Are you willing to ride a Chinese-made plane and high-speed rail?
Linda van den Berg, Brabant, Netherlands, Europe, Earth, Milky Way, Universe
Who gives a damn where it is designed and manufactured, as long as it complies with safety legislations, is eco-friendly, no humans were abused while manufacturing it and it is affordable?
Spencer Wynn, Photographer | Educator | Visual Journalist
Of course! I have been a passenger on many Chinese planes and trains and find them to be as modern, reliable and safe as any I have ridden in in the west!
James Moe, Locomotive Engineer Union Pacific & previously Soo Line R.R.
I would have no problem with using aircraft or trains built in China, from what I've seen in recent years, China has made leaps and bounds in technology, and the few Chinese people I have interacted with in the past are disciplined with a good work ethic, so when tasked with building modern transportation, I feel they would do a good job.
Roland Mutero, works at Paramount Pictures
When American company Boeing would not supply us with spare parts for our tried and tested 737–200s back in the early 2000s because we took our land from the Whites, we bought Chinese made Xian MA60 turbo pro air craft.
千禧年初期，因为我们从白人手里抢夺了市场，美国波音公司不肯为我们可靠的737 - 200飞机提供备件，所以我们购买了中国制造的Xian MA60 涡轮箴飞机。
In order to get many orders the Chinese were offering one for free if you buy 2 and Zimbabwe got three 11 years ago and they are still flying except one that collided with Warthogs on take off in 2009 so yes i would fly in a Chinese made plane because anything made by man is bound to fail
Anthony Dixon, Retired
I may avoid cheaply priced garments out sporting equipment made in China. However, I'd have no hesitation riding a complex product such as an airplane or bullet train. China has a huge, highly developed manufacturing and technology sector. No worries.
Don Schultz, former Management Position
In my travels I have rode on Chinese made cars,motorcycles,Buses,Ships and even bicycles plus many different rail systems including subway cars in Shenzen,Canton and Shanghai also nearly at 300mph train in Shanghai all without incident!
Have yet to ride on a Chinese made Plane,but I would and also bet both Boeing and Airbus are made with numerous Chinese parts.
Ka Basha, has been reading weibo to know about China directly
No problem. China is a world leader in transportation now and the accident rate of Chinese bullet trains is pretty low. You know they're well-built when the UK bought it.
I've always liked Chinese products, they look better than other brands like Korean ones :p
What wasnt made in China these days? Regardless of your personal agenda with them, boycotting chinese products entirely can be a big challenge for most people.
Me, I dont care. I dont have more faith in non-Chinese anymore than I have with the Chinese. Humans are humans afterall.
China is going to be the next Japan in this regard.
Back in the 1950s Japanese goods were thought of as shoddy in quality. By the 1980s they were far ahead of others. My fully Japanese built Yamaha looks and rides like new after 30 years even today. Their manufacturing is legendary.
Chinese products too were thought of as shoddy a couple of decades back. Today, Chinese smart phones provide the latest technology at a fraction of the price and they are swamping their competition.
The top brands in the world get their stuff made in China (iPhone anyone?). Of course, due to co ption, if a particular project is built in a sub-standard way, how does that make every product from China substandard?
Btw, haven’t US and European planes crashed? So, did we refuse to fly a 747 or an Airbus after that?
James Bond, Master Project Management, University of Sydney
I presume you are concerning about the safety point of view. So I will approach it from this angle. Not too sure are you aware, manufacturing a product and operating a product can resolve in different end result.
You may or may not have been aware, China made a lot of railway carriages and engines for the world markets. And many different operators around the world uses the trains manufactured in China. The products are usually of very high standard as many countries have very stringent public transport and safety standards. This translate to design and manufacturing standards as well. So a rail operator will need to ensure they are buying the best quality (i.e. most safe, reliable, ease of maintenance) with the money available. So in short, the product that China produce will have to meet the operating country’s standard, and if the trains are procured through proper evaluation, then you can assume that the trains that are made in China are as good as any other manufacturers from other countries.
However, you may have the issue with the operators. The operators who order the products may not be at the standard of being able to operate as accordance to the manufacturer’s instructions or even to the standards required to be safe. Even if they can, there are still operating errors, maintenance inadequacy, other environmental issues that make the train to become “unsafe”.
Just like most cars on the market, if the car is operated by a drunk and resulted in an accident, it is not the manufacturer who is at fault, it is the driver.
William Regan, I've been living in China for seven years.
I often ride their high speed trains. No problems — only the occasional delay. They’re comfortable, offer a smooth ride, and can even be quicker than airplanes (1. There are many flight delays in China. 2. It takes an hour to get to the airport while only 15–30 minutes to get to the railway station. 3. No need to worry about getting there an hour early for check in)
For airplanes, I’m already a little picky about the ones I take. I like to take planes that maximize leg space (for economy… or “economy plus”). Overall, I’m more selective about non-stop vs. layover flights. I like to spend as little time as I can flying — since its such a tiring and draining experience for me.
Overall, I’d trust their planes because the accepted failure rate must be extremely low — and the liability and risk are so high. If one of those planes crashes within the first few months of its debut, most people will avoid them. I wouldn’t trust some small factory owner with product quality — but I trust this kind of massive undertaking to have much more vetting and QA.
Samit Basu, you are wrong and you didn’t check the fact before you post on QUORA. China’s high speed trains are not only operating in China, China has built one in Turkey, one in Europe, two in Southeast Aisa. China’s C919 big airplanes got more than 500 orders, many from foreign countries . China H.S.T. run more than hundred thousand times, only had one accident . How you can say it’s not safe ??????
Samit Basu, former Unemployed
You will not see Chinese planes outside of China. You will also not see Chinese bullet trains often outside of China.
