从这里了解印度人对中国的看法

东盟欲拉印度抗衡中国,印网民热烈回应

2012-11-18 15:57 40个评论 字号:

《印度时报》17日报道,随着辛格总理到达金边,他可能在该地区重复听到一个共同的呼声:这里非常需要印度,但印度来得太慢了。对东盟国家来说,这是一个关键时刻。东盟各国努力保持凝聚力和站稳脚跟,他们与该地区的中国大块头身陷令人不快的领土纠纷。更大的大块头美国航行到该海域,并告知他们如何在其帮助下对抗中国。美国国防部长帕内塔告诉与会各国:“为了在未来许多年里我们有能力促进该地区的安全和繁荣,我们正与该地区的盟友和伙伴加强军事关系。”

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原文标题:Where is India, we need it, Asean says
原文链接:http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Where-is-India-we-need-it-Asean-says/articleshow/17252217.cms

辛格总理

PHNOM PENH: As Prime Minister Manmohan Singh arrives in Phnom Penh on Sunday, he is likely to hear a common refrain in this part of the world: India is sorely needed here, but India is too slow.

It’s a critical time for Asean countries — they are struggling to remain cohesive and stay relevant. They are caught in a bruising territorial dispute with the big Heavy in the region, China. And now the even bigger US is sailing into their waters and telling them how to stand up to China, with its help. US defense secretary Leon Panetta told everyone he who would listen on Friday, “we are deepening our military engagement with our allies and partners in this region in order to ensure that we are able to promote security and prosperity in this region for many years to come.”

金边:随着辛格总理到达金边,他可能在该地区重复听到一个共同的呼声:这里非常需要印度,但印度来得太慢了。

对东盟国家来说,这是一个关键时刻。东盟各国努力保持凝聚力和站稳脚跟,他们与该地区的中国大块头身陷令人不快的领土纠纷。更大的大块头美国航行到该海域,并告知他们如何在其帮助下对抗中国。美国国防部长帕内塔告诉与会各国:“为了在未来许多年里我们有能力促进该地区的安全和繁荣,我们正与该地区的盟友和伙伴加强军事关系。”

For many, India is a natural balancer in this region. India struck roots here hundreds of years ago, and there are signs all around. But in the current strategic debate roiling the region, India is a peripheral presence. India’s only statement so far has been to endorse the importance of ensuring freedom of navigation and mineral resources in the troubled wats of the South China Sea. In a joint statement with the Chinese, India also emphasized its stakes in the Asia-Pacific. That lone position by the MEA, India believes may have absolved it of all other responsibility. With $80 billion in bilateral trade, India needs a louder ASEAN policy.

对于许多国家来说,印度天然就适合充当该地区的平衡者。数百年前,印度就开始在这里扎根,到处都有印度人留下的足迹。在搅乱该地区的战略争议中,印度一直保持外围存在。迄今为止,印度只发表了一个声明,即希望各方确保自由通航和南海争议水域矿产资源非独占的重要性。在中印联合声明中,印度还强调了其在亚太的利益存在。

以下是印度网民的评论:

ks130 (bhopal)
haha hes already 80 what else can we expect of him

哈哈,已经80岁了,还能对他抱什么期望。

ks130 (bhopal)
mr singh follows mrs italian only…he’s the most foolish PM of India ever

辛格先生只听意大利女士的话,他是印度史上最愚蠢的总理。

ks130 (bhopal)
Make us a member of ASEAN rather than just a n observer!!! As an observer there are limited powers or limited chances of engagement as a member it gives more opportunities

让我们成为东盟会员国,别只让当一个观察员。会员国参与的机会更多,而观察员的权利有受限制。

译文来源:三泰虎 http://www.santaihu.com

bg (Bangkok)
I think it seems to be comments of our journalist. Indians are the most unwanted country in ASEAN. No ASEAN country want india as we have nothing to offer other than art of making money. Even if they complain on china all ASEAN country run after them. We Indians have nothing to offer other than crooks and poverty.

