again
I'm baffled how they claim a 7-step process is cleaner and can be done faster than a simple 3-step process!
And guess what...they ridiculously claim that this arrangement reduces RCS, because the bay doors are opened only for a short period of time.
Now that is the edge of hypocrisy. In normal weapon bay design, the innards of the bay can be scanned only if the enemy radar is probing while using the 3 o' clock or 9 o' clock positions (wrt to the targeted plane) as a yardstick, or from below.
They cannot be seen if scanning from upfront or from rear/above.
In this so called "innovation", the "stealth" plane actually carries an external pylon for a while! And worse part is that this pylon can be seen from any direction (except the polar opposite), the launch rail (and the missile on it) are effective RCS-enhancers and are fully visible from front, sides, back, below or maybe even from above.
And secondly, you can see there is a lot of movement in the weapon release system - 7 steps are taken one after the other, and the surfaces with all their corner reflectors are moving a lot more than usual weapon bay operations, which translates into more activity visible on enemy's radar screen.
And if it's an L-band VHF radar scanning from below...good luck with the stealth tag.
Chinese and their innovations, total hogwash and waste of time.
Have you realized it as yet - it seems China is a more efficient money-waster than US, it seems they want to surpass the US in this field too.
他们率先采纳了这种“创新”（ 参考J-20的运作），是更繁琐的7个步骤： -
其次，你可以看到武器释放系统有很多的动作 -一步接一步做好 7个步骤，机体表面全是反射截面，比常规布局的武器舱多了许多，从而转化为敌方雷达上更多的可视信号。
你可能尚未意识到 - 中国浪费起钱来似乎比美国更有效率啊，看来他们也想在这一领域超越美国。
Brain damage. One of most important rules in anything related to military is KISS: keep it simple, stupid. Use simplest tools and processes that can do the job and you'll be fine. That is called "eliminating friction" (I believe Clausewitz talked about it).
...and now we have to deal with this hoax about a hypothetical 100-knots submarine which they claim is absolutely noise-less.
I'm again baffled how an object moving at such great speed through intense water resistance can be "stealthy" on any type of detection sensors, and I wonder how it will be noise-less, really.
I would think a present day Kilo-class SSK can be more stealthy than that.
If it is VHF radar, or God forbid HF radar, having bay doors open won't make a difference since stealth aircraft won't be any more stealth than Gripen or Rafale.
I knew that since they unveilled J-20. At least PAK FA, waste of money as it is, seems to be an effective and logical design. As someone put it (paraphrasing) "Russians declined to compromise aerodynamic performance for increased stealth". Looks like French, Swedes and Russians are the only sane aircraft designers left.
It can't. You'll probably be able to hear it from surface just by putting head into sea.
Nimitz-class aircraft carrier is more acoustically stealthy than that, let alone submarines. To be fair, if such submarine is made, it will simply rely on outrunning torpedoes rather than on stealth, but it will be so expensive Chinese won't be able to afford more than one or two which will spend 99% of time in maintenance. 5 seconds on super speed and then spend 5 days fixing cracks.
Well though very stupid
I am glad that China is doing it, good for us
If the Chinese do plan on bragging
they should at least make is more sensible and believable
Sagar alias Jacky（印度）回复Picard（克罗地亚）
Hope the Chinese scrap all the other submarine projects & build only this 'unbelievable' submarines in future. Then the Indian Navy can save some money on the submarine front
China and its .................Leave it
i am sure it 'll be a flying submarine and 'll attain the 100 knots mark..
Still I am searching what China never claimed
The DRDO GUY（印度）
i do not have any doubt in my mind that china can not make such sub which can attain this super speed but the point to ponder is if this would have been some sort of technological advantage then us would have at least 20 of them by now....In every game their are some set of rules and in science their are certain laws which one need to abide by.
Does anyone know of a being which can swim or flap at these speeds in the sea... I think Chinese might be replicating them and saying if it can do we can do too...
IT is possible for miniature torpedoes, but imagining it for a sub it close to impossible.
There is perhaps technology problems to implement it on massive sub but it's not a physics laws limitation.
all I can say Iran and NK are not alone in this larger then reality projects