Chinese bullet trains cannot be sold in Europe and in the US for their inability to meet the US and European crash standard. Yes, there is such thing as a train crash standard that Chinese aren’t familiar with because they don’t exist in China, so current Chinese domestic market trains cannot be exported as is and new export-only bullet train models must be developed which cannot compete against European and Korean bullet trains whose domestic market models already comply with Europe/US crash standards.
Train Crash Standards of various worlds.
EU : UIC
US : FRA Tier III. This is UIC + Impact Energy Absorber.
美国:FRA Tier III。这是UIC +冲击能量吸收器。
Korea : Korea Standard. UIC + Impact Energy Absorber. Very similar to FRA Tier III, but predates it.
韩国:韩国标准。UIC +冲击能量吸收器。非常类似于FRA Tier III，但在此之前。
Japan : No Train Crash Standard. Crash prevention only strategy.
China : No Train Crash Standard. Crash prevention only strategy.
As for Chinese airliner, the C919 lacks US FAA and EU EASA certifications, and the C919 cannot apply for them at this stage because the certification process from the beginning of design process. COMAC’s plan is that they would apply FAA and EASA certifications on second remake version of C919 8 years down the road, but there is no assurance that those will go smoothly. Additionally, by the time the FAA certification work on the C919 begins, the next generation 737 and A320 replacements from Boeing and Airbus are set to roll out, making the C919 obsolete and uncompetitive against them.
Therefore it is highly unlikely you will see Chinese airliners outside of China, and that’s OK with China because China has a huge demand for airliners flying domestic routes, and making C919 fly domestic routes only is more than enough to recover their cost and turn a profit.
Chinese bullet train is another matter. While Chinese bullet trains cannot be sold in countries with crash standard, they can be sold in countries without crash standards, such as most third world countries, and China can sell its bullet train as a package with railway to third world countries on cheap state-backed developed loans.
Mike Elyon, UNSW CSE 2018
What’s wrong with a Chinese-made plane or high-speed train anyways?
As long as the plane or train is certified for safe operations, a Chinese-made vehicle is no more dangerous than an American or European one. In fact, there was only one major accident in the entire history of Chinese high-speed railway.
The days of “made in China products are fake and unsafe” are long gone.
Allen Ng, worked at Many Places in USA
Yes, I’ve taken the high speed train many times traveling in China. I hope you can also travel on this high speed system too so you could write a good posting of it. The very modern high speed trains are right on time schedule, very clean and very comfortable. In fact, I can say for sure, it is much more comfortable than taking an airplane here in the US; much much more comfortable. The seats are clean, wide and have room to stretch out your legs. You could walk the aisles without having to worry about the pilot telling you to sit and strap on your seat belt. There are snacks and food (including hot noodles) for sale at a snack bar so you don’t have to be hungry like on flying US airplanes. The snacks are cheap and much much better than the expensive piece of crap snacks offered on US airlines.
The speeds of these high speed trains are fast running at 300 KPH, fast enough to get to your destination quickly but also allowing you to enjoy the countryside scenery. I highly recommend all tourist traveling in China to use the high speed trains. It is cheaper than taking a plane to your destination. It allows much more comfort. It allows one to enjoy the sceneries of the countryside and see all the rivers and lakes along the way. Generally in tourist travels, one flies into a city, take a taxi to a hotel, and tour city destinations. A tourist generally miss out completely the charms and wonderful natural sceneries of the countryside. A high speed train can offer so much more, especially if you are not one of the corporate traveler that must meet meeting deadlines every hour of the day. Yes, I have traveled on high speed trains in different regions of China (south, north, and northeast) in summer and in the deep freeze of winter. I highly recommend you and all travelers to utilize this undiscovered treasure. I have not read too much from western foreign travelers on high speed trains, and generally most all the passengers have been Chinese. In fact, I cannot recall any foreign whites or foreign south asians on all the high speed trains I have been on. The high speed trains will continue to be my chosen mode of transportation in China and I highly recommend it to all. You will not be sorry to experience this mode of transportation in China.
I just have to say this negative thing about some of the negative postings and questioners here in Quora. They tend to come from some of the most ignorant hateful people on this earth who probably never even set foot on a Chinese high speed train, yet profess to know everything about everything.
My first hybrid bike was a Schwinn Criss Cross, early 90’s, Chinese made. I think it was a better bike than the few years newer made in USA Trek Tracklight I ride now, it just had the “girl” (step-through) frame. I still regret selling it though. I’d imagine they probably make a pretty decent plane as well. As for HSR, why doesn’t Murika have one that would be the envy of the world?
我的第一辆全地形自行车是90年代早期中国制造的Schwinn Criss Cross,。我认为这比我现在骑的几年后买的美国产的Trek Tracklight车，它只有“女孩式”(跨步)框架。我到现在还后悔把它卖掉了。我想他们也能造出相当不错的飞机。至于高铁，为什么Murika没有让全世界羡慕的高铁呢?
Kev Bugh, Been to Bejing, Shanghai, Hanzhou, Suzhou, Shenzhen, Macau, and Hong Kong.
I once rode a high speed bullet train in Shanghai, totally made in China. Back in 2013, it was one of the fastest trains in the world, if not the fastest. The ride was smooth and the cabin was quiet. There’s no sense that it would fall apart, so I’m totally feel safe. Note that although China is stereotyped for making low quality, unreliable products, this is not always the case. Higher profile companies are usually very courteous about the quality of their product. A bad reputation can bring down the company to bankruptcy, especially niche companies like bullet train manufacturers.
As for planes, I’m still worried about its reliability. It’ll take time for me to find out how safe they are. But for now, no thanks.