我认为这是记者的炒作。印度人在东盟最不受欢迎。除了赚钱艺术,印度没啥好提供的,东盟国家不需要。虽说对中国有抱怨,但东盟各国还是对中国趋之若鹜。除了骗子和贫穷,我们印度人不能给东盟带去什么。

sam (melbourne)
dear mms, when you are in Vietnam, just have a look around and see how the country has developed from war torn to beautiful city, and also have a look at pathetic state of new Delhi, then decide if you are eligible to sit in the post post you are holding
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亲爱的辛格总理,去越南时,到处走走看,看看该国是如何在战争废墟中建起漂亮城市,再看看新德里可怜的状况,然后想想自己是否有资格占着现在的职位。

asit hota (bbsrw)
India need to act fast….we need to stand firm on our policy of regional stability.

印度要快速行动起来,在维护地区稳定的政策上要立场坚定。

Kristofer Quadros (No fixed address)
When does India ever take a stand?
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印度什么时候能表明立场?

Samit Mathur (Noida)
Q- Where is India…? A- Sold Out by the Prime Minister…..!!
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问:印度在哪里?

答:已经被总理卖掉了!!

Nishant Kumar (Mumbai)
It is unfortunate that our leadership is not able to keep its back straight and look China into its eye. Our foreign policy is a story of just waiting and losing the advantage. We lost it in Sri lanka, Nepal and Africa and long back in Tibet. Its high time we stand up and assume our position as regional power, else we will become irrelevant at the worlds stage.
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很不幸,我们领导层的腰杆挺不直,不敢正视中国的眼睛,奉行的是观望政策,导致优势丧失。印度在斯里兰卡、尼泊尔和非洲输了,很早以前在xz也输了。我们早该站起来,以地区大国自居,否则会成为世界舞台上的旁观者。

Dr. Rajah Srivastava (Copenhagen, Denmark)
Many Indians also want close relations with China. People like Gacharan Das , former excecutive of Procter and Gamble has many close friends who are senior members of the Chinese Communist Party. ( see Economist) India firms would also be getting Chinese government infrastructure contracts and Indian businesses would soon be allowed to operate in Chine like I.T. and Pharmaceuticals. Chinais also an important partner for India in the future of Asia. Both countries should work closely together.for the prosperity and safety of Asia.

许多印度人希望与中国建立亲密关系。Gacharan Das、保洁公司的前行政董事等人有许多朋友是中国gcd高官。印度公司也能获得中国的基础设施合同,印度企业很快会被允许进入中国的IT业和制药业。中国也是印度未来在亚洲的重要伙伴。为了亚洲的繁荣与安全,中印两国应该密切合作。

Indian (India)
While 187 million Pakis are either getting killed by homemade bombings or reading our newspapers and getting jealous. And guess what, Pakis are not all whites as well. In fact, the white westerners did coin the term “Pakis” for Black Pakistanis running corner shops on weekdays and getting beaten up on weekends. Lots of love, an Indian.
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1.87亿巴基佬不是被自制zha弹炸死,就是看着印度报纸心生嫉妒。猜猜咋了,巴基佬也不全是白人。事实上,西方白人以“巴基佬”来描述工作日开着街角小店、周末被殴打的巴基斯坦黑人。

Saurabh (Ind)
India is itself a beggar country, how it can help other poor countries.
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印度自身是一个乞丐国家,又如何能帮助其他穷国。

Ananthanarayanan (Bangalore)
It’s wrong to say that USA is teaching India to stand up to China. It’s India, which is teaching USA how to respect Europe. Now China has to learn to survive in this new world order by taking a U turn from its past ethos. It will be a very very tall order and will be a painful transition for China. There is no other alternative for China. It has to look South for solutions and not the West. Otherwise it will sink.
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说美国教印度对抗中国,那是错的。正是印度教美国如何尊重欧洲。在新的世界秩序中,为了学会生存,中国摒弃过去的信仰,来了个180度大转弯。这在当时是难以完成的任务,对中国是一个痛苦的转变过程,但中国没有其他选择。它必须往南看寻找出路,而不是往西看,否则会沉沦。

colranbir lamba (PTA)
INDIA SHOULD MOVE ON GROWTH WITH SPEED. >BE A LEADER IN THE REGION
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印度应该在发展道路上快速前进,要成为地区领袖。

