Should the North Eastern states of India try to secede from India, and try to join China?
Quora User, tap-typo"er
That's like saying : should Greece secede from E.U. and join India because they both have dark hair and common paternal lineage and India's economy is growing faster. The Nagas have been Indian for thousands of years and never Chinese. Genetically and historically they are more of a mixture of Thai, Tibettan and other Indian people than the Han. The Han just learnt a lot from the Thai, not the other way around.
Soumitra Paul, I am from North East India
Would you sign an emancipation document to leave your parents, if they were financially not well-to do, for richer parents so that you can build your career?
Hence, I find these suggestions naive and ridiculous to say the least.
I come from the North-Eastern part of India. I know very well what is going on there, so you need not blow things out of proportion for me. Do you have the slightest idea if the Army were not there in NE, how many people would have been slaughtered to death?
Yes, I agree human rights violations have happened. Given a choice what would you opt for- violation of human rights or deaths of thousands of people to terrorism?
As far as progress is concerned, have you heard of Bihar or Orissa? Have you been there? I have. There is no need to act the sole victim here. NE is not the step child of mother India. It just so happens, the the number of constituencies in NE are politically not motivating enough for politicians to consider appeasing the people of NE as they do in places like UP or Maharashtra. Even then look at UP. Apart from development in NCR, what else is there to speak of in UP. It is plagued with dirty politics, murder, corruption. There is problem everywhere in India. Which doesn't mean we give up in our country. In our people.
India is a young country. With incompetent and corrupt politicians. That doesn't mean we do not have a future. Even NE has a bright future. We have to work for it. If citizens work hard, however bad the government be, things will change for good. Look at the Marwari community. They couldn't be farmers because they didn't have fertile land. What did they do? They spread out. Even in the NE, I suspect 50-60% of the small, medium and big business are run by them which employ lacs of people. If the people of NE rise up, work hard, start business, there is no way NE would be left out of the development.
Lastly, I would end by quoting JFK, "Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country."
We the people of north east like Karbi,bodo,dimasa,Naga etc. want to in China...
Mizo actually was Mizhou (people of Zhou).They had the history that once after the fall of Zhou dynasty.The people of Zhou became slaves.Some escaped through the Great Wall.People who call themselves as mizo are one of them.
Spike Yang, Engineer.
I read the comments. But you forgot to mention India's Caste system, the exact evidence of racial discrimination, China dont have. If manipur young people went to Guang Zhou for study, They will never be beaten to death like what happened in new Dehli.
Joemiwang Thongam, works at Students
yes! NE should secede from india, and joining china is not a problem on my view because china is future super power and a super power can do anything. korea , japan are also under USA, so we also can be under china what,s the problem? instead of living with beggar and treating us like 3rd class, it would have been much better to live under a super power
Who has ever voluntarily "joined" China?
Sutirtha Roy, " Na Aastik, Na Nastik, I'm Sarcastic. "
Do you think Chinese are happy in China!!!
what the hell... i am fail to understand...why u guys talking about these silly question....i want to salute the person...who arise with this kind of stupid question....he/she must be never been to north east region of our country
north east is the part of India..and it is one of the most precious and decorous place in this universe.... like we say its a paradise that is unexplored and off course its in the heart of India.
Sunny Mazumder, Introvert | coder | biker
Simos, studied at University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
It is ridiculous to join China to enjoy our prosperity, just like Western Europeans do not want anyone to join them~
As far as I know, only two states in NE are radically different from rest of India - Sikkim and Arunachal Pradesh.
People from other states have nothing in common with the Chinese people. So, joining China is out of the question.
People there might have mongloid features but that doesn't mean they like China more than India. Its true that they might not feel Indian, but that doesn't necessarily translate to calls for independence.
I don't believe in nationalism and shit, so if they seriously wanted independence, then I think they should have it. But I am not aware of any such movements. (may be someone from NE can shed a light regarding this)
Let people living there decide what they want, and stop spreading false propanganda
we (MEETEI or MEIETEI) originated from china but now we are fighting against india...coz they put gun on our KING's head letting to join to india but now no benefits to joined here... only discrimination n challenge they dont know how cruel we are....
Ravi Teja Karri
Why to join any other nations?? Forming an Independent nation could be better having more territory larger than many european nations... can form own government,own laws..
not China but Independent….why would we join China ?
I am a Chinese, I think you should be independent, not to join China, the Chinese people do not want you to join, but you are a big burden.
Abhishek Korada, worked at Tata Consultancy Services
The question itself is wrong...
North east is part of india and the people will be indians. The same with kashmir. If people really want to seperate there are ways to do that constitutionally.. Like referrandum etc.
