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西方专家如何看印度“光辉”战机和中国“歼-20”?“光辉”能打败“歼-20”吗?

How do Western defense experts view India's Tejas fighter compared to Chinese J-20 fighter?

Can the Indian LCA-TEJAS beat the Chinese J-20?

西方国防专家如何看印度的“光辉”战机和中国的“歼-20”战机?

印度的轻型战斗机“光辉”能打败中国的“歼-20”吗?

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Anil Bakshi, CPL, Aviation,Tourism, Hotels & Mangt. Consultant (1988-present)

I agree with most contributors. While it is great to have national pride, one should face facts squarely.

我同意大多数人的观点。有民族自豪感固然好,但也要正视事实。

The Tejas, at present, is an unproven 4th Generation Fighter. It still has a long way to go before being integrated into the IAF. Any New Type in Any Airforce takes time to get into the groove, and, regrettably some never do, the HF 24 is a classic example. So let us wait and see. The Tejas Mark II seems a good aircraft, on paper at least, even if a trifle under-powered. One sincerely hopes, for the sake of the Indian Air Force , that it succeeds as the last of the MIG 21 BIS squadrons are long past retirement.

目前,“光辉”是一款未经验证的第四代战斗机。在被纳入印度空军之前,它还有很长的路要走。任何新型战机都需要时间才能进入最佳状态,遗憾的是,有些战机从未进入最佳状态,HF 24就是一个典型的例子。所以我们还是拭目以待吧。至少从理论上看,“光辉”Mark II似乎是一架不错的战机,尽管动力有点不足。人们真诚地希望,为了印度空军着想,它能成功,米格-21中队早就该退役了。

The Chinese J 20 Fighter, on the other hand, is an Unproven 5th generation Fighter. It will have to Fly The Same Route into the PLAF as the Tejas would, and that, too, would take time.

另一方面,中国歼-20战斗机是一种未经验证的第五代战斗机。也需要时间才能进入中国空军服役。

On on paper and specifications, the J 20 seems more than a match for the Tejas Mark II but all such theorising is in the realms of speculation. The chances are, even money, that the two types will never meet and/or tangle in an Aerial Battlefield. Moreover, it has been proven time and again, that at he end of the day, it is the ‘Man Behind the Gun’ or the Aircraft which gets the First Drop and Fires First on The Opponent, often wins the day.

在规格上,歼-20似乎比“光辉”Mark II更胜一筹,但所有这些都是理论上的推测。很有可能这两款战机永远不会在空中战场上相遇或交战。此外,事实已经一次又一次地证明,先向对手开火的往往会赢得胜利。

 

 

Abhishek Pratap, An expert in fighter jets, missiles and other weapons.

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You will be disappointed to know, but no one compares Tejas- a 4th generation light fighter jet to J-20 -a 5th genaration fighter jet. Tejas is a good initiative and will help India in developing fighter jets in future but it cant be compared even with the best 4th generation jets like eurofighter, rafale and sukhoi. It can be compared with JF-17 thunder jointly developed by china and pakistan(only god knows what pakistan has contributed :p ). But J-20 is way ahead of tejas in all aspects. I dont even feel the need to compare their stats.

P.S.- Dont hate me. I am not anti-tejas

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让你失望的是,没有人会拿第4代轻型战斗机“光辉”与 5代战斗机“歼-20”相比。“光辉”将帮助印度研发战斗机,但它不能与最好的第四代战斗机,如欧洲战斗机,阵风和苏霍伊相比。可以和中国与巴基斯坦联合开发的JF-17雷电(枭龙)相比(天知道巴基斯坦在这个过程中做了什么贡献)。但是歼-20在各个方面都远远领先于“光辉”。我甚至觉得没有必要比较他们的规格。

别记恨我,我并不排斥“光辉”。

 

D Paul, works at Texas Instruments

In a line, the Tejas or the J20 is nowhere on the table of Western/ Eastern/Northern defence experts because they are not in that league yet.. The experts have an elite veteran crowd on the table to deal with. Now the Tejas— ( No place for misplaced pride and hoopla) is still a flying platform at this point and has still distance to cover before such discussions can open. Tejas needs real time evaluation- combat evaluation. Because—

总的来说,“光辉”或“歼-20”根本不在各国国防专家的讨论桌上,它们还不够格。专家们要讨论的是一群经验丰富的精英。目前,“光辉”仍然是一个飞行平台,还有很长的路要走。“光辉”需要实时评估-战斗评估。因为:

ŸIt’s not yet battle tested simply because its just not battle ready !

