5th-generation fighter plan hits hurdle as Russia hikes cost
07-16-2013, 12:27 AM
even total development budget of F35/JSF has crossed $1.0 trillion to date, we hope Indo-Russian 5th gen PAK FA also won't face the same result at the end
07-16-2013, 01:04 AM
something tells me it will take dem more 6-8 years to complete dis project
07-16-2013, 01:05 AM
I dont think so it going to be even completed by 2020
07-16-2013, 11:23 AM
this is a disaster really we are wasting money and trusting russians and they are looting us as they did before and there will be another delays in this we really need fighters but guess dont think they will be ready by 2020
07-16-2013, 12:13 PM
All IAF programs are getting into trouble..
MMRCA no end in sight.....
PAKFA seems to be meeting similar fate...
The problem may be with indian negociators beargaining too much ..... Losing precious time,and with passage of time these projects tend to go costly...
India needs to deploy better managers for these programs as the problems sound like managerial than technical...
07-16-2013, 12:53 PM
PARIS: How the F-35 programme is fighting back
By: Dave Majumdar Washington DC
05:25 10 Jun 2013
The Pentagon's tri-service F-35 Joint Strike Fighter is making progress towards completing its developmental phase and entering operational service with the US Air Force, US Navy and US Marine Corps, contractor Lockheed Martin says. The US government watchdog agency, the Government Accountability Office (GAO), agrees that the much delayed and often troubled programme is making headway, in a report released earlier this year.
"The programme met or substantially met most of its key management and development testing objectives for the year," the GAO states in its report, in unusually positive terms. "We also found that the programme made progress in addressing key technical risks, as well as improving software management, manufacturing, and supply processes."
Not even the US Congressional sequestration law has had much of an impact on the $397 billion effort. The USAF still hopes to buy 1,763 jets, while the Department of the Navy (DoN) expects to acquire a total of 680 - of which the USMC will acquire 420 and the USN 260. The exact breakdown of the DoN purchase is in flux, but previously it was expected that 340 short take-off and vertical landing (STOVL) F-35Bs and 340 carrier variant F-35Cs would be built.
07-16-2013, 01:10 PM
The United Kingdom, Italy, Netherlands, Australia, Canada, Norway, Denmark, and Turkey are part of the development program; Israel, Singapore and Japan , Israel:::: Singapore and Japan will also equip their air services with the F-35. The goverments and military of all these has studied the unclassified and classified date on the F35 and decided it is the plane they want for the future. Does any one here really believe Russia and India are going to come with something just as good or better. Especially considering all the evidence to the contrary.
07-16-2013, 02:21 PM
The GAO report is not that positive, it is just that it surprises everybody that there is a little bit of positive statement in it. I have made an analysis of negative points included in this report in my thread : The Flying White Elephant
07-16-2013, 02:51 PM
All of which is old news,once again try and come up with something new.
As for your comment that France does not want the F35, isn't the truth that France cannot afford the F35. The cuts they are making to defence go beyond even those in the UK. Have a nice day.
07-16-2013, 03:53 PM
In fact, F-35 is cheaper than Rafale, and very likely cheaper than T-50 ( FGFA ). In my opinion you should take another thorough consideration.
US, Japan sign deal on first four F-35 fighters
The letter of offer and acceptance, which was signed in Japan, includes four conventional takeoff variants of the F-35 fighter at a cost of 10.2 billion yen (US$128.61 million) each, a slightly higher price than the 9.9 billion yen (US$124.83 million) than Japan initially budgeted to spend.
07-16-2013, 04:44 PM
It is not, when buying a jet fighter one also needs to calculate the overall cost for the 30 years that the jet is gonna be in the service and that is where the price of F-35 goes considerably up compared to the Rafale.
It is not, F-35 has only one engine. Rafale and T-50 have two.
Thanks to the larger orders, spares of F-35 will be cheap, and easy to upgrade, just like F-16 vs. Mirage 2000. The spares of Mirage 2000 are very expensive.
07-16-2013, 09:33 PM
The way I see it the F22 and F35 will replace up to 10 different kinds of US planes, but will cost twice as much as T50 and PAK FA but will have a kill ratio against all other planes including the PAK FA and T50 of more then 50 to one, much like the F15. In addition the F22 and F35 will have much better intergrated support, repair and maintance as well as turn around time then any plane in the world.
F22和F35将取代10多个不同种类的美军飞机，将比T50和PAK FA花两倍还多的费用，但能秒杀其他所有飞机包括PAK FA和T50。此外，F22和F35将有更好的整合支持，以及维修和保养周期比世界上任何一种飞机都好。
07-17-2013, 12:20 AM
Well as much problems as PAK-FA, F-35 and F-22 have i bet you that J-20 probably has more problems than all 3 of those combined.
Keep in mind that J-20 is based on the technology that was acquired by copying or by cyber-espionage, and thy did that copying much before problems of F-35, F-22 and PAK-FA were reviled and so Chines have much harder task of engineering the fixes for those problems because the work is not their originally there fore engineers involved in the project wont be able to fix the problems because of the lack of in-depth knowledge that thy would have if thy did the entire R&D by them self.
So my prognoses on the J-20 is that it is going to be a dud, or it wont have the needed capability's if it goes in to production.
07-19-2013, 04:15 PM
Russian Air Force will induct T-50 by 2015-2016.
J-20 will be inducted in Chinese military after 2018 or somewhere around that
But Indian Air Force FGFA will come only after 2020.
07-19-2013, 05:52 PM
I'd say that full operational capability will be achieved in 2020-2025 for T-50, 2020-2030 for J-20, and 2025-2040 for FGFA.
07-19-2013, 06:12 PM
J-20 still in the testing phase, you cannot approve the plane for Pilots without proper testing, even the US F-22 required the 10 yrs for its development, so you think the chinese can beat this.
07-19-2013, 10:01 PM
A plane is inducted does not mean it is fully operational and ready to bomb whatever target is assigned to it.
A plane is first inducted into Air Force, where it then undergoes AF-supervised trials for many years.
Same applies for PAK-FA as well.
07-19-2013, 06:15 PM
I expect by 2025 manned fighters will be obsolete. United States Navy launches first X-47 robotic drone fighter jet from an aircraft carrier deck | Space, Military and Medicine | News.com.au
They may be used as pack leaders for fighter drones.
There are strike drones already, I doubt if its ten years.