Tushar A. Katira, Someone out there is looking after India
Just see how it has worked out for Tibetans.
It would be literally from the frying pan into fiery self immolations.
It is Delhi with all its politicians that needs to secede from India and all will be well for the rest of India.
Yes should because India is developing the western states.
And if the north eastern states join china then they will develop and will have higher standard of living. And most of the north eastern indians looks like chinese
Satish Pitchikala, I think, therefore I am
I'm not sure if NE states have to join China, But I think they have every right to secede from India. Let's be honest, India never cared for this region. with hardly 1-2 MP seats in Indian parliament from each state, these states are not favored by any Union government.
Some random SMS have made thousands of NE Indians run away from Indian cities. That is how secure they feel in India. I support them if they want to have their own country. We don't have a right to say NO
Thats complete Bullcrap! India forced itself ,raped Sikkhim, Manipur and Assam and the whole Eastern India. Sikkhim was made part of India through invasion, Manipur in coercion and under duress! Its as legitimate as Israel in Palestine. Whoever wants to secede is their own business
It is unconscionable to deny a people freedom. Or should I yak about the Human Rights abuse of Calcutta Chinese as well ! So stop being a hypocrite, if they want to leave and join whoever or be their own state. It is their own business!
Aditya Buragohain, B. Com from Sonari Commerce College
From my point of view, joining China isn't the solution. But "Independence" from India, well it's a different matter altogether. Yes we north east Indians have been victims of divide and rule policy since British rule till date. That's why it's becoming quite challenging for north east Indians to achieve their common goal. History tells us how strong the north east Indians were when they used to fight with enemies side by side. So if north east Indians wants what's rightfully theirs, then they ought to learn to fight "together".
Join Singapore instead. Better managed, they could really use more territory and some cool hill stations, and they speak English.
Saquib Rajvi Ahmed, Technical Support Executive (2017-present)
North East have been integrated through numerous treaties eg: Treaty of Yandaboo etc. We was a region of self autonomous rule before the advent of british imperialism. Is is nt just about NE. The whole defination of India/Hindustan was established by british. North East woud always like to a part of India, provided there is no special tratment melt out the region. NO government for the past 60-70 yeras ever tried to assimilate the region. We are definately different from out mainstream brethen. Folks, Just think what's the defination of India?
Anirudh Duggal, <><read
It depends more on the way we perceive our nation. India has been a conglomerate of cultures and people. Instead of blaming the nation, blame the people.
If we do not consider living in dignity in our nation how can we expect other nation to treat us not "discriminated"?
Gabriel Chan, Overseas Chinese（華僑）
Other than South Tibet (most of Arunachal Pradesh), China doesn't want these places or people, and never had historical claim to them
No. I'm not sure why people think China would just accept anyone who wants to join China. One, people of NE India aren't Chinese and never have been. Why would it want to voluntarily bring in a huge non-Chinese population into the country? Two, NE India is poor. China would have to allocate resources to provide for the people there and to develop the area. There are other areas that need the money more. China doesn't have unlimited money, contrary to popular perceptions. India should develop NE India and people of NE India should develop themselves.
health, education, food and shelter. These are most important things in life. Indian government is doing a great job providing these basic needs to the people of northeast. If northeast people want to be developed they should start something to help their own states,I think most of them are more than capable of doing that. As far as India is concerned growth is slowing and inflation remains high most Indians are jobs seeker rather than jobs creator, oh and about population there are so many Bangladeshi ,Nepalese , Burmese illegal immigrants to northeast india especially assam tripura, and meghalaya.
Daniel Murala, studied at National Institute of Technology, Warangal
I'm staying in North-East since an year, to be precise in Arunachal Pradesh, the Indian state of Chinese interest.
People here are very much Indian and are proud to be Indians, they are not interested in joining any other country.
If some insensitive rouges call them names that doesn't mean every person in the rest of India does that.
They are free spirited and don't like to be dominated by someone hence Chinese autocratic attitude won't suite them.
Pace at which development activities are taken up by govt cannot be appreciated, terrain and environment are also challenging.
Armed forces in this region are a need both for development of the states and strategical puposes, unfortunately demonized by TRP craving media.
Human Rights violations is very high in China, stands next to USA.
I don't downplay chinese development over last 15 years but I would like you to see beyond Bejing and other prominent places.
Keisham Cw, From imphal, Manipur
Being from manipur. I would only like to point out one thing.
If the northeastern part of india were to secede. And form a new nation.
Looking at the present scenario, civil war between various ethnic groups will surely ensue.