ŸWeapons & real combat effectiveness- Yet to be put on test.

ŸSmall combat radius puts a huge question mark on its operational effectiveness.

它还没有经过实战测试,还没有做好战斗准备!

武器和真正的战斗力-还有待测试。

作战半径小给它的作战效能打上了一个巨大的问号。

There is this new found wave of pseudo nationalism which tends to ignore hardcore facts for emotions. That doesn’t help the cause in real time. If the Tejas was ‘the ultimate thing’ in combat aviation as many wish to portray, then it should have been 100% operational years ago and maybe sold to friendly nations by now. Noo…. Still a long way to go. Long enough for the IAF to look for options. Seems by the time Tejas ( best in its class- some say) is ready, there will be 7th generation aircrafts doing the rounds.

如果“光辉”是许多人期望的战斗机的“终极产品”,那么它应该在几年前就已经100%投入使用,现在可能已经卖给了友国。实际上却没有,还有很长的路要走,印度空军等不了的。当“光辉”准备好了,可能有第七代战机在巡逻了。

NO wonder the IAF itself is apprehensive about the Tejas ( induction time frame) and feel the need to induct Fighter jets from other countries to keep up the numbers and effectiveness of the Air Force. And that’s open data from CAG reports. I hear of recent, the authorities have again cleared the IAF’s request for single engine fighter acquisition as of Jan 2018. So no. the IAF itself is not depending on the Tejas until it comes out firing on all cylinders.

难怪印度空军自己都对“光辉”(引进时间框架)感到担忧,觉得有必要从其他国家引进战斗机,以保持一定的战斗机数量。我最近听说,印度政府再次批准了印度空军截止2018年1月采购单引擎战斗机的请求。所以印度空军本身并不依赖于“光辉”。

 

E Anand, B E from B.E Automobile Engineering (2016)

According to defense expert they can just assume the the capabilities of both plane from online sources only.

So Wait till war for real comparison .

But don't expect war as whole world economy is rising and war will leads to extinct of peoples and of growth.

据防务专家说,他们只能从网上信息来推测这两款战机的性能。

等到战争爆发后,才能看出谁更厉害

但不要期待战争,全球经济正在崛起,战争将带来毁灭,导致经济增长停滞。

 

Kai Tang

It is like comparing a Toyota with a Ferrari.

这就好比拿丰田和法拉利进行比较。

 

Radhakrishna Sastry, works at Hindustan Aeronautics Limited

Don't compare apples and oranges.

Even if you're comparing amongst apples, experts take a side and talk all positive about the apple they favor.

不要拿风马牛不相及的东西作比较。

即使你拿同类做比较,专家们也会有不同的喜好,对他们喜欢的给出积极的评价。

 

Usman Mohiuddin

Tejas is going through trial .It is not properly inducted in Indian air force .A few days ago ,Indian air force has said that Tejas is not capable to protect Indian skies so therefore we are looking for a new single engine medium weight fighter like F-16 or Gripen which are superior in their class.

J-20 is a fifth generation stealth fighter .So there are no comparison between a fifth generation fighter and a fourth generation fighter .Also j-20 has a long Range Radar and sets of missiles like Pl-15 which can shoot down enemy aircraft as much as 300 km away.

