Should India Still Buy Fourth Generation Rafale Fighters To Take On China's Fifth Gen Chengdu J-20?
Harsh Bardhan, studied at Holy Child School,Mohitnagar,Jalpaiguri,W.B.,India (2016)
Fact is that Dassault Rafale though a 4.5 generation can take on stealth aircrafts particularly Chengudu J-20.
A F-22 “Raptor” locked by a Dassault Rafale
Rafale also comes with far more advanced weaponry like Meteor BVRAAM which has a Lock-on After Launch ( LOAL ) feature which gives it a serious advantage over other fighter jets.
Rafale also has well-substantiated stealth capabilities not found in Flankers or other Chinese 4th and 4++ gen fighters ( Many of which are based on Flanker Designs )
The minimal RCS of Rafale, according to Dassault engineer (1/10~1/20 of Mirage-2000's frontal RCS), should be 0.05 to 0.1 m2 class.
Rafale makes extensive use of radar-absorbent material (RAM) in the form of paints and other materials. RAM forms a saw-toothed pattern on the wing and canard trailing edges, for instance. The aircraft is designed to, so that its untreated radar signature is concentrated in a few strong "spikes," which are then suppressed by the selective use of RAM.
Rafale in a true sense is an omnirole fighter. It is able to carry out a very wide range of missions:
ŸAir-defense / air-superiority,
ŸClose air support,
ŸAir-to-ground precision strike / interdiction,
Besides it is now combat-tested too in recent French Air Force Operations also. J-20 is in a low production rate and will be combat-ready only by 2020, the time when India will start receiving Rafale fighters.
With Rafale India will start operating a mix of aircraft. Mig-21 will be replaced by HAL Tejas as the primary interceptor aircraft. Mig-29 will retire by 2035 while Su-30 MKI will continue till the 2050. India is also betting on foreign single-engine fighter jets basically on two contenders : F-16 “Viper” and Saab Jas 39 Gripen-E.
有了“阵风”战机，印度将开始操作多种机型。印度斯坦航空公司的“光辉”战机将取代米格-21，承担主要的拦截任务。米格-29将在2035年退役，而苏-30 MKI将持续服役至2050年。印度还看好两款外国单引擎战斗机：F-16“毒蛇”(Viper)和萨博Jas 39“鹰狮”。
India will also receive PAK FA by 2020 and FGFA customisation will be done by 2025–28 which will be India’s first fifth generation fleet.
印度也将在2020年接收俄罗斯T-50战机PAK FA, 俄印合作为印度定制的五代机将在2025年至28-28年完成，这将是印度第五代机群。
Also India is developing its own fifth generation aircraft by name AMCA with first prototypes to come in 2019 and it will enter service in 2030–35 when the last Migs of IAF will retire.
A model of AMCA at Aero India 2017
Akash Pandey, M.S. Aerodynamics & Aeroacoustics, TU Delft Aerospace Engineering (2020)
We have our own 5th gen fighter to take on the chinese jets. The reason we are buying Rafale is not to take on 5th Gen fighters but to replenish, slightly modernise and diversify our fighter fleet.
They are here to fill in the gap before we get PAK-FA, Tejas and AMCA ( long time before we get that). So these jets will help us maintain a bare minimum fighter squadron strength and also make up for the fast retiring Migs.
The French Rafael is an out-dated fighter jet. Indian go nment just realised it. That’s why India just called for new jet fighters two months after India has signed the Rafael deal for 36 jets.
Apparently India has regretted to have purchased the RAFAEL with each of over US$220 millions, expensive but useless as compared to Russai Su30. India will cry more when India got the France jet 10 years later, the maintainece fees are the same cost as the jet itself, otherwise it will crash like Indian Su30 now.
J20 is the latest, the most advanced 5th generation stealth fighter jet, one of the best in the world. There are only 3 countries capable of manufacturing the world most advanced fighter jets: the U.S., Russia and China. Maybe China is the second country in the world, who has deployed the 5th Generation stealth fighter jet in the world.
J20 is one or more and half generation ahead of Rafael.
Based on Russia military expert: Rafael is just like a mosquitto in front of Russia Su27 and Su30.
Rafale is a light fighter. Rafale was designed to be extremely rugged, to the point, stobar launches don't need any modifications, and arrested landings need a single hook, rafale structure doesn't even need to be touched.
Then comes information fusion cockpit and spectre system/suite. Both are needed by India for research and for development for Tejas future upgrades. It helps that rafale systems were written in same suite as Tejas. Hence Indian deal to get rafales.
Rafale although not a stealth aircraft, it's design had key elements (leading roots, air intake, etc) to reduce RCS.
J-20 is a heavy twin engine, stealth fighter. Designed to penetrate enemy defense systems.
Both are different class and have different mission profiles. None better that other as both have different requirements.
Ashish Bhatt, Research Scholar(phd) at B V Patel Pharmaceutical and Education Research Centre
On paper J-20 is superior fighter than Rafale but as history has tought us ground reality in war is different than what is on paper. So no one can actually say how these two will fare in war or one on one fight.
BUT THE COMPARISON IS NOT FAIR. The reason is that Rafale is 4.5th gen fighter and J20 is 5th gen fighter. J-20 will be front line fighter for china while Rafale is simply to get more number of aircraft. It is specifically to replace old mig bison fleet. In case of war Rafale will be deployed only for specific bombing mission not for dogfight or evading enemy radar to destroy specific target.
India’s Dassault Rafale
Prasenjit Singh Bist, Senior System Analyst at IBM Global Business Services
J-20 ???? Are u insane to compare china crap with rafale.
歼- 20 ? ? ? ?拿中国的垃圾战机和“阵风”相比，你疯了吗?
Alex Bi, studied at RMIT University
R u crazy man, compare 5 generation fighter to 4.5 generation? American air force tell the exchange ration is 144:1
J-20 comes with PL-15 missiles, which has 400km range. Rafael comes with 150km Meteor missile. J-20 is low observable, one generation ahead.