KK JAIGOPAL (Indirapuram)
India’s snail paced approach towards grabbing opportunity not only in Asean nations but also in other regions like Africa, Latin and South America proved to be a blessing for China; India always showed the tendency of lethargy, less aggressiveness whereas China was always up on the feet, aggressive; no doubt that China exploited the natural resources wherever they went, but India too could not benefit anything for not exploiting natural resources. Asean is historically more inclined towards India than China because of historical and cultural connection, whereas Chinese migrated during last couple of centuries for the purpose of livelihood.
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不仅在东盟国家,而且在非洲、拉丁美洲等地区,印度行动缓慢,错失机会,算是上天对中国的眷顾。印度总是偏于冷漠,不好斗,而中国一向强硬,好斗。结果很显然,中国充分利用了世界各地的自然资源。由于历史和文化联系,与中国相比,东盟历史上更偏向印度,而中国人是在最近几个世纪出于生计需要而移居那里的。

Ind (India)
India must fast track connectivity with North east and Thailand to Australia. Asean must form a defence treaty like NATO. They must start building the Kra Canal in Thailand. They should stop fighting over temples. Thailand leads in manufacturing. HongKong model of anti corruption laws are needed in India and Asean region.
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从东北亚,到泰国,再到澳大利亚,印度必须与其建立紧密联系。东盟必须组建类似北约的防御组织,还得在泰国开建克拉地峡运河,别再为寺庙而打打杀杀。泰国在制造业领先,香港的反腐模式值得印度和东盟借鉴。

MP Abraham (Chennai)
India need to have a strong Govt (not busy with scams & squabbles) in place by 2014, so that they can look out and restrict the Chinese with the support of the ASEANS.
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印度需要在2014年前建立一个强势政府(不诈骗,不争吵),这样可以在东盟的支持下提防和限制中国人。

mr.lastwish (unknown)
India cannot solve its own issues…leave the thought of even acknowledging international issues !
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印度自己的问题都解决不了,更别提国际问题了!

manpreet (punjab)
India cannot even get along with it’s neighbors let alone ASEAN.
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印度与邻国都相处不好,更别提东盟了。

mohan (coimbatore)
Asean wants India! Indians also want a functioning government! We do not want this bumbling UPA!
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东盟需要印度!印度人也需要一个正常运作的政府!我们不需要装模作样的国大党政府!

Sushil (Lucknow)
It is really tragic to see that when majority of countries in Asia Pacific & in our neighbor hood look towards India to assist,guide & protect them from any aggression,we Indians are busy not only in dirty politics of regionalism,casteism & corruption but also to degrade ourselves by our conduct.Our politicians needs to show some sort of maturity for international affairs otherwise we will miss the bus & someone else would take our position.
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大多数亚太国家以及邻近国家期盼印度提供帮助、指引他们并保护其利益免遭侵犯,我们印度人却深陷地区主义、种姓主义和腐败等脏脏政治,而且我们的行为降低了自己的身份。在国际事务上,印度政客应该表现出成熟的一面,否则会错失机会,其他人会取而代之。

原创翻译:三泰虎 http://www.santaihu.com

appan menon (Jaipur)
China is trying to encircle us by befriending Nepal, Pakistan, and even Sri Lanka of late. The answer is not merely to compete, but to cultivate a closer relationship with all South East Asian countries, and Japan with whom, and just like with us, China has border disputes.The US and India have common interest here. Both should abandon their Pakistan-specific policies and look beyond and further. While the Chinese and the Indians have many a history long friendly associations, the Communist government in China do not recognize it nor are going to do so in the near future.
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中国与尼泊尔、巴基斯坦交好,最近还与斯里兰卡好上了,力图包围我们。印度的回应不仅是与之竞争,还要与东南亚各国、日本等国培养更密切的关系,这些国家也与中国有领土争议。美国和印度在该地区有共同利益,应该摒弃以巴基斯坦为导向的政策,把眼光放远一些。中国人和印度人历史上关系一向友好,但中国的gcd政府不承认,以后也不会承认。