Contrary to popular belief, the northeast is not a dynamically integrated singular entity (why do you think there are so many states in such a small area. before 1947, there was only assam province, kingdom of manipur and kingdom of tripura).
Clement Lallianmawia, Software Engineer
I'm from Mizoram and my answer is,
WE ARE NOT CHINESE!
And we became Indians from 20 February 1987.
(I hope you know what I mean)
We were (umm.. how to put it), subjugated and forced to become Indians. (It's a long story, better forget the past)
Originally, our ancestors were living in Burma, who later migrated to this present location called Mizoram. Even today, thousands of Mizos are still living in Burma(now Myanmar).
There are some theories which suggest that we were -
Chinese slaves who escaped from the Great Wall of China and came to Burma
One of the lost tribes of Israel, possibly Ephraim.
In short, we are neither Chinese nor Indian and not even Burmese. We came out of nowhere. :)
However, none of these matter for now. All that we know now is that we are Mizo and now we are a part of India. We are not idiots who will still fight for freedom from Indian government.
Shngain Lang, Khasi Native from Meghalaya
For a thought I won't mind. Clearly we have always maintain our identity and independence before the British came.
Since we had governed by ourselves then why not now?
There were great kingdoms like the Ahoms, Jaintia kingdom and Manipur which were advance during that period.
Seceding itself will have some problem only in the initial stage but once we get our shit done like infrastructure, FDI, IT, and competitive bureaucracy we will slowly and surely managed.
Smaller countries and nation states managed very well and are very much has lesser problems.
And NE wont be NE, it will split into 8-10 independent nations each having its own identity and sovereignty.
What will happen to India?
Well it does not need to bother about China and China too as it will create a buffer( China in no way is interested in NE, it has its interest only on Arunachal and if it wants it would have taken long back in 1962).
Where will these new states see themselves?
Regionally they will cooperate with SE Asia region and will be a part of ASEAN rather than SAARC because of geography and the culture.
I'm answering base on the assumption nature of the question.
Whether NE remain in the Indian Union or get freedom, it doesn't matter to me but I know that if we do we won't be poor, we have all the potential.
Well I think my answer is quite different from the rest but this is what the question tried to imply what if, if it happens. If it happens it will be great and if its not it will be ok.
Maps and countries changed every few hundred years so who knows what events will unfold.
Mayur Ahir, Hacker, Hustler & Human
Separating from united country on the grounds of discrimination (racial, political, geographical) is foolish. At least in India, we are highly diverse country just look at people/tribes from North, East, South, West and those Islands in Indian Ocean. Not only that but within those regions there are divisions as well.
It is a question that most people from the North East have thought about. Even the most global liberal minds have at some point thought about it. It is not a question that can be answered by mere rhetorical emotional verbal diarrhea.
Firstly the suggestion of joining China is a little far fetched. This is evident as only two states in the North East have any linguistic or cultural ties with China.
Secondly in the historical context, most of the North East joined India out of coercion or conquest. Tripura was the only Kingdom to join willingly, yet the indigenous people of Tripura have been reduced to a minority in their own land by a majority population that has little respect for the indigenous traditions.
Balaji Viswanathan, Knowledge lover.
A secession will not happen and will not succeed because:
The biggest bone of contention in NE is the goal of autonomy for the tribes. The nature of Indian democracy means, the North East Tribes have some degree of autonomy and the ability to choose their leaders. In China, they would have none of that autonomy.
North-east Indians share a lot of characteristics with Tibetans
North-east Indians are not one homogeneous group. There are 100s of tribal groups and there are frequently clashes among each other due to historic issues. Thus, there would be lesser agreement to split as a single group.
The status of minorities in China is not much better than those in India. It is quite likely that the North East Indians would face far greater discrimination in China than they currently experience in India.
中国 的待遇，并没有比印度 的待遇好多少。
Almost all North east Indians practice some religion or the other (mostly Hinduism, Buddhism and animism) and all of these will come under severe strain under an anti-religious China. In China, there is a lesser respect for cultural diversity than for economic development.
Tribes like Nagas or Bodos have always resisted the occupation of any outsider and will continue to fight Chinese if they choose to take that region. Why would China buy India's headache?
Oh and finally, Indian union will fight tooth and nail for every inch of the territory. In 1962 with a weak army, India fought hard for the barren Aksai Chin in Ladakh. It is quite likely that world opinion and UN will side with India.
I'm not denying that people from north-east face discrimination of some kind. But, you must realize that many Indians face discrimination in other parts of India (think of the anti-Bihari riots in Mumbai). The fight against discrimination has to come through democratic means - courts, laws and economic growth.