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印度第四大城市金奈的市政建设 回扣多 好路少

2014-04-03 16:03 47个评论 字号:

据《印度时报》报道,市政委员会数据显示,金奈85%道路质量低劣。全市几乎85%的道路通不过市政委员会的质量检验。印度时报看到的数据显示:172条选出的道路中,27条做了检验,其中只有4条合格。被选检验的道路,12条正在施工中,其中 9条通不过。15条已完成施工的道路中,只有一条通过。市政委员会列出了將近10000条要修的路,估计花费40亿卢比。可是大部分重铺的路,来往行人说,不到几个月就开始变样了。

译者:ken
来源:三泰虎论坛 http://bbs.santaihu.com/thread-8399-1-1.html
外文:http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/85-of-Chennai- roads-of-poor-quality-corporation-data-shows/articleshow/30423497.cms?cfmid=14000000

资料图:印度金奈市

资料图:印度金奈市

85% of Chennai roads of poor quality, corporation data shows

市政委员会数据显示,金奈85%道路质量低劣

CHENNAI: Almost 85% of city roads have failed Chennai Corporation’s quality test. Data accessed by TOI shows 27 of the 172 samples collected were tested, and only four roads were found to be of standard quality.

金奈:全市几乎85%的道路通不过市政委员会的质量检验。印度时报看到的数据显示:172条选出的道路中,27条做了检验,其中只有4条合格。

Of the samples taken for testing, 12 were collected during re-laying of roads, and nine failed. Of the 15 samples taken from completed roads, just one passed. The corporation had taken up nearly 10,000 roads for relaying at an estimated 400 crore but most re-laid roads, say commuters, began deteriorating within months.

被选检验的道路,12条正在施工中,其中 9条通不过。15条已完成施工的道路中,只有一条通过。市政委员会列出了將近10000条要修的路,估计花费40亿卢比。可是大部分重铺的路,来往行人说,不到几个月就开始变样了。

资料图:印度金奈,排灯节前赶回家过节的旅客们坐在拥挤的火车车厢内

资料图:印度金奈,排灯节前赶回家过节的旅客们坐在拥挤的火车车厢内

TOI had recently exposed how contractors form cartels to take up work at high cost and compromise on the quality of work. Contractors blame it on institutionalized corruption where 10% of the project cost to is be paid to politicians and officials at different levels.

印度时报最近揭露出,大企业承包商是如何用高价拿下项目,又如何敷衍工程质量的。承包商们把这归罪于制度化的腐败:项目资金的10%要拿出来给政客和各级官员。

Corporation officials said they were checking the quality of newly laid roads for the first time. “We will ask contractors to relay these roads and have decided not pay any further amount to them if they fail to do it,” said an official.

市政官员们说,他们是第一次对新建道路检查。“我们会叫承包商返工,並且决定,如果他们没返工,就不再付款给他们,”一位官员说道。

A quality control wing, comprising 21 employees, has been formed in the corporation. “We procured two mobile vans for site inspections and more samples will be collected from roads for tests,” he said.

一个21人的质量控制分部,已在市政委员会内组成。“我们弄来2辆巡迴面包车做现㘯检查,以后还会抽查更多路段” 他说。

The quality control wing will conduct inspections to see if the required temperature was being maintained while preparing the aggregate and bitumen mix, said an official. The bitumen content, the level of penetration and road thickness should also be checked, he added.

质量控制分部会在配料时查看伴料、沥青混合物的温度是否达到要求,一位官员说。沥青成分,渗透程度和道路厚度也应受到检查,他又说。

Commuters say strict punishment to road contractors doing a shabby job will send a message. “Two days after a road is re-laid, it begins developing holes,” said Vinod Jain of Sowcarpet.

往来的人们说,对偷工减料的承包商进行严厉处罚,会给他们个警醒。“路面修过才二天,就开始出现孔洞了” Sowcarpet 的费淖德.京说道。

Experts say inviting global tenders can ensure quality. “It cannot be ensured when work is broken into packages and handed out to local contractors. At present, there are no third party inspections to ensure quality. The money should be released only if the contractor follows all guidelines,” said Roshan Toshniwal, a road expert with Transparent Chennai, an NGO.

专家们说,邀来全球各地的竞标者可以确保质量。“没法保证,工程被分片转手给当地承包商。现在,没有独立检验部门来确保质量。只有当承包商完全照章办亊,款子才可以付出去,” 非赢利机构“透明金奈”的道路专家罗山.托西尼瓦说。

On their part, contractors say they will not get any profit if they follow all guidelines. “The corporation should first stop interference from ward councillors and officials before taking action against us. No bill is passed without ‘cuttings’ being paid to politicians and officials,” said a contractor. The estimated value of a project was always lesser than the market value, he added.

承包商们说,就他们这一块,如果完全按照章程,那是一分钱也挣不到。“市政在对我们采取行动前,首先要阻止区级议员和官员对我们的干涉。没有哪张单子,不要割几块下来给政客、给当官的,” 一位承包商说。他接着说,工程估价,总是不如市价。

A few experts say systems like the one introduced in Mumbai can help to an extent. Brihanmumbai Municipal Corporation’s Rs 60 lakh pothole tracking system allows residents to upload photographs of potholes and geotag them. Once a picture is put up on www.voiceofcitizen.com, a BMC engineer is tasked with ensuring that the contractor concerned fixes it within 48 hours.