Derrick Dias (Goa)
Over years India has lost world respect because of its leaders. Its leaders at home have lost the faith and respect of it’s own people because of scams. Power has gone to the hands of rascals, rogues freebooters, all Indians leaders are of low caliber and men of straw.
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这些年,印度因其领导人而丧失世界的尊敬。国内领导人因其诈骗而丢失信仰和人民的尊敬。权利落入了流氓、强盗手中,所有印度领导人都水准低下,平凡如稻草人。

Derrick Dias (Goa)
INDIA IS NO LONGER THE INDIA OF OLD IT IS NOW JUST ANOTHER BANANA REPUBLIC
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印度不再是古印度,已经成为了另一个香蕉共和国。

HOMIE (Mumbai)
With an impotent corrupt leader ASEAN should not expect anything from this Indians government.
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印度领导人腐败无能,东盟不应对其抱任何期望。

Armecin (India)
The Indian electorate repeatedly keeps sending to parliament weak coalition governments. Indian Opposition leaders are often invited to China, hosted, wined and dined by the Chinese Communist Party. ..They seem to be less loyal than they are expected to be. .. India needs a strong government with 70% seats to unite India and help deserving ASEAN countries.
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印度选民屡次把腐败分子送入议会,削弱了联合政府。反对党领导人经常被邀请到中国,中国gcd美酒佳肴款待….他们似乎对印度没有期望那样忠诚….印度需要一个强势政府,70%的席位应由团结印度人士占据,并向东盟国家提供必要的帮助。

r.k. pillay (Kerala, India.)
When Indian is involved with China or Russia, Indian communist parties put extreme pressure on Indian government to adopt a pro-chinese or pro-Russian policy because they are communist countries. Due to the pressure tactics of CPI, CPIM and other left leaning parties and associations, Indian government can not come in the open and declare what the government feel right and do it rightly. This is a simple fact. This is the same way when Tamils get into problem in Sri Lanka, Tamilians put extreme pressure on Indian government to adopt a pro Tamil stand. When Muslims are attacked in other countries, Muslim parties and organizations want Indian government to adopt a pro Muslim stand.
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印度在与中国或者俄罗斯交往时,印度gcd会出于意识形态的原因而对政府极力施压,以让其支持中国人或者支持俄罗斯人。CPI、CPIM以及其他左倾政党和协会组织的施压策略,导致印度政府无法公开宣布和实施自己认为正确的措施。这是一个简单的事实。以下情况也类似:斯里兰卡的泰米尔人有难,国内的泰米尔人就极力施压政府采取支持泰米尔人的立场;其他国家的msl被攻击,msl政党和组织就会要求政府采取支持msl的立场。

Ravi (Singapore)
It’s funny my colleagues in Malaysia,Indonesia, Thailand and Vietnam were dumbfounded when I told them about this article. India is important but not that important. India is not even the top 10 trading partner with Asean. Why do Indian newspapers always overstate the importance of India in the Asean region while most of Asean barely notice? I said most of Asean because the Philippines is the exception but we all know how dysfunctional Filipino media and politics can be. Vietnam, although having bitter disputes with China have a more rational leadership and media. All the countries in Asean have territorial disputes with each other. Malaysia have territorial disputes with Indonesia, Philippines and both ROC(Taiwan) & PRC. Cambodia have disputes with Thailand & Vietnam. Vietnam have disputes with the 2 China(s) , Philippines, Malaysia & Cambodia. Indonesia have disputes with Malaysia, Papua New Guinea & Australia. Philippines highlights it’s dispute with China although Vietnam and Malaysia occupied most of their claimed islands…we all know the hypocrisy. Having said that, Asean still can get along and move ahead. Despite popular sentiments, rational heads still prevail in Asean. Grow up India.
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有趣地是,我把这篇文章跟同事说了下,他们目瞪口呆。印度是重要,但没有重要到那个程度。印度甚至没有跻身东盟前十大贸易伙伴。大多数东盟国家几乎没有留心,为什么印度报纸总是过度夸大其在东盟地区的重要性?之所以说大多数,是因为菲律宾是个例外。但我们都知道,菲律宾媒体和政治的运作有多么不正常。越南虽然与中国有严重纠纷,但是其领导层和媒体更理智。东盟国家内部也存在领土争议。马来西亚和印尼有领土纠纷,菲律宾和台湾与中国也有,柬埔寨和泰国与越南,越南和中国与台湾、菲律宾、马来西亚和柬埔寨都有领土纠纷,还有印尼和马来西亚,巴布亚新几内亚和澳大利亚等。虽然越南和马来西亚占领菲律宾大多数宣称的岛屿,但菲律宾高调突出其与中国的争议….话虽如此,东盟可以和平相处,携手并进。尽管普遍存在情绪,但理智还是在东盟占上风。印度,成熟点。