“光辉”正处于测试阶段,还不适合引入印度空军。几天前,印度空军表示,“光辉”还保护不了印度领空。所以我们正在寻找一款新单引擎中型战斗机,F- 16或鹰狮是上上之选。

歼-20是第五代隐形战机,第五代战机和第四代战机是没有可比性的,而且歼-20配备远程雷达和霹雳-15等导弹,可以击落300公里外的敌机。

 

India Defence News, Editor at India Defence News

Both Indian LCA Tejas and Chinese J20 are in totally different category aircraft. The LCA Tejas is light combat aircraft of 4th generation whereas the J20 is a Chinese 5th generation aircraft with stealth technology. And therefore, It may not be fair comparison .

It would be worth mentioning here that although J20 is claimed to be a 5th generation stealth place and IAF Su 30MKI could track this place radar signature easily. In the event of any potential conflict J20 will have to face Indian Rafale with Meteor BVR missiles with no escape zone with 250 KM range .

The J20 plane is fully operational aircraft already inducted into the Chinese airforce whereas LCA Tejas is still in development stage and expected to get Final Operational Clearance ( FOC ) by December 2018 . Although HAL has started production for 40 Tejas with IOC standard.

However , the Tejas Mark 1A with major improvements suggested by IAF which includes AESA radar , BVR missile capability, Mid-air refuelling, glass cockpit, new electronic warfare suit and other sophisticated systems will make Tejas 1A a formidable opponent and a force to reckon.

The nest version of Tejas being design will be a completely different combat plane in medium combat aircraft category. The MCA Tejas Mark 2 will have far more capabilities which are currently being worked out

印度的轻型战机“光辉”和中国的歼-20属于完全不同级别的战机。“光辉”是第四代轻型战斗机,而歼-20是中国第五代隐形战机。因此,这种比较可能是不公平的。

值得一提的是,虽然歼-20被认为是第五代隐身战机,但印度空军苏-30MKI可以很容易地跟踪其雷达信号。如果发生任何潜在冲突,歼-20将不得不面对印度“阵风”与超视距作战空对空导弹,250公里射程,没有逃逸区。

歼-20已经进入中国空军服役,而“光辉”仍处于研发阶段,预计在2018年12月获得最终的作战许可(FOC)。尽管印度斯坦航空公司已经开始生产40台符合IOC标准的“光辉”战机。

然而,印度空军建议对“光辉”Mark 1A进行重大改进,包括AESA雷达、BVR导弹能力、空中加油、玻璃座舱、新型电子战服和其他先进系统,这将使“光辉” 1A成为一个强大的对手和一支不可估量的力量。

“光辉”的下一代设计将是一种完全不同的中型战斗机。“光辉”Mark 2将拥有更多目前正在开发的功能。

 

Bhuvan Ganguly, works at Slk Software

The light combat aircraft is a single engine fourth generation aircraft, which was primarily built to replace the agieng fleet of Mig which are the work horse of the Indian airforce for decades built on the legacy hydraulic technology with no fly by wire systems, the LCA is not a stealth fighter like J20, J20 can be compared to stealth fighters like the F-35.

But the fighters are ment for different purposes and might be good in their own roles.however both of them have not been combat tested yet.

轻型战斗机“光辉”是单引擎第四代战机机,主要是用来取代米格战斗机群,后者是印度空军几十年来的主力,建立在传统液压技术的基础上,没有飞线系统。“光辉”不是隐形战斗机,而歼-20可以和隐形战机F - 35相提并论。

但是每种战机都有不同的定位,可能在他们定位的角色上表现得很好。然而,这两款战机都还没有经过实战测试。

 

Manchuvaru Reddy, Business (2017-present)

Definitely TEJAS mark II can beat if certain upgradation, specifications, modifications & latest technology is used.

CHINESE J-20 fighter, is not fallen from heaven definitely not. They have manufactured with lot of trial & errors and of course it's the end result of reverse engineering.

如果经过某些升级并使用最新技术,印度“光辉”mark II战机毫无疑问可以击败对手。

中国的歼-20战机,绝对不是从天而降的,它们经历了大量的试验和失误,当然它也靠逆向工程造出来的

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