一些专家说,有些系统,象孟买市引进的那套,会在一定程度上有帮助。孟买市政有个6亿卢比的路面坑洼跟踪系统,可以让居民上传、定位路面坑洼图片。当图片发到www.voiceofcitizen.com时,就会指定一名孟买市政的工程师, 他要确保相应的承包商在48小时内修复路面。

以下为评论:

SANKILIKALAI GANESAN (Chennai)

I came to know that the contractors paid about 40% to 50% of total estimated cost of a road project as cut-back to the politicians and officials of Chennai Corporation. Then how can they come forward to lay a road with standard quality. Instead of laying black top roads, the corporation may planned to cement roads with provisions for cables, drainage and water lines. After laying a black top road laid using blue metal and bitumen, immediately the telecom, electricity, water and sewerage board personnel damaged for doing repair works or any replacement works. Before laying the road, the corporation personnel should have get clearance from the telecom, electricity, water and sewerage board to avoid damages in the roads immediately after laid down.

我想起来了,承包商把道路工程总估价的40%~50%作为回扣,塞给金奈市政的政客和官员。这样,他们怎么能够按标准质量来修路呢?市政委员会可能把有电缆、下水道和水管的道路规划为水泥路面,而不是黑色路面。一条用蓝色金属和柏油修建的黑色路段刚刚铺好,电讯公司、电力公司、自来水和下水道委员会的工作人员立即来维修或者换设备,把路面破坏了。在翻修新路前,市政应让那些单位把维修项目报上来审批,免得路刚修好又给挖开了

Veejay (Chennai)

They are not only poor, but encroached by Street Vendors, Auto-rickshaw stands and garbage drums.. Over and above, by private cars of those who does not have a car parking.. good example : Ganapthy street, of west Mambalam encroached by all means..

不光路况糟糕,而且给路边小贩、自动三轮车和垃圾桶…还有那些没有停车位的私人汽车…占满了。好列子:西玛姆巴兰区的加奈普西街,各种各样的东西把路塞了…

Mukesh Dhakarwal (Unknown)

all india roads are poor

印度道路都糟糕

lakshmi (Hyd)

if Chennai roads of poor quality, what are Hyderabad Roads. We do not have words.

要是金奈的路算糟糕,那么海德拉巴德的路呢?我们没话说了。

Jag (India)

Road putting, involves lots of commission, as bribe, to corrupt govt officials and politicians, only when this stops the quality will improve….

修路牵扯到多种回扣,作为贿赂来腐败政府官员和政客,只有这些都没了,道路质量才会提高…

Shrinath Saravanan (Unknown)

There are 4 quality roads in Chennai. Oh my, I haven’t seen even one.

金奈有4条好路?啊、天那,我连一条都没见着。

Bharatvasi (Chennai)

It is true that Chennai roads are bad compared to other Indian cities like delhi & Mumbai; The 15% roads are only in areas, where ministers, judges live & the route from CM’s residence to the secretariat. No contractor will get punished under the dravidian govts. Both DMK & ADMK are equally culprit in this case for the last 30-40 years!!!.

与德里和孟买的街道比较,金奈的不好,这是事实;15%的好路只在部长、法官住的地方,还有首席部长㝢所去办公室的道路。在德拉维(印度原住民)人的政府下没有承包商会受处罚。在过去的30~40年里,DMK 和ADMK 这两个党派同样有罪!!!

Ramaraju (Renigunta) replies to Bharatvasi

So you want North Indian ,national parties to loot. Any day these Dravidian parties are far better.

所以你要北印度人、国家党来收刮。不管怎样,这些德拉维人要好多了。

raamaswamy Ramaswamy (India)

May be the rest 15% rated as good roads lead to MPs., MLAs and Corporators Houses.

也许那剩下的15%好路只通向上、下议员和市政委员的别墅。

VAGABOND (PLANET EARTH)

But it is also sadly true that greasing the politicians and govt staffs itself will eat away half of the estimate sanctioned for the work. Cuttings will erode the quality of the outcome is UN-deniable truth.

政客和政府官员的油水会把批准的项目吞掉一半,让人伤心,也是事实。一块块切走了, 会侵蚀最后质量,这不得不承认。

subramanian (Location)

For public it is mega corruption but for rulers they are trivial.

对老百姓来说这是大贪,可对管事的来说是小意思。

Ketan Patel (India)

MAy be this is one of the characteristics of capitalcith in tamilnadu ministers mind.

在泰米尔.纳都部长们的脑子里,这也许是资本主义的特征之一。

Mani Menon (Chennai)

I can hear some people laughing all the way to the bank! The contractors perhaps! If the Chennai Corporation is serious about these bad roads, they can rectify this problem. What they need is the will to do it!

我能听到有人钱财到手哈哈乐!承包商,也许是!如果金奈市政对糟糕的路况认真,他们可以改正。他们缺的就是这个心!

scamnivas (Madras)

Bad roads means more money ! Go on repairing!

糟糕的道路就意味意着更多的钱啊!接着修吧!

Abhishek Dogra (orissa)

leave chennai everywhere its the same case

放了金奈,到处都一样

desmondou (Oversea)

Chidambarams trucks are all overloaded that’s the cause.

所有卡车全都超载,这是原因。

Jeyakumar Devairrakam (Unknown)

it is 100% percent for rural roads

农村的路是100%

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