Anthony (Melbourne)
India and Asean put together is less than China in economic and military matters. Until recent years, to curry favour with China, Asean like everyone else kept investing in China and under Chinese influence kept India out of East Asia. Asean has never shown any support for India over its territorial problems with China. India is not even a member of the UN Security Council. Asean is expecting too much too soon. India is behind China by 30 years and the gap between India and China is still widening fast. It is time for Asean itself to form itself into a military alliance if it can trust each other to do so. If they can, India and US will have a reliable partner to work with.
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在经济规模和军事力量方面,印度和东盟加起来也没中国大。最近几年,为了讨好中国,东盟步其他人后尘去中国投资,在中国人的影响力之下,印度被排挤出东亚。在中印领土纠纷中,东盟没有对印度提供任何支持。印度甚至不是安理会成员。东盟期望过大,过快。印度落后中国30年,差距还在快速扩大。如果成员国能互相信任,东盟应该组建军事联盟,印度和美国就会有一个可靠的合作伙伴。

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  1. 马南坡的那个人说的很精辟,我还特意看了一遍原文。
    亚州是世界上领土纠纷最多的国家,南海,钓鱼岛,藏南,中国对外理应寸土必争,但在这个大和平的环境,没必要象有的愤子那么夸大。要技巧处理,一点一点的蚕食,增强自己的优势。

    • 兄台,一直在找这种感觉:看了印度人的评论后的感觉,总是无法概括.你这一言,贴切啊.
      总是把国家的发展情况怪罪于某一人身上,或一部分人身上,而从来没有想”我们自己”应该做些什么.

  2. 嘿嘿,三哥要学大哥,重返亚太哈,可美国大哥有本钱,印度人有什么?蹭饭吗?别卡了喉管啊!阿三太搞笑啦—-。

  3. 怎只想抗行中国呢,印度现在又打不过中国。钱又没中国多,不能想想怎么发展自己国家好过了。打不过只有合作,想想怎么合作吧,印度老想打中国,看来你们不单单封闭还是一个愚蠢的国家。看来中国人比你们印度人聪明得多,中国打不过人一直和别的国合作,现在中国有实力别国就想和中国合作,这个都不懂,吃都吃不饱还想打。我真的服了印度国民,真是猪一样的国家。。。。。。。。。。。 :mrgreen:

  4. 印度人再相信你媒体和你们被洗脑的民主,印度会落后中国10000年,快清醒吧印度朋友,不要给美国人利用了,中国会和印度合作的,合作是不存在利用的,只有共赢,各取所需。美国人要的你们钱来卖他们的武器,再也没有什么能帮你们的了,那不是人民想要的,人民要的是能富裕,过更好的生活,不是那些吃不了杀人的高级武器,把卖武器的钱用来建设印度的基本设施才是好的,人民还能得益政客才得民心。卖武器是印度政客用来贪污的借口,快叫你印度佬鬼总理下台,快叫你们那些愚蠢的印度人民快点清醒吧,。。。。。三泰虎

  5. 说美国教印度对抗中国,那是错的。正是印度教美国如何尊重欧洲。
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    我有几个在北非的同学,说那边的人都把自己当欧洲人,每天想的就是怎么移民欧洲,还很不屑撒哈拉以南非洲的黑人。突尼斯摩洛哥什么的,哭着喊着要加入欧盟。这就是做狗做到基因里去了,这样的民族再也没有脊梁了。
    所以看到这句“印度教美国如何尊重欧洲”,我真心笑了。印度啊,你好歹是个南亚国家,你跟欧洲有一毛钱的关系么? :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

      • 北欧的确不错,但基本没啥机会。除此之外我觉得也就德国靠谱了,法国次之,但法国操蛋事太多。其它国家,像欧猪四国什么的,尼玛真心没有国内强的,更别提中东欧那些个屌丝国了。
        你若在国内有份一般的工作,整两个菜喝点儿小酒,绝对比去什么葡萄牙西班牙的强N倍。好好想想吧,覆巢之下无完卵,欧猪自己都要挂了,你还急着去送死?前几天西班牙警察以清剿黑社会的名义,洗劫华商,这是为啥?有福同享,有难自然先拿外国人开刀啊!你就投资去吧。带钱来欢迎,等你想走的时候,一个偷税漏税的帽子就整死你。
        国外的月亮没那么圆。这话我跟N多人说过,个个都不信,我就只有苦笑了……所谓围城,不过如此。
        哥们我其实也只是个过客,做完博士就回国的。说实话,我还是相当看好中国的发展的。即使不谈物质,我心底是个中国人,这儿的文化从本质上是不允许一个中国人走到高处的。而我做不到只低头赚钱,别人骂我我只能装听不见,所以,还是回来痛快! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

    • 从来看不明白的是:印度的这些精英的”自信”是从哪里来的?应该是从原来的宗主国英国那里来的(这不是说笑,就如印度人从来以自己讲英语为傲).

  6. 地中海联盟。地中海周边国家,历史上属于安达卢西亚王朝,阿拉伯帝国扩张期,他们确实算的上一个国家。北非那几个国家,主要是法国的菜。

    至于印度和东盟,你们太把自己当回事了。实际上,中国的精力还没在你们身上。

  7. 印度必胜!我也说一句。
    就这一句,估计印度人会喜欢,其他哪怕你再中肯的批评,也被视为贬低。
    此文评论,看似部分人挺中肯,但是,那种“自大”的感觉是不处不在。
    哪怕印度人批评自己的政府和国家,他们也要为此找个理由:政府不行,领导不行。其潜在意识里,还是那句:如果怎么怎么样,印度必胜!
    唉,没有办法。

  8. 印度其实很自卑,他们知道自己在世界上没有一席之地,所以拼命喊而显示自己的存在,特别是可笑的,中国在世界上有了一席之地,印度人看着就眼红,不舒服!其实清醒的印度人知道落后中国多少年,就是不承认罢了!真实死要面子活受罪!可怜的三哥!可怜的印度国民!

  9. 印度人一个个都是做总统的料。

    非常同意,正因为个个都是总统的料,所以没有人想真正亲自去做事,个个都在指手画脚。

  10. 印度的存在对中国来说是件好事,我们中国现在是在摸着石头过河,他们的成功与失败都可以成为我们的经验,看着印度就可以想象如果我们实行他们的制度我们中国又会变成什么样呢,他们的成功之处我们能不能吸收,他们失败的地方我应该怎样避免等等,。很不错的一个实验国家,这个世界有两个国家对中国来说应该是最重要的,一个是朝鲜,朝鲜的存在可以让我们知道左的路线会发展成什么样,印度的存在可以让我们知道右的路线会发展成什么样。吸收他们好的东西避免他们坏的东西,,中国是幸运的,有两个实验室似的国家作为参考

  11. 幸格这个老头看脸色还不错,应该还能做多20年总理,到那时印度最久最长命总理就会出台。哈哈 :mrgreen: 幸格万岁。。。。。。。。